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TRANSLATION OF QURAN
BY DR. QAMAR ZAMAN
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آیات
سورۃ
نمبر
1-7 الفَاتِحَة -1
1-286 البَقَرَة -2
1-200 آل عِمرَان -3
1-176 النِّسَاء -4
1-120 المَائدة -5
1-165 الاٴنعَام -6
1-206 الاٴعرَاف -7
1-75 الاٴنفَال -8
1-129 التّوبَة -9
1-109 یُونس -10
1-123 هُود -11
1-111 یُوسُف -12
1-43 الرّعد -13
1-52 إبراهیم -14
1-99 الحِجر -15
1-128 النّحل -16
1-111 بنیٓ اسرآئیل / الإسرَاء -17
1-110 الکهف -18
1-98 مَریَم -19
1-135 طٰه -20
1-112 الاٴنبیَاء -21
1-78 الحَجّ -22
1-118 المؤمنون -23
1-64 النُّور -24
1-77 الفُرقان -25
1-227 الشُّعَرَاء -26
1-93 النَّمل -27
1-88 القَصَص -28
1-69 العَنکبوت -29
1-60 الرُّوم -30
1-34 لقمَان -31
1-30 السَّجدَة -32
1-73 الاٴحزَاب -33
1-54 سَبَإ -34
1-45 فَاطِر -35
1-83 یسٓ -36
1-182 الصَّافات -37
1-88 صٓ -38
1-75 الزُّمَر -39
1-85 المؤمن / غَافر -40
1-54 حٰمٓ السجدة / فُصّلَت -41
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Does physical death make the man extinct OR does life enter into immortal stage viz. HEREAFTER? Can “Hayaat-ul-Aakhirah” be scientifically proved?
Add Your Comments  Question by: AURANGZAIB On 26 May 2011
Comments by: bqayyum On 26 May 2011Report Abuse
Dear sir  
We cannot prove scientifically the reality of 'Hayaat ul Aakhirah' but it has always been the integral part of religions in the world. Even the ADEEN as envisaged by modern and liberal Islamic intellectuals and thinkers also did not deny the Hayaat ul Aakhirah.  
As far as the scientific proof is concerned, you cannot prove many other things. Can you prove the existence of Allah, or the coming of Prophets, or even the extent of this universe, or the hypothesis about the birth of this universe.  
Bakhtiar Qayyum

Comments by: bilal_khan5181 On 26 May 2011Report Abuse
Dear Aurangzaib is there life after death?And does Quran talk about life after death?If you do not mind give me the answer in YES or No.Please do not mind.I request all the members who want to give answer that give the answer in YES or No.Do not go in details.Please,Thanks you and jazakallah

Comments by: Dr. Qamar Zaman On 27 May 2011
Dear Members,  
This topic has become very popular amongst the members. I will take the responsibility to translate any verse presented by any member for or against the concept on arabic grammar basis, then we will try to understand the application of the verse in reference to context and finally every member will be free to give his openion.  
 
But before we start let me request the members that we are not going to accept personal comments which might lead to insult of any member. We are here to understand and not to insult .

Comments by: bqayyum On 27 May 2011Report Abuse
This is an excellent proposal by respected Dr Qamar. We should now wait for the translation of the concerned verses according to Arabic grammar before making up final opinion about "Hayaat-ul-Aakhirah"  
 
bqayyum

Comments by: Adnan Muhammad Khan On 27 May 2011
Brother Bilal Khan: i always treat quran as a reminder which does not bear any unrealistic and ill-logical issue. i have myself, several times, gone through various pages of Quran having concept of "life after death" but it always pricks me to accept this concept/belief...  
in a nut shell, i would dear say "NO" .........*****.................*****...........  

Comments by: aurangzaib On 27 May 2011Report Abuse
If "Hayaat-ul-Aakhira" is proved through Science, would that lead us to interprete Quran in the light of scientific proofs? Would scientific proof be an ultimate guide to interprete this theory in the right direction?  
If so, I can give it a try and produce scientific proofs to substantiate "Life after Death".  
 
If goes without saying that Quranic interpretations cannot and should not go against scientific facts.  
 
Dear Bilal Khan,  
 
Reply in Yes and No would not serve the purpose. The purpose is to get the theory recognized and accepted by audiences. And that can only be done through solid proofs from Science. If Science proves it, Quranic interpretations can be correspondingly changed because threre is ample space in grammar and root meanings to interprete Quran in many ways, depending upon your convictions as well as upon available proofs.

Comments by: Anwer Suri On 27 May 2011Report Abuse
AOA Dr. Qamar Sahib,  
Please translate of 91:7-10.  
Also kindly explain the words 'aflaḥa' & 'khāba'. From all translations which I saw I could understand that the success and failure is in both life and after death. But I had many misunderstandings so may be it is another one.  
Wassalam

Comments by: bqayyum On 27 May 2011Report Abuse
My Dear Bro Aurangzeb  
It is the strangest concept about Quran I have ever come across when you said  
"Quranic interpretations can be correspondingly changed because threre is ample space in grammar and root meanings to interprete Quran in many ways, depending upon your convictions as well as upon available proofs."  
This means Quranic text does not have any fixed meaning and they will be changed and can be changed from time to time according to the convictions and available proofs.  
It also means that all interpretations derived by different scholars should be taken as correct because they were made according to the conviction of that scholar and the proofs available at that time.  
 
bqayyum  

Comments by: bilal_khan5181 On 27 May 2011Report Abuse
Dear brother Adnan Muhammad Khan,This concept is also very strange to accept for me....

Comments by: Dr. Qamar Zaman On 27 May 2011
dear anwar bhai ,  
verses 7-10 of sura 91 should not bestudied in isolation .The whole sura is to be studied .however let me put the translation of the verses  
وَنَفْسٍ وَمَا سَوَّاهَا (٧). witness is the person (soul) and the perfection given to it;  
َأَلْهَمَهَا فُجُورَهَا وَتَقْوَاهَا (٨). and its Enlightenment As to its wrong and its right;-  
قَدْ أَفْلَحَ مَنْ زَكَّاهَا (٩). indeed He succeeds who purifies his ownself  
وَقَدْ خَابَ مَنْ دَسَّاهَا (١٠). and indeed He fails who corrupts his ownself  
The above translation does neither negatesn or accepts the concept of (یوم الآخرہ )

Comments by: Anwer Suri On 27 May 2011Report Abuse
Thank you Dr Sahib for quick response. It is not my intention to engage you in some debate but just clarifying my point of view. I may be incorrect but why I thought these verses point to the life after death is as follows,  
1. Choosing right or wrong using our conscience. This is a continuous process throughout our life.  
2. These verses have promise that if one will choose right he will succeed and if he chooses wrong he will fails.  
3. If someone has a situation that if he stands for the truth he will die but if he doesn’t then he will live. Following his conscience he chooses to stand for the truth and he dies. How he will see his success? Or was it the wrong choice?  
4. If he would have chosen not to stand for the truth and then he would be living and the oppressor may have rewarded him. So is he failed or successful?  
 
So in my view, somone who lives his whole life choosing the right he keeps his conscience alive and deserve to live with rigtheous in the hereafter.  
Wassalam

Comments by: Nargis On 27 May 2011Report Abuse
So in my view, somone who lives his whole life choosing the right he keeps his conscience alive and deserve to live with rigtheous in the hereafter. Anwar Suri  
 
As you said yourself, thats YOUR VIEW,,,,and people have different VIEWS...

Comments by: pervez On 27 May 2011Report Abuse
Dear friend bqayyum,  
 
Your post has prompted me to write, where as I didn't want to give my further inputs here because I  
feel enough is enough , I have already expressed myself on this subject adequately. I am surprised  
how a person of your caliber whom I know personally, could object to brother Aurangzeb's post. I totally  
agree with him.  
 
"If Science proves it, Quranic interpretations can be correspondingly changed because threre is ample space in grammar and root meanings to interprete Quran in many ways, depending upon your convictions as well as upon available proofs". By Aurangzeb  
 
Yes, he is perfectly right. Had the meanings been fixed, there would not have been differences between  
Quranists applying the same formula. It is just not possible to fix the meanings of divine book or for that  
matter any book of literature. People will understand according to their personalities. Don't you know that .  
Akel-i-saleem" be tu chahiay. I can give so many examples and prove it here, but it will be of no use on this  
forum where few people are fond of giving sarcastic remarks to prove their point of view. You can find such  
demonstration on the forum now. I will make you understand in private talk with you.  
 
DEAR BROTHER AURANGZEB , I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU.  
 
JAZAKULLAH

Comments by: Nargis On 27 May 2011Report Abuse
"Aqale saleem bhi to chahie",, `? what is it and who have it?

Comments by: Nargis On 27 May 2011Report Abuse
"If Science proves it, Quranic interpretations can be correspondingly changed because threre is ample space in grammar and root meanings to interprete Quran in many ways, depending upon your convictions as well as upon available proofs". By Aurangzeb  
 
does it mean that the Quraniq message depends on science?

Comments by: Zubair On 27 May 2011
Dear Sister Nargis,  
 
I agree with Brother Aurangzaib and Pervez. We cannot go back in time and interpret Quran through the minds of illiterate or half literate Bedouins of Arabia. Doing so will imply that the Quran was intended for only one generation of Arabs, not the whole humanity. If Quran is for our times as well, then we must study and understand it using our current knowledge.  
 
Nargis: Does it mean that the Quraniq message depends on science?  
 
Zubair: Yes, of course. Quranic Message depends on knowledge and knowledge is science. Would you like us study the message of the Quran with our brains void of any knowledge? That is what our Mulvi and Mullah have been doing for centuries. Does their understanding of the message of the Quran make any sense to you?

Comments by: Saad Haider On 28 May 2011Report Abuse
if JINN, bhooot,,, roh etc. are proved by science/knowledge, Respected Aurangzaib/Zubair........ then the whole philosiphy of Dr. Sb and this website might have to change.  
we are alive. Quran is for living human, that is enough. we should need to waste our time while discussing such topic which does not relate to your LIFE.  
"dunya dekh jis me tu leta hai saans"  
"barzakh na dekh jo tu ne kahaaniyon me suni ho"

Comments by: Junaid On 28 May 2011Report Abuse
Salaam;  
 
Sister Nargis, Brother Zubair, Please allow me to share my thoughts in reply to your comments!  
 
According to what I have understood so far, Quran talks about permanent values. When we say permanent values, it means they are uniformly applicable to all eras and all times. Regardless of how advanced or how backward a nation is, these values can be understood properly.  
 
In fact I don't consider myself knowledgeable enough to comment on Quran. However, with my meager knowledge, I can surely say this that Quran is not a book of science, therefore the Quranic values are not dependent on scientific knowledge, hence needs not to be proven scientifically.  
 
In order to comprehend Quran, we just need willingness, sincerity and a clear state of mind. If a person has all three of these qualities, he will be able to understand these Quranic values, whether he is an Arab Bedouin of 6TH century or a scientist of 22ND century.  
 
More knowledge in terms of science, economics and other fields is definitely a plus point though, coz up to date knowledge in specific fields does help people to identify core issues, find solutions to the problems and implement the Quranic system in their respective eras.  
 
Conclusion (as per my understanding): Science is not required to comprehend, rather it's required to implement.

Comments by: Nargis2 On 28 May 2011Report Abuse
shouldnt the Quran be revealed when all the science is revealed, whats the purpose of the Quran when its for no use in itself?  
 
The quraniq message DEPENDS on science, and science depends on humans ,,,so the Quran contain a message about hot stuff humans discovered later or havnt yet discovered?  
 
The Quran is talking about "hidden" science, how did the prophet know about it?  
 
The prophets told their people, heyyy, there is a life after death but we will write about it in a way so you dont understand it, but few hundreds thousands years later someone will deffffinately come and prove it for yaah??????  
 
And people still dont understand why we have shia,sunni,perwezi, shabbiri, whabi etc,, who ALL think they are right, but will never know the truth,,,after all, the message changes all the time...Dear allama manmo, hope im not being " sarcastic" hahahaha. no1 can blame each other, because they are all right in their belief,their understanding, and the Quran itself is nothing,because according to you, manmo, the message is designed by the personalities....  
 
 
 
If science will prove life after death (hallelujaa) after 10 years( 2021), then these ayas had no meaning for anyone 300 years ago...  
 
sometimes history is important to understand the Quran, sometimes science(which is yet not discovered,,i mean all of it),,  
 
What is the purpose of the book? what an incompetent, disabled book with several defective disabilities, or is just a victim of idolwirshippers ?First, people shape history,( and leaving no trace or evidence of having existed), then you have people in the future to come and discover the science and thus shape the future ... In the midst of it all...we have our beloved prophets  
 
 
 
Who came with a book they want people to follow, but it does not contain the necessary explanatory information because, guess what ? people who will explain its message is not born yet , they will come after many many years  
 
Beech wale time main, we just have to wait and gain weight  
 
 
 

Comments by: Mubashir Syed On 28 May 2011Report Abuse
Dear Nargis, issue is not whether it contains scientific knowledge or not. I think these questions might not arise in first palace if we are clear with revelation of Quran concept.  
 
If traditional concept of communication form God directly to Prophet is considered then no matter what logical and rational questions you ask it would make no difference to those who think on these lines. And anyone who tries to convey against it would be considered a kiddo with very little knowledge.  
 
Note : Please dont wait go to gym and keep fit, next generation might need you.... :)  
-----------------------------------------  
Dear Saad Haider good question, traditional people might have got proof and evidence of bhoot and jinn.  
 
And i agree with you when you said  
 
"dunya dekh jis me tu leta hai saans"  
"barzakh na dekh jo tu ne kahaaniyon me suni ho" ( Thanks for sharing this couplet )  
 
Thanks,  
Mubashir Syed.  

Comments by: Nargis On 28 May 2011Report Abuse
 
 
If traditional concept of communication form God directly to Prophet is considered then no matter what logical and rational questions you ask it would make no difference to those who think on these lines. Mubashir  
 
 
agree  
 
 
(("dunya dekh jis me tu leta hai saans"  
"barzakh na dekh jo tu ne kahaaniyon me suni ho"))  
 
Me too like this :D  
 
Mubashir tum khud ho ge unfit fite muh argggg, oops dr uncle said no insult so i take it back (khi-khi-khi)  
 
 

Comments by: SS On 28 May 2011Report Abuse
One cannot always use science to prove Quranic concepts. Sometime metaphysics is also used to understand the Quranic concepts. This is where Allama Iqbal uses the concept of Ishq.  
For example we cannot use scientific explanation to prove Wahi or how Allah communicated with Prophet.or the hereafter.  
But if the Aastana team claims that Prophets are ordinary people (having extraordinary vision) and they do not get the Wahi directly from an external source, then there remains no authenticity of the book and doubts are created for its not being from the creator.  
Secondly if its meanings are not fixed, it becomes a great joke. At a time in history the book proved that there is a hereafter but then after more knowledge comes in (in the 21 century) the same book stops giving any indication about the hereafter because now the Arabic grammar get invented and Arabic words are given new meanings, which were perhaps not intended by the giver of the book.  
Secondly, when some concept given in the book is proved wrong by science,( for example the cousins marriage) the same concept will automatically change meaning and will be interpreted differently from now on because we have placed ample space while devising the grammar. Still some concepts of Quran maintain the older meanings for example the fundamental truths like justice, love , peace, etc/  
Why can't we also change the meaning of these concepts because we have control on the grammar.  
 
and so on ..................................  
 
Shariq  

Comments by: Nargis On 28 May 2011Report Abuse
now the Arabic grammar get invented and Arabic words are given new meanings, which were perhaps not intended by the giver of the book. SS  
 
oh ? Best jo,,,errm, comment of the year  
 
Does it mean that Arabic grammar didn’t exist at the time of other scholars, like Sir Syed Ahmed and Allama Parwez were translating the Quran?? Or are you saying that Allama Parwez and Sir Syed’s translations are grammatically incorrect?  
 
 
lakhoulwalaqoat, yeh sun-ne se pehle main mar ke zinda kio nahi ho gaye,  
 
 
 
ahaa i get it, in older times there was no need for arabic grammar, and the book is not written according to the languege rules, it took some words from here and some from there and made a khichri of nouns,adjectives and verbs,,,etc etc  
 
So we dont know what the author is trying to say, either he didnt know grammar rules, or he did,,what he meant to convey is a mystery....did he mean HE when she wrote SHe? Did he mean them wwhen he wrote WE? did he mean HIM when he wrote THEY? we dont know, no grammar no rules,,,,or we cant get its meaning from lughat ul quran by allama parwez, or from the stolen plagiarized material of Dr Shabbir, or ol the other guys in the club, yusuf ali, mohsin ali, shakir etc etc etc. they KNOW what the author were trying to say because they translated the Quran when grammar rules didnt exist...  
 
Still, how did they know what the author meant to say when its all a khichri?

Comments by: momin On 28 May 2011Report Abuse
Dear baity Nargis,  
 
You wrote,  
 
",because according to you, manmo, the message is designed by the personalities.... " (by Nargis)  
You addressed me and here I am,  
 
Jab bolao gai chala anoon ga  
mai gia waket naahe k phir aa na sakoon.  
 
Don't worry , my relationship with you is unconditional. I always respect women. You are welcome to be sarcastic.  
That was certainly not for you. Frankly speaking, I wrote much on this forum because of your beautiful questions.  
A verse exclusively for you,  
 
NALA HAI BULBOOLAY SHORIDA TERA KHAM ABHI.  
 
APNAY SEENAY ABHI AOR ZARA THAM ABHI.  
 
I intend to be brief today, think over these points.  
 
1. Wahi is extraordinary source of knowledge. It is from Allah who exists objectively. No one can understand  
this phenomena except for the Prophet himself. All explanations of Wahi by Quranists are mere speculations.  
It is not a human effort. This is the importance of the book.  
 
2. Meanings of the book must have been fixed from the source. Personalities understand according to  
their perception and intellectual capacities. Which vary as you observe. It is very obvious. It doesn't mean  
every thing mentioned in Quran can not be understood by everyone but at places where metaphysical concepts  
are discussed and are explained using metaphor are perceived differantly. Such ayats have been interpreted  
differently by applying same formula by Quranists themselves. All claim to be expert of Arabic language. Brother  
Aurangzeb and brother Zubair have different understanding than brother Doctor Qamer right on this very forum.  
This is where personalities matter. Similarly, I can give examples of so many Quranists highlighting their gross  
differences in perception.  
 
3. I suggest that you should study a law book. Than see how it's meanings are fixed by the author himself.  
This book has not been written like law book to fix its meanings. In any book of law every term used is  
defined. its meanings are fixed by the book itself.  
 
4. All aspects of life are scientific knowledge. Quran covers all necessary aspects of life, to provide guidance  
in the field of social sciences , economics and metaphysics where necessary.  

Comments by: SS On 28 May 2011Report Abuse
Miss Nargis  
I think you should have studied something about languages before commenting on my assertions. No language of the world developed on the grammatic rules. Language comes first and then the rules of its grammar are developed. Still there are hundreds of languages of the world which are yet not brought into the written form and no grammar has yet been developed but still those languages are spoken correctly and conveys the minutest human emotions. Saraiki, Pothawari, Balti, Bakhshi are just few examples from Pakistani soil. There are hundreds of such languages spoken in Africa and Latin America, which are not yet developed to be transcripted.  
Similarly, Arabic was spoken in Arab world in the ancient time but its grammar was developed much later. When grammar and dictionaries were developed, meanings of words were also changed or ample space was managed in the root meanings of different words so that the Quranic text could be interpreted in completely contradictory meanings.  
An example of the contradictions is the topic under discussion -- Hayat-ul-Aakhirah was interpreted from the Quran by Scholars, who certainly had command over Arabic language (Allama Pervez, Abu Kalam Azad, etc) while others  
denied the concept  
 
Shariq  

Comments by: momin On 29 May 2011Report Abuse
 
Dear SS,  
 
Your post is thought provoking.

Comments by: SS On 29 May 2011Report Abuse
The Quran is also considered to be the LAW giving book for Muslims.Law books have to give a specific meaning to each word used therein otherwise one judge could acquit an accused on charges which another judge could use to convict an accused; resulting in chaos instead of creating harmony in society.  
Same happened with Quran; it was sent by Allah to bring peace, harmony, happiness, contentedness among human beings but it had become the bane of contention and misery for the Muslims what to talk about the whole humanity.  
To my understanding, one reason for this dichotomy is the completely contradictory meanings interpreted from the Quranic text by different people at different times.  
While interpreting ordinary law book, the application of similar law in similar situations in the past are taken into consideration to arrive at a judgement. It means, that history is used to do away with contradictory view points and not grammar.  
so while interpreting Quran, I think historic facts should be used more significantly than grammar.  
 
Shariq  
 

Comments by: Zubair On 29 May 2011
Wasalaam Brother Junaid,  
 
I hope you did not mean Quran is not a book of Knowledge.  
 
Science Definition  
 
The word science comes from the Latin "scientia," meaning knowledge.  

Comments by: Zubair On 29 May 2011
Dear Saad Haider / Mubashir,  
 
We are not talking about any myths. And we are not mere animals that eat, sleep and die. We are human with higher level of consciousness.  
 
Brother Aurangzaib posted a valid question. He is not alone in his quest to find an answer. Many great minds in the West have been doing the same. Please visit the following website and read the book “Afterlife Evidence”.  
 
“On this site you will get to know the findings of many of highly intelligent scientists, empiricists and other professionals who systematically investigated the afterlife and psychic phenomena over more than a century. AND you will get to know with absolute certainty that everyone survives death. The afterlife is inevitable and has huge consequences.”  
 
http://www.victorzammit.com/  
 
http://www.victorzammit.com/FAQs/index.html  
 
Also, Brother Mubashir should study Electromagnetic Spectrum. This may offer a clue how Quran might have been revealed to Prophet Muhammad.  
 
Airwaves Up for Grabs  
How much free space is left in the broadcast spectrum?  
http://www.slate.com/id/2187502/  
 
Electromagnetic Spectrum  
http://www.rhsc.ca/spectrum.html  
 
Radio Waves: Microwaves: Infra Red: Visible Light: Ultra Violet: X Rays: Gamma Rays  
http://www.krysstal.com/spectrum.html  
 
The Electromagnetic Spectrum  
http://astronomyonline.org/Science/ElectromagneticSpectrum.asp  

Comments by: aurangzaib On 29 May 2011Report Abuse
Dear Participants of this important discussion,  
 
I was firstly going to respond to dear brother Bqayyum’s objections against the linking up of Quranic explanations with Scientific facts, but the thread expanded with such a rapid pace that I preferred to remain a passive reader for a while. This patience served me well as Brother Pervaiz bore the burden of response on my behalf and substantiated my proposal most emphatically. Then Brother Zubair followed suite.  
 
Although participation of many people and their spontaneous responses do serve the purpose of expanding the discussion by bringing into focus all angles of the topic, BUT, as we usually notice, the essence of the original question is usually left behind and ignored in the aftermath of a shower of subsequent questions.  
 
I am sorry, I feel I should have been more specific when I wrote:-  
 
“If Science proves it, Quranic interpretations can be correspondingly changed because there is ample space in grammar and root meanings to interpret Quran in many ways, depending upon your convictions as well as upon available proofs.”  
 
Let us be more clear on this particular point: -  
 
“There is hardly a difference of opinion on the Code of Ethics and Moral Values given in Quran. There however exists a substantial variety of opinions about the “metaphysical/spiritual aspects” of Quranic narrations. One of these “metaphysical/spiritual aspects” is the CONTINUITY OF LIFE after death (al-hayaat al-aakhirah). Modern trend at Aastana is to look at these aspects of Quran from a purely materialistic point of view. Some of us do not agree with this line of thinking and wish to prove this metaphysical aspect, which belongs to a higher conscious stage of man, from pure Science. If it is proved from Science, could it become a guideline to interpret Quran in the right direction so as Quran and Science could stand side by side on this issue? And in this way a consensus may be arrived at?”  
 
I expect this is the true essence of the question. It may also squeeze the undue expansion of the topic and enable us to concentrate on the most essential point.  
 
Brother BQayyum,  
 
It is only a sincere effort on my part to propose and determine a mutually agreed upon criterion on which to judge the accuracy and perfection of relevant interpretations. I think to arrive at a consensus, Science is the most capable and widely acceptable yardstick. Once all of us agree on it, only then I can undertake the project of offering scientific facts in favor of Continuity of Human Life. Without a criterion, and in view of a wide and conflicting scope of thought patterns, I think our brainstorming may remain inconclusive. The hardworking may go waste!  
 
Respected Dr. QZ,  
 
We are fortunate that you are in on this topic with us. Your excellent interpretation of 91/7-10, in reply to Anwar Bhai, boldly highlights the NAFS, the unit of LIFE, which is the self-conscious stage of a Human. Once this discussion permits, the question of travel into Aakhira on the basis of PURIFICATION of SELF; or destruction on the basis of CORRUPTION of SELF, could be satisfactorily explained.  
 
Brother Anwar Suri,  
 
You wrote:  
 
“So in my view, somone who lives his whole life choosing the right he keeps his conscience alive and deserve to live with rigtheous in the hereafter.”  
 
This is precisely what is MY VIEW too. Science proves it.  
 
Brother Pervaiz,  
 
Bravo for encouragement. I see no opposition yet to my thesis “Universe and the Absolute Consciousness”, so I perhaps can assume that I have proved the existence of God, the Creator through Science, as well as the PURPOSE, the IDEAL, the URGE, the PLAN of the Creator behind every Creation. Given a chance, hope to prove the HEREAFTER too through Scientific facts.  
 
And yes, Quran, as you had questioned earlier, just cannot miss the mention of Hereafter. On the contrary, it mentions this topic time and again as it is preparing you for the Hereafter.  
 
You know Brother, billions of people have died doing virtuous deeds; and they died in misery, deprivation, slavery and after a wretched life. If there is no hereafter for them, there is no God. God’s Book is a pack of lies because it gave them false promises of rewards in the Hereafter. See please:  
 
Verse No.99/7  
 
٧﴾ وَمَن يَعْمَلْ مِثْقَالَ ذَرَّةٍ شَرًّا يَرَهُ فَمَن يَعْمَلْ مِثْقَالَ ذَرَّةٍ خَيْرًا يَرَهُ ﴿  
“Whoever does an atom’s weight of good will see it, and whoever does an atom’s weight of evil will see it.”  
 
And there are other verses too: 21/47, 31/16 and particularly, 4/40.  
 
Brother Zubair,  
 
I’m all thanks for taking all the burden of responses. Your answers are brilliant.  
 
If we agree on Scientific Facts as Criterion for proving the METAPHYSICS of Quran, then it can be proved that Quranic Hayaat al-Aakhira can be easily interpreted into a reality beyond material parameters. Man is not Matter. His physical body is not his LIFE.  
 
Regards to all.  

Comments by: pervez On 29 May 2011Report Abuse
My dear brother Aurangzeb,  
 
Your thesis is a ray of light at the end of the tunnel. I read your thesis and every time felt,  
 
Daikhna tukreer ki lazat k jo oos nai kaha  
mai nai yai samja k goya yai b mairay dil mai hai.  
 
 
 
Brother whenever, I thought individual life ending at death, I always became gloomy and sad ,wondering, while  
looking at sky and asking stars, as to why I was born.I couldn't accept worthlessness of mortal life. I with my friend  
Bakhtiar( a close associate of Allama Pervez. ) used to go for long walks in Islamabad 20 years back,discussing  
the same topic from many angles until we used to reach a graveyard near Islamabad open university. We used to  
sit there asking the dead in the grave as to what was their end.  
 
We discussed religiously , philosophically from all angles to prove and disprove. Read many books like , mazi  
kay mazar, Sometimes, returned sad and than we started conceiveing the ideas to prove. Whenever, we proved  
we became jubilant happy and blissful. We decided to find reasons to prove than to disprove. I often say,  
 
Jiss sai chamman afsoorda ho wo bad-i-saba kia.  
 
No doubt belief in Allah and life hereafter gives life to your heart.  
 
Dil jiss sai zinda hain wo tammana tumhe tu ho.  
 
Why not, why shouldn't I praise you for your hard work in this important aspect of life. I don't hate anyone,  
everyone has right to have his own opinions but am not impressed by scholars proving that their is no life  
after death. That is out of question. If I get convinced that Quran denies or doesn't talk about life after death,  
It will loose its all charm for me. I will look else where. But my study confirms that the whole Quranic philosophy  
is based on belief in life after death. My heartiest congratulations. Let people say , I am Mullah , Pervezi or  
for that matter anything but I am not a sheep, it is what they say from their mouth. I don't care.

Comments by: abdullahbashoeb On 29 May 2011
Respected Sisters and Brother And Most Respecte Br Qamar Zamam and Br Aurang Zaib.  
 
here some of exceprts from one of the Quranic student who have presented which I am posting that is belongs to evolution theory. it may be worng but for the discussion purpose it will help us, and may be Respected Brother Qamar Zaman will present correct meanings of these verses.  
 
It is imperative to keep in mind that the last revelation of Allah materialized over 1400 years ago, in a society, which was very much simpler, or primitive, as compared to the modern times. It was agricultural based, and the best means of transportation were horses and camels. The highest-flying species were the Aves. All metaphors, similes, and allegories originated from their life style for easy correlation and comprehension. Sophisticated scientific laws and theories are beyond its scope and concern.  
 
Still, it drops pearls of wisdom here and there for the human guidance and development. For instance, the Qur’an describes the origin of humans, mostly as a passing anecdote, or to prove a point with reference to the context, in various verses, utilizing unique eloquence and linguistic expression in each case  
 
In the verse 29: 20, the Qur’an impresses upon humans, to travel all over the globe from town to town, city to city, country to country to study the fossils and relics of the past. Only then, humans will find out how life first emerged on this planet. In other words, this will require lots of hard work and continued research  
 
قُلْ سِيرُوا فِي الْأَرْضِ فَانظُرُوا كَيْفَ بَدَأَ الْخَلْقَ ثُمَّ اللَّهُ  
يُنشِئُ النَّشْأَةَ الْآخِرَةَ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلَى  
كُلِّ شَيْءٍ قَدِيرٌ  
 
‘Mohammad, your opponents object to the origin of the very first batch of humans [both men and women] through evolution, which We have mentioned in various chapters of the Qur’an.  
Go ahead, and tell them, ‘To roam all over the earth in search of the evidence, how Allah initiated life on this planet from the combination of simple inanimate elements! Then how, according to His Law of Nourishment, evolution got a foothold over here, and life gradually passed through various stages, to appear in its perfect form. Certainly, it all happened according to Our magnificent, and immutable principles of life propagation and sustenance. We have absolute control over all entities existing within this universe and beyond, through Our binding and eternal code.’  
 
Through the verse, 29:19, the Qur’an again stresses upon the intellectuals of the world for giving a serious thought to the origin of life, and how His Law of Evolution set its course on this beautiful blue marble  
 
أَوَلَمْ يَرَوْا كَيْفَ يُبْدِئُ اللَّهُ الْخَلْقَ ثُمَّ يُعِيدُهُ إِنَّ ذَلِكَ  
عَلَى اللَّهِ يَسِيرٌ  
 
‘Mohammad, make an open declaration to your opponents; sovereignty belongs to Allah’s encompassing, effective, and authoritative laws, within the entire cosmos and beyond! In addition, if they contemplate about Allah’s Law of Creation, they shall soon appreciate how the evolution of life was initiated in the first place, and how it passed through various phases of development, to reach its current temporary abode. Also, tell them, it was very easy for Him to set the evolution rolling the very first time, because it all happened in accordance with His immutable Law of Evolution!’  
 
In view of the above verse, the Qur’an obviously emphasizes, the humans should not have blind faith in Allah’s Law of Creation. They should go out and find irrefutable evidence for accepting or rejecting it. This directive came at a time, when paleontology, anthropology, and other related disciplines, tracking the evolution of Homo sapiens, were not even heard off. It all began to materialize with the beginning of 20th century, when scientific community developed understanding and invented the required tools for investigating that specific field of study.  
 
However, before taking up the evolution of humans, it seems logical to present basic tenets of the Qur’an about the beginning of the universe; how it came into existence from almost nothing, along with the formation of earth, which currently seems to be the only abode of intelligent life, within the entire cosmos  
 
The verse 21:30 of the Qur’an describes that in the beginning, prior to the existence of visible matter, a minute single dense ball of gases existed, which exploded to provide raw material for what exists now.  
 
أَوَلَمْ يَرَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا أَنَّ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ كَانَتَا  
رَتْقًا فَفَتَقْنَاهُمَا وَجَعَلْنَا مِنَ الْمَاءِ كُلَّ شَيْءٍ حَيٍّ أَفَلَا  
يُؤْمِنُونَ  
 
‘O Mohammad! The people, who intend to conceal or deny the factual laws of the Qur’an, and believe in the myth that a spiritual force, a deity, some gods created this cosmos or it came into existence, just by chance. Why don’t they think about this reality that in the beginning, this universe was in the form of a single entity, composed of extremely dense cloud of compressed gases, which We opened up, or blasted out.’  
 
The meanings of the terms Ratqan and Fafataqnaahuma of the above verse are the keys to understand the nature of the material that existed before the beginning of time. These also provide a clue to the form and shape of the original building blocks of the universe, which probably existed in the form of immensely compressed gases at that time.  
 
• The term Ratqan رَ تَقَ in practical terms means to sew up a tear in a fabric or to repair a rip in any material.  
 
• It also identifies vulva of a female, which in allegorical terms means that in the beginning, the dense smoke or gases were all clogged up and covered with an outer layer; wrapping up everything like the vulva of a woman hides her entire sex organ.  
 
• The adjective Ratqan رَ تٌقً qualifies a seamless restoration or a manufactured product without a joint, like a tube. This connotes that the primordial matter was closed up in an infinitesimal space, and was under intense pressure.  
 
• The noun Rataqun رِ تَا قٌ denotes a garment composed of two pieces of cloth sewed together at their borders. This is a metaphor, just to describe the state of the original matter, in a nonprofessional’s term, which was rather sewed up together very tightly.  
 
• The word Rutooqun رُ تُو قٌ is used for some kind of an ethereal cloud, which is beyond human perception. The Qur’an is trying to portray the state of matter, before the advent of time, in a common person’s language for easy comprehension. The fact remains, the ultra modern scientific community, with the most sophisticated equipment at its command, does not have a clue, what was it like just before the Big Bang.  
 
• The expression Sahab-ur- Raatuqun سَحَا بٌ رَ ا تِقٌ denotes the state of matter, in the form of totally coalesced or collapsed cloud. It is just a simile to project an abstract concept in words.  
 
The nomadic Bedouins, thousands of years before the birth of Mohammad, commonly made use of the word Rataqa for the buds of a desert plant, which had yet to bloom. The Qur’an is utilizing the commonly used word to tell the situation that existed just before the beginning of the universe, to the entire world.  
 
The second term Fafataqnaahuma also requires detailed analysis to understand the verse in the right context .  
 
• Fafataqnaahuma is an antonym of the above term Ratqan , and means to bust open, split apart, rent asunder, or violently explode something.  
 
• The expression Fataq-ul-kalaam فَتق ا لكَلأَ مَ means to edit, amend, and revise a written text to make it easily understandable, together with improving the linguistic standard of the script. In these terms, the purpose of the original blast was to fly off the building blocks of the universe in the right direction, in accordance with the grandiose blueprint of the universe, already lined up.  
 
• The phrase Fataq-ul- A’jeen فَتَقَ ا لعَجِينَ denotes, with the addition of a leavening agent, like yeast, the dough rises, which makes a cake or bread very fluffy. It is an allegorical representation of the exponential expansion of the universe, after the initial blast of the super compressed matter, which according to the language of the Qur’an followed a pre-determined or pre-ordained course.  
 
The Qur’an exhibits such beauty of narration in numerous verses, which are in fact, an epitome of linguistic excellence in each case. Every Bedouin, before the arrival of distorted expositions, which did nothing, except creating confusion and dissensions among the Muslims, had a fairly good idea about the creation of the cosmos.  
 
The world astronomers have a consensus; the universe is in existence since the Big Bang. That was the event, which initiated the fourth dimension, the Time. Since then, according to the most conservative, or perhaps most accurate estimates, 13.7 billion years have passed. In other words, the cosmos is now 13.7 years old.  
 
However, no one has any clue, what existed before that historical moment, called the ‘birthday’ of the universe. The Qur’an does provide a glimpse of the situation that existed before the biggest explosion of all time, in the verse 41:1 presented below:  
 
ثُمَّ اسْتَوَى إِلَى السَّمَاءِ وَهِيَ دُخَانٌ فَقَالَ لَهَا وَلِلْأَرْضِ  
اِئْتِيَا طَوْعًا أَوْ كَرْهًا قَالَتَا أَتَيْنَا طَائِعِينَ  
 
The verse given above, contains certain specific Arabic terms like Ustawa , Dukhaan دُ خَا ن , U’tya , Touan and Karhan ,which need to be understood thoroughly, before it is possible to present a logical and to the point exposition. Without this exercise of explaining in detail the correct meanings of the words used therein, it would be difficult to grasp the real connotation of the verse under reference.  
 
Ustawa  
 
The word ustawa has a myriad of corresponding terms in the Arabic language, such as equal, even, proper, composed, uniform, flat, plain, symmetrical, suitable mode, and justice. It also denotes extent, size, bulk, quantity, and amount by weight, or by linear measure, and in terms of capacity. In the verse under reference, the term Ustawa shows that the visible matter of the universe in the form of stars, planets, galaxies and everything else, were created according to His well-designed blueprint, with particular reference to size, quality, quantity, and esthetics.  
 
Dukan  
 
This term is usually used for dense smoke rising from hearth burning slightly wet firewood. It also defines white plumes of steam, or fog, which are very thick and opaque.  
 
Dakhnun دَ خِنٌ is a derivative of Dukhaan دُ خَا ن, which means dark and dingy place like a black hole. The most probable description, which emerges here is, that white thick gases were surrounded by utterly black area.  
 
A kind of grain or a variety of millet, or an infinitesimally small seed, which is cold and dry is called Dakhnoonدُ خٌنً . This reflects that before the Big Bang some granular form of gases existed, which formed the building blocks for the formation of the present universe.  
 
Atyya  
 
The word Atyya identifies some type of gases, particles [big and small] or dust, which coalesced together to shape the planet Earth. Here, with the specific reference to the universe it means, that before the Big Bang the gases, particles, and dust come together to form an intensely dense core, which exploded when the command was given, keeping the inherent characteristics intact.  
 
Toohin  
 
The term Touan signifies total submission on one’s own accord, or voluntary compliance with a given command.  
 
Ata- un- Nahal ا طا ع ا لنحل is a term usually used for the ripening of dates ready to be picked. The most probable indication, with reference to the universe, is that when the dense gaseous ‘soup’ or matter was ready for the first gargantuan blast, the order was given, which was carried out with utmost precision. This is what the process of Touan actually signifies.  
 
Karahan  
 
This term is a perfect antonym of Touan , and signifies utter hatred for a command given against the will or the wish of an animate or an inanimate entity. The basic physical properties of matter provide an excellent example of Karhan . It is very well known ‘like charges repel each other, and unlike charges attract each other.’ A very overwhelming situation exists in the nucleus of Uranium 235, where 92 positively charged protons, which in principle should repel each other, are sticking together due to the ultra strong nuclear binding energy. This is the finest manifestation of Karhan , as something is happening against the accepted and confirmed physical law.  
 
With the detailed explanation of the key terms of the verse, under reference offered above, it is now the time to present its most logical translation in consonance with the rules of the Arabic lexicon.  
 
‘Allah directed the building blocks and other essential elements to come together, following their inherent physical and chemical characteristics. This interaction opened ways for highest and lowest parts of the universe to come into being. Both positive and negative particles responded obediently. The reactions between these negatively and positively charged particles of gases took place immediately and submissively in order to produce excellent result. However, simultaneously the charged particles of gases [like hydrogen], that repel each other reacted together, unwillingly, under the abnormal set of circumstances. He then established His authority with the implementation of His intelligent design with the help of heat, gravity, rotation, and revolution, which created innumerable bodies of various shapes, sizes, and weights in the best possible way.’  
 
To be Continue.  
 
Abdullah Bashoeb  
 
 
 
 
 

Comments by: Nargis2 On 29 May 2011Report Abuse
SS  
 
You didn’t answer my question, did the Prophet meant to say HE when he wrote she? Did he mean to say them when he wrote US? Did he mean to say HIM when he wrote THEM? Did he mean weaker segment of society when he wrote Alnisa or did he mean women? And what grammar rule is new to understand this word?  
 
And could you please explain WHEN the grammar rules for WRITTEN Arabic were invented?  
 
Didn’t the prophet give us a Quran which is written according to grammar rules?  
When was the grammar rules invented?  
Was there any grammar rules invented when the first translator of the Quran tried to translate the Quran? Or when Allama Parwez translated the Quran?  
 
Please answer the questions and save us from the darkness
 
 
 
 
 

Comments by: Nargis On 29 May 2011Report Abuse
Aurungzeb:- “If Science proves it, Quraniq interpretations can be correspondingly changed because there is ample space in grammar and root meanings to interpret Quran in many ways, depending upon your convictions as well as upon available proofs.”  
 
Dear brother, what proofs did the prophet have when he gave us the Quran and explained it to humans? And what proofs did his community have when they understood what was being explained to them?  
 
You said:-  
 
If we agree on Scientific Facts as Criterion for proving the METAPHYSICS of Quran, then it can be proved that Quranic Hayaat al-Aakhira can be easily interpreted into a reality beyond material parameters. Aurungzeb  
 
How is it possible to prove the metaphysical, and how did the prophets do it at their time? Did they use science which is not yet discovered?  
 
IF THE QURAN CONTAIN MESSAGE WHICH IS TO BE DISCOVERED BY SCIENCE MUCH LATER, HOW IS IT FAIR TO THOSE WHO GOT THE MESSAGE BEFORE SCIENCE WAS DISCOVERED AND CONFIRMED THE MESSAGE? HOW IS IT FAIR THAT THEY HAD TO BLINDLY BELIEVE IN IT WHILE WE CAN ENJOY THE PROOF THROUGH SCIENCE DISCOVERED IN LATER TIMES?  
 
WHAT IS THE POINT OF ALLAH SAYING HE DONT CHANGE HIS SUNNAT KALIMAT, IF THOSE LIVING BEFORE SCIENCE IS COMING AND GIVE NEW MEANINGS TO THE MESSAGE ?  
 
 
 

Comments by: Nargis2 On 29 May 2011Report Abuse
Brother Zubair  
 
Thank you for telling us about science meaning knowledge, i thought you meant science as in experimental investigation of natural phenomena. I thought you meant science that is yet not discovered, or Knowledge about anything that is yet not discovered, is written in the Quran and its message cant be understood without these scientific discoveries. sorry about that.  
 
Or do you mean that science discovered later knowledge based on experiments and investigation, Knowledge, gained through experience (after the Quraniq was delivered),will give new meanings to the Quraniq message?  
 
Is that intended by the Prophet? Did he know what knowledge,science is to be discovered in 3012 ?  
 
 
 
 
 
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/science  
 
a. The observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena.  
b. Such activities restricted to a class of natural phenomena.  
c. Such activities applied to an object of inquiry or study.  
2. Methodological activity, discipline, or study: I've got packing a suitcase down to a science.  
3. An activity that appears to require study and method: the science of purchasing.  
4. Knowledge, especially that gained through experience.  
5. Science Christian Science.  
 
science (sns)  
The investigation of natural phenomena through observation, theoretical explanation, and experimentation, or the knowledge produced by such investigation. Science makes use of the scientific method, which includes the careful observation of natural phenomena, the formulation of a hypothesis, the conducting of one or more experiments to test the hypothesis, and the drawing of a conclusion that confirms or modifies the hypothesis.

Comments by: Nargis On 29 May 2011Report Abuse
A question to all of you  
 
How did the prophets, from S Noah to S Mohammed,,,all of them with the Divine message, PROVE life after death?

Comments by: Junaid On 29 May 2011Report Abuse
Salaam;  
 
Broher Zubair, you wrote;  
 
**(I hope you did not mean Quran is not a book of Knowledge.  
Science Definition:  
The word science comes from the Latin "scientia," meaning knowledge. ) by Zubair  
 
Dear Sir my apologies in advance for my inability to comprehend your statement. I think you have provided an incomplete definition of "Science". Sometimes these incomplete definitions create a lot of confusion (Specially when you are communicating with a person having low level of intellect, such as me).  
 
Please allow me to share the complete and proper definition of "Science".  
 
*Science (from Latin: scientia meaning "knowledge") is a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the world. An older and closely related meaning still in use today is that of Aristotle, for whom scientific knowledge was a body of reliable knowledge that can be logically and rationally explained.  
Since classical antiquity science as a type of knowledge was closely linked to philosophy. In the early modern era the two words, "science" and "philosophy", were sometimes used interchangeably in the English language.  
By the 17th century, "natural philosophy" (which is today called "natural science") had begun to be considered separately from "philosophy" in general. However, "science" continued to be used in a broad sense denoting reliable knowledge about a topic, in the same way it is still used in modern terms such as library science or political science.  
 
In modern use, science is "often treated as synonymous with ‘natural and physical science’, and thus restricted to those branches of study that relate to the phenomena of the material universe and their laws, sometimes with implied exclusion of pure mathematics. This is now the dominant sense in ordinary use. This narrower sense of "science" developed as a part of science became a distinct enterprise of defining "laws of nature", based on early examples such as Kepler's laws, Galileo's laws, and Newton's laws of motion. In this period it became more common to refer to natural philosophy as "natural science". Over the course of the 19th century, the word "science" became increasingly associated with the disciplined study of the natural world including physics, chemistry, geology and biology. This sometimes left the study of human thought and society in a linguistic limbo, which was resolved by classifying these areas of academic study as social science. Similarly, several other major areas of disciplined study and knowledge exist today under the general rubric of "science", such as formal science and applied science.  
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Now a a brief understanding regarding the core issues and what we are doing;  
 
With my meager knowledge, what I have understood so far is, that the core issues of humanity are greed and selfishness which is the real cause behind all the injustice, inequality, aggression, suppression and tyranny.  
Mankind had attained a lot of knowledge and has done a lot in the fields of Science and technology since last couple of centuries. We can also see some genuine evidences which shows that the so called "Muslims" gained a lot of knowledge in the field of "Science" during 9TH and 10TH centuries.  
But what then?  
What did they achieve and what have we achieved, even after gaining so much knowledge?  
What is the result of all this advancement in the field of Science and Technology?  
Those ancient Muslim Aalims and the modern Scientists like Einstein and Newton, all failed miserably to identify, understand and get rid of the basic problems. They all failed to liberate humanity from the hands of Suppression, Tyranny, Injustice and Inequality. They failed to defeat the elements of Greed and Selfishness!!!  
 
I don't claim to have a perfect understanding of Quran, but still I can categorically say that Quran speaks about the core issues of humanity and clearly identifies the main causes. Quran gives us the permanent values which enables us to feel deeply and identify the real causes behind injustice and inequality among mankind. It provides us a platform to start our struggle.  
 
Let me repeat what I have said earlier;  
We don't need Science to understand Quran, rather we need it to implement the Quranic Ideology in our respective eras.  
 
It is very unfortunate that we are doing nothing but making things more complicated for ourselves by concentrating on non-issues and ignoring the real issues. We have been assigned a mission to strive against tyranny, oppression, injustice, inequality and suppression and keep struggling generations after generations to bring around peace, harmony, justice and equality for mankind.  
 
Natural resources are meant for all human beings without any discrimination ...  
No human should bear the Load of another...  
No Human being should be empowered by another...  
No one should escape the punishment for a slightest misdeed...  
Everyone should get the reward for his/her efforts and no effort should go unrewarded...  
 
This is a system which needs to be implemented by us. Yes we "the mankind" will have to do it and Allah will not do it for us. Why can't we understand such a simple thing???  
 
Please note that when we talk about humanity, there is no room for "me" and "my". Man is nothing, but mankind is everything.  
In order to start the struggle, we will have to get rid of all these unnecessary complications we have created for ourselves.  
In order to bring a change we will definitely have to get ourselves free from these words "me", "my" and "mine".  
 
WE SHOULD DO WHAT WE HAVE BEEN ASKED TO DO AND LEAVE THE REST TO OUR RABB.

Comments by: Nargis2 On 29 May 2011Report Abuse
Dr Uncle Qamar Z, can you please explain these ayas , sura haj ayat 47, almaaruj ayat 4, ayat 17 : 52 , ayat 10 : 45 , ayat 23 : 113.  
 
(2:174) what does it mean by hiding natural law or sell them? What does it mean they will recieve punishment, where and in what way?  
 
Rules and commands to follow, are they meant in an islamiq state or in any state? Because when it say they will be punished or they will live in peace, that is meant for people IN AN ESTABLISHED ISLAMIQ SOCIETY, or is meant to people who live in any society?  
 
And did the Quran ever say, that those who are ( physically)dead will come back and recieve their punishment when islamiq socioeconomic system is established? Because i thought that the punishment or reward mentioned in 2:25 and 2:27 is for living alive zinda people in an islamiq state?

Comments by: momin On 29 May 2011Report Abuse
 
Dear baity Nargis,  
 
Your quetion,  
 
"A question to all of you  
 
How did the prophets, from S Noah to S Mohammed,,,all of them with the Divine message, PROVE life after death?"  
 
Simple answer to your question is, if they could prove the you wanted them to prove , why would they be required?  
 
 

Comments by: Nargis2 On 29 May 2011Report Abuse
so Manmo, the prophets couldnt prove it, people just had to BELIEVE in what they said, if they said it ?  
 
but we are going to prove it, through newley discovered sicence, and of corz, use the Quran..  
 
So the prophets that introduced us to the divine message, couldnt use or benefit from the message or explalin it fully, and their people couldnt understand and benefit from the Quran fully.... but other generations will  
 
right?

Comments by: Damon On 29 May 2011Report Abuse
(NARGIS2) - A question to all of you  
How did the prophets, from S Noah to S Mohammed,,,all of them with the Divine message, PROVE life after death?  
 
(DAMON) - The simple answer is they didn't prove it. Now the question to ask is WHY they didn't prove it? I believe it's because it is IMPOSSIBLE to prove it.  
 
Perhaps belief in the hereafter belongs in the category of الإيمن بالغيب  
 
As I have said a million times before, I believe (based on my understanding of certain ayaat) that once we die we RETURN/GO BACK to Allah. But NO ONE KNOWS what happens once we go back to Allah.  
 
It is this unhealthy obsession with the UNSEEN and UNPROVED hereafter that is preoccupying the people and keeping them from fighting for justice in the SEEN and PROVED present life in which we are suffering.  
 
Why can't people at this blog lay this "Here After" thing to rest and move on to much more important and relevant issues?  
 
As far as I'm concerned, there is really only ONE UNMISTAKABLE WAY of proving what happens to us once we die. So, if anyone here ever meets that person who was dead and buried for a year or two and has come back to this life to talk about his or her experiences, please send that person my way. I would love to talk to him.  
 
Fi'amanillah,  
Damon.  
 
 

Comments by: momin On 29 May 2011Report Abuse
Dear baity Nargis,  
 
Yes, not everything but certain things pertaining to metaphysical world had to be believed.  
I tend to agree partially with brother Damon's assertion's in this regard.  
 
You see human beings are in the process of evolving to a new specie, which might not require physical body for  
existence. On the one hand their physical body is common with animals and on the other hand their consciousness  
is in the realm of a different media all together.  
 
Prophets in my opinion are more evolved human beings and have different station of existence than ordinary humans.  
They can see through secrets of life with their own eyes. Study Sura Najam. What is "sidratul mantaha"? That is their  
station of existence.  
 
Now if baity Nargis , had you lived in the era of any Prophet and asked him to explain like explaining to two years old  
girl as to how an individual lives after death. What option he would be having to explain to you, except for coming  
down to your level of understanding and finding suitable words from your vocabulary to make you understand as much  
as possible. That is what prophets did. I think Prophets could see through secrets of nature which could not have been  
explained in human language because of short of vocabulary. But they did explain what was necessary and possible.  
 
It is wrong to say that greed and selfishness could be avoided by negation of self. No that would be blunder. Self  
denial is more harmful than denying God. Human beings suffered a lot in the hands of man made religions and  
magicians who exploited human desire to live for ever. Than came true Prophets who guided humanity to achieve  
life after death through correct path. They did not denied their desire but gave it a correct direction to achieve.  
They taught them that body grows by taking but your soul develops by giving. This revolutionary concept made them  
selfless not selfish. History is witness to this fact. It would become too lengthy , otherwise I could have given you  
examples.  
 
Baity, it is dangerous to teach human beings that Quran doesn't demand belief in life hereafter. It  
will have serious negative consequences. This is my firm opinion but I respect others opinion too.  
.  
 

Comments by: SS On 29 May 2011Report Abuse
My Dear Nargis  
I ignored the questions as I thought they were much below your caliber. If you still insist well here is my answer.  
 
A 'HE' knows what he is and a 'SHE' knows what she is. They do not need grammar to understand each other. Rather they don't even need a language to know each other. Even animals know the difference and distinction between he and she. Animals don't need to learn grammar to differentiate between a he and she.  
Similarly, the Prophet knew where he meant he and where he meant she and the people around also got it exactly as the prophet desired.  
 
I give you another example. Punjabi language does not have its own alphabet (or symbols or vowels) still it is written. In India Punjabi is written in Gormukhi script and in Pakistan it is written in Arabic script. But it still does not have any recognized grammar. Languages are developed irrespective of grammar. Grammar is developed much later. Same happened with Arabic language. This was my point.  
 
Perhaps to translate a language into another language a dictionary is more important than grammar. Allama Pervez has written an Arabic dictionary of Quranic terms (Lughaat-ul-Quran)  
 
You have also asked for proof of life hereafter and other Quranic assertions.  
My point of view is that one cannot prove everything on the bases of science; firstly all science is not yet discovered, secondly science deals only with material things and their properties, like mass, weight, electron pattern, etc. Science does not deal with metaphysical concepts. So to ask a scientific proof for non-tangible objects and ideas at this point is absurd. Can you prove dreams and thoughts and ideas in your brain. Can you prove how and why a body is suddenly declared dead, whereas the body still have all required parts and the required essential elements. Can you prove the existence of God, or the extent of the cosmos.  
 
Prophets did not need to prove their statements. They were believed to be true and all they said was taken as truth.  
When the Holy Prophet stood on hillock Safa to give His first Wahi and declare Himself Prophet of Allah, He asked people "Do you believe me" They answered "Yes". He said "If I tell you that there is enemy behind this hillock would you believe me" . They all said that they will believe Him because He had never spoken lie. Then the Prophet declared that He is the Prophet of Allah and He delivered His first Wahi. Nobody at that time asked for any scientific proof. They believed each word which He delivered because he was known as "Truthful"  
Shariq  

Comments by: Nargis On 29 May 2011Report Abuse
Ill try again, i dont think you understood my questions. With your caliber i understand its difficult for you to understand hahaha  
 
we try with this one  
 
Did he mean weaker segment of society when he wrote Alnisa or did he mean women? And what grammar rule is new to understand this word?  
 
And could you please explain WHEN the grammar rules for WRITTEN Arabic were invented?  
 
Didn’t the prophet give us a Quran which is written according to grammar rules?  
 
When was the grammar rules invented?  
 
Was there any grammar rules invented when the first translator of the Quran tried to translate the Quran? Or when Allama Parwez translated the Quran?  
 
you said: Science does not deal with metaphysical concepts  
 
So the metaphysical CONCEPT cant be proven? We have to belive in something that cant be proven? does it mean we have to believe in pagan hindu stories too?  
 
then you said: Prophets did not need to prove their statements. They were believed to be true and all they said was taken as truth.  
 
Aha, so they BELIEVED in what the prophet said, why did he ask them to use their senses and verify knowledge? Were they not believers already, i mean jews,chritsians,pagans etc,,,if its about belief, then who cares what we BELIEVE in?  
 
you said:- When the Holy Prophet stood on hillock Safa to give His first Wahi and declare Himself Prophet of Allah, He asked people "Do you believe me" They answered "Yes". He said "If I tell you that there is enemy behind this hillock would you believe me" . They all said that they will believe Him because He had never spoken lie. Then the Prophet declared that He is the Prophet of Allah and He delivered His first Wahi. Nobody at that time asked for any scientific proof. They believed each word which He delivered because he was known as "Truthful"  
 
what is this? where did you read this please share

Comments by: Zubair On 29 May 2011
Dear Brother Abdullah Bashoeb,  
 
We appreciate your precious and timely contribution. Hope all participants read your post with an open mind and reflect.  

Comments by: Zubair On 29 May 2011
Dear Brother Junaid,  
 
I used the most basic and simple definition of science in humor. Sorry, you missed it. I am aware of the detailed definition.  
 
I humbly disagree with you. The subject of “Afterlife” is not a non-issue. I am aware of the life to come. Hence, I am preparing for it. How? I do things that are right and benefit humanity and avoid anything that hurts any person or humanity. Imagine what the world would look like if everyone knew his/her actions in this world were going to have severe consequences in the life to come. Would not he/she think twice before doing anything that harms other individuals or the society? Once everyone begins contributing to the betterment of the society, the earth would become a paradise. Am I right?  
 
As you mentioned all the problems of the world resulted from man’s own bad behaviors or actions. People are greedy and selfish. They care only for themselves and ignore the needs of others. These people will not get rid of their greed and selfishness until they become aware of the fact that these negative attributes are going to destroy their own “Self”. They will fail to rise up to the next higher level of “Consciousness”. Ultimately, they will be losers, as they bargained the joy of eternal life for the small ill-gotten gains of this short life.  
 
Let me clarify another misunderstanding. In one of my previous posts I said, “I am not responsible for the creation of this miserable world”. I meant the time when this world was created. I was not present there and The Creator never consulted with me. Hence, I bear no responsibility.  

Comments by: Zubair On 29 May 2011
Dear Sister Nargis,  
 
According to your own interpretation of the verses of the Quran, my brain is void of any sense or intellect. I am deaf, dumb, and blind and forever scorned by your Allah. Hence, there is no point to continue any discussion. I accept my defeat. More power to you.  

Comments by: Junaid On 29 May 2011Report Abuse
Salaam;  
 
Brother Zubair, I completely understand your noble intention and your valuable thoughts. First of all I would like to mention that I am not a denier of "afterlife". Secondly I must say that this issue is being discussed since so long and no one seems to be getting convinced by other's justification. What I mean to say is that if a topic or a point is discussed for too long, people lose their interest and it becomes a non-issue.  
 
Now my five cents on your comments. In fact I have taken the five cents from a friend who just contributed these on another discussion thread :)  
 
**(Imagine what the world would look like if everyone knew his/her actions in this world were going to have severe consequences in the life to come. Would not he/she think twice before doing anything that harms other individuals or the society? Once everyone begins contributing to the betterment of the society, the earth would become a paradise. Am I right? ) by Zubair  
 
Dear brother, I do hope you'll give me a call when you'll come to Pakistan. I'll take you to many places including various mosques and I'll introduce you to many molvees and ordinary people in Pakistan. I am not sure about anything else but you'll definitely see one thing "common" in them and that is, they all strongly believe in "afterlife".  
 
I am trying to figure how this strong faith in afterlife has helped them, coz I have not seen any of them thinking twice or even once before doing harmful acts and I have not seen a single person among these strong believers of afterlife, contributing to betterment of society.  
 
My question: If having faith in "afterlife" can bring around the positive change in this world, why 1.8 billion so called "Muslims" (the strong believers in afterlife), failed to achieve this positive change?  
 
BTW: This guy is also a strong believer of "Afterlife";  
 
https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=218320821525065&oid=160320097329144&comments  
(Hope this video is available for public view)

Comments by: dawood On 29 May 2011Report Abuse
SA Br. Junaid: Quran talks about " ....enter the DEEN comletely ...."in one of the verses. What I understand from this is that Quran is talking about a SYSTEM. A system can only produce desired results if all the components of a system are working in perfect harmony. Majority of us who call themselves muslims may have strong faith or conviction say in the hereafter. Our concept about other subcomponents of the system called DEEN are almost completely convoluted and corrupted. In my humble opinion the example that you quoted above is the result of this corruption in other subcomponents. For example, majority of muslims believe "SALAT=NAMAZ=AML-e-SALIH." No matter what kind of conviction about the hereafter they may have, this useless ritual cannot produce desired results unless the concept of AML-e-SALIH is clear and actions are performed accordingly.

Comments by: Junaid On 29 May 2011Report Abuse
Salaam;  
 
Brother Dawood, You are absolutely right. In fact this exactly was my point, that having strong faith in "afterlife" is just not enough. Rather the concept of AML-E-SALEH and complete entry in DEEN is also equally important.  
 
Actually I was trying to convey the same message to Brother Zubair in reply to his comments;  
 
**(Imagine what the world would look like if everyone knew his/her actions in this world were going to have severe consequences in the life to come. Would not he/she think twice before doing anything that harms other individuals or the society?) by Zubair

Comments by: Nargis-Badshah-Salamat On 29 May 2011Report Abuse
Brother Zubair  
 
Dear Sister Nargis,  
 
According to your own interpretation of the verses of the Quran, my brain is void of any sense or intellect. I am deaf, dumb, and blind and forever scorned by your Allah. Hence, there is no point to continue any discussion. I accept my defeat. More power to you.
 
 
Itna bara ilzaam, aur woh bhi badshah salamat par? What have Nargis badshah salamat said to you so you dont want to talk the highness?  
 
I know you dont want to talk to badshah salamat, but please tell when i interpreted these verses at all? or is a humor sarcasm hidden in your message that i dont get? I thought my questions are cute, but now you are not talking to me  
 
 
 
But you said you wont talk to me, i will still talk to you hahaha heyy have you heard this one : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksR1IGYeJOg  
 
Im going to sleep because sleep is not coming to me  
 
Ok dont stop me im going,,,,for the last time,,,im leaviiiing,,,,,ok im gooooooooooing,byeeeee
 
 

Comments by: pervez On 29 May 2011Report Abuse
Dear brother Zubair and Dawood,  
 
I totally agree with both of you. If one is suffering from headache he needs correct medicine to cure it.  
But will it be wise to chop of the head because it is aching.  
 
Belief in life hereafter gives you the correct purpose of life. Quran bases its complete ideology  
on this belief. Unfortunately, not only Muslims but people belonging to other religions doesn't  
know correct path for its attainment. Therefore, desired results can't be achieved. Quran shows  
you the correct path to be successful in life hereafter. That correct path makes you selfless not  
selfish like our Mullah's due to their ignorance of Quranic teachings. Mullah wants to be successful  
through rituals , Quran wants us to make this life jannah by practical steps through selfless approach  
to be successful in life hereafter. This is the weak area where we need to work. But if belief in life  
after death is taken away as a prerequisite to be a Muslim than I am afraid it will be like blasting a  
building from its foundations and than hoping that it will stay on.  
 
 

Comments by: Nargis-Badshah-Salamat On 29 May 2011Report Abuse
Brother Junaid said Natural resources are meant for all human beings without any discrimination ...  
No human should bear the Load of another...  
No Human being should be empowered by another...  
No one should escape the punishment for a slightest misdeed...  
Everyone should get the reward for his/her efforts and no effort should go unrewarded...
 
 
THIS is a fulltime job, how will we get time to think about and implement equal laws etc for humanity, when we use our time on myths,metaphysical places and aAaAaAaAaAlll that what mochi choudry jatt, is not "here"? go awayyyyyyyy  

Comments by: Junaid2 On 29 May 2011Report Abuse
Salaam;  
 
Sister Nargis, whatever I wrote was my personal understanding and I never meant to force my thoughts on others. in fact we can have different concepts regarding the same message and it all depends on our mental approach.  
 
Let me share a real event of my life which still reminds me of how people interpret Quran and it's concepts and keep defending their stance using different logic's.  
 
I had a friend from my college days and his father is a retired Major from Army. That guy used to brag a lot about the wisdom of his father and his knowledge about Islam and he always insisted that I should meet his father (the retired Major) and have a discussion with him regarding Quran and Islam.  
 
Almost a year ago, I met that Major saab and I found him quite convincing. He presented the whole concept of Dunya, Aakhira, the creator and creation etc. and then he told me about the real meaning of SALAAT. Later on he got stuck when I asked him about SAUM, HAJJ and Purpose of Quran, which gave me the hint that the guy was a follower of Allama Perwez and was deeply involved in personality cult (though he never admitted it in front of me).  
 
Frankly speaking I got a little bit impressed with his way of talking but then I realized that this guy has spent more than 30 years in military, yet he got retired as a Major. Something must have been wrong with him, that's why he never got promoted. I asked this question to him that if he would've been that wise, why he retired as a major and why not a brigadier or a major General etc. ?  
Now you can imagine how angry he would've got with this question and what he would've replied. In fact I can't share what he said in his reply coz his words were too bad to be shared here.  
 
Anyway, that Retired Major saab later on started a business on indenting but he stayed in the background and hired 3 individuals to represent his business as owners. He did some fraudulent transactions but and stole some money from Army in a supply deal. These transactions got exposed but fortunately that Major Saab got away with it because he never came in front, and those guys representing him got caught. Those poor guys were not the culprits but they had to go to jail because of the fraud conducted by that Retired Major.  
 
In short, I met that Major Saab once again after this incident and I told him that this act of fraud is against the concepts of Islam and he should be ashamed of himself. I was really surprised to hear his answer when he said that he was doing these transactions for a charitable work and that his intentions were good. And even more surprisingly, he quoted so many verses from Quran to justify his deeds with reference to his intentions. As a matter of fact he never admitted that he did anything wrong and he kept on defending what he did through a lot of justifications. Even today he insists that he is a true believer and a good Muslim while those poor guys are still in jail, facing the punishment of a crime which was done by someone else!!!  
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Dear sister, I have shared this incident with you so that you could know that there are people who call themselves scholars of Islam, and they justify every wrong deed they perform using Quran itself. This means that every individual has his own concepts regarding Quranic values and a person will never admit that he is wrong, no matter how bad his acts are.  
 
I am really not sure whether I am right or wrong but I can say one thing for sure that my understanding regarding Quranic values are not harmful for others, rather they are about betterment of mankind. You are free to accept or reject my understanding according to your own intellect.  
If you are ready to accept it, then you should start thinking about these points instead of wasting your precious time on other activities.  
If you don't then please keep on exploring the books of myths and metaphysics in search of God!!!  

Comments by: Zubair On 29 May 2011
Dear Brother Junaid,  
 
As soon as I posted my response, my 6th sense alerted me about what you were going to say next. Hence, I was ready to respond. Sure Mullahs, Mulvis, Pirs, Sufis, Priests, Pandats, and Rabbis as well as their blind followers believe in “afterlife”. Here I will talk only about Mullahs/Mulvis. Why the belief in hereafter does not help Mullahs and their blind followers? Before I answer this question, let me tell you something about me. First, I am aware of whatever is going on in Pakistan. The country is in such a miserable and sorry state. Second, I do not need to come to Pakistan, visit Mosques, and meet Mulvis and their blind followers. I am familiar with these folks and their mindset. We have mosques and Mulvis here as well. And we know these Mulvis are hypocrites. They tell us interest is Haram. But they themselves take loans from banks and buy not just homes but businesses, such as gas stations and restaurants, as well. Here are a few other examples of Mulvis’ adventures.  
 
The Mulvi of Dar Al-Hijrah Mosque in Falls Church VA was arrested several times in Washington DC and Los Angeles CA for patronizing prostitutes. Finally, he fled to Yemen. Now he is one of the top leaders of AL-Qaeeda.  
 
The Mulvi of Islamic Center of Washington DC kept a sweetheart in addition to his legal wife. He paid her rent and other expenses from Mosque funds.  
 
A Mulvi in a New York started an affair with a married lady whose children he taught the Quran. When her husband found out, he quickly divorced her. She asked the Mulvi to marry her but he refused. The poor lady lost her husband and children.  
 
Several other Mulvis in various Mosques face charges in courts for having affairs with underage girls whom they taught the Quran at Mosques. These shameless animals claim their religion allows them to have ……. with 9 years old girls.  
 
Now back to the real issue. Why the belief in hereafter fails to improve the behavior of Mulvis and their blind followers? I am sure you are aware of the fact that it is extremely hard to find anything pure in Pakistan. The milk you get from a milkman contains almost half water. The chili powder you get from a grocery store may contain crushed red bricks. The same is the case with religion or faith. Our Imams or Mulvis have adulterated it. The belief in hereafter is no exception. Mulvis believe their Namaz, Roza, Hajj, Umra, Qurbani, Darood Sharif, and other rituals will earn them a place in the Heaven. If not, their Nabi, Olya Karam, and Shahida are ready to intervene on their behalf. This is why they recite the Darood Sharif day and night. And never miss a chance to visit the graves of Olya Karam and Shahida. Further, our Mulvi have Riaz Us Saliheen, which teaches them how they can sing a few word of praise to Allah at certain times and have all their sins, even if they weigh more than the weight of entire universe, instantly erased from their record.  
 
These idiots do not realize all their rituals as well as empty praises of the Lord are going down the drain. Only good deeds that benefit the humanity can help them in this world and the next. Mulvi and their blind followers need a paradigm shift. The job is not easy. But nothing is impossible either. If priests and rabbis can change, why Mulvis cannot?  
 
By the way I spent almost all night reading articles related to Quantum Physics and life after death. It was about 3 AM I went outside to pick up mail from our mailbox. It was still dark and straight lights were on. I enjoyed the cool breeze as well as tranquility. And I wondered if we could bring same tranquility and beauty to the streets and cities of Pakistan. Here we have clean streets with plants and flowers in front lawns, covered sewage, multiple playgrounds for children in every community, and tall trees surrounding every cluster of homes giving the impression those homes are inside a forest.  

Comments by: Zubair On 29 May 2011
Dear Pervez & Dawood,  
 
I completely agree with you both. The Clergy in every man-made religion got a faulty idea of life after death. Hence, it never helps them. For example, Christian priests believe that Jesus Christ is the only way to Heaven. You can earn a place in the Heaven instantly if you just accept Jesus your savior. It does not matter how you spend your life on earth. No wonder so many churches in America and Europe got scandal-plagued pastors. Ordinary people are losing faith and leaving their churches.  
 
I too often wondered why there were so many stars in the sky and what their purpose was. Now I know they are giant factories that produce elements, the same elements used in the construction of our earth and other planets in our solar system. In fact, like our earth our bodies too are made of star dust. When we die, our physical bodies become star dust again. However, our “Self” (also called soul or consciousness) lives on. Iqbal rightly said,  
فرشتہ موت کا چھوتا ہے گو بدن تیرا  
تیرے وجود کے مرکز سے دور رہتا ہے  

Comments by: pervez On 30 May 2011Report Abuse
Dear Zubair,  
 
 
I agree with you, and have explained in my previous post that Muslims don't have proper knowledge  
of Quran for achievement of human goal, that is success in life hereafter. We have a corrupt system  
in which corrupt Mullahs, corrupt bankers, corrupt politician and corrupt soldiers prosper and attain  
high positions. This is true in majority of the cases. Ultimately look at the condition of human life here.  
We need to learn Quranic teachings in true spirit. That is the solution. That doesn't mean that we  
should forget about true purpose of life because everyone is corrupt in the Muslim world. Corrupt  
bankers and generals have even ruled this country. Good people suffer in a bad system in majority  
of cases. The whole banking system is capitalism which is against basic teachings of Islam, Some  
Mullahs also know what they do, yet knowingly adopt their professions and earn their livelihood.  
But are not ashamed of themselves. Everyone in jahanam is fond of mud slinging but doesn't has  
inward look to improve himself.  
 
Individual lives are affected by the system we live in. Therefore collective effort is required for  
establishment of "SALAT". That is not possible without popular support. We need to educate  
people to establish a just system where good is promoted and evil is subdued. Otherwise,  
darkness will prevail. Corrupt will rise and good will suffer.  
 
 
 

Comments by: aurangzaib On 30 May 2011Report Abuse
Dear Guys,  
 
The response to this thread has grown enormously. Forgive me all if I have been unable to respond to any post addressed to me directly. I acknowledge, I am just unable to keep pace with the fast flow of expressions from different friends. It already demands a hell lot of reading.  
 
As a matter of fact, it is the “theoretical aspect” of Quran that we have been deliberating upon. Our focus of attention was the “Hereafter theory” and we wondered if we may take it in the perspective of this world – physical life (animal organism) – or the “other world” i.e. spiritual life/super conscious state. We, as yet, have not decided about a criterion on which to base our interpretation; we are at the moment only exercising our own convictions. I have suggested Science as a common ground and a yardstick for judgment. But some friends maintain that no science or very little science was available in Messengers’ times, so how come they proved their theories without science. We might reply by saying that science was not there with them so they proved their theories some other way. Science is there with us in a big way, and we agree with most of the things only when sciences testifies them, so why not let science prove the theory of Hereafter too. Perhaps, we may arrive at a conclusion in this way!  
 
So, in fact our discussions revolve around Quranic THEORYor theories. What we are doing in our practical lives, OR, what we should and should not do, OR, what actually we have been ignoring of the human rights, moral/ethical values, etc. was not the topic of our discussion. By diverting the discussion to practical aspect, we bring in irrelevant points which serve to unnecessarily expand the scope of discussion and, at the same time, we just lose track of our main point of concentration.  
 
Practical aspects of virtues are also important and much is needed to be done there. But that can be discussed separately.  
 
Hereafter is the most important Quranic theory. Upon it is based the whole Quranic system of reward and punishment; virtues and evils; Jannat and Jahannum; eternity or annihilation. In the life of “this world” (Hayat ad-Dunya), we do not see the application of this Quranic statement. Chengis Khan died comfortably in his bed in Royal Luxury and Splendour, after peacefully distributing his vast empire equally among his three sons. Was buried royally as per his wishes. He had devastated hundred thousands of miles of vast territories and had murdered in cold blood many millions of human populations majority of them innocent civilians. In this world, he did not suffer a pinch of Divine Punishment.  
 
So Quranic narration of Hayat al-Aakhira must mean the Hereafter, otherwise the whole Quranic system of reward and punishment will not stay credible at all.  
 
It is, therefore, imperative that this theory is analysed and tested in today’s most acceptable jargon, which is the Scientific jargon. Why materialists don’t allow it? Science is supposed to be their most favorite subject! They already have refuted some theories on the basis of Scientific approach! Haven’t they been asking PROOF of everything that Quran says?  
 
The proof, in scientific and material terms is ready for them. They need only to agree to receive it. There is no compulsion of accepting it, of course. The undeniable facts will get themselves accepted automatically. In the meantime what we are doing might be construed as a great energy and time loss.  
 
It’s a promise that not a single Quranic verse will be quoted in proof. Just as no Quranic verse was quoted in the course of proving the existence of Creator, the Absolute Consciousness. Nevertheless, almost every paragraph of that narration or every fact narrated did coincide with a Divine Verse.  
 
Salaams to all.  

Comments by: pervez On 30 May 2011Report Abuse
 
Dear brother Aurangzeb,  
 
I appreciate your assertions and fully support you. It is necessary and timely action by you and  
is a help in over all Quranic effort made by others. I hope Quranic translations will be done accordingly.

Comments by: Nargis On 30 May 2011Report Abuse
So Quranic narration of Hayat al-Aakhira must mean the Hereafter, otherwise the whole Quranic system of reward and punishment will not stay credible at all. Aurungzaib  
 
 
dear brother, is this your own observation/ theory or is it written in the Quran?  

Comments by: Saad Haider On 30 May 2011Report Abuse
ufffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff..................... mumbo-jumboooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo  
if changez khan would believe in life after death, had he not done what he had done ????????  
or can anyone have prove that he will be getting punished right now or have been punished or woule be punished at dooms'day????????  
Dr. QZ has written somehwhere in his any book i forgot the reference (Mr. Mubashir please help) but i swear it IS WRITTEN... about life after death, that it is nothing it is all about the world where we are living.

Comments by: abdullahbashoeb On 30 May 2011
Salam Respected Sisters and Brothers.  
 
here some of writings from Quranic students go through and enjoy at the end there is some thing about Aqira stuff it may be misinterpretation or it may be ok.  
 
It is true that bread is the staff of life, but it is equally true that man does not live by  
bread alone. Both his physical needs and his higher aspirations must be satisfied if he is to enjoy  
real happiness. Prof. Hawtrey's pregnant remark deserves careful consideration :  
 
What differentiates economic systems from one another is the character of the motives they  
invoke to induce people to work.”  
 
Mankind on its time on Earth has developed several different understandings of  
Nature and the nature of Allah as it has complete free will (18:29, 27:92). As most of  
these beliefs are not based on evidence but on conjecture or man-made lies by the  
priesthood to sustain the ruling classes, almost every group on Earth has different beliefs.  
This creates divisions among themselves, plus it makes them follow man-made  
understandings which will not help them in their development, and many times these  
belief-systems will clash. This was one of the reasons to teach Man about the true nature  
of Allah and the Universe, to unite Man and to make them approach reality in the correct  
way. To believe in a trinity or a multitude of gods or powers, or to believe in mythical  
creatures means you base your beliefs not on proof as demanded (3:191, 17:36), but on  
man-made books and legends. Thus you follow your ancestors blindly. This also means  
you will not go beyond your ancestors, thus you do not develop, you are in Jahim.  
Jahim means: fire, barrier, to stop something from acting or journeying47, and explains a  
state of human existence which does not progress as a person or society.  
 
As long as mankind, doesn’t matter if the person is Buddhist, Sectarian Muslim (almost  
all Muslim sects mix the Qur'anic message with man-made sources and thus distort the  
Qur'anic goals in most cases), Christian, Hindu, Agnostic or Atheist, base their way of  
life focused on pursuing their own salvation and nourishment, they have become  
mushrikeen, as most of these beliefs and systems are discriminating to other beliefs or  
races, limited in its scope and vision and it goals mostly create short term benefits for a  
specific group, while the rest is left out. Thus they are not beneficial to mankind and its  
development as no current system provides the answers and solutions to Man’s problems  
in a way which will provide mankind as a whole. This is why the Qur'an says Shirk is the  
only thing God cannot give you any protection over, Ghafara (4:116). As accepting  
authorities next to the Qur'an means you will follow ideas and beliefs which will not  
make you successful as a species and society, and as we have free will (18:29), we must  
decide ourselves if we accept God's protection, as we stay in harmony with the universe  
and have the power and knowledge to sustain our species, which we can attain by  
following His guidelines in the Qur'an. Thus God cannot protect us against the harmful  
consequences of Shirk since this falls under our own free will.  
 
“The Communists seek to overthrow the Capitalist state and, in its place, they want to set up a  
totalitarian order. The remedy is worse than the disease. No doubt, in a Communist society every  
man is assured of employment and his basic needs are provided for : but he can hardly be said to  
be a free man in a free society. He has been reduced to the status of a mere cog in gigantic  
machine. He is the member, or rather a part, of a highly regimented society. In action and  
thought he must conform to the standard set up by party leadership. He is not permitted to think,  
choose and judge for himself. In the Rabubiyyat society man sells his life to God. In the  
Communist state he sells his mind to the state. He perceives, remembers, imagines things and  
believe only what the state want him to do. He sells his individuality—his self—to the state. He is  
no longer an end in himself; he is merely the means to the objectives of the state. In short, he is  
reduced to a status lower than that of a serf or a slave; to the status of a mindless machine. How  
cab the development of a free self be possible in such a society? In the Qur’anic society man is a  
volunteer; in the Communist state, a tool. This is but the natural corollary of the philosophy of  
life on which the Communistic order is based.  
 
In the West, during the last decade the idea of a welfare state has appealed to many thinking  
men. The welfare state, like the Qur’anic society, is intended to provide for the basic needs of  
citizen. Such a state, however, still remains as an ideal, attainable perhaps but not as yet  
realized. Even if it is set up, will its members have sufficient incentive to work when they already  
have all they need ? The Qur’anic society, like the ideal welfare state, seeks to place man above  
care and want but unlike the welfare state, it does not weaken but rather stimulates the incentive  
to work. It inculcates in man that the only ideal worthy of him is the full development of all his  
latent powers and that he can realize this ideal only through the disinterested service of mankind.  
He has to give and not to take. He must work, not for himself but for others. He is fired with the  
ambition to work hard for the enrichment of the life of all men, because it is only in this way that  
he can realize himself. This urge is so great that economic security does not impair the incentive  
to work. It is true that bread is the staff of life, but it is equally true that man does not live by  
bread alone. Both his physical needs and his higher aspirations must be satisfied if he is to enjoy  
real happiness. Prof. Hawtrey's pregnant remark deserves careful consideration :  
What differentiates economic systems from one another is the character of the motives they  
invoke to induce people to work.”  
 
Mankind can only develop into one world nation when it allows diversity of belief and  
thinking, thus a secular democratic system. Where every person is equal and where a fair  
economic and social system is present and where people are addressed according to their  
deeds and potential, not on their beliefs, race or family. Secularism doesn't necessarily  
mean a government not based on religion, it is a government that does not discriminate  
between its people, whatever their beliefs, race and so on. Also its law system must be  
practical and fair. As no religion contains these neutral values in its entirety and in a  
practical, usable in the modern age form, secularism is seen as not based on a religion or  
Divine scripture. But the Qur'an does contain these neutral, progressive, secular values in  
its entirety as it doesn't prefer one group above the other. It urges mankind to accept  
another and work together towards justice and fairness for all:  
 
11:116-117 But, Alas! Among the generations before your time, only a few were virtuous  
enough to discourage disorder in the land. We saved those few, whereas those who  
continued to violate human rights only pursued material riches. And they were guilty of  
stealing the fruit of others’ labor (and they were requited). Your Developer, Rabb, never  
destroys a nation wrongfully, as long as they are Muslihoon , reformers, setting right  
their own, and one another’s condition.. (At the moment nations will switch from  
Muslihoon to Zalimeen, violators of human rights, their knowledge is the judging  
factor, they must understand the wrongfulness of their deeds as pointed in  
Revelations 17:15, or at least to their consciousness 30:30 and 17:36. But as long as  
people are Muslihoon, they have freedom of thought 2:256, but not complete  
freedom of action.)  
 
The Qur’an reminds Mankind in 17:36 that knowledge is the judging factor of the  
heaviness of our deeds. And this at least contains your natural morality as proclaimed in  
30:30, or Revelations with moral guidance as the Qur'an is now. But 11:117 reminds that  
as long as people are Muslihoon, they have freedom of thought as proclaimed in 2:256.  
This is one of the most revolutionary verses in the Qur’an. It throws out all dogmatic assertions  
that are the hallmark of a ‘religion’, and gives it a secular presentation whereby the rights of  
mankind are the purpose of revelation, and not the so-called “God rights”.  
 
2:256 There is absolutely no compulsion or coercion in Dean  
 
95:4 Indeed, We have created the human being in the best design. [Meaning all races, all  
humans, both sexes are equally perfect and all have the same potential. No race or sex is  
better then the other.]  
 
17:70 Surely, We have conferred dignity, and have honoured all the descendants of Man (as  
a birth right, regardless of where the child is born), and provided them with transport on  
land and sea and given them decent things of life. And We have favored the humans far  
above a great many of Our creation.  
 
20:118-119 “Indeed, you are living the life of Paradise (on this very Earth) where you are  
guaranteed never to go hungry, nor go unsheltered.” “Neither do you go thirsty, nor are  
you exposed to the burning sun.” [Well-provided with food, clothing, shelter, the basic  
needs for all]  
 
Page 438-439 Volume 4, Arabic-English Lexicon by Edward William Lane, based on Taj-Ul-Roos, 2003  
2nd reprint. It gives under Salaha: “To make whole sound, set things right, amendment, reformation,  
reformer, one who is upright, righteous, a person of integrity, peacemaker, suitable.” As the commentary  
shows, this verse completely destroys the concept of religion as the law of God judges deeds not beliefs.  
What is an important note, is that beliefs create deeds. So without the correct vision on reality, eventually a  
people will fall into wrong deeds. This is why God sends Revelation.  
 
6:132 The ranks of all individuals and nations are determined solely by their deeds, and  
your Lord is not unaware of what they do. [Calling yourselves ‘believers’ will not help. 2:8]  
 
2:177 But righteousness is that: [..] And that he gives of his cherished wealth to:  
- Family and relatives, Orphans, Widows, Those left helpless in the society, And those  
whose hard-earned income fails to meet their basic needs, Those whose running businesses  
have stalled, The ones who have lost their jobs, Whose life has stalled for any reason, The  
disabled, The needy wayfarer, son of the street, the homeless, the one who travels to you for  
assistance, Those who ask for help, and Those whose necks are burdened with any kind of  
bondage, oppression, crushing debts and extreme hardship of labor.  
 
51:19 And in their wealth was the Divinely ordained right of those who ask and those who  
are deprived.  
 
If people want real beneficence for mankind, they should look for something that truly  
benefited mankind as a whole. But most are only busy with personal salvation or gain as  
this is what their current beliefs tell them to pursue.  
 
6:116 (People will confront you with what the majority is doing.) Now if you pay heed to, or  
get intimidated by majority of those who live on Earth, they will lead you astray from God’s  
way. Most of the people follow nothing but conjecture and they only live by guesswork.  
 
This is also why many Muslims reject the Qur’anic System, as it doesn't support personal  
salvation as its goal, but universal development. Mankind lives under man-made laws and systems and thus does not really develop and constantly end up in a state of Jahannam, a place of no growth, a place of destruction of the human Self.  
 
4:115 One who opposes the messenger, dissents and treads contrary to the way of the  
believers, after the guidance has been made plain to him, We shall let him continue in his  
chosen direction, and expose him to Jahannam, the state of non-evolution, a miserable  
destination.  
 
When we do not develop in this life, we will also not develop in the Next Life as this life  
will create the foundation for the next. You are judged on how benefiting you were to  
mankind and its development as a whole. Not just your good deeds to single persons here  
and there, but on your position and contribution to mankind as a whole. As the reason for  
our existence is to develop ourselves:  
 
11:119 Save him on whom your Developer of all your stages of evolution has given His  
Rahma, His providing you with all the means to develop; and for that He did create them.  
 
23:61-62 It is those who race with one another to improve the quality of life for humanity,  
and it is those who are worthy of winning good things. We do not burden any human being  
with more than he or she is able to bear. And with Us is a Record that speaks the truth  
(about what you can and cannot do). And so, none shall be wronged.  
 
41:46 Whoever does good to others, does good to his own ‘self’, and whoever causes  
imbalance in the lives of others, hurts his own ‘self’. Your Lord is never unjust to His  
servants.  
 
Just as we lost our tails during our evolution as it had lost its beneficence, people who do  
not contribute to the development of mankind will also be lost during the Universal  
Evolution and end up in the garbage dump of the Universe, Jahannam. Those that do  
contribute to the development of mankind as a whole are chosen to stay within the  
evolution of the Universe; they are in a state of Jannah, never-ending growth and  
development.  
 
92:18 Who gives his wealth that he may grow in goodness.  
 
9:111 God has bought from the believers their persons and their goods, for (in return)  
theirs is Jannah, the state of constant evolution. They shall fight in the cause of God, and  
shall slay and be slain. It is a promise that is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel,  
and the Qur’an. Who can fulfill a promise better than God? Rejoice then in the bargain you  
have made, for that is the Supreme Triumph.  
 
Jahannam is thus made by Mankind and not by Allah, it is a direct result of our  
own actions. On Earth it is we who create states of existence that do not develop mankind  
as a whole. The earthly Jahannam is created by class-differences, non-social economic  
system, gathering of personal wealth, beliefs based on myths, legends, superstitions,  
man-made or man-altered scriptures, and gender and race discrimination (2:35). All the  
above are the basis for oppression, war, conflicts, slavery and people wasting their energy  
and their whole life on pursuing beliefs that are false and have nothing to do with the true  
workings of the Universe and its Developer. In this state mankind burns away their  
potentials and is not in an environment where it can grow and develop itself. It can only  
survive, not progress. The word Jahim is frequently used to describe mankind in this  
state, Man is literally in Jahim. The word Jahim has a large definition as explained  
above; it was used for fire, for the point of retreat in war, to stop something from acting.  
In a sense, there is no better word to be used to describe this state of Man. mankind is  
stopped from progressing and developing and is in a constant battle of survival without  
gaining any ground and in this state it can fully use its potentials and thus in a sense  
burns away any means for progress.  
 
18:100 And We displayed Jahannam on this Era of mankind (yaumwe) to the rejectors of  
truth clear to see.  
 
7:177-179 Evil as an example are the people who reject Our verses, since they hurt their  
own ‘self’. Whoever attains God’s guidance according to His laws is led right. And goes  
astray he who violates God’s law of guidance. [4:88] Our law has committed to Hell  
numerous people, rural and urban; they are living a life of Hell. They have hearts that they  
use not to understand. They have eyes with which they see not, and ears with which they  
hear not. They are like cattle. Nay, they are even worse. Such are the people who have  
chosen to live through life in total darkness of ignorance.  
 
General William Tecumseh Sherman:  
"War is hell,"Step 24.  
 
Just as animals know through their instincts how to fulfill their potentials and  
make their species thrive, so mankind needs this knowledge through the media of Wahi,  
Revelation.  
 
24:41 Do you not realize that God, He is the One Whom all beings in the heavens and Earth  
glorify, and the birds, with their wings outspread, as they fly in columns. All of them know  
their Salaat and Tasbeeh (mission and strife). God is Aware of what they do to fulfill His  
Plan. [All creatures know their Salaat, their inborn Divinely programmed instincts. So, they can  
automatically strive (do their Tasbeeh) in the best way. But humans are not programmed with  
such inborn instincts. Given free will, they must do their Salaat by following the revealed  
guidance and thus strive (do Tasbeeh) in the best way]  
 
6:38 All creatures on Earth and all the birds that fly on two wings are communities like  
you. [As all creatures are guided by their inherit programming, instincts, and mankind is guided  
through Revelation]...  
 
Mankind learns through Revelation, which in this period of time is the Qur’an and in  
older times were the Veda’s, Torah, Gospel and many more, but these have and are all  
distorted and unsuitable to create a sustainable world society. They do not present how to  
create a state of progress where in every person can realize its potentials and develop  
itself to the fullest possible, they mostly only present a religion which has a very limited  
scope on reality.  
 
21:10 O mankind! Now We have revealed to you a Book that is all about you and it will give  
you eminence. Will you not, then, use reason?  
 
Salat means to follow the whole System of the Qur’an just as animals follow their  
instinct (24:41), we must follow our instinct given in the Qur’an.  
 
"In verse (24/41) a question is asked: "Have you not pondered over the fact that  
whatever there is in the Universe including the birds with wings spread out, is  
continuously carrying out their assignments with fullest play of their capabilities and  
each one of them knows its sphere of duties (Tasbeeh) and the way those are to be  
carried out (Sal'at)." This obviously means that everything in the Universe knows by  
instinct, what are its duties and how to perform them and what is its destiny. As far as  
animal world is concerned, they do it by instinct. But if a human being wants to know,  
what is his Tasbeeh and Sal'at, it is a must for him to have faith in Wahi, through which  
all these directions containing do's and don'ts are explained. This is Iqamat-As-Sal'at, a  
special term used in the Qur’an. To follow the Laws of the Qur’an is Iqamat-As-Sal'at.  
This is not possible individually and can only be done collectively; that is why the  
Qur’an has used the plural tense for this. It is the responsibility of an Islamic State is to  
establish this order (22/41), and they do it by mutual consultations (42/38). This system  
covers all the aspects of life, particularly the economic system. Verse (11/87) is very  
significant in this regard. It says: "O Shu'aib! does your Sal'at not permit us even to  
spend our wealth as we desire?" They did not understand as to what type of Sal'at is one  
which gives directions even in economic matters; they thought Sal'at is just a prayer or  
some sort of ritual.”  
 
Society learns also how to avoid states of Jahannam, how to defend against falling into  
war, oppression and falling into separate groups. It teaches an equal socio-economic  
system and a realistic approach to Nature and its Developer, Allah. It unites mankind and  
gives them a common goal to pursue. It urges them to explore nature (3:191, 45:3) and  
conquer the forces of nature (2:30) and inhabit the Universe (Umrah). It clearly makes a  
statement that a society who does not explore the laws of nature and the Universe will be  
in a state of Jahannam, a state of no progress.  
 
45:3 In the heavens and Earth are signs for all who are willing to attain conviction.  
 
3:191-3 (Such men and women of understanding keep reflecting upon how God’s laws  
operate in the Universe.) Standing, sitting, and reclining, they reflect upon the wonders of  
creation in the skies and Earth, saying, "Our Developer! You have not created all this  
without purpose. glory to You! Save us, then, from (being negligent in attaining knowledge  
and thus from) the doom of the fire.” [When humans harness the forces in nature and use them  
for the common good of all, they move away from Hell, rightfully hoping to achieve Paradise in  
both lives. 13:17, 45:13-14]  
 
(Reflecting on the Universe and upon their own role on the Planet, such people work for the  
betterment of humanity 13:17. They say), “Our Developer! Any individuals and nations  
whom You admit into the fire, You have brought them low (for failing to harness the forces  
in nature)." There are no helpers for those who displace knowledge with conjecture and  
thus wrong themselves. [Zaalimeen translated according to the context] "Our Lord! We have  
heard a caller calling to faith, “Believe in your Lord!” So we have believed. Our Lord!  
Protect us from trailing behind in humanity, blot out from us our iniquities, and let our end  
be in the company of those who have made room for others to advance in the society."  
[2:186. The caller being the Qur’an. Abraar = Those who create opportunities for others to make  
progress]  
 
It teaches them to use Democracy (Shura54, see 42:38) and held a yearly global  
conference to workout the problems and challenges of mankind (Hajj).  
 
42:38 They respond to their Lord by establishing Salaat, and conduct their affairs by  
mutual consultation (Shura), and they keep open for the welfare of others what We have  
given them. [Establishing Salaat = Establishing the System where following of the Divine  
Commands is facilitated. Nafaq = Open-ended tunnel = No hoarding]  
 
Hajj comes from the root Hajja which means: To intend to a certain target, aim at, repair,  
undertake, repaired/betook himself to or towards a person / place / object of  
veneration/respect/honour, went/visit frequently/repeatedly, pilgrimage. Overcome another by/in  
argument/evidences/proofs/testimonies, plead, contend/argue/dispute. Refrain/abstain. Year/ to  
probe a head wound to cure it.  
 
In the Qur'an Hajja is mostly used as to argue or dispute (see: 2:76, 139, 258; 3:20,  
65-66) It also means a year (28:27). In verse 3:97, all of mankind (Nass) is invited to do  
Hajj. In verse 9:5 it is ordered to have 4 months of global peace time where all wars are  
stopped so the issues can be discussed. As 12:106 says the majority on earth will follow  
different sorts of guidance and authority, the Hajj must be a secular gathering. From this  
all it is clear that Hajj is no ritualistic gathering, but a Yearly Global Debate that is  
meant to stop wars and problems on Earth, by probing the issue and through  
discussion and debate finding solutions and so curing the problems that has held  
mankind back.  
 
It gives: “gather, extract, exhibit, show, display, examine, consult, debate, counsel, advice,  
make known, notify, command, order, enjoin.” Showing that mankind must gather in counsels to debate  
and examine the issues in society.  
 
3:97 And the Hajj, the Yearly Global Debate to prevent wars according to the (Rabb’s) Bayt,  
His System, is a duty unto Allah for all mankind (Nass). [God calls Himself Rabb. A rabb  
was the responsible person of the house, bayt, who had the duty to nourish and protect all  
people in the house. God’s Bayt, house, is His the system that is laid out in the Qur’an  
where He has laid down the foundation for mankind how to nourish and protect  
themselves.]  
 
9:33 He is the One Who has sent His messenger with guidance and the True System (Deen =  
The System of Life), that He may cause it to prevail over all religions and systems of life,  
even though the idolaters of man-made systems may detest it. [9:31-33, 13:31, 14:48, 18:48,  
41:53, 48:28, 51:20-21, 61:8-9] [The Qur'anic Deen will prevail over all other systems of life.  
This refers to religions such as Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism and all other forms of religion,  
including the sects that are now present in Islam. But next to religions, the Qur’anic Deen will  
also prevail over all political systems of the world such as Communism, Secular Democracy,  
Theocracy, Monarchy and it will rule over all ways of life as Humanism, Socialism and so on.  
This will happen as humanity willingly realizes the supremacy of the Qur’an,]  
 
21:18 Nay, We hurl the truth against the falsehood, and it knocks out the latter. And  
certainly falsehood has to vanish. And there is destruction for those of you who contrive  
falsehood.  
 
As nations have fallen into misery throughout the history of mankind,  
eventually after a long process of trial and error, and after a long process of researching  
the Qur’anic message, they will acknowledge that following God's guidance is the best  
way. In the Qur’an falling into misery and war is called Jahannam, a state of destruction  
where mankind cannot develop.  
 
18:99-101 We will let some nations invade others on a day when the trumpets of war will be  
blown. Then We will gather them together in battle-fields. [Gog and Magog, the powerful  
imperialist nations, will attack one another and the weaker nations, and great wars will take place]  
And those who had been rejecting (the Divine writ of mankind being one single  
community); We will cause them to face Jahannam, the state of destruction, in that era.  
[Yauwme=Era, Time, Period, Day] Those whose eyes were veiled to see My reminder, and  
who could not bear to hear.  
 
As God knows mankind must go through a long process of trial and error (2:30, 11:118),  
the Qur’anic message contains a very interesting explanation of this process of learning.  
Jahannam is called the maula, protector in 57:15 of the people who reject Guidance, as  
referring it to be a between phase of humanity, and also called umm, mother in 101:9,  
which refers that Jahannam is a position of nurturing as a lesson to them for knowing  
that following all selfish desires and conjecture will not attain them anything.  
 
23:53 But they (mankind) have torn their affair of unity between them into sects, each sect  
rejoicing in what it has.  
 
The Qur’an warns us not to be divided among ourselves (3:103), and in the present age  
we see the formation of the European Union, the United Nations and many more  
alliances. A unity among the Muslims is pursued, among the Christian sects and among  
the all faiths themselves. Slowly mankind is crawling to unity as it is clear this is the only  
way for mankind to have peace. Slowly mankind is acknowledging that racial, religious  
and cultural differences must not be a source of dispute, but a source of joy and  
enrichment, a claim already made in the Qur’an.  
 
Robert Briffault:  
“The peculiar means and conditions of human development necessitate that development  
shall take place not by way of individuals, but by way of the entire human race; that the  
grade of development of each individual is the resultant of that ecumenical  
development.”  
 
The Qur’an clearly says:  
 
13:17 …While what is of benefit to mankind, abides on Earth.  
 
3:103-105 You must hold fast, all of you together, to the Bond of God and be not divided  
into sects. (The Bond or Rope of God is the Qur’an which is an Unbreakable Support  
2:256.) Remember God’s favor upon you when you were enemies and, almost overnight, He  
brought mutual affection in your hearts. Thus, you became brothers and sisters by His  
grace. And recall that you were on the brink of the pit of fire, and He saved you from it.  
(Various tribes used to attack one another, and personal enmity plagued them.) This is how  
effectively God has made His messages clear for you to journey on the lighted road.  
[6:165, 30:31-32, Huda =Guidance = Walk the right path = Travel on a lighted road]  
 
Let there be a community among you that invites to all that is good, advocating virtue and  
deterring vice. They are the truly successful.  
 
[Verses 2:143, 3:110 and 22:78 assign this duty to the entire Muslim community. Ma'roof =  
Virtue = Kindness = All that is good = Declared Ma’roof by the Qur’an. Munkar = Vice = Evil =  
All that is wrong = Declared Munkar by the Qur’an. 2:143, 3:109, 23:1, 61:2-3]  
 
Do not be like those who became divided and disputed after all evidence of the truth had  
come to them. For, they have incurred a tremendous suffering.  
 
Gunner Myrdal:  
“Clearly, the complete realisation of our ideals would create a world without boundaries  
and without national discrimination, a world where all men are free to move around as  
they wish and to pursue on equal terms their own happiness. Politically, the implication  
would be a world state, democratically ruled by the will of all peoples. Somewhere in the  
religious compartment of our souls we all harbour . . . . this vision of a world in perfect  
integration”  
 
2:219 mankind is but one single community…  
 
Life is a classroom that will reveals to mankind through experience that unity, equality  
and freedom for all is the only solution towards peace and progress. Jahannam in the  
history of this Earth is the misery people have caused each other by rejecting equality for  
all.  
 
When it comes to equal rights between men and women, mankind is finally letting go of  
the patriarchal system and see females on an equal footing. Women have only gained the  
right to vote in the 1900’s in the West. But the Qur’an already stressed this point in 625  
CE.  
 
60:12 O Prophet! When the believing women come to you to take oath of allegiance,  
Bayiaan. [Ba'a refers to making a deal, a bargain wherein both parties agree on a price and  
product, to exchange, to make a covenant, make a contract, to acknowledge someone as the  
leader. This makes it very clear that women have the right to choose their own leader whom they  
acknowledge through vote.]  
 
9:71-72 And the believers, men and women, are colleagues of one another  
 
2:228 Women, in all equity, have rights similar to men.  
 
That the earthly Jahannam is a between phase of humanity, meaning that war and misery  
will be solved eventually, can also be seen at the use of fitnah in 2:191, 29:2 and 29:10,  
where it refers to oppression caused by those who still believe this is the best way to  
sustain themselves. “Fitnah” comes from the meaning of 'purifying gold' or 'throwing  
rubbish into the fire'62. Which refers to loosing illusions that will create bad results, the  
false beliefs they had about themselves and the world, as they are confronted with the  
truth during those fitnah's, these trials, they are confronted with the Law of Requital, the  
result of their deeds. The gold which represents the human state must be cleaned of all  
illusions and false beliefs about the Universe and their position within the Universe that  
block their minds as in 17:46, so it can attain the higher mind state and society. In  
37:62-63, it mentions Mankind will get a fitnah, which is called 'the tree of zaqum'.  
 
37:62-63 Is this better as a welcome, or the tree of Zaqqum? Lo! We have appointed it a  
fitnah for those that displace their goals and become oppressors.  
 
As discussed earlier does the word Jannah mean 'garden covered in foilage', whereby the  
ground also metaphorically refers to the society which has certain knowledge and beliefs,  
which will create certain deeds which are presented by the trees, and the fruits are it's  
results. We can link this same understanding with Jahannam and 'the tree of zaqum'  
which is called a 'fitnah' in 37:63, a purifying deed. Zaqum means literally, 'a tree with  
small round leaves without thornes, it has a penetrating smell and is bitter, the tips of the  
leaves are filthy tasting'. It is a real existing tree in East Arabia. It is so bitter, even  
camels don't eat it. The word zaqum was also used for any food that was lethal  
 
In verse 37:64 it says this tree grows in the source of Jahim. The words used in the verse  
are Shajara which means tree but also dispute and stock or origins of a person. Asl  
means root, origin, source, base and Jahim means to stop something, to recede or draw  
back64. The constant wars and disputes people have (Shajara) are the source and origins  
(Asl) for why humanity is not moving forward but backwards (Jahim). So for humanity,  
the Hells on Earth they have created themselves through following their selfish desires,  
are purifying them, but this purifying will be experienced as eating something filthy. It is  
falling into misery and destruction which will taste bitter, but is in the same time a  
purifying thing, as they have at least lost the belief that their selfishness will get them  
anywhere, they will lose the belief a certain people stand above others. They are purified  
from the concepts of putting their own needs above others and eventually will accept the  
basic human rights step by step.  
 
After World War II, the United Nations and the European Union were formed to prevent  
another global war and to work together towards peace and unity. The war was started  
based on the belief certain races were to dominate others. Through this belief Jahannam  
was created, and while being in this state of destruction, war, the results of this were  
bitter and horrifying, as Europe was lay in ruin and many innocent people, several  
millions, had lost their lives all over the world. This is described in the Qur’an as eating  
fruit that are like demons and pouring down boiling water in the throat of mankind. This  
very figurative speech is used to reflect the situation in a way that is recognizable in  
every age. WWI and WWII had purified (fitna) Mankind from the concept of massive  
global warfare (zaqum) as they realized the bad consequences it gives, and forced  
Mankind into creating systems that urged cooperation and peace among the nations.  
 
Also now, mankind is focusing more on the upcoming generations. When the Industrial  
age started after 1800, mankind has done much damage to its local environment and has  
caused much damage to the Earth’s resources. This was caused partially by ignorance of  
the effects of their actions, but certainly also because they did not care about the long  
term effects their deeds would have. Now finally mankind is aware and feels responsible  
for the long term effects of their deeds. A concept which is also stressed in the Qur’an.  
“Akhira” means: To put back, to put something behind you. It is the opposite word of  
“Awwal”, which means Old, preceding, former, former generations65. Akhira is thus used  
in the Qur’an in two ways, the future in this life, the upcoming generations and to put this  
Universe behind us. Thus referring to the next phase of this Universe. The next verses  
can thus understood in these 2 ways:  
 
Mafhum Al-Qur’an by G.A. Parwez. 1990. It quotes the dictionaries: “Aj-Hama 'Anhu  
means he got stopped. The Holy Qur’an has used Al-Jaheem in the meaning of Jahannam (44/47,  
37/55-64-68). The Holy Qur’an has also described the result of misdeeds as the torturing fire. As the fire  
burns everything, so the bad deeds burn the human personality and stop its growth.” Page 20 Volume 2,  
 
 
 
75:20-211 Nay, but you love instant results. And give little thought to the Akhira.  
 
 
It reflects the human tendency to not think about the future, but to only focus on the  
needs of today, without reflecting on the future consequences for the upcoming  
generations, for your own self in the future and the effects it will have on your place  
within the cosmic evolution.  
 
In short, eventually humanity will learn the truth as the Deen, way of life described in the  
Qur'an, is part of our nature (30:30). Mankind will be sick of all the misery they have  
created throughout the ages. We can see it already through the man-made efforts of the  
United Nations, the uniting of Europe under the EU, Geneva conferences, and The Hague  
world trials against oppressors. The Democratic systems of the West and the socioeconomical  
system of the communists. The secular systems which try to be nondiscriminating  
and open to all people. Mankind is thus readying itself to realize they not  
only agree to the concepts presented in the Qur'an, they want to use it.  
 
30:30 Therefore, devote yourself to the Upright System turning away from all that is false.  
Such is the natural aim of God’s creation of humans. And God’s law of creation never  
changes. This is the perfect System but most people do not know.  
 
110:1-3 When God's help and the Victory comes. And you see the people enter God’s  
System in throngs. [19:96] (Think not that your job is done.) Then strive hard to make the  
Divine System a living witness to the glory and praise of your Lord. And you shall remain  
vigilant to guard the System as a helmet guards the head. Indeed, He is ever Responsive to  
your efforts. [94:7-8][Staghfir=to give protection. Mighfar=helmet and chain of armour]  
 
To create a progressive world society, mankind must accept these basic principles of a  
secular scientific and socio-economic world system. Thus does the Qur'an does not  
promote a religion nor a theocracy. It views all people as equal beings, where  
righteousness is the factor that determines your development. The Qur'an does not  
demand a state to rule, but world participation in striving for betterment for all. This form  
of Qur'anic secularism is slowly being worked too by Mankind. Thus the Qur'an predicts  
that Mankind will eventually accept the values and goals given in the Qur'an (9:33),  
making all of Mankind Muslim66, submitting and cooperating towards peace. But the  
Qur'an also states not all people will be convinced of the divine origins of the Qur'an  
(12:103), but this will not matter as long as they agree on the values and goals presented  
by the Qur'an, and the people being contributors towards betterment of the world (13:17,  
11:117). The persons who are convinced and agree with its goal of creating global peace  
are addressed as Mu'min67, people who are entrusted with the security of peace on earth  
for all beings. Persons who oppose the basic human rights and do not uphold peace are  
called Kafirun68, those that bury the rights of others. The Qur'an does not present a  
religion, but a guidance to a correct God's image, a correct view on the Universe and  
urges mankind to unite towards peace and progress whatever beliefs they may have.  
 
Salima means: Safety, security, freedom, immunity, peace, deliver, acknowledge, pay in advance,  
submit, sincerity, humility, submission, conformance, obedience, resign, quit, relinquish, to be in sound  
condition, well without blemish, gentle, tender, soft, elegant. Thus a Muslim is a person who acknowledges  
the general values of peace and freedom and makes sure these are secured for everyone on Earth. It is not  
a religious title, but a secular description of someone's values and goals, not his personals beliefs.  
 
Exposition of the Holy Qur’an, Mafhum Al-Qur’an by G.A. Parwez.  
1990. It quotes the dictionaries and explains: Amnun means peace, safety, state of mind where one feels  
safe from fear or danger (2:24). Also when one feels safe, secure and at peace. Ibn-e-Faris says that its  
basic meanings are: Peace of mind, To testify, The opposite of dishonesty. Amana is to satisfy someone and  
put him at ease without fear, to provide peace or protection to someone, to take over the responsibilities of  
someone's protection  
 
Exposition of the Holy Qur’an, Mafhum Al-Qur’an by G.A. Parwez. 1990. It quotes  
the dictionaries and explains: Kufr means to conceal, to hide, to cover. Ibn-e-Faris also agrees that its  
basic meanings are to cover or conceal. Therefore, A person whose body is fully covered with weapons is  
called K'afir. Night is also called K'afir, as its darkness covers everything.A farmer is called K'afir as he  
hides the seed under the soil (Taj).A grave is called Al-Kafro as it hides the dead-body. In the same way,  
K'afir is a person who conceals the fundamental and absolute values of life, given to man by Allah. A  
person who hides his own or other peoples' potentialities and does not permit them to develop is also  
known as K'afir. Keeping in view this meaning of hiding or covering, it was also used in the meaning of  
denial, refusal or rejection. Therefore, it was also used in contrast to the concept of Ei'man, i.e., one who  
denies the absolute truth as given in the Quran (2/4-2/6). K'afir is used as an opposite of Momin. Kufr is  
also used as antonym of Shukr, as Shukr means something which gets prominent (14/7).  
 
 
 
The second phase of the Universe  
 
 
Step 26. Eventually mankind will have learned and pursuit the goals and values of peace  
and progress and will explore the Universe and be successful as a species. But as all  
species, Man will die out due to the ever changing environment of the Universe which is  
slowly working to its next phase called “Akhira” in the Qur'an, meaning future and the  
other existence70. The Universe will collapse and is formed again using the same process,  
but as with any evolution, it will be on a higher scale of development and so will have  
more possibilities and features then the first Universe. It is an upgraded version. As the  
whole Universe is based on an energy-blue print scientists call the Quantum Field, which  
stores all information of the Universe, every person, every molecule is stored in there and  
the new Universe will follow this blue print again as the first Universe did, but now  
containing also the information of all what occurred in the first Universe. Just as the Big  
Bang in reality is an unwinding of the Universe, in the same way it will roll up again.  
 
Or as explained by Edward Hardy:  
 
“In some tens of times 10to the 9th years, the recession of the neighbouring galactic  
systems will cease, and the process will start to reverse.”  
 
21:104 On that Day We shall roll up the Sky as a written scroll is rolled up. Then, just as  
We initiated the first Creation, We shall create a new Universe. This is a Promise  
incumbent upon Us. Truly We shall fulfill it.  
 
77:8-9 So when the stars are put out. And when the sky is riven asunder.  
 
Prof. Seth Loyd:  
“The Universe is made of bits. The way in which the Universe registers and processes  
information determines what it is and how it behaves. It has been known for more than a  
century that every piece of the Universe - every electron, atom, and molecule - registers  
bits of information. It is only in the last ten years, however, with the discovery and  
development of quantum computers, that scientists have gained a fundamental  
understanding of just how that information is registered and processed. Seth Lloyd calls  
this fundamental understanding of the Universe in terms of information processing 'the  
computational Universe'[..] Starting from basic concepts of physics, […] how all  
physical systems register information. […] account of how information is stored and  
processed at the level of electrons, atoms, and molecules. [...] the information processing  
power of the Universe can be harnessed to build quantum computers and explains how  
the Universe itself behaves like a gigantic computer, transforming and processing  
information. […] the history of information processing from the big bang to the present  
day, and reveals how the computational ability of the Universe promotes the evolution of  
complex structures such as life.”  
 
As discussed earlier, Akhira conveys the meaning of the upcoming period, the second, the other, to put  
this Universe behind us and go on to the next. In the Qur'an the word is both used for the future in the  
present life, as well as life after death. In religious terms this is mainly conveyed as the Hereafter or  
Afterlife, a terminology I have avoided here because it has its own mythological baggage which would be  
confused with the Qur'anic and scientific explanation of the Hereafter I try to explain in this paper.  
 
In the Qur’an the same information is told about a universal record, a universal database.  
The Qur’an calls it the Umm Al-Kitab. The Arabic word Kitaab means: writing,  
scripture, book, something that contains written information, letter, recording73. Umm  
means: Source, Principle, Origin, Prototype74. In verse 13:39 it says:  
 
13:39 God blots out and establishes communities according to His laws. Nations rise and  
fall accordingly, and with Him is the Umm Al-Kitab, the Divine Database, the Origin of all  
information.  
 
All of the information that controls the Universe is written in the Universe's Laws:  
 
6:38 All creatures on Earth and all the birds that fly on two wings are communities like you.  
We did not omit any knowledge from this Book that was essential to be given through  
Revelation. All these creatures are part of the Divine Plan and they are together working the  
Plan of their Lord.  
 
6:59 With Him are the keys of the Unseen. (None but He knows the subtle processes and  
their stages where actions culminate into their logical outcome). He knows everything in the  
land and in the sea. Not even a leaf falls without His knowledge. Neither is there a grain in  
the dark depths of the soil, nor anything fresh or withered, that He knows not. But all is  
written in the Open Book of the Universe around you.  
 
11:6 There is not a creature in the Earth but its sustenance depends on Allah. He is Aware  
of its habitation and of the needs of His creation at every stage (6:99). He carries them from  
one station to another until the final destination. His Laws are preserved in the Clear Book  
of Decree, the Divine Database (55:29).  
 
27:75 And there is nothing hidden in the heaven and the Earth but it is in a clear Record  
 
43:4 And, verily, in the Source of Decrees with Us, it is indeed sublime, decisive  
 
All of our deeds are recorded and archived inside the Universal database.  
 
Scientist and philosopher Ervin Laszlo:  
 
“Energy must be conveyed by something; it does not act in a vacuum. Rather, scientists  
are now coming to the insight that it does act in a vacuum, namely in the quantum  
vacuum[lowest dimension which our Universe exists in. That vacuum is far from empty:  
[…], it is an active, physically real cosmic plenum. It conveys not only light, gravitation,  
and energy in its various forms, but also information; more exactly, “in-formation.  
 
“There is no evident limit to the information that interfering vacuum wavefields could  
conserve. In the final count, they could carry information on the state of the whole  
Universe.”  
 
The Qur’an explains the human consists of two things, the biological body and the  
human consciousness, which calls it “Nafs”77. According to the Qur’an, the Nafs will  
exist beyond the biological body. The above quotation talks about every piece of  
information is stored within the universal database. This also accounts for the human  
Nafs, his consciousness. Our personality with all its deeds, thoughts, characters and  
beliefs is stored in the Umm Al-Kitaab, the universal database. The Qur’an then claims a  
new Universe will be created wherein all humans will experience consciousness and  
where it is confronted with the level of development of their Nafs:  
 
11:106-108 Those who, by their deeds, brought misery on themselves will be in the fire,  
marked by their deeds, sighing and wailing will be their portion. [Al-Nar=Fire, To be marked,  
war] Therein to abide, as long as the (New) Universe endures; that is time beyond count,  
unless your Developer of every stage of evolution decrees otherwise. Your Developer is Doer  
of what He wills in the World of command. [The current Universe will be dismantled for a new  
Universe. 5:44, 14:48, 21:104, 25:22, 39:37, 69:16, 70:9] The happy ones of that Era of  
evolution [Yauwme=Era=Period=Day] will enter Jannah, the state of constant growth, and  
live there as long as the (New) Universe endures, that is time beyond count; until your  
Developer opens for them the way to further evolution, a gift unfailing, uninterrupted.  
 
6:73 And He it is Who has created the heavens and the Earth through a process of steps  
with a definite Purpose. Whenever He says Kun, Be it is (written into the Blue print of the  
Universe). [Khalaqa= creating something through a process that takes time. It does not mean  
instant creation.] His Word is the Truth. And He is responsible for the Laws that control  
infuses, shapes and finishes the Era of (the New Universe). [Malik= To control and rule a  
realm. Yauwme=Era=Timeperiod Sur=to shape/form, fashion mark, picture, adorn, prepare,  
make] Knower of the Invisible and the Visible, for, He is the Wise, the Aware. [3:191, 38:27]  
 
21:104 …Then, just as We initiated the first Creation, We shall create a new Universe. This  
is a Promise incumbent upon Us. Truly We shall fulfill it.  
 
Page 68. Science and the Akashic Field by Ervin Laszlo, 2007 2nd edition. The vacuum is the basis in  
which the whole Universe lies, it is the foundation level. It was also presumed to be empty, but now science  
starts to understand the foundation level is on unending energy dimension which connects everything  
within the Universe with one another. This vacuum is also called the Zero Point Field or QuantumVacuum.  
 
Scientist and philosopher Ervin Laszlo:  
 
“We begin by noting that the evolution of Universes within the Metaverse is cyclic but  
not repetitive. One Universe informs another; there is a progress from Universe to  
Universe. Each Universe is more evolved than the one before. The cycle itself evolves  
from a random and more tuned to the evolution of complexity. Thus cosmic evolution is  
towards Universes where complex and coherent structures emerge, including structures  
that harbor evolved forms of life-and the evolved forms of mind that are presumably  
always associated with evolved forms of life.  
 
“The whole picture is not limited to our own finite Universe; there is also a temporally  
(whether or not also spatially) infinite or quasi-infinite Metaverse. And life in the  
Metaverse need not end with the devolution of local Universes [such as our own]. While  
life in each local Universe must end, it can evolve again in the Universes that follow. If  
evolution in each local Universe starts with a clean slate, the evolution of life in local  
Universes is a Sisyphean effort; it breaks down and starts again from scratch, time after  
time. But local Universes are not subject to this ordeal. Each Universe in-forms the next  
Universe. Thus in each Universe life evolves further and further, toward coherence and  
complexity. Cosmic evolution is a cyclical process with a learning curve. Each Universe  
starts without life, evolves life when some planets become capable of supporting it, and  
wipes it out when planetary conditions pass beyond the life-supporting stage. But the  
vacuum shared by all the Universes is more and more informed, and it created more and  
more favorable conditions for the evolution of life. Cyclically progressive evolution in  
the Metaverse offers a positive prospect for the future of life: it can continue in one  
Universe after another. And it can evolve further and further, in Universe after  
Universe.”  
 
The universal law of evolution will allow the Nafs that were benefiting to their species  
and the whole Universe, develop further. The Nafs that were not benefiting, will not be  
part of further evolution and will remain in a state of stagnation, the state of Jahannam,  
the state of stagnation. In a sense they have been thrown out of the cosmic cycle and  
thrown into the cosmic garbage dump, Jahannam, which, as said before, was the name of  
the old garbage dump of Jerusalem.  
 
Robert Briffault again:  
 
Page 93. Science and the Akashic Field by Ervin Laszlo, 2007 2nd edition. The Metaverse is a term used  
for the the level of the vacuum where Universes are created in. It is the foundation for the Universes that  
are created within the Quantum Vacuum. Our present Universe is a Universe existent within the Metaverse,  
probably together with several other Universes unknown to us. When our Universe stops existing, all the  
information generated by our Universe is present within the Quantum Vacuum, and this information will be  
the basis for the new Universe created within the Metaverse. So each new Universe will have more and  
more information until it reaches a form of completion and perfection. This is what the Quran calls Jannah,  
a state of growth and God is called Rabb, the Developer to perfection, and He has made the Universe in  
such a way that it will reach ultimate coherence and perfection.  
 
“In the natural scale, that action is good which contributes to the process of human  
development, that act is evil which tends to impede, retard, oppose that process: that  
individual life is well deserving which is in the direct line of that evolution, that is futile  
which lies outside the course of its advance; that is Condemned which endeavours to  
oppose the current. That is the natural, the absolute and actual standard of moral values.  
Nature does not value the most saintly and charitable life which brings no contribution  
to human growth, as much as a single act which permanently promotes the evolution of  
the race. The only measure of worth of which nature takes any account– by perpetuating  
it–is the contribution offered towards the building tip of a higher humanity.”  
 
21:47 We will set up the scales of justice on the Era of Resurrection, and no person will be  
wronged in the least. Though the good or evil be of the weight of a mustard seed, We will  
bring it forth. We are Sufficient for reckoning and none can take account as We do.  
 
7:8-9 The scales on that Day will be truly equitable. Those whose constructive deeds are  
heavy, will prosper. And those whose scales are light, will be the ones who have put their  
own ‘self’ in loss. This is because they used to replace Our revelations with man-made  
dogmas.  
 
23:102-103 Then those whose scales (of good deeds) are heavy, they are the successful. And  
those whose scales are light, it is those who have wasted their own ‘self’, and abide in  
Jahannam, the state where further development is no more possible.  
 
As we can see in the above verses, and the points made in step 21, it is clear not one  
single deed will be ignored and forgotten. The Qur’an gives these laws which operate the  
judgment system which will determine if a person is fit for further evolution:  
 
• Every human action affects his own Self (6:164). His deeds are recorded by the  
Universal Forces, Malikah, constantly into the Umm Al-Kitaab, the Divine  
datebase which is called the Quantum Field/Vacuum by scientists (21:47, 99:7-6,  
78:29, 82:10-12).  
 
• The Self is also affected by hidden and unfulfilled desires or intentions as these  
are the foundations for further actions not committed (40:19).  
 
• Only Allah knows how much credit or discredit is to be given to a particular act.  
(53:32), but the benefiting deeds outweigh the harmful ones by 10 to 1 (6:160).  
And God’s Rahma, all the resources for further development, is the reason for our  
creation, and this will also weigh, He has created us for further development, this  
is His driving thought behind our creation, and this will decide how His law of  
judgment will work:  
 
11:119 Save him on whom your Developer of all your stages of evolution has given  
His Rahma, His continuous nourishment; and for that He did create them.  
 
• When the new Universe is created, to determine the level of evolution (Jannah),  
or non-evolution (Jahannam), all the actions will be weighed. Those whose  
balance of good and constructive deeds are in the majority (is heavier) will evolve  
further, but those whose balance goes against them (is lighter) are the ones who  
have harmed themselves by their willful rejection of Allah's Message and will be  
in a state of non-evolution (7:8-9).  
 
• As the system is fair and based on your personal development, no one would be  
able to help any other, nor any intercession is allowed (2:123).  
 
• No action would go un-recompensated (3:25).  
 
• Everyone will get the consequence of his own deeds. (7:147, 52:16, 37:39,  
45:28).  
 
• Absolute and full justice will be done, and no one will be dealt with unjustly, as  
the selection is made by laws and not by emotions (16:111, 40:17, 39:70).  
 
• No one will be able to transfer his good or bad deeds to others – every person will  
be judged on their own contributions or harm to one’s Self or others (2:286,  
6:105, 6:165, 10:108, 13:17, 17:7, 17:15, 27:40, 27:92, 29:6, 31:12, 35:18, 39:41,  
45:15).  
 
Muslim scholar and philosopher Ghulam A. Parwez:  
Will and action are of paramount importance for the development of the self and,  
therefore, for its survival too. Will and action are really aspects of the same process.  
Action is "will actualised" and will is latent action. It has been truly said "no will, no  
action," but the reverse is also true "no action, no will." Only a free self possesses "will"  
in this sense, and only such a self can perform actions which have relevance to survival.  
Animals act under the compulsion of instinctive urges and without foresight of the results  
of their actions. They, therefore, cannot be credited with will as we understand it. In the  
same way, the activities of the animal are not actions. An action is that which has been  
deliberately chosen by a free self and has been voluntarily performed by it. The free self  
expresses itself in action and holds itself responsible for it. Without freedom and  
responsibility, action, in this restricted sense, is not possible. These facts about "will and  
action" have a direct bearing on the question of survival. Man is the product of a long  
evolutionary process.  
 
This process does not stop at any point, but continues indefinitely. At a certain stage,  
man becomes an active participant in it and through his free will and purposeful activity  
determines, within certain limits, both the speed and the direction of evolutionary  
process. This process which has been at work in the world for untold aeons is now  
transformed into something far more rational and meaningful. It also becomes more  
dependent on its material, i.e., humanity through which it working. The primitive  
organisms were moulded and shaped by natural force, so as to be fit for the next stage in  
evolution. It was a long and painful process in which the unfit were ruthlessly weeded out  
and the fit were permitted to flourish. Man cannot now depend on natural forces to  
mould him and make him fit for the next stage. He must do the higher stage on which he  
is to enter. His self is not changed by natural forces nor even by random activity. It is  
changed only by his moral activity, his freely chosen and voluntarily performed actions.  
If, through right actions, he has rendered himself fit for the next stage in "the gradual  
ascent," he enters Jannah or paradise, as each plane of existence must appear to  
someone coming from a lower one.  
 
On the other hand, a man who is unfit, feels anguish and misery at the sight of good  
things he cannot enjoy, of opportunities he cannot avail of, of a glorious life just beyond  
his reach. He is in Hell. As already stated, Heaven and Hell are not localities but states  
of mind. However, as a state of mind is transitory, it is not a suitable term. Heaven  
(Jannah) stands for fruition coupled with glowing home for the future. Hell (Jahannam)  
is the experience of frustration tinged with remorse and regret. The person who permits  
his self to weaken, stagnates and becomes perverted. He languishes in a state between  
life and death. He does not live because life consists of upward movement of which he is  
incapable: he cannot die because remorse and frustrated desire prevent him from  
relinquishing his hold on life. Both the pleasure of existence and the insensibility of nonexistence  
are denied him. The Qur’an says about him, "Wherein he neither dies nor  
lives" (87: 13) All that he can do is to give expression to the remorse that gnaws at his  
vitals, "Oh! that I had sent something before hand for my life" (89 : 24). The inmates of  
Jannah, on the other hand, will give expression to their happiness in these words: "We  
shall not die any other than our first death" (37 : 57-58). They have successfully stood  
the test of death and they know that they will not be subjected to the same test again.  
Their eyes dwell on new vistas of self-development and the path which leads to them is  
illumines by the Divine light "running before them and on their right hand" (57: 12).,  
The materialists maintain : "There is no other than life in this world. We live and die and  
nothing destroys us but time" (45 : 24). The Qur’an, however tells us that we can rise  
much higher above the plane of Earth-rootedness and "pass out of the confines of the  
heavens and Earth" (55: 33), provided we develop the powers that are latent in us.”  
 
Every person, every species that will be selected to be part of this Universe is  
judged on their potential and contribution to their species and the Universal Evolution as  
a whole. Every person and species that did not fit the criteria will not be selected. This  
state of non-selection is also called Jahannam in the Qur’an. As you are literally thrown  
in the Universal garbage dump. The persons and species that are selected will emerge  
again in the new Universe through the process of Evolution (22:5) and will have far more  
abilities and potentials then in the first Universe. See how the verse clearly makes a  
connection between the creation in this Universe and the next. It makes clear that in the  
next Universe we will be created again through a developing system:  
 
22:5 O mankind! If you are in doubt that humanity will one day stand on its feet, and that  
you will be resurrected back to life after death, consider the process of your own evolution.  
We have created you in stages: From dust, then from male and female gametes, then from a  
zygote, then from an embryo, shapely and first shapeless. We thus clearly explain things  
for you. The embryo and then the fetus stay in the womb until an appointed term according  
to Our laws. Then We bring you forth as infants and carry you to maturity. While some of  
you die young, others live to the feeblest old age so that they know nothing after knowing  
much. (Resurgence of humanity can take place just as) you, O Prophet, see a dry barren  
land, but when We send down water on it, it vibrates with life and grows all kinds of  
beautiful plants.  
 
They will not fall back into war or misery as they have outgrown this learning phase, it is  
not possible for this newly evolved human to go against the harmony of the Universe.  
They will also not experience death as even if the Second Universe will collapse  
(11:107-108), they will move on to the next stage without pain or inconvenience, they  
are in a continues state of Jannah, everlasting growth and development. The persons that  
are in the state of Jahannam, several of these will maybe also move on to states of  
growth as in the state of Jahannam they have gained the status of being fit for further  
Evolution (11:107-108). But the rest will be lost and will burnout into non-existence  
when the second phase of the Universe has run its completion.  
 
44:56-57 True immortality! They do not taste death again after the first death. Thus will He  
save them from getting stuck at Jaheem, the Insurmountable Barrier where no progress is  
made. A bounty from your Developer of all your stages of evolution! That is the Supreme  
Triumph. [Rabb=Nourisher= Developer=To foster a thing from one stage to the other until it has  
reached its goal of completion]  
 
32:17 And no human being can imagine what blissful delights are kept hidden for them as a  
reward for what they used to do.  
 
Scientist and philosopher Ervin Laszlo:  
 
“What can we say about the super-evolved forms of life that would come about in the  
mature stages of mature Universes? Since the course of evolution is never predictable,  
we can actually say very little. All we can surmise is that mature organisms in mature  
Universes will be more coherent and complex than the forms of life familiar to us. In  
most other respects they could be as different from the organisms we know on Earth as  
humans are different from the protozoan slime that once populated the primeval seas of  
this planet.”  
 
29:20 Say, “Travel in the earth and find out how He originated creation. And how  
afterward, Allah brings forth entirely new forms. Verily, Allah is the Designer of all  
things.”  
 
1:2 All amazement and the resulting praise will be due to Allah, the Universal Force who  
has complete Authority, as He has given us the favor of Life and Freedom out of His own  
Choice. The Developer and Maintainer of the complete Creation, the Universes and all that  
they contain, and fosters these in their Development so they can reach its goal of  
Completion. The Determiner of the rules and Laws which will bring us into Perfection. The  
Sustainer of all Dimensions and the fabrics of Reality.  
 
 
Salamunalaikum.....................  
 
 
 

Comments by: moazzam On 30 May 2011
Dear Aastana Members! Walaqad yassarnal qurana lizzikr fa hal min muddakir.  
To seek the guidance from Alkitab, no deep scientific research is needed; rather universal principles/values could be used for legislation in the social laws of the societies, in each era.  
To understand the meanings from the Quranic text, we should take the help from grammars and lexicon.  
But TASREEF AL AYAT AND QASES normally plays vital role in understanding the message between the lines, while seeking GUIDANCE FROM ALKITAB.  
The context of the verse determines the sense of the term DUNYA OR AKHIRAH used in that particular place.  
It is pertinent to say that, each and every task has its specific results called DUNYA AND/OR AKHIRAH (makafat e Amal), here in this life (life before death).  
Remember we believe in life after death, which will be the utmost AKHIRAH,(where each individual will be rewarded/punished, but we can’t comprehend it.  
Mind! If we intermingle the makafat e amal (Akhirah) with the merely life after death(Akhirah),then all the Quranic message would be garbled.  
If suppose all members of the society collectively/ individually comprehend with the sense of MAKAFAT E AMAL, then PROSPERITY IN BOTH THE LIVES AUTOMATICALLY ASSURED.  
Otherwise no body can restrain the performance of religious rituals in any religion/sect (almost being practiced) .So keeping in view my humble opinions, if MAKAFAT E AMAL(in the life before death) may be written along with the HEREAFTER in the following sentence, then every thing will be in line with the quranic message.  
“So Quranic narration of Hayat al-Aakhira must mean the Hereafter, otherwise the whole Quranic system of reward and punishment will not stay credible at all” Aurungzaib  
 
 
 

Comments by: aurangzaib On 30 May 2011Report Abuse
Dear Sis Nargis,  
 
You said :  
 
“So Quranic narration of Hayat al-Aakhira must mean the Hereafter, otherwise the whole Quranic system of reward and punishment will not stay credible at all. Aurungzaib  
 
dear brother, is this your own observation/ theory or is it written in the Quran? “  
 
Aurangzaib says:  
 
It doesn’t matter whether it is my observation or whether it is written in Quran or not. It is a matter of principle (and you have been a great advocate of this principle recently) that …….. “what Quran says has to be proved by facts”.  
 
In this world, we do not see Quranic discipline of reward and punishment coming into effect, whereas Quran lays the entire foundations of its teachings on this discipline. So let us prove the Quranic discipline as a true discipline by substantiating it with its right interpretations. Only science can dictate the right interpretation at this stage of our evolution, because we have developed a tendency not to agree with each other’s thoughts and are slaves to our mindset and to our convictions. Of course, there is a wealth of verbal logic that can be employed in support of our convictions. However, Science is science and it can smash verbal logic with proven facts and empirical studies.  
 
I would suggest you kindly step forward and demand “scientific Proofs” of the Hereafter. It will be precisely in line with your recent demands.  
 
We have to stop taking LIFE materially. It is the body that is material. LIFE is a conscious unit which is indestructible and has eventually to develop into a higher stage of consciousness where it would remain eternally.  
 
H------o-------p-----e…&.... p---r---a---y....... I……have…..made……myself……clear…..to brilliant …Nargis (1) and Nargis (2), etc..  
 
Good day.  

Comments by: aurangzaib On 30 May 2011Report Abuse
Dear Brother Moazzam,  
 
No objections at all in accepting your suggestion.  
I can gladly add MOKAAFAAT-E-AMAL in the sentence.  
 
Good day to you.

Comments by: aurangzaib On 30 May 2011Report Abuse
Dear Brother Pervaiz,  
 
Thanks for your post.  
 
I would humbly bring to your notice the double standard in our lines of thinking? You know that majority of Quranists have all along been saying that Quran depicts scientific facts that can't be disproved. Quran goes along with science. No Quranic fact goes against Science.  
 
And now when the same science comes to rescue Quranic facts, we run away from it. We are afraid that scientific facts may prove something against our convictions!!! And we forget that we have been demanding material "PROOFS of what Quran says"!!!  
 
I can only feel sorry for this display of inconsistency in our theories.

Comments by: Junaid On 30 May 2011Report Abuse
Salaam;  
 
Comments by: Saad Haider On 30 May 2011  
**(if changez khan would believe in life after death, had he not done what he had done ??? can anyone have prove that he will be getting punished right now or have been punished or woule be punished at dooms'day???????? )**  
 
Dear Saad Haider, There are many people who still believe in life after death yet they do all the bad works in this world. Do you think it is strange if Changez Khan would've done all that killing, despite having faith in afterlife?  
 
No one knows what happened to Changez Khan after he died and his body got decomposed. No one can prove whether he is being punished right now or not. However one thing is quite apparent and can easily be proved without any effort. The nation of Changez Khan, "the Mongols" have lost their identity today, they are living an isolated life and no one knows much about them in today's world. Can it be MOKAAFAAT-E-AMAL, that the nation is paying for it's deeds in the past?  
 
Probably the same concept applies to all the great nations that existed in the past. You can take example of the Greeks, the Great Roman Empire, the Persian Empire. What happened to the nation of Alexander the Great? Where is it today? What happened to the Great Indian Empire of Ashoka? What happened to the Great Muslim Empire? Where is the might? And what happened to the Great Mughal Empire? Where are they today?  
Look at the British Empire, the kingdom of Great Britain which was spread throughout the world. Where did it go?  
Where is the Great soviet Empire? And soon our next generations will be talking to each other about the Great US Empire that once existed! In my personal opinion, this is called MUKAFAAT-E AMAL.  
 
I must say once again that it's not the individuals who matter, rather it's humanity as a whole which actually matters. According to my meager research, Humanity itself is divided into three categories;  
 
One consists of truthful individuals having positive mentality, flexible attitude and who posses creative minds, Those who stand for their rights and the rights of others, a bunch of selfless individuals who work for humanity as a whole. Individuals having courage to say wrong as wrong and right as right, those who keep struggling and never give up. It is these people who deserve a continuation (as per my understanding).  
 
Second category is of those individuals who are deeply influenced by the elements of greed and selfishness, and they love wealth and power. It is these people who are causing all the aggression, suppression and tyranny in this world and it is these individuals who love to subjugate people. As per my understanding, these people too deserve a continuation and that too in a continuous miserable state.  
 
Then comes the third category which includes those individuals who spend all their lives selfishly, trying to stay away from hardship. It is these people who surrender to the tyrants and oppressors and never retaliate, giving them a chance to fulfill their evil desires. These are the dumb, deaf and blind people, the silent majority, who actually deserve no continuation. (Again it is as per my meager understanding).  
 
CONCLUSION: We can run but we can't hide, from the responsibility. The real task assigned to us is to strive and implement a system of justice on this earth, where there should be instant reward and punishment, where every individual should get invariable access to basic necessities of life and where everyone gets equal opportunities to avail the fruits of nature.  
If we can't see it happening, then it's entirely our fault. And it simply means we have failed as mankind to attain the qualities, such as AL-RAHMAN, AL-SALAAM, AL-MOMIN, AL-ADAL, AL-HAKAM, AL-MUQEET and AL-HASSEB.  
 
Now it's up to you that which category of humanity you want to choose for yourself :)  

Comments by: pervez On 30 May 2011Report Abuse
Dear Aurangzeb,  
 
I fully agree with you. I have long been thinking why Allama Iqbal talked so much about "Akel" and  
"Ishq". Allama Pervez also criticized him on this account in his book , Tassaf ki hakikat" Allah also  
mentions about hearts which turn blind. I need not think on the issue of life after death. It is a conviction  
deeply rooted in my heart. I usually express my disappointment with scholars because I feel mostly  
they have blind hearts.  
 
I am now convinced that Allama Iqbal was right when he said,  
 
Ishk nai mooj sai kaha akel hai tukhmeen-o-zen  
Band-i-tukhmeeno zen kerm-i-kitabi na bun  
Akel sirapa hijab, Ishq sirapa huzoor.  
 
and  
 
Ishk ki ik just nai teh ker dia qissa tumam  
Iss zameen-o-asman ko baikaran samja tha mai.  
 
I know most of the people here will not like what I am writing but frankly speaking I am fed up with  
"Akel prests" with blind hearts. Akel only serves your heart. your desires. Tell me why we are not  
using our Akel to prove life after death, why to disproof? Our hearts have gone blind my friend.  
Allama Pervez was not correct in criticizing Allama Iqbal. I am deeply impressed by him.  
 
What are we going to tell our children, a dying man who suffered so much in life in the way of Allah.  
A soldier in the battle field. That your Allah can't do justice. Your life has ended so tragically. Is it  
beauty or ugliness. I need a God who is just. Who doesn't leave me in distress and betray me.  
Allah who loves. Show me that book. I don't want Allah who has designed only this material world  
and wants me to enjoy here and has sent a book for that purpose only. I want eternity. Show me  
that GOD and his book. For this life there are billions of books. People say we believe in life after  
death but Allah has not talked about it. I ask if it is truth, science is proving ,why Allah didn't give this  
news to humanity in his last message. Is not book of our creator? Is it not divine? Is it a man's work?  
who couldn't think and comprehend what science is proving today. What are we looking for with our  
intellectual capacities?  
 
Dear Aurangzeb, I am very glad with you. Please carry on with your research. But I can assure you  
people will still oppose you even if you show them life after death physically. Let them call me Mullah  
Pervezi what they feel like but I disassociate myself from them. . I haven't given it a second reading,  
please forgive me for language mistakes.

Comments by: Damon On 30 May 2011Report Abuse
Salaam Respected Aastana Family,  
 
DEAR AURANGZAIB,  
 
Please forgive my intrusion into your conversation with Nargis and others here, but I wish to point out that you have once again made an attempt to "manipulate" the thinking processes and conclusions of this debate by using "assertive language". I will post something that you said to show you what I mean:  
 
(Aurangzaib) - Hereafter is the most important Quranic theory. Upon it is based the whole Quranic system of reward and punishment; virtues and evils; Jannat and Jahannum; eternity or annihilation. In the life of “this world” (Hayat ad-Dunya), we do not see the application of this Quranic statement. Chengis Khan died comfortably in his bed in Royal Luxury and Splendour, after peacefully distributing his vast empire equally among his three sons. Was buried royally as per his wishes. He had devastated hundred thousands of miles of vast territories and had murdered in cold blood many millions of human populations majority of them innocent civilians. In this world, he did not suffer a pinch of Divine Punishment.  
 
(Damon) - The purpose of this discussion (which has taken center stage on this blog) is to look at The Quran and use grammar, lexicons, tasreeful ayat and LOGIC to determine the actual meanings and connotations of such terms as "Hayatul Dunya", Jahannum" and "Jenna". But you continue to make statements such as...  
 
"Hereafter is the most important Quranic theory. Upon it is based the whole Quranic system of reward and punishment"...  
 
Please correct me if I am misinterpreting your statements, but it appears to me that you are stating YOUR CONVICTIONS as if they are agreed upon and undeniable QURANIC FACTS. If they were agreed upon and undeniable quranic facts, we would not be having this discussion and debate.  
 
Another statement that was made by you is as follows:  
 
(Aurangzaib) - So Quranic narration of Hayat al-Aakhira "MUST" mean the Hereafter, otherwise the whole Quranic system of reward and punishment will not stay credible at all  
 
(Damon) - Dear Brother, you are once again using that word "must". I have pointed this out to you a week ago in another thread if you can recall. I am having a hard time understanding how you can make the claim that the quranic narrations of Hayatul Akhira "MUST" mean the hereafter otherwise the entire quranic system crumbles WITHOUT presenting the agreed upon quranic evidence to support this claim. Where is the QURANIC study and research to substantiate your claims and convictions?  
 
This is NOT an attack on you or anyone else brother, but I have always believed that it makes for bad scholarship when someone makes statements "as if they are obvious and widely agreed upon" and using such words as "must" and "obviously". And when I see those types of statements I automatically get the feeling (please correct me and forgive me if I'm wrong) that the person making the statements is attempting to "conclude" the discussion while manipulating the "conclusions" and "consensus" of the discussion as well. In other words, it almost makes it look as though that person is saying..."you people HAVE to see it the way I see it and then we can move on to something else"...  
 
Now I would like to address something specific in your convictions by looking at the following statement you have made...  
 
(Aurangzaib) - In this world, we do not see Quranic discipline of reward and punishment coming into effect, whereas Quran lays the entire foundations of its teachings on this discipline. So let us prove the Quranic discipline as a true discipline by substantiating it with its right interpretations.  
 
(Damon) - I agree with the notion that the quranic ideology rests on the idea of punishment and reward. Where you and I differ is that the punishment and reward are here and now. You and I have had this conversation before, but WE are being PUNISHED RIGHT NOW because we HAVE NOT implemented the quranic society anywhere on this earth and the evil elites of this world are being REWARDED for THEIR EFFORTS by living in well guarded Palaces, White Houses, Mansions and Presidential suites and eating well, having all the things that they can possibly want and feel no hunger. THEY OWN US!!! THAT is THEIR reward and at the same time it is OUR punishment. This life is all about the struggle between right and wrong, good and evil, rich and poor, CAIN and ABEL (I am being metaphorical now :-)  
 
But the point is the evil and corrupt elite of this world WORK and PUT FORTH THE PROPER EFFORTS to obtain what they want and to live how they wish to live. Hence, REWARD. We as non elites and lowly subjects of the elites also want to live comfortably and to not starve and to live how we wish to live. The difference is that we DO NOT work and PUT FORTH THE PROPER EFFORTS to balance the scales and establish Freedom, Justice and Equality in the land. Hence, PUNISHMENT. Like it or don't like it, agree with it or disagree with it but that is LIFE in a nutshell and it will not change until you adopt the proper attitude and STOP waiting and hoping for "Divine" reward and punishment in the "Hereafter".  
 
Now you said that you want to "prove the Quranic discipline as a true discipline by substantiating it with its right interpretations." WHAT is the right interpretations and HOW do you arrive at that right interpretations? I will say right now that it is not reached by saying something is "obviously" this or "must" mean that. This will not cut it.  
 
(Aurangzaib) - Only science can dictate the right interpretation at this stage of our evolution, because we have developed a tendency not to agree with each other’s thoughts and are slaves to our mindset and to our convictions.  
 
(Damon) - I agree that we human beings tend to to be trapped in our convictions and mindset but I thoroughly disagree that only science can "DICTATE" the right interpretation. First of all, we should not seek to "dictate" as that is no different than "manipulating". Secondly, some people can be trapped in their convictions even when there is enough evidence to show that their conviction is faulty or has flaws. There is a difference between the color black and the color navy blue, but if a person wants to believe a navy blue shirt is actually black, then that person's conviction can prevent him from realizing otherwise even if a navy blue shirt and a black shirt are presented to him side by side.  
 
The problem that I am having with your position is that it reflects a religious and "defeatist" attitude. We have failed to do the proper works and FIGHT to clean up the garbage that we keep allowing to pile up and instead of taking "responsibility" for our predicament in life and our lack of effort, some people just give up and preach "divine" reward and punishment in the hereafter. It is this religious and defeatist mindset which keeps the "Religions" and the corrupt ruling elites in positions of power. People just "don't get it". And because people aren't getting it, the vicious saga continues.  
 
But Mr. Aurangzaib I am curious about one thing. I am curious as to why you cannot let go of this debate and accept that some people here simply do not agree with your convictions of the interpretations of Hayatul Dunya, Hayatul Akhira, Jahannum and Jenna? Why do you feel the need to make everyone else here see it the way you see it? Do you not realize that you are actually trying to impose your understanding on everyone else? And for what reason? Do we not have much bigger fish in the water that we should be trying to catch? This topic has taken center stage at aastana and it is MAINLY due to the fact that there are people here who cannot seem to let it go and move on to more important aspects of our overall mission. While we are here trying to convince one another of our respective convictions on the Hayatul Dunya issue, the corrupt elites could care less HOW we choose to waste our own time because they will continue to DO what they need to do to keep this world dirty and corrupt. And we are continuing to allow the "garbage to pile up" and then complain that it is too much for us to handle and say that we cannot see the quranic reward and punishment in the world, it MUST take place in the "Hereafter", etc. I personally feel that it is quite ridiculous.  
 
Those of you here who feel as though the blind belief in the religious idea of the hereafter should be a central theme in a program of social reform should know that during the 1960's part of the success of the "Nation of Islam" movement spearheaded by Elijah Mohammed and Malcolm X was that they taught the African American people (those who were suffering the worst under these "pharoanic" conditions) that Heaven and Hell are right here on earth and exist in this present life and that we can only attain heaven on earth if we obtain the proper "conviction" and WORK to ESTABLISH IT!! And to sit back and do nothing and continue to "pray" and wait and hope for "Divine" retribution will KEEP them in their conditions of squalor, sub standard living conditions and lack of freedom, dignity, justice and equality. Malcolm was always very good at pointing out that a belief in "divine" retribution in the hereafter is a blind and vain belief that no one has ever provided proof for and that we would be "FOOLS" to willingly live our lives in bad conditions in hopes of something better when you die...WHEN YOU DIE!! I really want you all to think about that. The reason the Nation of Islam no longer wield the type of power and influence they once had during the 60's is because they have adopted tenents of traditional islam in their overall philosophy AND they no longer have a leader who is willing to draw that line in the sand.  
 
I wish to reiterate brother Aurangzaib that I am not attacking you, but I made sure I chose my words carefully so as to get my points across the way I wanted them to.  
 
Also, I wish to say that I fully and 100% agree with Brother Moazzam's "Brilliant" post that he made. I couldn't have said it better.  
 
And lastly, I have noticed that many people have pointed that there are (and were) people who believe in the hereafter and yet commit atrocious acts. I have read the many reasons and views that aastana members gave to explain why this happens. The reason I like to offer is because the hereafter and the destiny after death (in spite of what human beings are taught about it) is STILL a mystery. And because it's a msytery, we do not have anything concrete to let us know EXACTLY what will happen once we cross the bridge from life to death.  
 
BUUUUUT..........  
 
We can verify that most human beings curb their behavior because they are aware of WORLDLY punishment and reward. A WORLDLY endevor is going to University and a WORLDLY reward for such a thing is a degree which leads to a good job, which leads to a nice house and a nice car, and a happy, healthy family, health and dental insurance, etc.  
 
Another WORLDLY endevour is bank robbery and a WORLDLY punishment for such a thing is to spend a significant amount of one's life as a guest of honor at one of Uncle Sam's prisons. Now here's the thing. It is actually much, much easier, less expensive and less time consuming to get a gun and rob a bank. But it is more difficult, more time consuming and much more expensive to secure the money needed to spend a significant anmount of years at the University to attain a college degree. Now ask yourselves WHY we have more people struggling to get through college than we have people just walking into a bank and telling them to fill the bags up?  
 
An even better question....how much MORE bank robberies and how much LESS university entrants would there be if there were no WORLDLY punishment of imprisonment for armed robberies?  
 
Brother Aurangzaib brought up the idea of using "science" to support our respective convictions of this debate. We can all conduct a "scientific" experiment and ask random people (who have never robbed a bank before) WHY they have never attempted to rob a bank with a gun. We can ask them if it was the "fear of hell" or the "fear of imprisonment" that compelled them not to attempt a bank robbery.  
 
THEN.......we can ask these child molesting priests and imams how they could do what they are doing to these children even though they supposedly believe in a so-called "hellfire" in the hereafter.  
 
I really hope you all get my point I'm trying to make with my above scenarios. And I am still waiting for that person who was dead for a while and was actually buried in the ground to "scientifically" come back and tell us what it's like once we cross the bridge from life to death. Until that happens, I believe it is an exercise in futility to continue to argue back and forth over something NONE OF US can prove either way.  
 
My final questions to you all. WHO is ready to try and establish a Quranic society somewhere and WHAT are you willing to do to establish it????????????????????????????????  
 
Fi'amanillah,  
Damon.

Comments by: Junaid On 30 May 2011Report Abuse
Salaam;  
 
Brother Damon Your Question:  
**(My final questions to you all. WHO is ready to try and establish a Quranic society somewhere and WHAT are you willing to do to establish it????)  
 
I would like to mention that I am ready to try it anywhere, anytime, and I am willing to do almost anything for it !!!  
 
As a matter of fact, It is not an easy task and we require a proper plan or a line of action, which needs to be discussed thoroughly. I would request you to please start a new thread and I am quite hopeful that those who are interested, will join us in this discussion.  
Right now, we are not sure whether any such plan would succeed or not, however I do expect that we can at least initiate a thought process for our later generations to carry on.

Comments by: Dr. Qamar Zaman On 30 May 2011
میرے انتہائی محترم ممبران  
میں نے ایک گزارش کی تھی کہ ہر شخص جو بعثت بعد الموت پر یقین رکھتا ہے یا نہیں رکھتا ہے وہ جو بھی آیت پیش کرے گا تو یہ میری ذمًہ داری ہے کہ میں اس کا سادہ ترجمہ پیش کرون گا اور اس کے سیاق وسباق کو دیکھ کر ممبران سے گزارش ہوگی کہ اس کے بعد قرآن کی بنیاد پر فیصلہ کریں کہ حقیقت کیا ہے۔  
لیکن بحث سائنس اور اس کے ذریعے بعث بعدالموت کو ثابت کرنے یا نہ کرنے اور سائنس کی اہمیت پر ہونے لگی۔  
میری ایک مرتبہ پھر گزارش ہے کہ بعث بعد الموت کو ثابت کرنے کے لئے صرف اور صرف قرآن تک محدود رہیں تاکہ میں قرآن سے جواب دے سکوں۔  
بہت بہت شکریہ  
آپ کا مخلص ۔۔۔۔ڈاکٹر قمر زمان
 

Comments by: moazzam On 30 May 2011
Dear Junaid, Brother Damon ! **(My final questions to you all. WHO is ready to try and establish a Quranic society somewhere and WHAT are you willing to do to establish it????) (Damon)  
 
I would like to mention that I am ready to try it anywhere, anytime, and I am willing to do almost anything for it !!! (Junaid)  
 
You both are worried about the proper place to establish the Islamic state.  
Let me identify the following place, where you have to root out the evil first (badsha salamat ???):  
 
SHAITANIROOHISTAN BIN BINTE -SON-OF-MUNAFIQERICA  
 
The quote of badshah salamat is given under.  
I know you dont want to talk to badshah salamat.

Comments by: Nargis-Badshah-Salamat On 30 May 2011Report Abuse
Brother Damon, let me try to translate what Dr Qamar said, because he wrote in Urdu. He said in medium spring lime green:  
 
My most respected members  
I hoped that everyone who believes in resurrection, life after physical death would present ayas they think are supporting their conviction or those who have another view may present ayas they think support their conviction. Then it is my responsibility to translate the ayas and people can reflect and ponder once more before they make up a conclusion.  
 
But the discussion leads on to science and proving life after death through science. I humbly request you all to stick to the Quran so I can give an answer through the Quran.  
 
Thank you very much ‘  
Sincerely Dr Qamar Zaman
 
 
I’m sure he wanted to add Nargis- Badshah- Salamt is always right, even when she is wrong, and don’t be harsh on her, otherwise  
 
 
 
 
 

Comments by: dawood On 30 May 2011Report Abuse
Dear Brs. and Srs, SA: Those of you who are interested to find “How did the Prophet Prove or Disprove the life-after-death to his people?” please consider my two cents on this.  
 
1. What kind of PROOF is needed? “A proof “or “the proof.” Should this be a logical reasoning of some sort or a mathematical proof like a mathematical theorem is proven? Once you have settled on this, please read on according to the proof you desire.  
2. How did the prophet prove the existence of Allah to his people? Can anyone do this today?  
3. How did the prophet prove that he is indeed the messenger of Allah to his people? Can anyone do this today?  
4. How did the prophet prove to his people that this book, alquran is indeed revealed to him from Allah? Can anyone do this today?  
5. How did the prophet prove to his people that this book contains “Guidance?” Can anyone do this today?  
6. How did the prophet prove to his people that if they follow his recipe they would create a paradise on earth and they would abide in it forever? Can anyone do this today? One could go on and on…  
My point in writing this is not to insult anyone’s intelligence, rather to highlight that this endeavor to prove or not to prove would not get us anywhere.  
 
Secondly, if my understanding is right, then Quran categorically points in the direction that good or bad actions no matter how small would result in a reward or a punishment, respectively. Do we observe this empirically in our day-to-day lives? Can anyone prove beyond a shadow of doubt that it happened in the past to all people and would continue to happen in the future to all people? To my humble understanding this did not happen to all people in the past and is not likely to happen to all people in the future. This leaves me with the following: Either (i) the quranic declaration is not right, or (ii) my understanding about this declaration is not right, or (iii) there is someplace somewhere beyond my comprehension at this stage where the quranic declaration would definitely be fulfilled. I rule out the # (i) above because of my conviction that the Quranic declaration is indeed true. If my understanding is right, then # (iii) would be true according to the empirical evidence mentioned above. If #(ii) is true then I need to probe it further as to what are the exact meanings of the verses that talk about the “reward and punishment?”  

Comments by: Mubashir Syed On 30 May 2011Report Abuse
Dear Saad Haider, Not sure if below link is what you requested for……..am pasting Dr QZ’s comment from below link but not sure if it makes difference to those who don’t wanna come out of preconceived ideas.  
 
http://aastana.com/blog/aastanablog.asp?QID=705  
 
Dr QZ’s comment on above link for aaya 2 : 28  
 
28. How can You disbelieve In Allâh? Seeing that You were dead and He gave You life. Then He will give You death, Then again will bring You to life (on the Day of Resurrection) and Then unto Him You will return. (usual translation )  
 
This verse clearly says  
!.., We were dead  
2.., He gave us life  
3.., He will make us dead again  
4.., then again he will make us alive  
5.., Then unto him we will return .  
 
Except for the second and third stage all other stages can neither be confirmed by any observation supported by statistical evidences or by knowledge from the past .  
 
Even second and third stage is controversial for some . If we are supposed to believe blindly then there is no point in going into all this cumbersome exercise. If we have to accept some faiths blindly then why not all of it .  
 
I agree with Adnan M Khan that :  
"There is no one we know of who has returned to us and told us about life after death ".  
 
I am sure more than anything that ,  
QURAN DOES’NT TALK OF THOSE THINGS WHICH CANT BE PROVED OR ARE BEYOND OUR COPREHENSION OR UNDERSTANDING  

Comments by: aurangzaib On 31 May 2011Report Abuse
Brother Dawood,  
 
Very well said indeed. Very rational and methodical analysis really.

Comments by: Saad Haider On 31 May 2011Report Abuse
Thanx a lot Mr. Mubashir: Now all can go through the comments passed by Respected Dr. Sb.  
 
I agree with Adnan M Khan that :  
"There is no one we know of who has returned to us and told us about life after death ".  
 
I am sure more than anything that ,  
QURAN DOES’NT TALK OF THOSE THINGS WHICH CANT BE PROVED OR ARE BEYOND OUR COPREHENSION OR UNDERSTANDING  
 
Brother Abdullahbeshob tussi ne tu pakka diya... enna wadda comments.....???????? tussi tu FAZOOL ho yaara...  
 
Brother Junaid: I AM WITH YOU...

Comments by: aurangzaib On 31 May 2011Report Abuse
Dear Brother Damon,  
 
I feel a close affinity with you therefore you can say anything to me that comes to your mind without hesitation. Please take my comments in the same way without reservations.  
 
Since according to Dr. Sahib’s advice, the parameters of our ongoing discussion have been limited to Quranic Verses alone, there is not much left to be said in connection with our differing views on the subject in question. I would only define some of the terms that you have apparently used about my writing.  
 
ASSERTIVE LANGUAGE:  
 
When one is discussing things and presenting his arguments against opposing arguments, one needs to assert his points by using certain words. Everyone has a right to assert his viewpoint. What will be a better example of ASSERTIVE LANGUAGE than these words coming out of your pen :-  
 
“Also, I wish to say that I fully and 100% agree with Brother Moazzam's "Brilliant" post that he made. I couldn't have said it better.”  
 
I hope you realize that this is an absolute and 100% assertion. Don’t I have a right to assert my point in this or any other way?  
 
ATTEMPT TO MANIPULATE THE THINKING PROCESSES……..  
 
I am sorry you got this impression! That’s a big blame that makes me ashamed.  
Logically, One who MANIPULATES must have a certain exclusive authority on other’s speech or writing. He must be able to shut people’s mouths or obstruct their writing skills. How can one MANIPULATE when scores of people are enjoying full rights to say in one’s face what they think of him and his opinions and theories? How many participants are engaged right now in passing derogatory remarks about Aastana and its working? Has anybody stopped them? How can one MANIPULATE when one is powerless?,,,,, and cannot even “TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION” under a bad situation; nor can he take things “UNDER CONTROL” and he “HAS A LOT TO LEARN WHEN IT COMES TO GETTING RID OF TROUBLE MAKERS”. These are all your words I am quoting. Kindly have a look at your own recent statement about the humble ineffectiveness of Aastana Exec. Members, and then please ponder upon the “big” sin of MANIPULATION you ascribe to one of them, in total contradiction of your recent statement:-  
 
DAMON:  
“ am very, very disappointed with aastana. I am deeply disappointed with the exec. Members for not taking appropriate action and have allowed this thread turn from bad to outright horrific.  
 
Dr. Qamar, Sister Maniza, Brother Adnan, etc and exec. Members, rather you acknowledge it or do not acknowledge it this thread definitely puts a stain on aastana’s image. There were ample opportunities long ago to get this thread under control and to give a certain person his walking papers and those opportunities (and indeed your duty) were not properly seized.  
 
I am deeply disappointed with this and this demonstrates that you all have a lot to learn when it comes to getting rid of trouble makers and keeping this blog as a learning institution and not be allowed to be turned into anybody’s playground.  
 
I really don’t know what else I can say than that I am saddened and extremely disappointed with the management/administration of this forum.  
Date : 20/05/2011  
========================================================“  
 
It is not MANIPULATION my dear friend, but Aastana’s humbleness and its vibrant democracy that allows you and others to write whatever they want to.  
 
But take care friend, your rights may not infringe upon similar rights enjoyed by humble Aastana Exec. Members. Please don’t object if they write “assertively” in favor of their ideology and their Quranic understanding. Just present your points “assertively”.  
 
I am sure you won’t take this seriously. I too note some peculiar things in your personality, but I don’t mention them even in a friendly way lest you should resent. You are a learned guy and your participation is much valued, particularly by me. You at times turn sentimental and threaten to leave our forum (at least twice) for no fault of ours. There is a past history where I had to continue trying my best to cool you down. May be I can advise you to adopt a little bit more objective stance on things that offend you.  
 
I am not at all offended. You still are dear to me. We all are human and we all make mistakes.  
 
Best wishes.  
 
 
 

Comments by: UmeAimon On 31 May 2011Report Abuse
Yes I think I like this arguement since no one has ever come and confirmd to us the life after death there is no reason for it to be in Quran ... only that as we wait for the proof we'll have to wait for the proof that all what has been "promised" that WILL happen according to Quran, will and have worked somewhere sometime(must not be past and must not be future!) Do we have such society, so we have something to look forward to before we risk our ALL for it. After all my only point is why should I? even though its very easy to say I can and will within comforts of my home when I can't even quit a job that supports all the wrong hands and systems.  
Please find some other logic.  
 
UmeAimon

Comments by: Knowledge seeker On 31 May 2011Report Abuse
Mr. Aurangzaib  
 
Discussion number, http://www.aastana.com/blog/aastanablog.asp?QID=1284  
 
Your reply to me was :-  
(Aurangzaib)To me, writing the word "probably" has always been a safe way to interprete Quran, and it gives the same meanings as "what I think" or "what I understand", because "my thinking" and "my understanding" cannot be the last and final. Tomorrow, some scholar may emerge with a more accurate interpretation and he might have so strong arguments in his favour that you may have to agree with him. As we all know, this situation is currently dominant in the Quranic circles and newer and novel explanations keep coming in.  
I do think "probably" is more humble than "what I understand", etc. because "I" again emphasizes your importance while "probably" is showing a passive possibility of accuracy without involving the subjective/personal sentiments.  
 
Now you say :-  
(Aurangzaib) - So Quranic narration of Hayat al-Aakhira "MUST" mean the Hereafter, otherwise the whole Quranic system of reward and punishment will not stay credible at all  
 
Now you say :-  
(Aurangzaib) ASSERTIVE LANGUAGE:  
When one is discussing things and presenting his arguments against opposing arguments, one needs to assert his points by using certain words. Everyone has a right to assert his viewpoint. What will be a better example of ASSERTIVE LANGUAGE than these words coming out of your pen :-  
“Also, I wish to say that I fully and 100% agree with Brother Moazzam's "Brilliant" post that he made. I couldn't have said it better.”  
I hope you realize that this is an absolute and 100% assertion. Don’t I have a right to assert my point in this or any other way? -  
======================================================  
May I ask you why your are saying two opposite things?  
 
1 (Aurangzaib) because "I" again emphasizes your importance while "probably" is showing a passive possibility of accuracy without involving the subjective/personal sentiments.  
2(Aurangzaib) one needs to assert his points by using certain words. Everyone has a right to assert his viewpoint.

Comments by: aurangzaib On 31 May 2011Report Abuse
Dear Knowledgeseeker,  
 
Your comments are noted.  
Since you asked, and since you don't feel happy if you are not answered, so kindly note that every word one uses belongs to a particular perspective and is to be seen, discussed and scrutinized in its relevant perspective.  
 
Brother Damon and I have a lot in common among us. We know and understand each other much better than you can know or think. We respect each other and would remain so whatever we discuss or debate between ourselves.  
 
You are welcome to be one of us, should you so desire.

Comments by: dawood On 31 May 2011Report Abuse
Dear Brs. and Srs., SA:  
 
I like this " .....I believe it is an exercise in futility to....NONE OF US can prove ... And we have a biger fish to catch ..." (it is cut and pasted from Br. DAMON's post(s))  
 
It dawned on me (after reading Br. Damon's post, thank you Damon) that my undersatnding about the "reward and punishment" along with the here-after fits well as per my empirical observation as long as I am talking about INDIVIDUALS. The same concept is problematic when applied to GROUPS, NATIONS? How would/could a nation be rewarded in the here-after? It seems the reward and punishment is in this world for nations.  
 
Since Quran is individual as well as collective guide, it may well be talking from both perspectives? Can someone please gather all the verses related to the term AAkhira, etc. along with the context and then help us to ponder over these terms keeping in view the concept of individual and/or nation?  
 
Br. Aurangzeb: Thanks for your comments. At least it made sense to someone -:)

Comments by: Damon On 31 May 2011Report Abuse
Dear Dr. Qamar (and my translator friend, Nargis),  
 
On the surface, Dr. Qamar's appeal to deal with this issue strictly on Quranic basis (without using science and evidence outside of the Quran) is actually THE logical approach to this debate. But I feel that it still will not solve the problems this particular debate brings because what grammatically, linguistically and logically makes more sense to interpret ayaat as dealing with this life for one side of this debate would grammatically, linguistically and logically make more sense to interpret these same ayaat as dealing with the hereafter for the other camp in this debate. This debate will never end and I am having a hard time understanding why the Respected Aastana members (who in my opinion represent the PINNACLE of bold and honest Quranic research) are willingly engaging in what has proved to be a never ending and "Heated" topic. Since joining Aastana I must say that this topic is the first topic I have come across here where blog members are not willing to agree to disagree and keep ressurrecting the same debate while KNOWING what lies ahead once the debate is back on. This is my humble opinion based on my observations of this topic and certain people who can't seem to get a grip and let this debate go and wish to make everyone else here see things through their eyes.  
 
Fi'amanillah,  
Damon.

Comments by: Knowledge seeker On 31 May 2011Report Abuse
Mr Aurangzaib  
You said - (aurangzaib) You are welcome to be one of us, should you so desire.  
 
One of who? I see two groups in aastana. Which one I join?  
Sorry I am not satisfied with your answer. Please tell me which way I go?  
1 (Aurangzaib) because "I" again emphasizes your importance while "probably" is showing a passive possibility of accuracy without involving the subjective/personal sentiments.  
2(Aurangzaib) one needs to assert his points by using certain words. Everyone has a right to assert his viewpoint.  

Comments by: Damon On 31 May 2011Report Abuse
Dear Aurangzaib Bhai,  
 
There is much said in your reply to me that I feel is a mixing of "apples and oranges". If I point those things out and express my assesment of those things, we could be locked in yet another senseless "bandying" of words, so I'll just let it go and let bygones be bygones. However, there is one thing that you said that I feel the need to address.  
 
(Aurangzaib) - I am sure you won’t take this seriously. I too note some peculiar things in your personality, but I don’t mention them even in a friendly way lest you should resent. You are a learned guy and your participation is much valued, particularly by me. You at times turn sentimental and threaten to leave our forum (at least twice) for no fault of ours. There is a past history where I had to continue trying my best to cool you down. May be I can advise you to adopt a little bit more objective stance on things that offend you.  
 
(Damon) - This is true. There is no denying it. You may think you know the reason I tend to react that way and just in case what you think is actually incorrect, I'll share with you and everyone here WHY I can react the way I do to some of the things that go in at Aastana.  
 
If you look at my entire track record here somethings should stand out about me. And those things are that if I feel that I know something and have the proper evidence to substantiate it, I present it. If I do not know something, I willingly admit that I do not know and try to find out with the brotherly and sisterly assistance of the other Aastana members here. I COME HERE TO LEARN! And I also come to benefit from what Dr. Qamar Saheb and the other members have to offer and to share what anyone here believes I have of any value to them.  
 
NOW...unlike some others here, I do not come here to play. I do not come here to be deliberatly disruptive. I am not here on a hidden agenda that the others here are unaware of.  
 
You pointed out the two times that I "threatened" to leave. But you did not provide the entire scenarios of both situations and I believe that an unfair picture is being painted of me by you doing so.  
 
The first situation, we had a guy who I was having a pretty heated debate with. The problem was the other guy (in my honest and most humble opinion) was merely stating that his position was correct and my position was incorrect. He demanded proofs, evidences and links to substantiate my position but refused to reciprocate when I asked him the same thing. He eventually brought up "some" research by "some" scholar to support his position. I did the same thing. He immediately said what I had brought was "dubious" but what he brought was NOT dubious. I asked him to explain why what I brought was dubious and why what he brought was not dubious. AGAIN, no reply to that request, he simply continued with his gameplan.  
 
I asked YOU if either Dr. Qamar or your great self would be willing to lay out some ground rules for the sake of fairness and "Beneficial" research and scholarship. I'm sure you remember what your reply was to that request. I finally decided to throw in the towel and gave the other person my word that I was bowing out with grace and the spirit of brotherhood and that I will cease to refute the things he was posting in that thread. Assoon as I did that is when the other person "Immediately" made a "TOUGH GUY" reply that put me in a position to either reply to him again (and go back on my word I have given him) or stay silent and make it look like I was scared puppy with his tail between his legs. It was a cowardly tactic that I definitely took offense to.  
 
The other situation (where you posted BITS and PIECES of my words from) is a thread that has been dismantled. YOU as an executive member have acces to that entire dismantled thread and instead of presenting the entire thread for all to see OR letting people know what the thread was about and what was going on, you choose to present "written sound bites". But that's okay. I'll tell very briefly what THAT was about as well.  
 
It is the thread where a participant here (and your friend I might add) turned this blog into a circus by using THREATS and ABUSIVE LANGUAGE...and he did this under multiple identities...even AFTER it has been revealed that he was using the multiple identities, he admitted to it and continued to post under the multiple identities as if he was adopting the split personality approach. And it was allowed to go on for quite some time.  
 
The one thing that both of those threads have in common (in my estimation) is that people can come here and waste people's time with nonsense and hidden agendas. I felt as though if certain things can happen in those two threads then it can happen throughout the entire blog in general because THERE ISN'T ANYTHING IN PLACE to curb that kind of behavior and keep Aastana as a serene and serious learning environment.  
 
So if you were thinking anything other than that (since you note some peculiar things in my personality) then it is incorrect. I admit I am somewhat "high strung" (I am told this all the time, so I know it's true :-P ), but that has to do with the fact that when Damon comes here, he is SERIOUS. He doesn't come here to play nor does he enjoy watching other people use this forum as their personal sitcom. If that is a crime and an unlikable characteristic, my apologies to everyone here. Please know that I am honest and sincere in all of my interactions with you all and that I have always meant well.  
 
By the way, I did not "threaten" to leave two times. The first time I actually just QUIT coming here. Some people here who really do mean alot to me had contacted me and gave me a stern talking to and I straightened up my act and came back to the forum (and was very HAPPY to be back I might add).  
 
But I have said something to Respected Dr. Qamar Saheb in the past. It was true then and it is true today. My ceasing to post on the blog has NOTHING to do with my admiration and FULL SUPPORT of Dr. Qamar Saheb and the Aastana Mission and Vision. I do believe I can contribute and support in other ways that do not require posting on the blog. So I have reached a mental state to where it no longer means anything to me either way to be here.  
 
Just so you know Aurangzaib I have noted your words to me in all earnest and it gives me alot to ponder on and to reexamine my character and my temperament. I do want to reiterate it is not because I want things my way or that I wish for Aastana to cater to my desires. It is simply because I enjoy Aastana as a TRUE learning environment and get weary (and I guess you can say "high strung" :-), when I see people trying to make Aastana into a "Free-Minds.Org" style environment.  
 
No Hard Feelings Aurangzaib.  
 
Good Day Kind Sir,  
Damon.

Comments by: Damon On 31 May 2011Report Abuse
(Dawood) - It dawned on me (after reading Br. Damon's post, thank you Damon) that my undersatnding about the "reward and punishment" along with the here-after fits well as per my empirical observation as long as I am talking about INDIVIDUALS. The same concept is problematic when applied to GROUPS, NATIONS? How would/could a nation be rewarded in the here-after? It seems the reward and punishment is in this world for nations.  
 
(Damon) - You are thanking me but it is I who should be thanking you because you not only understand the difference between individual reward/punishment in the hereafter and reward/punishment of groups and nations in this world, but you have explained the concept so simply and yet so concretely in a way that I have failed to do so myself. And I wish to add that your last two posts in this thread were absolutely amazing and reflect a rational and studious thinking process.  
 
Fi'amanillah.  
 
Take Care Respected Aastana Family,  
Damon.

Comments by: aurangzaib On 31 May 2011Report Abuse
Dear Brother Damon,  
 
Your brother Aurangzaib is a greater admirer now of your honesty and straightforward Quranic attitude after reading your last post. Hopes you will not forget that he was with you all along that thread we worked together with Brother Badar. He only tried to pacify some aggressive sentiments on both sides.  
 
I would never mention that episode as a complaint against you or any other brother. I was solely clarifying my position of a conciliator rather than a 'manipulator'. I try my best to remain impartial, chances of mistakes excepted. My serious, direct, formal, matter of fact style of writing, which I try to keep in line with a little bit of literary paradigm, may sometimes create an aura of authority according to some friends, but I can assure all I never mean that.  
 
About that ugly thread, again, I mentioned your wordings to show only the most liberal and free choice given to every participant to say things they wish to . BUT, between you and me, I totally stand with you on that stand of yours. I too would like to take stern action against abusive and insinuating language and give a direct ticket to such people to go away. But, my friend, all such efforts on my part have gone waste in their very beginning phase. Our management, as well as some of our own friends, have always openly opposed any blockings or bannings.  
You and me may like it or not, this is the factual position, of which you are a witness too. That was why you noticed me keeping quite and silently watching the outcome!  
 
And I would very much like to share a joke like episode with you. One of my close family friends has since long opened a dual identity account here just to throw challenges on me and have confrontations, while keeping a gentle profile in his first and known identity. What can I do in this state of affairs? You know Damon, he keeps hurling challenges on me, and I keep ignoring them. I always keep in mind sitting and eating together with our families in most congenial and brotherly atmosphere. How can one do something like that? You have a clue? But see, these are the facts of life we are obliged to face. We must, nevertheless, keep pretenses at all costs. To maintain PEACE must be the main aim and target.  
 
My best wishes for you always.  

Comments by: aurangzaib On 31 May 2011Report Abuse
Brother Knowledgeseeker,  
 
By mentioning “two groups” you afforded us a chance to clarify the situation.  
 
A difference of opinion comes up every now and then in a family on issues or parts of issues. It doesn’t normally or necessarily split the family into groups or parts. By following the proceedings in our present and other threads you can fully analyze and acknowledge the environment of mutual trust, love and brotherhood at Aastana. Aastna is fully committed to keep things that way.  
 
Should you join us, you would join one united family in the cause of Quranic research and understanding. And that will be a relation of mutual respect and a relation of learning through mental discourse, not of forming different opposing or conflicting fronts.  
 
Aastana will ‘Insha-Allah’ never be like other Blogs.  
 
The two points you keep quoting are irrelevant. They are, as I already explained, out of their context. Things out of context and perspective can’t be discussed or explained. I hope you will soon adopt a more constructive approach.  
 
I will be thankful if you don’t address me as “Mr.”  
 
Good day to you.  

Comments by: moazzam On 01 June 2011
Dear Damon, Dawood and aastana Members !  
I do 100% agree with Brother Damon, he correctly compehend the Quranic term Youm al Akhirah.  
“That my undersatnding about the "reward and punishment" along with the here-after fits well as per my empirical observation as long as I am talking about INDIVIDUALS. The same concept is problematic when applied to GROUPS, NATIONS? How would/could a nation be rewarded in the here-after? It seems the reward and punishment is in this world for nations.  
 
Since Quran is individual as well as collective guide, it may well be talking from both perspectives? Can someone please gather all the verses related to the term AAkhira, etc. along with the context and then help us to ponder over these terms keeping in view the concept of individual and/or nation?” (Damon)  
 
Let me reproduce the paragraph from my previous post as under, where clearly stated that in HEREAFTER (Life after death) EACH INDIVIDUAL will be rewarded/punished.  
“The context of the verse determines the sense of the term DUNYA OR AKHIRAH used in that particular place.  
It is pertinent to say that, each and every task has its specific results called DUNYA AND/OR AKHIRAH (makafat e Amal), here in this life (life before death).  
Remember we believe in life after death, which will be the utmost AKHIRAH,(where each individual will be rewarded/punished, but we can’t comprehend it”.  
To comprehend the YOUM AL AKHIRAH / AQIBA in this life(collectively/individually) read the following.  
 
Read the verses 27/1-6 طس تِلْكَ آيَاتُ الْقُرْآنِ وَكِتَابٍ مُّبِينٍ  
هُدًى وَبُشْرَى لِلْمُؤْمِنِينَ  
الَّذِينَ يُقِيمُونَ الصَّلَاةَ وَيُؤْتُونَ الزَّكَاةَ وَهُم بِالْآخِرَةِ هُمْ يُوقِنُونَ  
إِنَّ الَّذِينَ لَا يُؤْمِنُونَ بِالْآخِرَةِ زَيَّنَّا لَهُمْ أَعْمَالَهُمْ فَهُمْ يَعْمَهُونَ  
أُوْلَئِكَ الَّذِينَ لَهُمْ سُوءُ الْعَذَابِ وَهُمْ فِي الْآخِرَةِ هُمُ الْأَخْسَرُونَ  
Read the verses 27/7-14 here the story about moses continuous struggle has been described and THE END RESULT OF HIS STRUGGLE (AKHIRAH) IS BEING DISCRIBED IN VERSE 14.  
Read the verse 15-44, here the story of Solemon has been described, and in verse 44 the END RESULT OF HIS STRUGGLE (AKHIRAH) is being described.  
Read the verses45-53, here the story of Qaum-e-Samood has been described, and in verses49-53the END RESULT OF HIS STRUGGLE (AKHIRAH ) IS BEING DESCRIBED.  
Read the verses54-58,here the story of LOOT has been described , in verse 57-58 THE END RESULT OF HIS STRUGGLE (AKHIRAH) is being described.  
Remember these all stories (the context) well describe the sense of ALHAMD-O-LILLAH (the aim of momins life is to do struggle in the cause of allah as all Ambiya usually do that is to establish the Islamic state) in verse 59.  
Now read the verses 60-85 and focus at verses 83-84, the final and last but most decisive verses at this issue are 87-92.You will definitely conclude that the term AKHIRAH has been used for the event may happened in this world, the benefits /punishments are collectively described(life before death).  
At the end of surah, again reminded the LIFE TASK OF MOMINEEN that is to be ALHAMD-O-LILLAH (the aim of momins life is to do struggle in the cause of allah as all Ambiya usually do that is to establish the Islamic state)  
No doubt the individual personality always considered the elementary particle of the society, therefore his character has also been focused by Quran to be purified, therefore been warned/ taught,individually.  
To comprehend the reward/ punishment in YOUM AL AKHIRAH Individually (life after death) read the Surah Anaam from verse 63-94, here individual character has been described; the especial attention should be given at 6/94.  
The Surah Maryam’s main focus has been given, to build the individual character/ personality, here in this surah, no any confrontation among Rasools and Kuffar has been written. Especial focus should be given at verses 19/80-95, Which clarifies the INDIVIDUAL ACCOUNTABILITY in life after death (Akhirah)  

Comments by: pervez On 01 June 2011Report Abuse
Dear Moazzam,  
 
You said,  
 
 
"The Surah Maryam’s main focus has been given, to build the individual character/ personality, here in this surah, no any confrontation among Rasools and Kuffar has been written. Especial focus should be given at verses 19/80-95, Which clarifies the INDIVIDUAL ACCOUNTABILITY in life after death (Akhirah)"  
 
Now don't you think Quran also discusses life after death and also demands belief in life hereafter?  
 
This was the main issue raised by me(momin and Pervez ) I had myself told my these Id's to my friends  
at aastana much earlier and had no intention to hide, otherwise I would not have told anyone. Others are  
also writing with fake and multiple Id's. That is how it was known to others, and than I told you all to enjoy.  
None of you had any problem with both. You read all the posts by me and can find my sincere effort. I had  
already mentioned facts and do not want to open the same discussion again. You can't do anything with  
people having negative mentality, except to pray for them. Please don't be lead away with those who tried  
to create misunderstanding. I am thankful to Allah that I am successful in generating discussion on this very  
important topic.  
 
Dear Moazzam  
it is wrong to say that Quran only talks about life before death. I am glad you have realized.  
 
Regards.  

Comments by: UmeAimon On 01 June 2011Report Abuse
Salam,  
 
Brother Parvez, brother Moazzam NEVER said Quran only talks about life before death... Dearest and piyara bhai Moazzam Allah aapko apke saber aur hosle ki jaza de :))  
 
UmeAimon

Comments by: naeem sheikh On 02 June 2011Report Abuse
Momin Bhai ! At least you should / was suppose to read , all the Brother Moazzam's posts ( along with Quranic references). He never ever denied the existence of life after death, and individual accountability there in. In fact the disputed matter was its comprehension in this life.  
 
YOU ARE THE WINNER AND DESERVES TROPHY

Comments by: Junaid2 On 02 June 2011Report Abuse
Dear KNOWLEDGE SEEKER, I think it's your turn now to stop this mischief.  
 
In fact I would request all the fake IDs to disappear once and for all because I am getting tired of seeing all this. I have already become a kind of Villain for all the fake ID holders here and only because of you fake people, I am unable to learn and share.  
Why do you need to hide behind fake characters when you are free to speak whatever you want?  
 
My last and final request to All fake people: PLEASE STOP SPOILING THE ENVIRONMENT OF AASTANA.  
 
Note: This request is to the following IDs;  
 
Momin  
Mujeeb  
Lucky 420  
Knowledge seeker  
and last but not the least  
Shariq or SS http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002420112495  
 
I had to do a lot of hard-work to find this profile!  
(Kuch na samjhe Khuda kare koi)

Comments by: Maniza On 02 June 2011
Dear brother Aurangzaib, Junaid and All,  
 
My dear brothers, I too am sick of this situation that we cannot ban or give the boot to dual identities and trouble makers.  
 
Aurangzaib bhai, at first I felt there was a need to be a bit lieniet and humble, therefore I was against imposing a ban, especialy to someone whom I had the greatest pleasure of meeting, but it defies me how this person, whom was a trustest member of Aastana and yourself could sink so low as to get a dual id, and then instead of learning and reading or asking questions in the most congenial manner, this person became one of the members who is hated most at this blog.  
 
I have also reiterated the need to ban and give boot to mischef makers when they make themselfs intolerable after many chancers, warnings etc  
 
But I hope we both can convince Dr.Qamer, a most humble and sweet person to give up this leniency if the blog is to be enjoyed by people all over the globe.

Comments by: Damon On 02 June 2011Report Abuse
Dear Aastana,  
 
One last thing I wish to say to cap off what I had already explained in my post above. In the thread where I was complaining about Brother Aurangzaib's friend causing a disturbance with his behavior and multiple identities, Brother Moazzam appealed to me to exercise TOLERANCE.  
 
I don't know if I made myself clear when I had responded to that appeal, but I wish to make clear now that I have PLENTY of TOLERANCE for people thinking differently than I do. I have PLENTY of tolerance for different convictions, views, opinions and conclusions. I tolerate that other people do not see certain things the same way that I do.  
 
However, I unambiguously admit that I have absolutely NO TOLERANCE for adults who deliberately act like children. I have absolutely NO TOLERANCE for childish and juvenile behavior. Especially when the behavior is put on in order to undermine others who are serious and wish to conduct fruitful and meaningful exchanges and dialogues. And I also find it "intolerable" that such behavior is ALLOWED even when the people in charge are aware WHO it is that is doing this and the reason WHY he is doing it.  
 
I am at a loss for words as to how or why this should be considered as something "peculiar" in my personality. I cannot see how an intolerance for uncalled for foolishness should be looked at as a bad thing. By the way, I find it strange that my irritability with this sort of behavior is looked at as being "peculiar" as if an "Obsession" with trying desperately to convince other people of his "personal theories" about the hereafter should not be considered as equally peculiar.  
 
I have nothing more to say......  
 
Damon.

Comments by: aurangzaib On 03 June 2011Report Abuse
Dear Brother Damon,  
 
You wrote:  
 
"One last thing I wish to say to cap off what I had already explained in my post above. In the thread where I was complaining about Brother Aurangzaib's friend causing a disturbance with his behavior and multiple identities, Brother Moazzam appealed to me to exercise TOLERANCE."  
 
MY CLARIFICATION FOR----------- "BROTHER AURANGZAIB'S FRIEND":  
 
I have many personal friends and acquaintances writing here at Aastana Blog. It does not mean at all that I am patronizing, favoring or controlling their viewpoints or thoughts. Most of them are old, matured people and are very sensitive about their independence. I have got nothing to do with their writings. They don't write here in the perspective of my friendship with them. I even did not know about their DUAL Identities until it became an open secret.  
 
As already discussed above, and I have already written that particularly for you, we Exec. Members are rendered powerless by the Management. Dr. Qamar Zaman and Brother Adnan already know that I have lodged my protests with them against their too lenient policies. Every time I have blocked a post for offensive tone and language, I was opposed and such action from me was subsequently cancelled and the posts restored. I had to cut a sorry figure and face a disgrace every time. Had I not had a profound affiliation and devotion with the purpose of Aastana, I might have suspended writing for them. With the present type of "lenient" policies, I had long ago predicted that the Blog was going to become a Fish Market soon. And so it eventually happened.  
 
All I have been able to do was to withdraw myself from ugly threads.  
 

Comments by: aurangzaib On 03 June 2011Report Abuse
My very dear Sis Maniza,  
 
You know, I have been waiting for long for these words from you :-  
 
"I have also reiterated the need to ban and give boot to mischef makers when they make themselfs intolerable after many chancers, warnings etc  
But I hope we both can convince Dr.Qamer, a most humble and sweet person to give up this leniency if the blog is to be enjoyed by people all over the globe."  
 
Dear Sis, I have done my duty by trying my best, many times, and Dr. Sahib and Brother Adnan are witnesses to that. Now that you have felt the need to and are convinced of this policy, I request you to approach them directly and get something concrete done.  
 
I shall be much obliged.

Comments by: Asarulislam On 04 June 2011
Let us focus on life before death.  
Zindagi hai ya koi toofan hai  
hum to es Jeenay ke haathon mar chale  
 
Mir Taqi said this in India of the 1750s, ---Jab kashti Saabit O saalim thi.

Comments by: pervez On 04 June 2011Report Abuse
Dear Doctor Asarulislam ,  
 
What a pleasure to see your post here,  
 
Mir said very correctly,  
 
" jab kashti sabit-o-saalim thee sahil ki tammana kiss ko thee  
ab aisi shikasta kashti per sahil ki tammana kon keray.  
 
kashti ka rookh tu theek ker lain werna ferd ki kafiat yai ho gi,  
 
mernai ki duaain kyoon mangoo jeenai ki tammana kon keray.  
 
See what Iqbal says,  
 
1. Ilahi phir maza kia hai yanhan dunya mai rehnain ka,  
hayat-i-jawidan mairi na mergay na gahan meri.  
 
2. Tu hai moheet-i- baikeran, mai hoon zara si ab-i-joo  
ya moojai hum kinar ker ya moojai bai kinar ker.  
 
3. chammak sooraj mai kia baqi rahay gi  
ager baizar ho apni kiran sai.  
 
I believe research is being done here on Quran.  
 
REGARDS

Comments by: moazzam On 04 June 2011
Dear Dr. Asarulislam, Brother Pervez! LET US FOCUS ON LIFE BEFORE DEATH.  
Zindagi hai ya koi toofan hai  
hum to es Jeenay ke haathon mar chale (Dr. Asr)  
" jab kashti sabit-o-saalim thee sahil ki tammana kiss ko thee  
ab aisi shikasta kashti per sahil ki tammana kon keray. (Pervez)  
 
Moazzam! BE EXPERT IN SWIMING OR SEARCH OUT THE " ASA E MOSES" TO MAKE A BRIDGE OVER RIVER.  
i ADVISE, TO KEEP ON SITTING IN KASHTI E NOOH(ASSTANA.COM) WHERE WE HAVE,Bismillah,majreha, wa mursaha. Inna Rabee laghafoor arraheem.  
 

Comments by: momin On 04 June 2011Report Abuse
My dear brother Moazzam, Practically speaking I agree with you, but here I always discuss from theoretical  
point of view keeping in mind that it is a research forum for understanding Quran. Other wise, I understand  
well , practical requirements. Ideologies join people together. People believing in Quran as a divine book  
can only make a joint effort if their ideology is the same. That is what I often stress upon. Otherwise, we  
have charter of UNO to follow which can guide us for establishment of a welfare state. Neither you will have  
opposition from west nor from conventional Muslims. With new understanding with shift on major issues,  
if you get into practical field with identity as a Muslim state , you will have two pronged opposition , from  
west as well as Muslims all over the world , I don't see chances of success. I hope I have been able to  
explain my point of view. Well you may disagree. Dear brother , sometimes I feel it is the time of forming  
a World Government and working for that not in isolation from the world community. It is a global village.  
I have finished my quota with Pervez and now posting with momin. Momin always praised and liked you.  
I hope you don't mind. My apologies if you feel other wise. I don't know.  

Comments by: Nargis On 04 June 2011Report Abuse
People believing in Quran as a divine book  
can only make a joint effort if their ideology is the same. ManmoMomin  
 
If we turn the Quran into a mythological book talking about what we cant comprehend, then un charter is better, at least it is practical and people can achieve the goals ...in this life.  
 
Myths and belief in the unseen cant be proven, so those who believe in that can twist any word to suit their belief. they will NEVER have the same ideology with the realistic message of the Quran.  
 
A believer can make up anything, only limitations he have is his own fanatsy.  
 
no1 can compete with that, no1 can agree with that unlesse his mind are having the same mumbo jumbo imaginatinos  
 
the Quran is not talking about miracles, angels, jinnbhoot and all the other hocus pocus.  
 
How would the UN charter look alike if it added, and this charter is for us to follow so we can achieve paradise, we have never seen it but its there ,,when we are dead.  
 
On one hand, the Quran is claimed to be the constitution, on the other hand it is talking about hot stuff we cant understand  
 
How many constitutions in welfare states make people believe in their constitution by tempting them with the life after death paradise?
 
 

Comments by: momin On 04 June 2011Report Abuse
Thank you Nargis baity for your views.

Comments by: Nargis2 On 04 June 2011Report Abuse
and questions :P  
 
Welcome welcome :D

Comments by: momin On 04 June 2011Report Abuse
Baity Nargis, kyoon moojay immaginations mai lai jana chahti ho. Yanhan kon sonay ga mairi bat.  
Your manmoo is desi.  
 
Your question,  
 
How many constitutions in welfare states make people believe in their constitution by tempting them with the life after death paradise? by Nargis,  
 
Answer to your question is,  
 
Apni millat per qyas Akwanm-i-mughrib sai na ker  
khas hai terkeeb mai qoum-i-rasool-i-hashmi.  
 
Islamic ideology is beyond establishment of a welfare state. welfare state and many more pluses.  
Practically, according to ground realities, I have already expressed but that is not ideal.  
 
I request you to please don't ask me more on this subject. Ground realities are not favorable for  
my views here too.  
 
Daitay hain bada, zerf-i-kuda khwar daikh ker.

Comments by: Nargis-Badshah-Salamat On 04 June 2011Report Abuse
Apni millat per qyas Akwanm-i-mughrib sai na ker  
khas hai terkeeb mai qoum-i-rasool-i-hashmi.  
 
Ab mujhe bateye, tell me, where is this murghi? Now dont tell me she ran off with the murgha in muhalla, katwa di na naak?  
 
oh sorry sorry , i meant to say, where is this "qoum.i.rasool-i-hashmi"?  
 
Hope this is not part of it? >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNmW2xTCH8c&feature=related  
 
and u didnt answer my question, argggg  
 
 
 

Comments by: moazzam On 04 June 2011
Dear Nargis! An other show of Qaum..  
Khaas hai tarkeeb main Qaum e Rasool e Hashmi.(remember there is no any Rasool e Hashmi in Quran)  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MwbDQroTDU

Comments by: momin On 04 June 2011Report Abuse
You think he represents Iqbal ka Shaheen?  
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNmW2xTCH8c&feature=related

Comments by: momin On 04 June 2011Report Abuse
Dear brother Moazzam and baity Nargis,  
 
Please think, do they represent Iqbal ka shaheen or Merday Momin(videos you posted) ? NO

Comments by: Nargis-Badshah-Salamat On 04 June 2011Report Abuse
Br Moazzam hahahahahaha i have the same link with lyrics and music in my favourite golden collection  
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XO6W0GB7Xqw  
 
You think he represents Iqbal ka Shaheen?  
 
But they do believe in "rusoole HASHMI" which is not in the Quran but in other scriptures and they are critisizing khoi hoi Murghi, no chicken shawarma or biryani for them.... With the qoum show we referred to, iqbal ka shaheen ko maghrib main nahi, balke mashriq main hi dhondna pare ga,,,,,  
 
Mere bhi aj kal parr nikal aye hai cough cough  
 
:P:P:P:P

Comments by: momin On 04 June 2011Report Abuse
zaghoon k taseraf mai hai shaheen ka basaira.

Comments by: moazzam On 04 June 2011
Dear Momin! Iqbal ka shaheen aj kal mghrib main he talash karna hogha yad rakhain us ke parvaz buhat buland he.  
yahan ziada ter Iqbal k kaway/gidh (kargas) he milain gy, you are right (zaghoon k taseraf mai hai shaheen ka basaira)  
Lihaza ab sher is trah hoga.  
 
Apni millat per qyas Akwanm-i-mushriq sai na ker  
khas hai terkeeb mai qoum-i-rasool-i-hashmi.  

Comments by: Nargis-Badshah-Salamat On 04 June 2011Report Abuse
Yes, yeh shaheens to ankhou main gidde le ke phir rahe na muh dhote hai na ankhein, thats why noor hote hoe bhi they cant see...  
 
bloody giddo wale kargaz  
think they can be shahbaz  
Lekin in ka ilaj kar leti hai Nargaz  
 
hahahahahaaha  
 
Adnan ne mer cartoon band kar die hai, ab main cartoon kaha talash karo?

Comments by: momin On 04 June 2011Report Abuse
Syed Zamir Jafferi said,  
Bity Nargis,  
 
Iqbal ka shaheen tu hum sai oor choka  
ab koi apna mokami janwer paida kero.  
 
You have posted the videos of "Mokami janwer" not Iqbal k shaheen.  
 
Ser derd ka ilaj ser k kat dainan sai tu nanhe kertai na.  
 
Your question,  
 
'w would the UN charter look alike if it added, and this charter is for us to follow so we can achieve paradise, we have never seen it but its there ,,when we are dead.'Ho By Nargis,  
 
How about this,  
 
"This charter is for us to follow so we can achieve successful life (paradise) in this world and  
will be successful (paradise)as a result in our life after death too."  
 
 
 
However, politics is the art of possible, I have already expressed myself in my post addressed to brother  
Moazzam regarding what is possible in the present world scenario. Situation is fluid and things are  
changing all over the world at a pace no one can anticipate even.  
 
 
 

Comments by: abdullahbashoeb On 04 June 2011
Salam  
 
Respected Sisters and Brothers.  
 
A Beautiful Poem by a Hindu that should open the eyes of Muslims:  
Dr. Pandit Shankar Dhyal Sharma...  
has spoken those words over some 35 years ago...  
 
Qur'an:  
 
Amal ki kitab thi  
 
Dua ki kitab bana dia  
 
Samajhne ki kitab thi  
 
Parhne ki kitab bana dia  
 
Zindaon ka dastoor tha  
 
Murdon ka manshoor bana dia  
 
Jo ilm ki kitab thi  
 
Usey la ilmon ke hath thama dia  
 
Taskheer-e-kayenat ka dars dene aayi thi  
 
Sirf madarson ka nisaab bana dia  
 
Murda qaumon ko zinda karne aayi thi  
 
Murdon ko bakhshwane per laga dia  
 
Aye Musalmano ye tumne kia kiya?  
 
Zara Socho issay.  
 
 
Salam

Comments by: Nargis-Badshah-Salamat On 04 June 2011Report Abuse
MM :  
 
 
"This charter is for us to follow so we can achieve successful life (paradise) in this world and  
will be successful (paradise)as a result in our life after death too."  
 
NBS:  
 
how about this  
 
"This charter is for us to open our eyes and talk abut facts that can be proven ? Other wise 80 lashes to the dreamer, before sleep and af-ter sleep ?  
 
:D :D  
 
Why force something in the Quran when its not ? pehle yeh bataye  
 
If our "Murghi " understood the concept and orders given in the Quran long time ago, then we wouldnt have such qoum show as presented dabove, youtube wale. Its time to wake up, our "allamas" key jaga par cheating kar gaye hahahaha  
 
Pheeew, DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE THE POWER OF DENIAL :O :O :D :D :D  
 
Dear Abdullahbshoeb, it is a wonderful book, i wish you come up with such poems often, these iqbal ke shaheen need a kick in so they wake up , not dream speech. thank you for sharing

Comments by: Junaid2 On 04 June 2011Report Abuse
Looks like everyone is doing shaairi here !  
 
Can I try it too?  
 
Na khane ko he roti na chatt he sir chupane ko  
Karun to kya karun main aakhir?  
 
Awaaz aati he!  
 
Tu Shaheen hai basera kar paharon ki chatanon par.  
 
Oh I almost forgot that I am a shaheen.  
Why would I need bread and shelter?  
 
Moazzam bhai, maghrib mein kahan talaash kar rahe hain aap?  
Sir aap ka Shaheen to bechara yahan "Fake IDs" dhoondne ke chakkar mein urna bhi bhool gaya he :P  
And now shaheen has been declared as a sophist too :(

Comments by: pervez On 04 June 2011Report Abuse
 
Dear abdullahbashoeb,  
 
I have read your poem and don't disagree with its contents. Sorry, I couldn't make  
you understand my point of view.  
 
Dear brother Moazzam, You said,  
 
Apni millat per qyas Akwanm-i-mushriq sai na ker  
khas hai terkeeb mai qoum-i-rasool-i-hashmi.  
 
Keeping in view present state of Muslims I agree with your above verse.

Comments by: Junaid On 04 June 2011Report Abuse
Dear brother Abdullah bashoeb; the poem is awesome. Something which has not been understood by the so called "Muslims" but magnificently presented by a Hindu. Thanks for sharing such a nice poem with us.

Comments by: moazzam On 05 June 2011
Dear Abdullahbashoeb ! Dr. Pandit Shankar Dhyal Sharma, seems confirmed Muslim (Ahl e Kitab).  
This should be considered a message of a Muslim Scholar to the Mushrik Ummah.To be a Muslim,the place and title doesn't matters whether CHURCH,MASJID,MANDER,IMAMBARA Or pandit,Mullah,Bishp,Goru  
It is our responsibility to make them understand about the Quranic terms of Muslim and Mushrik.  
 
Murda qaumon ko zinda karne aayi thi  
 
Murdon ko bakhshwane per laga dia  
 
Aye Musalmano ye tumne kia kiya?  
 
Zara Socho issay.  
 

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Jb.Aurangzaib Sb. Please give your scientific proof of life here after

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Does Quran allow Rebellion or is it totally forbidden in any situation whatsoever? Please find the details below: Question by: Junaid From PAKISTAN (KARACHI) On 01/09/2011
 
Dear Members Is soorah Fateha is a part of Quran? If not then where it comes from.? Salaam Question by: Saeed From PAKISTAN (KARACHI(MSAEEDTAJ@GMAIL.COM)) On 03/09/2011
 
I have asked 5 very important questions but none from aastana team known as "WE" has replied. Are these questions irrelevant? OR is everyone from the "WE" team is too busy trying to convince Mr. Dhulqarnain? Question by: Junaid From PAKISTAN (KARACHI) On 04/09/2011
 
Dear Sir, A question ! ...".Jannat" & "Jahanum"...As per Quran , are these physical places , or concepts , or status for humankind ? please explain with quotation of Quranic verses. Question by: M Aslam From PAKISTAN (GOJRA) On 05/09/2011
 
Dear all ,What exactly is unachievable in the mentioned attributes of Rusools and Nabis and what did they do to get wahy....? Question by: Nargis From BARBADOS (KIO BATAO?) On 12/09/2011
 
Dear Sir, A question ! ... ".Jannat" & "Jahanum"...As per Quran , are these physical places , or concepts , or status for humankind ? please explain with quranic reference, Question by: M Aslam From PAKISTAN (GOJRA) On 17/09/2011
 
PEACE TO ALL, DID ALLAH CHANGE PEOPLE INTO APES AND SWINE? 5:60..He brought His wrath and of whom He made apes and swine... YES: EXPLAIN NO: EXPLAIN Question by: DHULQARNAIN From UNITED STATES On 21/09/2011
 
Dear Sir, Please explain meanings of verses 160 t0173 of sura 26, relatin to events of hazarat LOOT' Question by: M Aslam From PAKISTAN (GOJRA) On 23/09/2011
 
Brother Moazzam; Please enlighten us about the palmistry given in the link http://profkokab.com/. Is it a science or the branch of secrete knowledge already plotted in the universe.?? Question by: Mujeeb From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 27/12/2011
 
Surah jummah 2, why is it saying "Rusool" and not "Mohammed"...Rusool is among ummi....or Mohammed is ummi...? Question by: Nargis2 From TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO (TOMBACCO) On 04/01/2012
 
جنابَ محترم ! کچھھ عرصہ قبل ایک کتابچہ شائع ہوا تھا "اہلِ حدیث کے چھھ سوالات کے جوابات" مجھے اس کا لنک چاہئے۔ Question by: M Aslam From PAKISTAN (GOJRA) On 13/01/2012
 
brother Moazzam: Please enlighten us about the bird called "HUD HUD",who brought information about queen saba.how can a bird understand the TAUHEED AND SHIRK, more over differetiation between male and female ruling?? Question by: Mujeeb From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 14/01/2012
 
How & when "Namaz" was intoduced into Muslim society? Question by: M Aslam From PAKISTAN (GOJRA) On 30/01/2012
 
Dear Members, Brother Moazzam: Please enlighten us about the term "FIQH", is it a Quranic term? if yes then were would we find the Aastana's FIQH as Aastana is providing Quranic translation only [asked by one of my colleague]. Question by: Mujeeb From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 15/02/2012
 
Respected Moazzam/Auranangazeb sahib and Brothers, Considering the fact that Quran's meanings/interpretations are being manipulated/corrupted/distorted to a massive level, how a common man can understand his service towards his God? Question by: sameermoopa From INDIA On 15/02/2012
 
question asked:- could 'ma tashabaha minHU' be 'min Allah' rather than 'min al-kitab'. After all, Allah is the doer of this aya.(3:7) Question by: Nargis From BARBADOS (KIO BATAO?) On 29/02/2012
 
Aastana team : Do the counts given in Quran like 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,10,11,12,19,20,30,40,70,80,99,100,200, 950,1000,2000,3000,5000,50000 at different places are real numerical counts or possess other lexicon meanings as per context ? Question by: Mujeeb From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 28/03/2012
 
Drar Sir, Please define the meanings of 9 / 36 What here :- أَرْبَعَةٌ حُرُمٌ ذَلِكَ الدِّينُ الْقَيِّمُ Question by: M Aslam From PAKISTAN (GOJRA) On 28/03/2012
 
What are Harut Marut? Question by: moazzam From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 02/11/2012
 
TRUE SENSE OF VERSE 20/46 : قَالَ لَا تَخَافَا إِنَّنِي مَعَكُمَا أَسْمَعُ وَأَرَى. Question by: moazzam From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 03/04/2013
 
1) THEY ASK YOU ABOUT AL ROOH (WAHY)? 2) IS THE QURAN DIVINE, IF YES, WHY? Question by: Nargis From BARBADOS (KIO BATAO?) On 05/05/2013
 
Dear Moazzam bhai regards, Quran me ya to saza ke dar se ya reward ke laalach se naik kaam ke liye kaha jata hai.Kya Insan itna gaya guzra hai ki wo in two baton ke alawa Naik kaamon ki taraf aa nahi sakta? Question by: Mohd Danish From INDIA (SAHARANPUR) On 08/05/2013
 
Dear Moazzam bhai regards, 6/151 me aulaad ko qatl na karne ki jo baat hai uska mafhoom kya hai ? Question by: Mohd Danish From INDIA (SAHARANPUR) On 19/05/2013
 
Dear Moazzam bhai regards, Quran me ya to saza ke dar se ya reward ke laalach se naik kaam ke liye kaha jata hai.Kya Insan itna gaya guzra hai ki wo in two baton ke alawa Naik kaamon ki taraf aa nahi sakta? Question by: Mohd Danish From INDIA (SAHARANPUR) On 19/05/2013
 
Religion has divided humanity into sects , how to bring about inter faith harmony between religions ? Question by: Hamid Gul From PAKISTAN (KARACHI) On 18/09/2015
 
salam DR sab and every one, please watch this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhjikPTzLDA we need bold persons to explain quran openly with no fear. please post this. Question by: kanju swat From UNITED KINGDOM (LONDON) On 18/01/2016
 
Stealing someone's property is considered bad. Why stealing property of Allah(Land, it's ownership, selling and purchasing) is not bad ? Question by: Hamid Gul From PAKISTAN (KARACHI) On 24/02/2016
 
Brothers and sisters of aastana team,Quran rejects democracy. What is political system of "mumlaqat-e-elahaya" Question by: Hamid Gul From PAKISTAN (KARACHI) On 26/02/2016
 
Why not blow life into lifeless aastana site by putting questions concerning life and find answers through scientific discoveries instead of fixing ourselves in theology ? Question by: Hamid Gul From PAKISTAN (KARACHI) On 26/02/2016
 
Why should we limit ourselves to Quran while searching for truth, when Al-kitab also includes science/nature ? Science +Wahi = Al-kitab. Question by: Hamid Gul From PAKISTAN (KARACHI) On 02/03/2016
 
When did modern State came into being and how were people living in anarchy ? Let us ponder ? Question by: Hamid Gul From PAKISTAN (KARACHI) On 04/03/2016
 
"Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly and bad people will find a way around the laws. " Plato Do we need laws? Question by: Hamid Gul From PAKISTAN (KARACHI) On 04/03/2016
 
Why can't Mother Nature itself be viewed as the Creator and It's knowledge be viewed as Wahi ? Question by: Hamid Gul From PAKISTAN (KARACHI) On 05/03/2016
 
What is the future of family institution in the Modren Civilization ? Question by: Hamid Gul From PAKISTAN (KARACHI) On 05/03/2016
 
Salam every one , what is the best QUESTION/ANSWER to the atheists about the God existence ?and what is Quran says about GOD (himself ),thanks Question by: kanju swat From UNITED KINGDOM (LONDON) On 21/03/2016
 
Only forms of thoughts exist ,matter doesn't , why a soul(higher form) decides to enter into a body which is a form existing at lower level ? Question by: Hamid Gul From PAKISTAN (KARACHI) On 10/05/2016
 
Is there any evidence in the concept of reincarnation from any sources of truth ? Question by: Hamid Gul From PAKISTAN (KARACHI) On 10/05/2016
 
Any update on the book ,(the truth about soum) please? thanks, Question by: kanju swat From UNITED KINGDOM (LONDON) On 18/05/2016
 
Sura 56 Aya 57 نَحْنُ خَلَقْنَاكُمْ فَلَوْلَا تُصَدِّقُونَ {57} Question by: Hamid Gul From PAKISTAN (KARACHI) On 21/05/2016
 
Eid-ul-Fitr, Any reference from Quran regarding celebration of Eid-ul-Fitr , kindly share to examine the matter in the light of Quran , as to when , why and how it should be celebrated Question by: Hamid Gul From PAKISTAN (KARACHI) On 03/07/2016
 
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