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TRANSLATION OF QURAN
BY DR. QAMAR ZAMAN
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آیات
سورۃ
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1-200 آل عِمرَان -3
1-176 النِّسَاء -4
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1-165 الاٴنعَام -6
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1-75 الاٴنفَال -8
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1-109 یُونس -10
1-123 هُود -11
1-111 یُوسُف -12
1-43 الرّعد -13
1-52 إبراهیم -14
1-99 الحِجر -15
1-128 النّحل -16
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Verse2:62. Muslims often quote it to prove that Allah accepts any belief as long as people believe in Allah, Day of Judgement and do good works. Question: Should it not be stipulated that belief in Allah should be as defined in the Qur'an?
Add Your Comments  Question by: MUBASHIR On 06 July 2011
Comments by: Nargis On 06 July 2011Report Abuse
and how is "belief in Allah" defined, in the Quran? What is belief defined as in the Quran?

Comments by: Mubashir On 07 July 2011Report Abuse
Belief in the Quranic concept of Allah that is not a triune God, Did not come down as a man, Does not have a son or an anthropomorphic notion of God that comes down and wrestles with man. A God that has no partners.

Comments by: Nargis On 07 July 2011Report Abuse
And the Concept of Allah is that he doesn't have a son or come down as a man and have no partners?  
 
It means that too must have been explained in the Quran, that WHY it is like that?  
 
If its all about to believe, then why cant we believe in other books? The Quran itself asks others for proofs, what proof is needed for a "belief" ?
 
 
About 2:62  
 
إِنَّ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَالَّذِينَ هَادُوا وَالنَّصَارَىٰ وَالصَّابِئِينَ مَنْ آمَنَ بِاللَّهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الْآخِرِ وَعَمِلَ صَالِحًا فَلَهُمْ أَجْرُهُمْ عِندَ رَبِّهِمْ وَلَا خَوْفٌ عَلَيْهِمْ وَلَا هُمْ يَحْزَنُونَ  
 
جو لوگ امن کے داعی (مسلم) ہیں یا ہدایت یافتہ ہونے کا دعوی کرتے ہیں (یہود) یا مدد کرنے کا دعوی کرتے ہیں (نصاریٰ) یا تبدیلی قبول کرنے والے(صابئین) ، جس نے بھی قوانین قدرت کے تحت امن قائم کیا اور مکافات عمل تک امن قائم کرتے رہے اور جنہوں نے اصلاحی عمل کئے ایسے لوگوں کے اعمال کا صلہ قدرت کے ذمّہ ہے اورانہیں نہ توکوئی خوف ہوگا اور نہ وہ غم ناک ہوں گے۔  
 
یہ بہت ہی اہم حکم ہے جس کے ذریعے مذہب کی جڑ کاٹ دی گئی ہے۔اگر عمومی تراجم کو ہی دیکھیں تو بھی اجر کا انحصار مذہب کی بنیاد پر نہیں ہے اس لئے کہ جو شخص بھی اصلاحی عمل کرے گا خواہ وہ مسلمان ہو یا یہودی یا عیسائی یا کسی بھی مذہب سے تعلق ہو اس کا اجر اس کے اصلاحی اعمال کی بنیاد پرہوگا نہ کہ مذہب کی بنیاد پر ۔اس لئے ۔ جو شخص بھی امن کا پیغامبر ہے خواہ وہ کسی مذہب سے تعلّق رکھتا ہو، وہ قدرت کی نگاہ میں کامیاب ہے اسے نہ تو ماضی کا ملال ہو گا اور نہ ہی مستقبل کا خوف ہو گا۔  
 
 

Comments by: moazzam On 07 July 2011
Dear Mubashir, Sister Nargis! Belif in ALLAH'S SELF is not the matter, in fact the آمَنَ بِاللَّهِ means actions(practical exercise) and behavior with Allas commandments( the state orders)  
Quran never discuss man made religions nor the sects and their belif. Quran describes the individual/ collective "human characters". The YAHOOD, NASARA, SAABI, MAJOOS Are characters in the societies.

Comments by: Mubashir On 07 July 2011Report Abuse
Nargis:  
 
The Qur'an corrects distortions that may have crept in in older books and is a guardian over them. The issue here, however, is Christian and Jewish notion of God and whether it is approved or corrected in the Qur'an. There is a reason Qur'an was revealed - to guide humanity to all truth and set it free of concocted/distorted beliefs.  
 
If their notion of God is not the right one (Triune God, man-god, god-man, holy trinity, anthropomorphic God) then we should openly state it rather than pretending all is well (as long as they believe in "God" they are have nothing to fear).  
 
Moazzam: Sure belief in Allah is not good enough (it must be followed by actions) but in other verses Allah made sure to define what He is and what He is not and we find Christians are severely rebuked over claiming that "God has taken Himself a Son). Like I said before, there is a reason the Qur'an came down. Otherwise if all were following their ways as belivers, why bother with a Final Revelation?

Comments by: Mubashir On 07 July 2011Report Abuse
Nargis, By personal attackes I meant the swipe you took at a certain scholar in your post  
 
:-))  
 
You asked about Maqam Ibrahim:  
 
2:125 Remember We made the House a place of assembly for men and a place of safety; and take ye the station of Abraham as a place of prayer; and We covenanted with Abraham and Isma'il, that they should sanctify My House for those who compass it round, or use it as a retreat, or bow, or prostrate themselves (therein in prayer).  
 
With respect to Salaat, I read a verse this morning where the wives of the Apostle were being advised:  
 
33:33 And abide quietly in your homes, and do not flaunt your charms as they used to flaunt them in the old days of pagan ignorance; and be constant in prayer, and render the purifying dues, and pay heed unto God and His Apostle: for God only wants to remove from you all that might be loathsome, O you members of the [Prophet’s] household, and to purify you to utmost purity.  
 
If they were being advised to abide quietly in their homes, then the salat referred to here must be the prayer because how can they, while confined in their homes, contribute to the socio-economic order?  
 
I don't know. Must be me. My wife says I ask too many questions. But, if the question arises, one must find out the answer rather than "Put up or shut up" attitude still in vogue in the Muslim World.  
 
 
 

Comments by: Nargis-Badshah-Salamat On 07 July 2011Report Abuse
As Brother Moazzam pointed out, The YAHOOD, NASARA, SAABI, and MAJOOS Are characters in the societies and not reference to a group that happen to call themself yahodi or Nasari.  
 
The reason why Quran is brought to light is to operate as Injeel, Torat, Zaboor, Furqan etc. whenever needed in the society, as it was intended in the very first beginning when it was revealed. Al Kitab is one and same from day one.  
 
It’s talking about The YAHOOD, NASARA, SAABI, and MAJOOS from day one, even in the time of Noh and Abraham. And that’s even before few people decided to invent these characters as names for their group of belief.  
 
So the Quran is a book of supervision, not a book of belief. If the Islamic state is established, then EVERYONE living in that society is to follow the common laws and regulations implemented by the government. No matter what they believe in or what kind of imaginations are dominating in their minds.  
 
Al Kitab being the same from day one and Yahood & co being characters have been discussed earlier here  
 
AL KITAB  
 
http://www.aastana.com/blog/aastanablog.asp?QID=1277  
 
CHARACTERS  
 
http://www.aastana.com/blog/aastanablog.asp?QID=1248  
 
http://www.aastana.com/blog/aastanablog.asp?SID=40&QID=1306  
 
http://www.aastana.com/blog/aastanablog.asp?QID=1363  
 
http://www.aastana.com/blog/aastanablog.asp?QID=1284  
 
But, if the question arises, one must find out the answer rather than "Put up or shut up" attitude still in vogue in the Muslim World.Mubashir  
 
Yes, and at a certain life long student scholars forum. Welcome to Aastana :D
 
 

Comments by: moazzam On 07 July 2011
Dear Mubashis ! Go through the link http://www.aastana.com/blog/aastanablog.asp?QID=1457#COM7542. As far as your second post is concerns, read the Quranic translation by Dr Qamarzaman to comprehend the matter.  
28 يَا أَيُّهَا النَّبِيُّ قُل لِّأَزْوَاجِكَ إِن كُنتُنَّ تُرِدْنَ الْحَيَاةَ الدُّنْيَا وَزِينَتَهَا فَتَعَالَيْنَ أُمَتِّعْكُنَّ وَأُسَرِّحْكُنَّ سَرَاحًا جَمِيلًا  
اے سربراہ مملکت اپنی جماعتوں سے کہہ دو کہ " اگر تم ادنی زندگی اور اس کی زینت وآرائش کی خواستگار ہو تو آؤ میں تمہیں کچھ مال دوں اور اچھے انداز سے رخصت کردوں "۔  
 
 
 
29 وَإِن كُنتُنَّ تُرِدْنَ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ وَالدَّارَ الْآخِرَةَ فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ أَعَدَّ لِلْمُحْسِنَاتِ مِنكُنَّ أَجْرًا عَظِيمًا  
اور اگر تم مملکت خداداد اور خوشحال معاشرے کے طلبگار ہو تو تم میں جو حسن سلوک کرنے والی جماعتیں ہیں اُن کے لئے مملکت خداداد نے اجر عظیم تیار کر رکھا ہے۔  
 
 
 
30 يَا نِسَاءَ النَّبِيِّ مَن يَأْتِ مِنكُنَّ بِفَاحِشَةٍ مُّبَيِّنَةٍ يُضَاعَفْ لَهَا الْعَذَابُ ضِعْفَيْنِ ۚ وَكَانَ ذَٰلِكَ عَلَى اللَّهِ يَسِيرًا  
اے سربراہ مملکت کی جماعتوں تم میں سے جو کوئی غیر الہی احکامات پر عمل پیرا ہوتا ہے تو اس کو دونی سزا دی جائے گی۔ اور یہ بات مملکت خداداد کے لئے آسان ہے ۔  
 
 
 
31 وَمَن يَقْنُتْ مِنكُنَّ لِلَّهِ وَرَسُولِهِ وَتَعْمَلْ صَالِحًا نُّؤْتِهَا أَجْرَهَا مَرَّتَيْنِ وَأَعْتَدْنَا لَهَا رِزْقًا كَرِيمًا  
اور تم میں سے جو جماعت بھی مملکت خداداد کی فرمانبردار رہے گی اور اصلاحی عمل کرے گی۔ اس کو ہم دوگنا اجر دیں گے اور اس کے لئے ہم نے ضروریات زندگی با عزت طور پر تیار کر رکھی ہے ۔  
 
 
 
32 يَا نِسَاءَ النَّبِيِّ لَسْتُنَّ كَأَحَدٍ مِّنَ النِّسَاءِ ۚ إِنِ اتَّقَيْتُنَّ فَلَا تَخْضَعْنَ بِالْقَوْلِ فَيَطْمَعَ الَّذِي فِي قَلْبِهِ مَرَضٌ وَقُلْنَ قَوْلًا مَّعْرُوفًا  
اے سربراہ مملکت کی جماعتوں تم اور دوسری جماعتوں کی طرح نہیں ہو۔ اگر تم متّقی رہنا چاہتی ہو تو احکامات میں نرمی نہ کیا کرو تاکہ وہ کہ جس کے دل میں نفاق کا مرض ہے کوئی امید پیدا کرے۔ اور جو حکم کرو وہ دستور کے مطابق کیا کرو ۔  
 
 
 
33 وَقَرْنَ فِي بُيُوتِكُنَّ وَلَا تَبَرَّجْنَ تَبَرُّجَ الْجَاهِلِيَّةِ الْأُولَىٰ ۖ وَأَقِمْنَ الصَّلَاةَ وَآتِينَ الزَّكَاةَ وَأَطِعْنَ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ ۚ إِنَّمَا يُرِيدُ اللَّهُ لِيُذْهِبَ عَنكُمُ الرِّجْسَ أَهْلَ الْبَيْتِ وَيُطَهِّرَكُمْ تَطْهِيرًا  
اور اپنے اداروں میں وقار پیدا کرو ، اور جس طرح پہلے جہالت میں بلندی کا اظہار کرتے تھے اس طرح کا اظہارا نہ کرو اور الہی احکامات پر مبنی نظام قائم کرو ، اور معاشرے کی خوشحالی کا فریضہ انجام دیتے رہو ۔ اور مملکت خداداد کی اطاعت کرتے رہو ۔مملکت خداداد کا ارادہ ہے کہ وہ مملکت کے ادارے کی اہلیت والوں کو برائیوں سے پاک کرے ، اور تمہاری حقیقی تطہیر کرے ۔  
 
مباحث:۔  
" تبرّجن "۔۔مادہ ب ر ج ۔۔معنی ۔۔بلند و نمایاں ہونا ،زیبا ئش کرنا۔ قلعہ،محل ۔رکن ، فصیل پر بنا برج ۔  
 
 
34 وَاذْكُرْنَ مَا يُتْلَىٰ فِي بُيُوتِكُنَّ مِنْ آيَاتِ اللَّهِ وَالْحِكْمَةِ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ كَانَ لَطِيفًا خَبِيرًا  
اور تمہارے اداروں میں جو وحی الہی سے احکامات اور انکے مقاصد جاری ہوتے ہیں ان کو یاد رکھتے ہوئے عمل پیرا رہو ۔ بےشک مملکت خداداد باریک بیں اور باخبر ہے ۔  
 
 
 
آیت نمبر ۳۵ میں دس الگ الگ خصوصیات کے لوگوں کا ذکر آرہا ہے ،جس مین مذکّر اور ٘مونّث کے صیغے آئے ہیں ۔  
سب سے پہلے تو سوچنے کی یہ بات ہے ۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔کیا مومن میں باقی خصوصیات نہیں تھیں جو اسکو مسلمین کی جماعت سے علہدہ بیان کیا گیا ؟  
اسی طرح کیا المسلمین و المسلمات میں باقی مذکورہ صفات نہیں پائی جاتی تھیں ؕ؟  
آخر کیا وجہ ہے کہ سب کو علہدہ علہدہ انواع کے تحت بیان کیا گیا ہے ؟ یہ تو ہو نہیں سکتا کہ جسکو مسلم کہا گیا وہ مومن نہ ہو یا صابر نہ ہو یا صا ئم نہ ہو اور مملکت خداداد میں انسانوں کی الگ الگ ا قسام ہوں ،۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔ہر مسلم یقیناّ مومن بھی تھا قانت بھی تھا صادق بھی تھا ۔۔۔علی ھذ القیاس ۔۔ایک مسلم اس وقت تک مسلم کہلانے کا حق نہیں رکھتا جب تک کہ اس میں مذکورہ خسوصیات موجود نہ ہوں ۔  
غور کرنے سے یہ بات کھل کر سامنے آ جائیگی کہ یہ مملکت خداداد کے تحت الگ الگ اداروں کی ذمّہ داریون کے حوالے سے بات کی گئی ہے ۔  
 

Comments by: Nargis-Badshah-Salamat On 07 July 2011Report Abuse
You asked about Maqam Ibrahim:  
 
2:125 Remember We made the House a place of assembly for men and a place of safety; and take ye the station of Abraham as a place of prayer; and We covenanted with Abraham and Isma'il, that they should sanctify My House for those who compass it round, or use it as a retreat, or bow, or prostrate themselves (therein in prayer). Mubashir brother  
 
Dear Brother, Maqaam…..This word “maqaam” is seen in Quran with an Upper vowel sound on ‘meem ‘as well as with a vowel sound ‘u’. When ‘meem ‘is with a ‘u’ sound, it is read as ‘muqaam’. The meaning of ‘muqaam’ is ‘a place’, just as we say that Murree is a healthy muqaam (place).  
 
‘meem ‘ with upper vowel sound is read as “maqaam” and gives the meaning of ‘status’, ‘post’, ‘standing’ etc., conceptual or practical - just as we would say about Allama  
 
So the difference between Muqaam is a place, and Maqaam is status, position eminence or post …  
 
Let us see with reference to Quran whether it is true or not. No.79 of Chapter “bani Israel”, after issuing some orders to the Prophet, it was stated:- “There is a good possibility that your Rabb posts you to a status worthy of praise.”  
 
In the last verse you can see it’s not about a place but about a status worthy of praise.  
 
Similarly, in the verse from Chapter “al-Baqarah” the phrase “And take the ‘maqaam’ of Ibrahim as Musallaa” corroborates the same ‘status’ that has been called “' 'imama“ in Verse 124.  
 
As far as discussion about the word “ musallah “ is concerned, it has become evident that the status attributed to Prophet Abraham, was to be pursued, in favour of which verses spread all over Quran do exist.  
 
“Wa qaalu kunoo Hoodan aou Nasaraa, tahtudu.Qul bal millata Ibrahima haneefa. Wa ma kana min al-mushrikeen.”  
 
“And people ask you to become Jew or Christian, you will be the guided ones. Tell them that the path of Abraham was straightforward and he was not one of the Mushrikeen (polytheists)”.  
 
So it is the MAQAAME IBRAHIM and not MUQAAME IBRAHIM, it is the STATUS worthy of praise of Ibrahim one is encouraged to achieve and work for, not the place where some people say he left his foot print :)  
 
Please note that the order to follow Prophet Abraham’s ideology is not being enforced on Momineen, but on our Prophet too. And this Verse clearly means that the status of Abraham has to be pursued and his footsteps followed. In the second part of the same verse, we find the words like  
 
‘taharat’, ‘taa’ifeen’, ‘aakifeen’ and ‘rukka’ as-sujud’. And an excuse for ‘ruku’ and ‘sujud’ in Namaaz is invented from here; therefore, these words also need careful deliberation.  
 
woh bhi post kar do ?
 
 
2:125 وَإِذْ جَعَلْنَا الْبَيْتَ مَثَابَةً لِّلنَّاسِ وَأَمْنًا وَاتَّخِذُوا مِن مَّقَامِ إِبْرَاهِيمَ مُصَلًّى ۖ وَعَهِدْنَا إِلَىٰ إِبْرَاهِيمَ وَإِسْمَاعِيلَ أَن طَهِّرَا بَيْتِيَ لِلطَّائِفِينَ وَالْعَاكِفِينَ وَالرُّكَّعِ السُّجُودِ  
 
 
اور میری نعمتوں کا وہ زمانہ بھی یاد کرو جب میں نے وحی الہی کو انسانیت کے لئے بار بار رجوع کرنے اور قیام امن کے لئے مقرر کیا۔ اور حکم دیا کہ ابراہیم کی سیرت کی پیروی کرو اور ہم نے ابراہیم اور اسماعیل سے عہد لیا کہ میرے احکامات کو بار بار رجوع کرنے والوں اور غور و خوض کرنے والوں اور احکامات الہی پر عمل پیرا ہونے کے لئے ہمیشہ آمادہ رہنے والوں کے لئے ہر غیر الہی احکا مات سے پاک رکھو۔  
 
33:33  
 
وَقَرْنَ فِي بُيُوتِكُنَّ وَلَا تَبَرَّجْنَ تَبَرُّجَ الْجَاهِلِيَّةِ الْأُولَىٰ ۖ وَأَقِمْنَ الصَّلَاةَ وَآتِينَ الزَّكَاةَ وَأَطِعْنَ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ ۚ إِنَّمَا يُرِيدُ اللَّهُ لِيُذْهِبَ عَنكُمُ الرِّجْسَ أَهْلَ الْبَيْتِ وَيُطَهِّرَكُمْ تَطْهِيرًا  
 
 
اور اپنے اداروں میں وقار پیدا کرو ، اور جس طرح پہلے جہالت میں بلندی کا اظہار کرتے تھے اس طرح کا اظہارا نہ کرو اور الہی احکامات پر مبنی نظام قائم کرو ، اور معاشرے کی خوشحالی کا فریضہ انجام دیتے رہو ۔ اور مملکت خداداد کی اطاعت کرتے رہو ۔مملکت خداداد کا ارادہ ہے کہ وہ مملکت کے ادارے کی اہلیت والوں کو برائیوں سے پاک کرے ، اور تمہاری حقیقی تطہیر کرے ۔  
 
 
مباحث:۔  
" تبرّجن "۔۔مادہ ب ر ج ۔۔معنی ۔۔بلند و نمایاں ہونا ،زیبا ئش کرنا۔ قلعہ،محل ۔رکن ، فصیل پر بنا برج ۔  

Comments by: moazzam On 08 July 2011
Sister Nargis! SALAM WA RAHMAH.  
YOU ARE A GOOD TEACHER. May Allah Bless you with more wisdom

Comments by: Mubashir On 08 July 2011Report Abuse
Oh Brother!! (I mean........Sister)!!  
 
So….It is not getting any better. As if salat is not prayer, wudu is not washing, Saum is not fasting, Nubuwwat is continuing, etc. was not enough, now Yahood are not Jews, Nasara are not Christians, Sabians are something else!! A Muslim can be any peaceful person regardless of religion, Momins are peace keepers and guarantors of security and peace [Boy Oh Boy! And people think Perwez was nuts! Good thing he stopped where he did!!)  
 
Okay, let us leave aside linguistics for a moment. Question is if Salat has nothing to do with prayer, then why the Muslims have been performing it for the past 1400 years? Why does the Salat of the Jews resemble the Muslims (Jews are followers of earlier prophets)? Who introduced this to the Muslims? Is there a historical record which says it was sneaked in or enforced in and if so whether the Muslims protested against this “innovation?” Same goes for Saum!  
 
Any ideas? If we don’t have definitive answers for the above, then perhaps we need to stay open to Perwez’s suggestion that Salat the prayer is part of Salat the system.  
 
As for Maqam Ibrahim 99 percent of translators with 25 plus translations running simultaneously at www.islamawakened.com translate it as “Place of Ibrahim.” I wonder why? I think Qur'an interpration is extremely serious business as we don't want to end up among those who change Allah's words to suit as and then say "This is from Allah".  
 
That said, I will go through the links you have provided and see if they make sense to me.  
 
Thanks, anyways.  

Comments by: Nargis2 On 08 July 2011Report Abuse
Oh Brother!! (I mean........Sister)!!  
 
Oh don’t be sorry, only difference between Brother and Sister is that “sister” is spelled differently, with S and I, rest of the letters are same. Same goes for men and women, only difference is an X and a Y chromosome  
 
So….It is not getting any better. As if salat is not prayer, wudu is not washing, Saum is not fasting, Nubuwwat is continuing, etc. was not enough, now Yahood are not Jews, Nasara are not Christians, Sabians are something else!! A Muslim can be any peaceful person regardless of religion, Momins are peace keepers and guarantors of security and peace [Boy Oh Boy! And people think Perwez was nuts! Good thing he stopped where he did!!)  
 
Oh come on , your making us big headed , we know that “nuts” are healthy, thank you for the compliment. But we will blame you for our arrogance at the day of hashar measure :-D  
 
http://www.healthcastle.com/nuts-benefits.shtml  
 
Yes you are right about wudhu washing salat prayer soum fasting thing, and keep on reading; you will find more healthy nuts here. Keep your oxygen mask with you, in case it’s too much :) And you said your Wife complained about you questioning too much? Invite her to Aastana so she can see some ANSWERS for a change:-D  
 
No matter where or why Allama Parwez stopped, WE WONT!!!!!
 
 
Okay, let us leave aside linguistics for a moment. Question is if Salat has nothing to do with prayer, then why the Muslims have been performing it for the past 1400 years?  
 
We only know prayer was introduced round about 1100 years ago as part of Deen, by Hadith writers. Before Beemari and Co it is said there was something called Hamam ibne Mamba's manuscript.  
 
You can read more  
 
http://www.tolueislam.com/Parwez/mh/mh_01.htm  
 
So the answer to WHY Muslims THINK prayers are of Salaat, is …is..Hold on. Breath…is because they don’t KNOW what the Quran is saying.
 
 
Why does the Salat of the Jews resemble the Muslims (Jews are followers of earlier prophets)?  
 
Because Beemari and co just “stole” their practice and rituals, and introduced it as part of the Quran. Ever wondered why Salaat is TRANSLATED to namaz while HAJJ is not? Before that, his Jewish heroes stole most of it from Egyptian and Mesopotamian mythology and they are NOT following earlier prophets. Which one of Abraham and Moses introduced bloodlines and called their group Jewish? Which one of David or Solomon told the Jews they have to kill Palestinians to win the so called “holy land” I wonder which prophet they follow? Which prophet did they follow when they changed what they got from the prophets? Why do they call themselves Yehudi from the tribe of Judah, while they claim they are from Abraham? Shouldn’t they call themselves Abrahamic? “Follow the prophets” yeh yeh yeh yeh , and im the Tarzan Abu huraira  
 
http://www.google.com/books?hl=no&lr=&id=gBGgyJgiPw8C&oi=fnd&pg=PR9&dq=101+myths+of+the+bible&ots=mlSd_Sw4nV&sig=nc1Eixe2cTr3OujbQ4e7lgmgjCA#v=onepage&q&f=false  
 
http://www.bibleandhistory.com/101myths-book.htm  
 
http://doormann.tripod.com/the0.htm  
 
Who introduced this to the Muslims?  
 
http://www.tolueislam.com/Parwez/mh/mh_01.htm  
 
Is there a historical record which says it was sneaked in or enforced in and if so whether the Muslims protested against this “innovation?” Same goes for Saum!  
 
You don’t need a historical record to CONFIRM what you can SEE and UNDERSTAND direct from the source, that Salaat is NOT namaz (which is from hindu Namaste.) Everything is right there, and the Quran is talking, you don’t need a historical record to SEE that Muqaam is different than Maqaam,  
 
Any ideas? If we don’t have definitive answers for the above, then perhaps we need to stay open to Perwez’s suggestion that Salat the prayer is part of Salat the system.  
 
No, we can’t, because the Quran won’t allow us, it chooses its word so it fit perfectly in the context and can be examined through rattal and tasreef, and it’s pleasing the purpose of the Quran while the core message of the Quran is measured as well. We have to listen to the Quran and not Parwez.  
 
As for Maqam Ibrahim 99 percent of translators with 25 plus translations running simultaneously at www.islamawakened.com translate it as “Place of Ibrahim.” I wonder why? I think Qur'an interpration is extremely serious business as we don't want to end up among those who change Allah's words to suit as and then say "This is from Allah".  
 
we wonder why too, why did they do that and didn’t take into account the use of maqaam and muqaam at different places? It is serious business that’s why we are even looking at the vowel with u sounds as shown above. However, the book is given to EVERYONE, so everyone can examine and analyze it without being afraid of anything. Aur ap ko dar lage, to listen to this song, its very relaxing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cU9j8lWvIg - One favourite part of this song is:-  
 
Tu saharo (Guidance) ki ungli pakarna, teri ungli pakar le gi rahein (sirate mustaqem)-  
Aasma jhuk ke chome ga matha aur zameen uth ke de gi duaein  
 
It’s more in the cards and to be expected that the Quran is understood most excellent and superlative through its own language and not through Jewish practice, hadith writers and Allama Parwez.
 
 
That said, I will go through the links you have provided and see if they make sense to me.  
 
so nice,  
 
Thanks, anyways.  
 
no problem  

Comments by: Nargis2 On 08 July 2011Report Abuse
Dear brother moazzam im learning everything from you and dr uncle. Your encouraging word means a lot to me. I’m trying to follow what is said in the song I posted  
 
Tu saharo ki ungli pakarna, teri ungli pakar le ge rahein  
Asmaan jhuk ke choome ga matha aur zameen uth ke de gi duaein  
 
Galia to bohat le li, need some doeaein too :-D :-D  
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Mubashir brother, i just saw this in my own post  
 
“Wa qaalu kunoo Hoodan aou Nasaraa, tahtudu.Qul bal millata Ibrahima haneefa. Wa ma kana min al-mushrikeen.”  
 
“And people ask you to become Jew or Christian, you will be the guided ones. Tell them that the path of Abraham was straightforward and he was not one of the Mushrikeen (polytheists)”.  
 
This makes it even clearer, that Yahood and Nasara are characters, because the "group" that called them self Jews or Christians , already claim they follow Abraham.  
 
Jews even claim to be his DNA (ha-ha) and they FOLLOW him through their blood lines.  
 
Basically the invitation is to become Yahood and Nasara in behavior and character, to leave the efforts and hard work as prescribed in the Quran, and follow their chosen PATH (which made them yehud and nasara in character), while the OPPOSITE path is of Maqame Ibrahim, which leads to a character beneficial to humanity,and precisely in harmony with the Quran  
 
 

Comments by: Junaid On 08 July 2011Report Abuse
Comments by: moazzam On 08 July 2011  
Sister Nargis! SALAM WA RAHMAH.  
YOU ARE A GOOD TEACHER. May Allah Bless you with more wisdom
 
 
I completely agree with brother Moazzam :)

Comments by: DHULQARNAIN On 09 July 2011Report Abuse
Mubashir,  
 
10:37 And this Quran is not such as could be forged by those besides Allah, but it is a verification of that which is before it and a clear explanation of the Book, there is no doubt in it, from the Lord of the worlds.  
 
If we accept that there is no doubt in Al-Quran, then we must accept the following ayats as being without doubt:  
 
41:2-3 A revelation from the Beneficent, the Merciful. A Book of which the ayats are fully detailed, an Arabic Quran for a people who know —  
 
If you accept the above ayats, then it is absolutely apparent that salat/salaa cannot be a ritual prayer, because nowhere in Al-Quran are the details on how to perform the ritual so-called prayer.  
 
29:45 Recite that which has been revealed to thee of the Book and keep up salaa. Surely salaa prevents/makes impossible indecency/fashah and evil/munkar; and certainly the remembrance of Allah is the greatest (force). And Allah knows what you do.  
 
If salat was/is a ritual from Allah, then it certainly has not prevented the so-called muslims from doing fahsha and munkar, has it?  
 
It was the above ayats which convinced me that salaa cannot be a ritual.  
 
Dhulqarnain-  
 

Comments by: Mubashir On 21 July 2011Report Abuse
Dear Dhulqarnain-  
 
What about Salaat Isha and Salat Fajar? What about shortening salat in times of danger?  
 
Salat "prevents" people from misbehaving and Allah did not stay "Stops". We need to figure out why the salat of the Jews (as can be seen on Youtube) resembles that of Muslims? Did they borrow it from Persia as well? What about "call to prayer" on the day of assembly?  
 
As I said above, this is a very serious issue. We need to make double sure we are not distorting the Qur'an because we have to account for it. Therefore my hesitation in jumping in.  
 
Too many questions, too few convincing answers brother.

Comments by: Nargis2 On 21 July 2011Report Abuse
Mubashir:-" We need to figure out why the salat of the Jews (as can be seen on Youtube) resembles that of Muslims?  
 
I think I answered that earlier,,hmmmm Why Jewish prayer resembles that of Muslims?  
Yes, how is it possible when Jews wrote their books BEFORE Hadith? How is it possible that Abraham's story in Jewish sources is similar to Brahma's story ?  
 
“There are certain striking similarities between the Hindu god Brahma and his consort Saraisvati, and the Jewish Abraham and Sarai, that are more than mere coincidences. Although in all of India there is only one temple dedicated to Brahma, this cult is the third largest Hindu sect.”  
 
“the Arabian historians contend that Brahma and Abraham, their ancestor, are the same person. The Persians generally called Abraham Ibrahim Zeradust. Cyrus considered the religion of the Jews the same as his own. The Hindoos must have come from Abraham, or the Israelites from Brahma…” (Anacalypsis; Vol. I, p. 396.)
 
 
http://glasso.proweblog.com/archives/2008/12/19/11/  
 
Let me post my reply again, hope you read it this time  
 
Why does the Salat of the Jews resemble the Muslims (Jews are followers of earlier prophets)?  
 
Because Beemari and co just “stole” their practice and rituals, and introduced it as part of the Quran. Ever wondered why Salaat is TRANSLATED to namaz while HAJJ is not? Before that, his Jewish heroes stole most of it from Egyptian and Mesopotamian mythology and they are NOT following earlier prophets. Which one of Abraham and Moses introduced bloodlines and called their group Jewish? Which one of David or Solomon told the Jews they have to kill Palestinians to win the so called “holy land” I wonder which prophet they follow? Which prophet did they follow when they changed what they got from the prophets? Why do they call themselves Yehudi from the tribe of Judah, while they claim they are from Abraham? Shouldn’t they call themselves Abrahamic?  
 
Your second question which is also answered earlier but not read by you, or not noticed maybe.  
 
MUBASHIR:- For instance salat the Prayer is commanded at APPOINTED TIME. Quran speaks of 3 timings of prayer viz at both ends of the day and first part of night. 11:114  
 
If Saat only means system only, then what happens in between? We read about Salat Fajr and Salat Esha. Does that mean the system can only be practiced at times? What happens in between. Then we read about washing before prayers, We read about shortening the prayer at the battlefield (or when there is a threat), Call to prayer, not to go near it when the mind is messed up, losing prayers by behaving against what is being recited in it, that it prevents bad behaviour by raising awareness, etc. etc.
 
 
Earlier reply :-  
 
“Fa astaqim kama umirta wa mun taaba ma’aka wa la tatghaw innahu bima ta’maloona baseera. Wa la tarkanu ilal lazina zalamu fa tamassakum annaaru wa ma lakum min doonillaahi min aouliyaa’a thumma la tunsaroon. Wa aqim as Salaata tarfi an-nahaari wa zulfan min al-layil. Inna al-hasanaati yuzhibna as-Sayyi’aati. Zaalika zikra lilzakireen”.  
 
“So, as you are ordered, you and your companions be steadfast upon it and do not cross limis. Surely, He is  
keeping an eye on your conduct; and do not be soft on the cruel ones, lest fire should get hold of you; and that for you, no one is a friend except God and you will not be supported. And establish Salaat during both parts of the day and in the earlier part of night. Definitely, virtuous deeds offset the vices. This is an admonition for those who take care of admonitions”.  
 
note that “tarf" is generally translated as ‘side’ or ‘end’, whereas Quran has itself prescribed its meaning. For  
example, in Verse No.127 of Chapter “aal-Imraan”, TARF means a part. It is said :- …..”so that he may cut a part of disbelievers”. Therefore, according to Verse No.114 of Chapter “Hood”, the establishment of Salaat is expanded to both parts of the day, meaning the whole day. And the same task will be carried on till the first part of night; which means that the process of establishment of Salaat should remain in force and constant from morning  
till night. Now it is to be seen as to what is meant by day and night; whether the mention of day and night is with  
reference to the earthly routine, or the days here mean that period of time when Divine Commandments are revealed; and which is defined as “Dalook ash-Shams” in the Chapter “Bani Israel”. And the night symbolizes the ‘darkness of ignorance’. As submitted above, the beginning and the end of Chapter “Hood” testifies that the topic it is dealing with pertains to dissemination of tenets of divine books through Prophets.  
 
Hence, to derive Namaaz from it looks impertinent. this is just one example for how traditional translators overlook and ignore the message in the Quran.  
 
http://www.aastana.com/blog/aastanablog.asp?QID=1393  
 
What do you have to say to this?

Comments by: Perwez1 On 21 July 2011Report Abuse
NARGIS2: I think I answered that earlier,, Your second question which is also answered earlier but not read by you, or not noticed maybe.  
 
Mr. Mubashir did read your replies but he simply ignored them because he is not here to learn. otherwise Dr.Qamar's book Haqeeqat e Salaat would have been enough for him to understand. But the thing is that you can't do anything to change the deaf, dumb and blinds.  
 
I astonished why these people are so ignorant. The profile shows that this man Mubashir is from Canada. A person who ran away from Pakistan because he didn't have the courage to face the system and now living in a peaceful society. Why can't he understand that the Canadian society he is living in, has been created by those who don't believe in futile rituals but instead, they believe in practical efforts.  
And on the contrary, what did the Namazis do? What did they create?  
They created societies which are facing chaos and anarchy from the very beginning.  
And why am I wasting my time talking about this person? You can't make the sheeple, think!!!

Comments by: Mubashir On 21 July 2011Report Abuse
Just becuase a person leaves a country because of mismanagement, does not mean that the major cause of mismanagement is Salat. It may be because the country has not properly understood the proper meaning of Salat as explained by Perwez.  
 
So if people run stop lights, you blame the traffic code/act??  
 
I may be deaf, dumb and blind but I am not willing to allow myself to be fooled by neo-conservative exploring ways to redefiine Deen.  
 
1400 years of unbroken chain of fasting is now fasting no more? It is not as if it was lost in history and then reintroduced by the Ummayads. Same goes for Salat the prayer.  
 
Don't get mad people. Excercise caution. You are dealing with Allah's word here and not a state constitution being redifined by a parliament!! Allah warns us not to play with his Words. That is all I am saying. You don't just throw the baby out with the bath water.  
 
Take it in that spirit rather than ridicule and shooting the messenger!!  
 

Comments by: Perwez1 On 21 July 2011Report Abuse
MUBASHIR: Just becuase a person leaves a country because of mismanagement, does not mean that the major cause of mismanagement is Salat.  
PERWEZ: A person leaves the country only when he has no courage to come out of the comfort zones and take the stand against things that are wrong. This proves that you are not sincere with your people and your society, that's why you decided to run away!!!  
The cause of this mismanagement is misinterpretation of salaat and laziness of people like you who prefer running away towards comfort zones instead of facing things with courage, patience and wisdom.  
 
MUBASHIR: It may be because the country has not properly understood the proper meaning of Salat as explained by Perwez.  
PERWEZ: You mean Perwez is your God? Who cannot be wrong??? (This is the height of personality cult).  
 
MUBASHIR: So if people run stop lights, you blame the traffic code/act??  
PERWEZ: A totally absurd comparison which has got nothing to do with the situation. You should have taken part in educating people not to run stop lights, but you decided to run away.  
 
MUBASHIR: I may be deaf, dumb and blind but I am not willing to allow myself to be fooled by neo-conservative exploring ways to redefiine Deen.  
PERWEZ: Where is the DEEN you are talking about? You people are divided into so many sects and every sect talks about different things which is the biggest proof that you all are wrong. What sect are you following? Because without affiliation with a sect, you cannot follow a specific method of your ritual. If you don't want to be fooled then you should stay away from this blog. This is the best idea isn't it???  
 
MUBASHIR: 1400 years of unbroken chain of fasting is now fasting no more?  
PERWEZ: Can you prove this UNBROKEN CHAIN with references? Where this chain started from? You yourself said that your rituals have been taken from Jews. Can you produce any written document or a book prior to 9th century as evidence???  
NO YOU CAN'T !!!  
You can only produce your own hypothesis to justify your self assumed stance because you don't have the courage to face the tough situations and you cannot accept that Quran talks about struggle and practical efforts instead of sitting on a comfortable mattress and chanting words.  
DO NOT FORCE OTHERS TO BECOME LAZY, DUMB, COWARD AND IDOLATER LIKE YOU YOURSELF ARE.  
 
MUBASHIR: Exercise caution ... Take it in that spirit rather than ridicule and shooting the messenger!!  
PERWEZ: You can exercise all the caution you want because this is what you have learned from your ancestors who blocked all the paths leading towards research and development, using baseless threats.  
At least you admitted that you came here for a reason. It looks so awkward that you are constantly claiming yourself as a smart guy to be fooled, yet you are coming back again and again on this blog. Whats the point in writing all the nonsense you wrote?  
If you are the messenger then who is the sender of the message you are conveying?  
 
IT"S GOOD THAT MANY PEOPLE ARE SENSIBLE ENOUGH AND NOT DUMB LIKE YOU. OTHERWISE NONE WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DISCOVER THE TRUTH BEHIND THE CONJECTURE BEING FOLLOWED SINCE LAST 1200 YEARS.

Comments by: Nargis On 21 July 2011Report Abuse
I may be deaf, dumb and blind but I am not willing to allow myself to be fooled by neo-conservative exploring ways to redefiine Deen. Mubashir  
 
It's really nice to know, you came aaaall the way to Aastana to tell us you wont be fooled, but you expect us to be fooled by the same old arguments we already heard from sectarians? Nice try  
 
What's the point of you keep scaring us with "fatweh" instead of a constructive debate where YOU READ,,R E A D the "why's" of our point of views, and comment on that?  
 
You said Allah warned us not to play with his words, but how could you miss out Allah's urging us to STUDY his words?  
 
So all I'm saying is, read and please give a constructive comment , don't throw out the baby with or without the bathwater, save your fatweh for life long students.  
 
I have loads of questions in my mind, some of them are,  
 
*WHO OWN THE QURAN ?  
 
*WHO HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ALLOW OR DISALLOW THE STUDY OF THE QURAN?  
 
*ANYONE WHO DON'T WANT TO STUDY THE QURAN BUT FOLLOW A THOUGHT OF ONE PERSON WITHOUT CROSS EXAMINING IT, WITHOUT SEEING ANY PROOF FROM THE QURAN, DOES HE EVEN HAVE THE RIGHT TO POINT OUT HOW THE QURANIQ WORDS SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T BE UNDERSTOOD?  
 
Just curious  
 

Comments by: Mubashir On 21 July 2011Report Abuse
Dear Pervez, if you have a right to consider a scholar right ( like Dr Qamar) does that mean he is is God? As he could be wrong so can Perwez.  
 
Please stop sounding like a neo-conservative extremist!!  
 
Talk sense to be taken seriously Sir. People insecure within their belief respond the way you did.  
 
Have a nice day!!

Comments by: Nargis On 21 July 2011Report Abuse
Can you please share your thoughts on  
 
“Fa astaqim kama umirta wa mun taaba ma’aka wa la tatghaw innahu bima ta’maloona baseera. Wa la tarkanu ilal lazina zalamu fa tamassakum annaaru wa ma lakum min doonillaahi min aouliyaa’a thumma la tunsaroon. Wa aqim as Salaata tarfi an-nahaari wa zulfan min al-layil. Inna al-hasanaati yuzhibna as-Sayyi’aati. Zaalika zikra lilzakireen”.  
 
“So, as you are ordered, you and your companions be steadfast upon it and do not cross limis. Surely, He is  
keeping an eye on your conduct; and do not be soft on the cruel ones, lest fire should get hold of you; and that for you, no one is a friend except God and you will not be supported. And establish Salaat during both parts of the day and in the earlier part of night. Definitely, virtuous deeds offset the vices. This is an admonition for those who take care of admonitions”.  
 
note that “tarf" is generally translated as ‘side’ or ‘end’, whereas Quran has itself prescribed its meaning. For  
example, in Verse No.127 of Chapter “aal-Imraan”, TARF means a part. It is said :- …..”so that he may cut a part of disbelievers”. Therefore, according to Verse No.114 of Chapter “Hood”, the establishment of Salaat is expanded to both parts of the day, meaning the whole day. And the same task will be carried on till the first part of night; which means that the process of establishment of Salaat should remain in force and constant from morning  
till night. Now it is to be seen as to what is meant by day and night; whether the mention of day and night is with  
reference to the earthly routine, or the days here mean that period of time when Divine Commandments are revealed; and which is defined as “Dalook ash-Shams” in the Chapter “Bani Israel”. And the night symbolizes the ‘darkness of ignorance’. As submitted above, the beginning and the end of Chapter “Hood” testifies that the topic it is dealing with pertains to dissemination of tenets of divine books through Prophets.  
 
Hence, to derive Namaaz from it looks impertinent. this is just one example for how traditional translators overlook and ignore the message in the Quran.  
 
http://www.aastana.com/blog/aastanablog.asp?QID=1393
 

Comments by: Mubashir On 21 July 2011Report Abuse
Dear Nargis, Thanks for your comments. Attitude such as yours really helps to promote a healthry dialogue.  
 
So if someones quotes a warning to you from the Qur'an, you treat it as a Fatwah! Nice way out.  
 
Seems that life long student of yours has managed to get under your skin!! He has nothing to do with our on going discussion. Regarding definition of Salat, he may be on your side as well, so relax.  
 
People insecure withing their beliefs often display an attitude. So, not surprised.  
 
If you advance a theory (study) then don't be offended if people ask questions.  
 
Pervez says what proof we have that the Salaat and Fasting did not exist as an unbroken practice for 1400 years! That is universally accepted even by those who hate Islam. What proof do those have who believe that this practice never occured during the life of the Mesenger Muhammad but was sneaked in much later on gullible Muslims who took to it like fish takes to water without any protest. We have stories of Ali fighting Ayesha but the historians forget this part??  
 
BTW do you believe in asking Allah for guidance or..........according to your study, this is also an innovation introduced by the Persians and Jews?  
 

Comments by: Mubashir On 21 July 2011Report Abuse
Pervez1  
 
Do me a favour. Instead of preaching, why don't you declare Aastana a an NGO and then try to bring about the change you have discovered. Hold seminars. Organize speakers. Like G A Perwez, start weekly Darse Qur'an. Try to form a political party and work for real change. Do that in Pakistan and see if people are ready for your manifesto. For us it is easy to be armchair critics/reformists. Do what you think I should have done in Pakistan.  
 
Thanks and good luck.

Comments by: Nargis On 21 July 2011Report Abuse
I have posted my comment three times, and waiting for a healthy debate. Why have you not responded on that even though you are worried about the timing of Salaat? :-D  
 
BTW do you believe in asking Allah for guidance or..........according to your study, this is also an innovation introduced by the Persians and Jews? Mubashir  
 
IAsking Allah for guidance means to STUDY HIS MESSAGE, if you have a direct line to any PCO near Him, please share with me? :P  
 
When a student of law or medicine (or any profession) have exams, he take guidance from the books. So asking/ seeking for guidance means to study the guidance. Some people study their teachers or idols and cant enable themselves to cross examine the presented thoughts.  
 
You don't look for proofs, we want proofs. To you its okay that people have practised something for years even though the practise became a tradition as well as a habit. This is serving as proof for people with the mindset like you, but not for us. If you want to say this or that is in the Quran, you HAVE to PROVE it through the Quran. It must be found in the Quran and not in the practise of Jews or the thoughts of Allama Parwez.They can think and do whatever they want to, The Quraniq message will always be independent and it doesn't compromise with fantasies.  
 
I always wondered how people could accept something based on hearsay and without any proof. Why not just convert to Zorostrianism or judaism, if it is to accept something which is "universally accepted" already?  
 
Ancient Zoroastrians did NOT invent anything for US, its THEIR ancient religion, our unimaginative hadithheroes didn't have enough fantasy to make their own rituals, so they stole theirs.

Comments by: Perwez1 On 21 July 2011Report Abuse
 
Why would I do any favor to you and why should I follow the absurd ideas you are giving?  
WHY SHOULDN'T I FOLLOW THE TRUE QURANIC WAY???  
Quran has taught me the best practical, realistic and the most effective way to bring around a change in the society. Now I know what to do, but you know nothing about it, that is why you cannot think beyond NGOs, political parties, Dars etc. The method of bringing around a change has clearly been mentioned in Quran but you won't be able to understand that because the magnificence of the truth is still hidden from your sight. , So please keep your suggestions to yourself and keep doing your daily aerobic exercises in the name of futile rituals.  
One thing I must say here that the members of aastana have already succeeded to get themselves out of the mythical religious beliefs, dogmas, rituals and personality cults. You are talking about something which has already been discussed many times on this forum and your rituals have been proved as absurd by many participants earlier on. Perhaps it's time for you to realize that this forum is not a place for people like you and that you should not waste your own time, as well as the time of others by presenting your baseless hypothesis again and again.  
 
OH AND CHEERS!!!

Comments by: Perwez1 On 21 July 2011Report Abuse
NARGIS: Ancient Zoroastrians did NOT invent anything for US, its THEIR ancient religion, our unimaginative hadithheroes didn't have enough fantasy to make their own rituals, so they stole theirs.  
 
PERWEZ: I think the unimaginative and lazy but greedy hadithheros took a lot of things from the myths adopted by Jews who took them from Greek mythology. They also took a lot of things from Roman Catholics who themselves took their myths and religious concepts from Mithra-ism. The Despotic Rulers, the autocrats offered huge amounts of money to these Persians but they didn't have enough time to create myths and rituals of their own. All they did was to find the suitable words in Quran and replace them with the myths and rituals taken from books of Jews, Christians and Zoroastrians.  
It is important to note that without writing the hadiths, they couldn't convert the system of Salaat into Namaaz because أَقِيمُو۟ا ٱلصَّلَوٰةَ clearly says to implement Salaat whereas Namaz is READ while prayer is OFFERED and not implemented. It is a matter of common sense but there still are people who are dumb enough not to take note of this simple thing.  
 
For Roman Catholic Church, Check this out:-  
 
http://www.hope-of-israel.org/mithraism.html  
and  
http://www.gotquestions.org/origin-Catholic-church.html  
 
Here are the links for Jews and their history:-  
 
http://www.apfn.org/thewinds/library/khazars_2.html  
and  
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/israel/losttribes2.html#tribal  
and  
http://www.dangoor.com/74069.html  
 

Comments by: Nargis2 On 21 July 2011Report Abuse
And look at the word Namaz,  
 
namaste  
"salutatory gesture," 1948, from Hindi, from Skt. namas "bowing" + te, dative of tuam "you" (sing.). Used as a word of greeting from 1967.  
 
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/namaste  
 
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D9%86%D9%85%D8%A7%D8%B2#Persian  
 
namaaz 'prayer' is a (mod.) Persian word that can easily be derived from  
Pahlavi namAc [namaach --> namazh] and the related Avestan n@mah  
'honoring, apportioning', Skt. namas  
 
Phl. namAc is of course from the Old Iranian root(s) nam 'to  
bow/apportion' (Bartholomae 1041, Horn 1040) . Several other loan forms  
from Pahlavi are seen in Kurdish, etc.  
 
And, as such, it is closely related to Vedic/Skt. nam, namas, namas + te.  
 
Both go back to Indo-Iranian *nam 'to apportion', and then to Indo-European  
*nem (as in Greek nem-oo 'to apportion', Gothic nim-an (German nehmen 'to  
take') and Latvian n'e,mu 'to take' .  
 
So if we translateٱلصَّلَوٰةَا أَقِيمُو۟ to read namaaz, and then again translate the words it would be, "read bowing", or "read prostrating" :-S Even if some smarties would try to say no it is in fact to establish prostration or bowing, it still doesn't make sense,,establish prostrating 5 times a day, first intended 50 times a day?

Comments by: Mubashir On 22 July 2011Report Abuse
Nargis  
 
So, you don't believe in raising your hands and begging Allah for guidance as even scholars (both modern and traditional) cannot agree on Qur'an interpretation. We have a lot of evidence of it even among members of Aastana! Hope you never run into a life threatening situation where you may be urged within yourself to exclaim "Help me Allah"  
 
We read in the Qur'an that the Messenger prayed to Allah:  
 
{Muhammad Asad}  
 
9:80 [And] whether thou dost pray [unto God] that they be forgiven or dost not pray for them - [it will all be the same: for even] if thou wert to pray seventy times that they be forgiven, God will not forgive them, seeing that they are bent on denying God and His Apostle. And God does not bestow His guidance upon such iniquitous folk.  
 
In any case, since I am still not convinced that your rendering of Salat verses means salat the system alone and not prayer, let us agree to disagree. At my present level of knowledge, it is obvious that Salat the prayer is a component of Salat the System.  
 
To me it seems words are being stretched to suit a preconceived idea. But that's me. I dread engaging in changing meanings of Allah's words.  
 
Your theory on how salat and fasting was borrowed by Bukhari and Co. and introduced into the Ummah would make sense if, it can be proven that 1. The Messenger never offered one 2. This practice is an innovation and not an unbroken practice for 1400 years 3. The Muslims fell hook line and sinker for this innovation and no one resisted and we have no record whatsoever against such a "Biddat". As for Jews, we find Jesus prayed and he even "fell down" (prostated) before his Lord in prayer in the garden of Gethsamane.  
 

Comments by: Mubashir On 22 July 2011Report Abuse
Just for the record:  
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNxLF0ILFgw

Comments by: Nargis2 On 22 July 2011Report Abuse
:)  
 
Why do you refer to Jewish life long prayers,we don't follow them. What's next, are you going to quote the Bible Avesta and Geeta too? Everything but not the Quran...  
 
Secondly, you can try yourself, raise your hands and ask Allah to give you wahy , record a video while doing it, post it here "just for the record" and you will get your answers.  
 
wooouho, your Acting smart now, I have to prove that the messenger NEVER prayed when its you who claim he did?  
 
You don't refer to the Quran but I have to prove the messenger didn't pray, through other sources because you KNOW very well its not mentioned in the Quran (Thats why you like another member, smoothly avoid my comments on timing of salaat, your repeated question)...again a nice try.  
 
I have to prove to you that the prayer is NOT an unbroken practice for 1400 years, when its YOU whose claiming it is?  
 
YOU cant find it from the Quran, but refer to Life long students youtube videos to convince us they are practising Quran? Again nice try  
 
Did Allama Parwez refer to Jewish practice in his Dars? Just curious  
 
Have said it before,we don't accept anything OUTSIDE the Quran, we are not here to convince anyone about anything, we only present our understanding of the Quran, other people either study and agree, or reject it. very easy and simple.  
 
Anyway, what I understand is that you are a life long believer and wont study the Quran to learn what IT have to say, you will continue repeating your scholars thought which you can confirm through Jewish prayers. Yes we wont agree, but we can still be friends.

Comments by: Perwez1 On 22 July 2011Report Abuse
Mr. Mubashir; You are saying that people should do the following;  
 
 
1: They should follow the unbroken practice of their ancestors, despite the fact that it cannot be proved. You don;t even know who were your ancestors 6 or 7 generations ago. You cannot produce a single document written during the the time of Prophet (other than Quran), but still you insist that what you were told by your ancestors is correct.  
 
2: You are least interested in why no method of your prayers is mentioned in Quran. You are not even interested to know why there are no RAKAATS mentioned in Quran, rather you are talking about following the Jews and their religious practices and you are considering them more importatnt than Quran.  
 
I wonder whether you are too much impressed with Jews or you yourself are a Jew!!!  
 
Why don't you simply use Quran and answer three questions;  
 
1: Where is the method of your prayers written?  
2: Where are the number of RAKAATS mentioned?  
3: If these two things are not in Quran, then why Quran says everything is mentioned clearly and comprehensively in it and nothing is missing?  

Comments by: Mubashir On 22 July 2011Report Abuse
Thanks for your response Mr Pervez  
 
Please refrain from making wild assumptions calling me a Jew when you can't come up with a rational response. If I were a Jew, what could I care about changing words of Allah's Kalam. As the Qur'an says......"Think"!!  
 
Now, let us deal with your response in a cool and collected manner:  
 
You ask me to produce methods of salat from the Qur'an although Qur'an mentions masjid, sajda, rukooh, wudu, call to prayer, salat Isha, Salat fajr. Good question. Here is the answer:  
 
 
If we look at a traditional translation [Yusuf Ali] we find 2:239 translated as:  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Yusuf Ali: 2:239If ye fear (an enemy), pray on foot, or riding, (as may be most convenient), but when ye are in security, celebrate Allah's praises in the manner He has taught you, which ye knew not (before). We may ask here Allah is saying "In the manner He has taught you" and where is that manner found?  
 
We read further that:  
 
2:128 (Y. Ali) "Our Lord! make of us Muslims, bowing to Thy (Will), and of our progeny a people Muslim, bowing to Thy (will); and show us our place for the celebration of (due) rites; and turn unto us (in Mercy); for Thou art the Oft-Returning, Most Merciful  
 
 
 
His prayer was answered in 2:125.  
 
2:125 (Y. Ali) Remember We made the House a place of assembly for men and a place of safety; and take ye the station of Abraham as a place of prayer; and We covenanted with Abraham and Isma'il, that they should sanctify My House for those who compass it round, or use it as a retreat, or bow, or prostrate themselves (therein in prayer).  
 
The way the salat is prayed in the Maqam-e-ibraheem is the way we all are supposed to pray—that’s the way Allah taught us how to pray or where to take our prayer from, and how many times to pray in a day.  
 
The word “musalla” is ism-e-zaman and ism-e-makan, hence it speaks both of the place and timings.  
 
Don't agree? Upto you. My concern was not to play with Allah's Kalaam as He does not take kindly to that.  
 
May Allah guide us all as to make efforts is our job, to Guide is His.  
 
Regards.

Comments by: Mubashir On 22 July 2011Report Abuse
In fact this is part of a far larger picture, a picture of one of the many ways that Allah has protected the Qur'an by protecting the underlying Arabic language.  
 
A few years ago another attack on the Qur'an grew in popularity for a time, one that claimed that the Arabic language was largely corrupted. This group even had their own summary of what some of the common Qur'anic words "really" meant... prior to a "great conspiracy" to substitute false meanings.  
 
But this can be shown to be nonsense precisely because of all the linguistic relationships between words in Arabic and cognate words in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Syriac.  
 
If such a conspiracy had existed, the far ranging web of related words would be broken in many places; there would be a serious etymological discontinuity.  
 
No such massive disconnect is found.  
 
 

Comments by: Perwez1 On 22 July 2011Report Abuse
Why I am suspecting you to be a Jew?  
Because you are promoting the Jewish religion just like the Jewish did during the era of Umayyad autocrats. They did get the support from Arab kings of those times but you will not get any support on this forum for all the absurd ideas you are coming up with.  
Even those ancient Jews couldn't force the concepts of your kind of PRAYER in Quran without taking help from books of hadith. You are yet to show me the method of your Namaz and the number of RAKAAT given in Quran. Don't try to stretch the meanings to suit your statements because the translations you quoted are not showing anything about the method despite all the brackets and stuff. Read the context of these verses and you'll know what the verses are saying.  
 
WHERE ARE THE RAKAATS MENTIONED IN QURAN????  
You are deliberately avoiding this question because you have no answer to it.  
 
First you said you are following a chain of your ancestors, then you said you are following the methods of JEWS and now you are stretching Quranic verses to misguide readers. (the verses are not talking about rituals or the aerobic you do everyday).  
 
WHERE ARE THE RAKAATS MENTIONED IN QURAN?  
If they are not there then who invented those and why your namaz resembles so much with Zoroastrian prayers?  
 
Don't forget that the majority of religious freaks follow Christian - Roman Catholic religion today. They are blindly following conjecture, despite being much educated and technological advanced than the so called Muslims. Even they say that same that No such massive disconnect is found in their religion. Look at the constantly declining situation of Muslims. This deterioration is the biggest evidence that they lost their DEEN and started following a man-made religion.  
 
BOTTOM LINE IS THAT RELIGION AND RELIGIOUS MYTHS, DOGMAS AND RITUALS ARE THE REAL CAUSE OF DECLINE OF HUMANITY AND ALL THE BLOODSHED.  
 
Last words;  
I have been reading the previous comments and I noticed that you have deliberately avoided some very genuine comments and questions raised by Nargis and Junaid. What kind of debate is this, where you ignore the comments of participants and keep on posting your baseless assumptions?

Comments by: Mubashir On 22 July 2011Report Abuse
You are free to suspect all you want. You think I am a Jew trying to introduce Salat (although I do not accept Muhammad as Apostle of Allah)!! What have I to gain from this? Brownie points?!! You almost sound like a Lahore Gate Mullah.  
 
Now you are saying the salat was introduced by the Jews in the Ummayya period. No one objected. No one protested. All were fast asleep!!  
 
Some on the forum claim it was introduced by the Persians. Some say the Jews borrowed it from the Egyptians.  
 
And so on and so forth round and round they go.  
 
However, even the worst enemies of Islam/critics fail to prove that the salaat and fasting has not been in existence for 1400 years!! They made all kinds of assumptions but never accused the Muslims borrowing Salat and Fasting during the Ummaya period/Persia/Eygpt! Come on. Be fair Brother.  
 
If it did, you must have some proof. Present your proof if you are truthful. Refer to some modern or ancient books written both by Muslims and Orientalists. Who knows. You may end up having a case.  
 
Since you won't be able to let us agree to disagree and move on.  
 
Have a nice day!!

Comments by: Perwez1 On 22 July 2011Report Abuse
Instead of answering the questions I have raised, you are twisting my words and this is another proof that you are not here to talk about Quran, rather you came here to preach us your Jewish religion.  
 
I never said Jews introduced Salaat, they actually distorted the slaaat by converting it to the rituals you are talking about. You have tried your level best to distract people and to force them not to try and understand the true magnificence of Quran by insisting that the book speaks about mere rituals and dogmas which were the part of Jewish religion. I think two times you posted the video of a Jewish ritual in an attempt to convince people to accept Jewish religion as authentic. (this is what the real enemies of Islam did in the past).  
 
I would request all the readers to go through this guy's comments and see how many times he tried to prove Jews and their man-made religion as authentic by saying that Muslims should follow their footsteps.  
 
If you have any doubt about it, you can read Dr. Shabbir's book Criminals of Islam where he has mentioned people like you who tried to distort the basic ideology and unfortunately the succeeded at that time.  
 
My purpose is not to make you agree with me because I know you are You are not here to learn, rather you are an evil intruder who just came here to disturb others from learning.  
 
NOTE: THERE ARE MANY QUESTIONS WHICH YOU FAILED TO ANSWER AND NOW YOU ARE TWISTING MY WORDS BY MIXING SALAAT WITH A RITUAL. LET ME REPEAT THAT I NEVER SAID JEWS INTRODUCE SALAAT, RATHER I SAID JEWS INTRODUCED A MAN MADE RITUAL AND YOU ARE DOING THE SAME.

Comments by: Yellow-cow On 22 July 2011Report Abuse
You are free to suspect all you want. You think I am a Jew trying to introduce Salat (although I do not accept Muhammad as Apostle of Allah) Mobashir  
 
Shalom ,Jews also not accept Mohammed as Apostle of Allah, but they accept praying and that Uzair is Allahs son.  
 
you say However, even the worst enemies of Islam/critics fail to prove that the salaat and fasting has not been in existence for 1400 years!! Mobashir  
 
and the worst jewish agents from zionists failed to proof prayer namaz from the Quran. dont you know most jews living in bokhara at that time? searching for bokhara jews and reading their histori. watch Bokhari from Bokhara, allowing analsex by refering to jewish arcticehttp://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/060.sbt.html#006.060.050  
 
Just coinsident, jewish dominanse in bokhara and bokhari shareef from their area writing about jewish activities traing to convince this is Islam? He is doing same like you, showing jewish parctices and activities to say somthine in islam. Is he your twin brother?  
 
Funny Man Mobashir, you say you dont accept mohammed as apostle of Allah, but you mean he prayed like Jews, to konfirm unbreakable chain of pray practice? What difference to you it make, if he prayed or not, you dont accept him as apostle of Allah? Anything he done, is not islamiq according to your belief, simpli because you dont accept him as apostle of Allah. Do you think Bokhari and Jews in youtobe video are apostles of Allah?

Comments by: Perwez1 On 22 July 2011Report Abuse
MUBASHIR: Now you are saying the salat was introduced by the Jews in the Ummayya period. No one objected. No one protested. All were fast asleep!! Some on the forum claim it was introduced by the Persians. Some say the Jews borrowed it from the Egyptians.  
 
PERWEZ: I think you should try and read some history instead of all this guesswork because the neutral history shows how many people were slaughtered by tyrant Umayyad and Abbasid autocratic regime, for raising their voices against the conspiracies.  
 
All the Jews, Persian and Christian are interlinked with each other since they are following man-made religions and not the teachings of prophets. If you would have bothered to read the links I shared in one of my post, you wouldn't have been through all this confusion. But you didn't read those links because your aim was not to discuss Quran, rather you wanted to prove Jewish religion as authentic and superior.  
(Any reader can check Mr. Mubashir's posts to see what he has been trying to do).  
 
AND YOU HAVEN'T ANSWERED THE QUESTION YET!  
WHERE IS THE METHOD OF RITUAL GIVEN IN QURAN?  
WHERE ARE THE RAKAATS MENTIONED IN QURAN???

Comments by: Mubashir On 23 July 2011Report Abuse
Dear Pervez1  
 
 
 
To begin with, let me be clear. Based on my study, I believe that Salat the prayer is a component of Salat the system.  
 
 
 
If people were to say Salat the prayer does not make any sense in this day and age, is read in a language we don't understand, is no longer relevant, etc. etc. it would be an entirely different matter. But to ditch it althogether while there is evidence for it in the Qu'ran, is, to me not fair.  
 
 
 
Hey! must give it to you!! You are a champion conspiracy theorist. People like you are in great demand in Pakistan. Infact conspiracy theories sustain us Pakistanis because we  
 
 
 
don't want to own up, grow up and take charge. We are like littile kids. Even if there is flood in the country the Jews are behind it if not the CIA or RAW!!  
 
 
 
 
 
Talk some sense other than "Jew Jew Jew" to be taken seriously, Bro.  
 
 
 
 
 
No sense in recycling what I posted. Start reading from the top and see if you  
 
 
 
agree with me. If you don't, then don't take the easy way out by shouting "Jew Jew Jew". You start sounding like Ameer of Jamaat e Islami !!  
 
 
 
 
 
You wrote: "...then you said you are following the methods of JEWS and now you are stretching Quranic verses to misguide readers. .."  
 
 
 
 
 
No Sir. All I am saying is that Muhammad did not invent Salat. We read in the Qur'an about the Salat of previous prophets. Therefore I am trying to ask is there a co-incidence that Salat of followers of previous Prophets resembles ours?? Please dont assume. If you are not sure, ask.  
 
 
 
 
 
The prayer offered by the Jews and Christians has been referred to in the Bible at various places and just as in the Qur’ān the prayer has been called after its constituent rituals and utterances like remembering Allah, reading a portion of the Qur’ān, invoking Allah, glorifying Him and kneeling and  
 
 
 
prostrating before Him, likewise in the Bible also the prayer has been called after its constituent practices and utterances:  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
From there he [--Abraham--] went on toward the hills east of Bethel and pitched his tent, with Bethel on the west and Ai on the east. There he built an  
 
 
 
altar to the LORD and called on the name of the LORD.(Genesis, 12:8)  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Abram bowed down in prostration, and God spoke to him. (Genesis, 17:3)  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
The men turned away and went toward Sodom, but Abraham remained standing before the LORD. (Genesis, 18:22)  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
He said to his servants, “Stay here with the donkey while I and the boy go over there. We will prostrate ourselves and then we will come back to you.”  
 
 
 
 
 
 
(Genesis, 22:5)  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Isaac built an altar there and called on the name of the LORD. (Genesis, 26:25)  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
And they believed. And when they heard that the LORD was concerned about them and had seen their misery, they bowed down in prostration. (Exodus, 4:31)  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
In the morning O Lord, you will hear my voice. I will wait for you in your presence after the prayer. (Psalm 5:3)  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
But I, by your great mercy, will come into your house; in reverence will I bow down in prostration toward your holy temple. (Psalm 5:7)  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
But I call to God, and the LORD saves me. Evening, morning and noon I will cry out in distress, and he will hear my voice. (Psalm 55:16-17)  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
The sea is his, for he made it, and his hands formed the dry land. Come, let us kneel and bow down in worship, let us bend our knees before the LORD our  
 
 
 
 
 
 
Maker. (Psalm 95:5-6)  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
I will bow down in prostration toward your holy temple and will praise your name for your love and your faithfulness, for you have exalted above all  
 
 
 
 
 
 
things your name and your word. (Psalm 138:2)  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
When your people Israel have been defeated by an enemy because they have sinned against you, and when they turn back to you and confess your name,  
 
 
 
 
 
 
praying and making supplication to you in this temple, then hear from heaven and forgive the sin of your people Israel and bring them back to the land  
 
 
 
 
 
 
you gave to their fathers. (Kings, 8:33-4)  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Stand at the gate of the Lord’s house and there proclaim this message: Hear the word of the Lord all you people of Judah who come through these gates to  
 
 
 
 
 
 
prostrate before the Lord. (Jeremiah, 7:2)  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Now when Daniel learned that the decree had been signed, he went home to his upstairs room where the windows opened toward Jerusalem. Three times a day  
 
 
 
 
 
 
he got down on his knees and prayed, giving thanks to his God and glorified him, just as he had done before. (Daniel, 6:10)  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
So I turned to the Lord God and pleaded with him in prayer and petition, in fasting, and in sackcloth and ashes. (Daniel, 9:3)  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
After he had dismissed them, he went up on a mountainside by himself to pray. When evening came, he was there alone. (Matthew, 14:23)  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Then Jesus went with his disciples to a place called Gethsemane, and he said to them, “Sit here while I go over there and pray.” (Matthew, 26:36)  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Going a little farther, he fell down in prostration and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me.” (Matthew, 26:39)  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Very early in the morning, while it was still dark, Jesus got up, left the house and went off to a solitary place, where he used to pray. (Mark, 1:35)  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
“Why are you sleeping?” he asked them. “Get up and pray so that you will not fall into temptation.” (Luke, 22:46)  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
One day Peter and John were going up to the temple at the time of prayer at the ninth part of the day.[9] (Acts, 3:1)  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray.[10] (Acts, 10:9)  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
When this had dawned on him, he went to the house of Mary the mother of John, also called Mark, where many people had gathered and were praying. (Acts,  
 
 
 
 
 
 
12:12)  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
On the Sabbath we went outside the city gate to the river, where we usually prayed. We sat down and began to speak to the women who had gathered there.  
 
 
 
 
 
 
(Acts, 16:13)  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
About midnight Paul and Silas were praying and singing hymns and glorifying God, and the other prisoners were listening to them. (Acts, 16:25)  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
When he had said this, he knelt down with all of them and prayed. (Acts 20:36)  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
The Qur'an also tells us about the prayers of previous Prophets and their followers:  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
When Abraham (sws) settled his son Ishmael (sws) in the barren land of Makkah, he underlined the objective of this endeavour as:(14: 37) رَبَّنَا لِيُقِيمُواْ الصَّلاَةَ (Lord  
 
 
 
 
 
 
so that they show diligence in the prayer, (14:37)). At that instance, he had also prayed:(14: 40) رَبِّ اجْعَلْنِي مُقِيمَ الصَّلاَةِ (O Lord! Make me and my progeny diligent in  
 
 
 
 
 
 
the prayer, (14:40)). About Ishmael (sws), the Qur’ān says: (19: 55) وَكَانَ يَأْمُرُ أَهْلَهُ بِالصَّلَاةِ (He would instruct his family to pray, (19:55)). About the Prophets that  
 
 
 
 
 
 
belong to the progeny of Isaac (sws) and Jacob (sws), the Qur’ān says: (21: 73) وَأَوْحَيْنَا إِلَيْهِمْ فِعْلَ الْخَيْرَاتِ وَإِقَامَ الصَّلَاةِ (And We sent them inspiration to do good deeds and to be  
 
 
 
 
 
 
diligent in the prayer, (21:73)). When the Prophet Moses (sws) was commissioned, he was told:(20: 14) وَأَقِمِ الصَّلَاةَ لِذِكْرِي (And be diligent in the prayer to  
 
 
 
 
 
 
remember me, (20:14)). About the Prophet Zakariyyah (sws), the words used are: (3: 39)وَهُوَ قَائِمٌ يُصَلِّي فِي الْمِحْرَابِ (While he was standing in prayer in the chamber,  
 
 
 
 
 
 
(3:39)). The Prophet Jesus (sws) said about himself:(31:19) وَأَوْصَانِي بِالصَّلَاةِ (And God has directed me to offer the prayer, (19:31)). Luqmān was considered a wise  
 
 
 
 
 
 
person among the Arabs. We are told by the Qur’ān that he gave the following words of advice to his son:  
 
 
 
(31: 17) يَا بُنَيَّ أَقِمِ الصَّلَاةَ (O my son! Show diligence in the prayer (31:17)). The Almighty pledged a promise with the Israelites in the words:(5: 12) اِنِّي مَعَكُمْ لَئِنْ اَقَمْتُمُ الصَّلاَةَ (I  
 
 
 
 
 
 
am with you if you are diligent in the prayer (5:12)). The Qur’ān bears witness to the fact that in the times of the Prophet Muhammad (sws), the  
 
 
 
 
 
 
righteous among the Jews and Christians adhered to the prayer:  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
مِّنْ أَهْلِ الْكِتَابِ أُمَّةٌ قَآئِمَةٌ يَتْلُونَ آيَاتِ اللّهِ آنَاء اللَّيْلِ وَهُمْ يَسْجُدُونَ  
 
 
 
Of the People of the Book, there is a group which is honouring their covenant with God. They stand at night to recite his verses and prostrate  
 
 
 
 
 
 
themselves before the Almighty. (3:113)  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
The same has been attributed to the Idolaters of Arabia who were offering some sort of prayer as well:  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
فَوَيْلٌ لِّلْمُصَلِّينَ الَّذِينَ هُمْ عَن صَلَاتِهِمْ سَاهُونَ  
 
 
 
So woe to these [custodians of the Baytullah] who offer the prayer while being unmindful of its reality. (107:4-5)  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
You conveniently fail to observe that all I am saying is that Salat the prayer is a component of Salat the system.  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Dear Pervez1  
 
 
 
To begin with, let me be clear. Based on my study, I believe that Salat the prayer is a component of Salat the system.  
 
 
 
If people were to say Salat the prayer does not make any sense in this day and age, is read in a language we don't understand, is no longer relevant, etc. etc. it would be an entirely different matter. But to ditch it althogether while there is evidence for it in the Qu'ran, is, to me not fair.  
 
 
 
Hey! must give it to you!! You are a champion conspiracy theorist. People like you are in great demand in Pakistan. Infact conspiracy theories sustain us Pakistanis because we  
 
 
 
don't want to own up, grow up and take charge. We are like littile kids. Even if there is flood in the country the Jews are behind it if not the CIA or RAW!!  
 
 
 
 
 
Talk some sense other than "Jew Jew Jew" to be taken seriously, Bro.  
 
 
 
 
 
No sense in recycling what I posted. Start reading from the top and see if you  
 
 
 
agree with me. If you don't, then don't take the easy way out by shouting "Jew Jew Jew". You start sounding like Ameer of Jamaat e Islami !!  
 
 
 
 
 
You wrote: "...then you said you are following the methods of JEWS and now you are stretching Quranic verses to misguide readers. .."  
 
 
 
 
 
No Sir. All I am saying is that Muhammad did not invent Salat. We read in the Qur'an about the Salat of previous prophets. Therefore I am trying to ask is there a co-incidence that Salat of followers of previous Prophets resembles ours?? Please dont assume. If you are not sure, ask.  
 
 
 
 
 
The prayer offered by the Jews and Christians has been referred to in the Bible at various places and just as in the Qur’ān the prayer has been called after its constituent rituals and utterances like remembering Allah, reading a portion of the Qur’ān, invoking Allah, glorifying Him and kneeling and  
 
 
 
prostrating before Him, likewise in the Bible also the prayer has been called after its constituent practices and utterances:  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
From there he [--Abraham--] went on toward the hills east of Bethel and pitched his tent, with Bethel on the west and Ai on the east. There he built an  
 
 
 
altar to the LORD and called on the name of the LORD.(Genesis, 12:8)  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Abram bowed down in prostration, and God spoke to him. (Genesis, 17:3)  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
The men turned away and went toward Sodom, but Abraham remained standing before the LORD. (Genesis, 18:22)  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
He said to his servants, “Stay here with the donkey while I and the boy go over there. We will prostrate ourselves and then we will come back to you.”  
 
 
 
 
 
 
(Genesis, 22:5)  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Isaac built an altar there and called on the name of the LORD. (Genesis, 26:25)  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
And they believed. And when they heard that the LORD was concerned about them and had seen their misery, they bowed down in prostration. (Exodus, 4:31)  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
In the morning O Lord, you will hear my voice. I will wait for you in your presence after the prayer. (Psalm 5:3)  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
But I, by your great mercy, will come into your house; in reverence will I bow down in prostration toward your holy temple. (Psalm 5:7)  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
But I call to God, and the LORD saves me. Evening, morning and noon I will cry out in distress, and he will hear my voice. (Psalm 55:16-17)  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
The sea is his, for he made it, and his hands formed the dry land. Come, let us kneel and bow down in worship, let us bend our knees before the LORD our  
 
 
 
 
 
 
Maker. (Psalm 95:5-6)  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
I will bow down in prostration toward your holy temple and will praise your name for your love and your faithfulness, for you have exalted above all  
 
 
 
 
 
 
things your name and your word. (Psalm 138:2)  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
When your people Israel have been defeated by an enemy because they have sinned against you, and when they turn back to you and confess your name,  
 
 
 
 
 
 
praying and making supplication to you in this temple, then hear from heaven and forgive the sin of your people Israel and bring them back to the land  
 
 
 
 
 
 
you gave to their fathers. (Kings, 8:33-4)  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Stand at the gate of the Lord’s house and there proclaim this message: Hear the word of the Lord all you people of Judah who come through these gates to  
 
 
 
 
 
 
prostrate before the Lord. (Jeremiah, 7:2)  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Now when Daniel learned that the decree had been signed, he went home to his upstairs room where the windows opened toward Jerusalem. Three times a day  
 
 
 
 
 
 
he got down on his knees and prayed, giving thanks to his God and glorified him, just as he had done before. (Daniel, 6:10)  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
So I turned to the Lord God and pleaded with him in prayer and petition, in fasting, and in sackcloth and ashes. (Daniel, 9:3)  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
After he had dismissed them, he went up on a mountainside by himself to pray. When evening came, he was there alone. (Matthew, 14:23)  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Then Jesus went with his disciples to a place called Gethsemane, and he said to them, “Sit here while I go over there and pray.” (Matthew, 26:36)  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Going a little farther, he fell down in prostration and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me.” (Matthew, 26:39)  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Very early in the morning, while it was still dark, Jesus got up, left the house and went off to a solitary place, where he used to pray. (Mark, 1:35)  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
“Why are you sleeping?” he asked them. “Get up and pray so that you will not fall into temptation.” (Luke, 22:46)  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
One day Peter and John were going up to the temple at the time of prayer at the ninth part of the day.[9] (Acts, 3:1)  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray.[10] (Acts, 10:9)  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
When this had dawned on him, he went to the house of Mary the mother of John, also called Mark, where many people had gathered and were praying. (Acts,  
 
 
 
 
 
 
12:12)  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
On the Sabbath we went outside the city gate to the river, where we usually prayed. We sat down and began to speak to the women who had gathered there.  
 
 
 
 
 
 
(Acts, 16:13)  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
About midnight Paul and Silas were praying and singing hymns and glorifying God, and the other prisoners were listening to them. (Acts, 16:25)  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
When he had said this, he knelt down with all of them and prayed. (Acts 20:36)  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
The Qur'an also tells us about the prayers of previous Prophets and their followers:  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
When Abraham (sws) settled his son Ishmael (sws) in the barren land of Makkah, he underlined the objective of this endeavour as:(14: 37) رَبَّنَا لِيُقِيمُواْ الصَّلاَةَ (Lord  
 
 
 
 
 
 
so that they show diligence in the prayer, (14:37)). At that instance, he had also prayed:(14: 40) رَبِّ اجْعَلْنِي مُقِيمَ الصَّلاَةِ (O Lord! Make me and my progeny diligent in  
 
 
 
 
 
 
the prayer, (14:40)). About Ishmael (sws), the Qur’ān says: (19: 55) وَكَانَ يَأْمُرُ أَهْلَهُ بِالصَّلَاةِ (He would instruct his family to pray, (19:55)). About the Prophets that  
 
 
 
 
 
 
belong to the progeny of Isaac (sws) and Jacob (sws), the Qur’ān says: (21: 73) وَأَوْحَيْنَا إِلَيْهِمْ فِعْلَ الْخَيْرَاتِ وَإِقَامَ الصَّلَاةِ (And We sent them inspiration to do good deeds and to be  
 
 
 
 
 
 
diligent in the prayer, (21:73)). When the Prophet Moses (sws) was commissioned, he was told:(20: 14) وَأَقِمِ الصَّلَاةَ لِذِكْرِي (And be diligent in the prayer to  
 
 
 
 
 
 
remember me, (20:14)). About the Prophet Zakariyyah (sws), the words used are: (3: 39)وَهُوَ قَائِمٌ يُصَلِّي فِي الْمِحْرَابِ (While he was standing in prayer in the chamber,  
 
 
 
 
 
 
(3:39)). The Prophet Jesus (sws) said about himself:(31:19) وَأَوْصَانِي بِالصَّلَاةِ (And God has directed me to offer the prayer, (19:31)). Luqmān was considered a wise  
 
 
 
 
 
 
person among the Arabs. We are told by the Qur’ān that he gave the following words of advice to his son:  
 
 
 
(31: 17) يَا بُنَيَّ أَقِمِ الصَّلَاةَ (O my son! Show diligence in the prayer (31:17)). The Almighty pledged a promise with the Israelites in the words:(5: 12) اِنِّي مَعَكُمْ لَئِنْ اَقَمْتُمُ الصَّلاَةَ (I  
 
 
 
 
 
 
am with you if you are diligent in the prayer (5:12)). The Qur’ān bears witness to the fact that in the times of the Prophet Muhammad (sws), the  
 
 
 
 
 
 
righteous among the Jews and Christians adhered to the prayer:  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
مِّنْ أَهْلِ الْكِتَابِ أُمَّةٌ قَآئِمَةٌ يَتْلُونَ آيَاتِ اللّهِ آنَاء اللَّيْلِ وَهُمْ يَسْجُدُونَ  
 
 
 
Of the People of the Book, there is a group which is honouring their covenant with God. They stand at night to recite his verses and prostrate  
 
 
 
 
 
 
themselves before the Almighty. (3:113)  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
The same has been attributed to the Idolaters of Arabia who were offering some sort of prayer as well:  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
فَوَيْلٌ لِّلْمُصَلِّينَ الَّذِينَ هُمْ عَن صَلَاتِهِمْ سَاهُونَ  
 
 
 
So woe to these [custodians of the Baytullah] who offer the prayer while being unmindful of its reality. (107:4-5)  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
You conveniently fail to observe that all I am saying is that Salat the prayer is a component of Salat the system.  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Dear Pervez1  
To begin with, let me be clear. Based on my study, I believe that Salat the prayer is a component of Salat the system.  
If people were to say Salat the prayer does not make any sense in this day and age, is read in a language we don't understand, is no longer relevant, etc. etc. it would be an entirely different matter. But to ditch it althogether while there is evidence for it in the Qu'ran, is, to me not fair.  
Hey! must give it to you!! You are a champion conspiracy theorist. People like you are in great demand in Pakistan. Infact conspiracy theories sustain us Pakistanis because we  
don't want to own up, grow up and take charge. We are like littile kids. Even if there is flood in the country the Jews are behind it if not the CIA or RAW!!  
Talk some sense other than "Jew Jew Jew" to be taken seriously, Bro.  
No sense in recycling what I posted. Start reading from the top and see if you  
agree with me. If you don't, then don't take the easy way out by shouting "Jew Jew Jew". You start sounding like Ameer of Jamaat e Islami !!  
You wrote: "...then you said you are following the methods of JEWS and now you are stretching Quranic verses to misguide readers. .."  
No Sir. All I am saying is that Muhammad did not invent Salat. We read in the Qur'an about the Salat of previous prophets. Therefore I am trying to ask is there a co-incidence that Salat of followers of previous Prophets resembles ours?? Please dont assume. If you are not sure, ask.  
The prayer offered by the Jews and Christians has been referred to in the Bible at various places and just as in the Qur’ān the prayer has been called after its constituent rituals and utterances like remembering Allah, reading a portion of the Qur’ān, invoking Allah, glorifying Him and kneeling and  
prostrating before Him, likewise in the Bible also the prayer has been called after its constituent practices and utterances:  
From there he [--Abraham--] went on toward the hills east of Bethel and pitched his tent, with Bethel on the west and Ai on the east. There he built an  
altar to the LORD and called on the name of the LORD.(Genesis, 12:8)  
Abram bowed down in prostration, and God spoke to him. (Genesis, 17:3)  
The men turned away and went toward Sodom, but Abraham remained standing before the LORD. (Genesis, 18:22)  
He said to his servants, “Stay here with the donkey while I and the boy go over there. We will prostrate ourselves and then we will come back to you.”  
(Genesis, 22:5)  
Isaac built an altar there and called on the name of the LORD. (Genesis, 26:25)  
And they believed. And when they heard that the LORD was concerned about them and had seen their misery, they bowed down in prostration. (Exodus, 4:31)  
In the morning O Lord, you will hear my voice. I will wait for you in your presence after the prayer. (Psalm 5:3)  
But I, by your great mercy, will come into your house; in reverence will I bow down in prostration toward your holy temple. (Psalm 5:7)  
But I call to God, and the LORD saves me. Evening, morning and noon I will cry out in distress, and he will hear my voice. (Psalm 55:16-17)  
The sea is his, for he made it, and his hands formed the dry land. Come, let us kneel and bow down in worship, let us bend our knees before the LORD our  
Maker. (Psalm 95:5-6)  
I will bow down in prostration toward your holy temple and will praise your name for your love and your faithfulness, for you have exalted above all  
things your name and your word. (Psalm 138:2)  
When your people Israel have been defeated by an enemy because they have sinned against you, and when they turn back to you and confess your name,  
praying and making supplication to you in this temple, then hear from heaven and forgive the sin of your people Israel and bring them back to the land  
you gave to their fathers. (Kings, 8:33-4)  
Stand at the gate of the Lord’s house and there proclaim this message: Hear the word of the Lord all you people of Judah who come through these gates to  
prostrate before the Lord. (Jeremiah, 7:2)  
Now when Daniel learned that the decree had been signed, he went home to his upstairs room where the windows opened toward Jerusalem. Three times a day  
he got down on his knees and prayed, giving thanks to his God and glorified him, just as he had done before. (Daniel, 6:10)  
So I turned to the Lord God and pleaded with him in prayer and petition, in fasting, and in sackcloth and ashes. (Daniel, 9:3)  
After he had dismissed them, he went up on a mountainside by himself to pray. When evening came, he was there alone. (Matthew, 14:23)  
Then Jesus went with his disciples to a place called Gethsemane, and he said to them, “Sit here while I go over there and pray.”(Matthew, 26:36)  
Going a little farther, he fell down in prostration and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me.”(Matthew, 26:39)  
Very early in the morning, while it was still dark, Jesus got up, left the house and went off to a solitary place, where he used to pray. (Mark, 1:35)  
“Why are you sleeping?” he asked them. “Get up and pray so that you will not fall into temptation.” (Luke, 22:46)  
One day Peter and John were going up to the temple at the time of prayer at the ninth part of the day.[9] (Acts, 3:1)  
About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray.[10] (Acts, 10:9)  
When this had dawned on him, he went to the house of Mary the mother of John, also called Mark, where many people had gathered and were praying. (Acts,  
12:12)  
On the Sabbath we went outside the city gate to the river, where we usually prayed. We sat down and began to speak to the women who had gathered there.  
(Acts, 16:13)  
About midnight Paul and Silas were praying and singing hymns and glorifying God, and the other prisoners were listening to them. (Acts, 16:25)  
When he had said this, he knelt down with all of them and prayed. (Acts 20:36)  
The Qur'an also tells us about the prayers of previous Prophets and their followers:  
When Abraham (sws) settled his son Ishmael (sws) in the barren land of Makkah, he underlined the objective of this endeavour as:(14: 37) رَبَّنَالِيُقِيمُواْ الصَّلاَةَ (Lord  
so that they show diligence in the prayer, (14:37)). At that instance, he had also prayed:(14: 40) رَبِّ اجْعَلْنِي مُقِيمَالصَّلاَةِ (O Lord! Make me and my progeny diligent in  
the prayer, (14:40)). About Ishmael (sws), the Qur’ān says: (19: 55) وَكَانَيَأْمُرُ أَهْلَهُ بِالصَّلَاةِ (He would instruct his family to pray, (19:55)). About the Prophets that  
belong to the progeny of Isaac (sws) and Jacob (sws), the Qur’ān says: (21: 73) وَأَوْحَيْنَا إِلَيْهِمْ فِعْلَ الْخَيْرَاتِ وَإِقَامَالصَّلَاةِ (And We sent them inspiration to do good deeds and to be  
diligent in the prayer, (21:73)). When the Prophet Moses (sws) was commissioned, he was told:(20: 14) وَأَقِمِ الصَّلَاةَ لِذِكْرِي (And be diligent in the prayer to  
remember me, (20:14)). About the Prophet Zakariyyah (sws), the words used are: (3: 39)وَهُوَقَائِمٌ يُصَلِّي فِي الْمِحْرَابِ (While he was standing in prayer in the chamber,  
(3:39)). The Prophet Jesus (sws) said about himself:(31:19) وَأَوْصَانِي بِالصَّلَاةِ(And God has directed me to offer the prayer, (19:31)). Luqmān was considered a wise  
person among the Arabs. We are told by the Qur’ān that he gave the following words of advice to his son:  
(31: 17) يَا بُنَيَّ أَقِمِالصَّلَاةَ (O my son! Show diligence in the prayer (31:17)). The Almighty pledged a promise with the Israelites in the words:(5: 12) اِنِّي مَعَكُمْ لَئِنْاَقَمْتُمُ الصَّلاَةَ (I  
am with you if you are diligent in the prayer (5:12)). The Qur’ān bears witness to the fact that in the times of the Prophet Muhammad (sws), the  
righteous among the Jews and Christians adhered to the prayer:  
مِّنْ أَهْلِ الْكِتَابِ أُمَّةٌقَآئِمَةٌ يَتْلُونَ آيَاتِ اللّهِ آنَاءاللَّيْلِ وَهُمْ يَسْجُدُونَ  
Of the People of the Book, there is a group which is honouring their covenant with God. They stand at night to recite his verses and prostrate  
themselves before the Almighty. (3:113)  
The same has been attributed to the Idolaters of Arabia who were offering some sort of prayer as well:  
فَوَيْلٌلِّلْمُصَلِّينَ الَّذِينَ هُمْ عَن صَلَاتِهِمْسَاهُونَ  
So woe to these [custodians of the Baytullah] who offer the prayer while being unmindful of its reality. (107:4-5)  
You conveniently fail to observe that all I am saying is that Salat the prayer is a component of Salat the system.  
 
As for Rakats and Sajdas and what to read in Salat the prayer, please refer to2:125  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Comments by: Mubashir On 23 July 2011Report Abuse
Yellow-cow  
 
To start with let me be clear. I believe that Salat the prayer is a component of Salat the socio economic system. So, please relax.  
 
You jumped in in a coversation between myself and Pervez1 and without following the thread you made an assumption and started commenting. It like someone boards a bus and jumps into a converstaion without knowing where did it start from!!  
 
Anyway, Here is what I wrote upon being told by Pervez1 that he suspects I am a Jew :  
 
"You are free to suspect all you want. You think I am a Jew trying to introduce Salat (although I do not accept Muhammad as Apostle of Allah)!! What have I to gain from this? Brownie points?!! You almost sound like a Lahore Gate Mullah.  
 
Okay now read the above again and notice I used the word "Think". I used that word because Pervez1 assumes I am a Jew which implies as a Jew (according to his assumption) that I don't accept Muhammad as an apostle of Allah!!  
 
See what happens when you are in haste?  
 
No Sir. I am a Qur'an based Muslim and I do accept Muhammad  
as Apostle of Allah.  
 
I feel it is clear from the Qur'an that Salat the prayer is a component of Salat the system. If people were honest, they would discuss whether the prayer part has any relevance in this day and age or not rather than denying it!!  
 
Hope I made myself clear. Have a great day!  
 
 
 

Comments by: Perwez1 On 23 July 2011Report Abuse
Mr. Mubashir, I think you are taking an undue advantage of the freedom of speech here. Look at the mess you have created. No sensible person would read what you have writing above because you needlessly wasted the space and all you did throughout your post is to quote the books of Jews comparing them with Quran to portray them as legitimate.  
 
Why are you so determined to prove their religion as the most authentic ???  
 
Throughout your argument, starting from the very first comment, you are focusing not on salaat but on Jews. Even a 5 year pld child could understand what your purpose is. Let me tell you what you are doing;  
 
You are using the word Salaat to attract readers but your basic topic is to prove authenticity of JEWS and their religious practices. The summary of your comments is this;  
1: Salaat is ritual, no salaat is a system, no salaat is both. What???  
2: Ok just accept salaat as ritual because Jews also believe in it.  
3: Jews and their books talk about rituals therefore it is legitimate.  
4: If it was not a system then Jews would never have done it.  
5: Look at the video where jews are offering prayer. this means prayer is legitimate. What???  
6: Don't say anything about Jews or else I'll start insulting Pakistanis.  
7: Follow what the books of Jews and Christians say.  
8: Hadiths are man made books but the books of Jews are authentic.  
9: You must follow what Jews do because their religion is authentic.  
10: And if you'll argue, I'll make fun of your forum by posting lengthy meaning less comments leaving empty gaps of more than 5 lines just to annoy you.  
 
And then you are accusing others for interrupting. If you would've come here to debate and discuss, you wouldn't have simply ignored the important points raised in the beginning. But you ignored all the points raised by senior members and you targeted those who are new here. You have not answered a simple question;  
WHERE ARE THE RAKAATS MENTIONED IN QURAN?  
You are ignoring this question again and again!!!  
All you are doing is to focus on Jews and their books to prove authenticity of Rituals.  
 
I AGREE WITH THE OBSERVATION OF YELLOW COW.

Comments by: Mubashir On 23 July 2011Report Abuse
Dear Pervez1  
 
Sorry about the formatting. I think I must have clicked twice.  
 
Anyway: Your assumption:  
 
The summary of your comments is this;  
1: Salaat is ritual, no salaat is a system, no salaat is both. What???  
 
Totally off base.  
 
Start reading from the top. From the beginning I am saying that Salat is a component of Salat the system.  
 
As for rakats and timings see 2:125. We are to take our salat the prayer from Maqaam e Ibraheem.  
 
Take care!!  

Comments by: Mubashir On 23 July 2011Report Abuse
 
[Dont listen to me - Read Qur'an]  
 
The Qur'an also tells us about the prayers of previous Prophets and their followers:  
When Abraham (sws) settled his son Ishmael (sws) in the barren land of Makkah, he underlined the objective of this endeavour as:(14: 37) رَبَّنَالِيُقِيمُواْ الصَّلاَةَ (Lord so that they show diligence in the prayer, (14:37)). At that instance, he had also prayed:(14: 40) رَبِّ اجْعَلْنِي مُقِيمَالصَّلاَةِ (O Lord! Make me and my progeny diligent in  
the prayer, (14:40)). About Ishmael (sws), the Qur’ān says: (19: 55) وَكَانَيَأْمُرُ أَهْلَهُ بِالصَّلَاةِ (He would instruct his family to pray, 19:55)). About the Prophets that belong to the progeny of Isaac (sws) and Jacob (sws), the Qur’ān says: (21: 73) وَأَوْحَيْنَا إِلَيْهِمْ فِعْلَ الْخَيْرَاتِ وَإِقَامَالصَّلَاةِ (And We sent them inspiration to do good deeds and to be diligent in the prayer, (21:73)). When the Prophet Moses (sws) was commissioned, he was told:(20: 14) وَأَقِمِ الصَّلَاةَ لِذِكْرِي (And be diligent in the prayer to  
remember me, (20:14)). About the Prophet Zakariyyah (sws), the words used are: (3: 39)وَهُوَقَائِمٌ يُصَلِّي فِي الْمِحْرَابِ (While he was standing in prayer in the chamber,  
(3:39)). The Prophet Jesus (sws) said about himself:(31:19) وَأَوْصَانِي بِالصَّلَاةِ(And God has directed me to offer the prayer, (19:31)). Luqmān was considered a wise  
person among the Arabs. We are told by the Qur’ān that he gave the following words of advice to his son:  
(31: 17) يَا بُنَيَّ أَقِمِالصَّلَاةَ (O my son! Show diligence in the prayer (31:17)). The Almighty pledged a promise with the Israelites in the words:(5: 12) اِنِّي مَعَكُمْ لَئِنْاَقَمْتُمُ الصَّلاَةَ (I  
am with you if you are diligent in the prayer (5:12)). The Qur’ān bears witness to the fact that in the times of the Prophet Muhammad (sws), the  
righteous among the Jews and Christians adhered to the prayer:  
مِّنْ أَهْلِ الْكِتَابِ أُمَّةٌقَآئِمَةٌ يَتْلُونَ آيَاتِ اللّهِ آنَاءاللَّيْلِ وَهُمْ يَسْجُدُونَ  
Of the People of the Book, there is a group which is honouring their covenant with God. They stand at night to recite his verses and prostrate themselves before the Almighty. (3:113)  
The same has been attributed to the Idolaters of Arabia who were offering some sort of prayer as well:  
فَوَيْلٌلِّلْمُصَلِّينَ الَّذِينَ هُمْ عَن صَلَاتِهِمْسَاهُونَ  
So woe to these [custodians of the Baytullah] who offer the prayer while being unmindful of its reality. (107:4-5)  
You conveniently fail to observe that all I am saying is that Salat the prayer is a component of Salat the system.  
 
As for Rakats and Sajdas and what to read in Salat the prayer, please refer to 2:125  

Comments by: Perwez1 On 23 July 2011Report Abuse
Mubashir, Now you are trying to act smart and you are misleading the readers by twisting the words of Quran!!!  
 
There is nothing mentioned in 2:125 about RAKAAT or number of RAKAAT. It's ٱلرُّكَّعِ and this word can be seen in 2:43 as رَكِعِينَ which has got nothing to do with RAKAAT. You are simply trying to change the meaning of words of Quran to support your baseless theories.  
 
What you are doing is to give others an impression that Quran is giving incomplete and vague statements and that everyone should read quran keeping in mind the following;  
 
1: Follow what your ancestors told you.  
2: Follow what majority believe in.  
3: Follow what Jews do.  
 
All three of these acts have been contradicted by Quran which categorically tells us the following;  
 
1: Do not follow priests, rabbis and other religious personalities (no personality cult)  
2: Do not follow your ancestors because they are following nothing but conjecture  
3: Do not follow anything other than Quran.  
4: Do not give impression to others that Quran is incomplete and it needs other sources to be understood.  
5: Do not try to add anything to Quran  
 
An attempt to present Jewish religion as authentic and superior (Something which your Jew friends did in the early days of Islam during Umayyad era).  
 
Why are you forcing people to go against the Quranic instructions?  
Why are you determined to degrade the status of Quran to a book of myths and rituals?  
Why are you forcing others not to consider the brighter side of the message and continue believing in rituals?  
 
The readers here are smart enough to see your motive and they have gone through sufficient research and analysis to accept Salaat as a system of peace, equality and harmony among the society.  
 
STOP DEGRADING THE MAGNIFICENT QURAN BY TWISTING IT'S WORDS PLEASE!!!

Comments by: Mubashir On 23 July 2011Report Abuse
Dear Pervez1  
 
Thanks for a civil tone.  
 
The reason I presented verses both from Bible and Quran was to prove that Salat the prayer which is a component of salat the system was not introduced by The Apostle. It was a continuation.  
 
What is so hard to understand here?  
Who is twisting words? Allah knows and those visiting this Blog!!  
 

Comments by: Perwez1 On 23 July 2011Report Abuse
Mubashir, You are denying something which you did right now and you are again trying to divert the topic, but I will not let you get away with it.  
 
You said in your last comments;  
MUBASHIR: As for Rakats and Sajdas and what to read in Salat the prayer, please refer to 2:125  
 
This is where you twisted the word ٱلرُّكَّعِ in 2:125 by converting it to RAKAAT and then you totally ignored my comments where I pointed out what you did.  
 
Here is the actual translation of 2:125;  
اور میری نعمتوں کا وہ زمانہ بھی یاد کرو جب میں نے وحی الہی کو انسانیت کے لئے بار بار رجوع کرنے اور قیام امن کے لئے مقرر کیا۔ اور حکم دیا کہ ابراہیم کی سیرت کی پیروی کرو اور ہم نے ابراہیم اور اسماعیل سے عہد لیا کہ میرے احکامات کو بار بار رجوع کرنے والوں اور غور و خوض کرنے والوں اور احکامات الہی پر عمل پیرا ہونے کے لئے ہمیشہ آمادہ رہنے والوں کے لئے ہر غیر الہی احکا مات سے پاک رکھو۔  
 
And here is the translation of 2:43;  
اور احکامات الہی کے تحت نظام قائم کرو اور معاشرے کے تزکیہ کی ذمہ داری اٹھاؤ اور ہمیش تیار رہنے والوں کے ساتھ تیار رہو۔  
 
وَالرُّكَّعِ stands for احکامات الہی پر عمل پیرا ہونے کے لئے ہمیشہ آمادہ رہنے والوں  
وَارْكَعُوا مَعَ الرَّاكِعِينَ stands for تیار رہنے والوں کے ساتھ تیار رہو۔  
 
Also to remind you that you completely ignored a question raised by one of the member in the following discussion;  
http://www.aastana.com/blog/aastanablog.asp?QID=1393  
You ran away, pretending as if you have not seen the question.  
 
Let me quote the question;  
Comments by: Junaid On 04 July 2011  
I would like to know that when أَقِيمُو۟ا ٱلصَّلَوٰةَ has been mentioned clearly in the verse then why وَٱرْكَعُو۟ا مَعَ ٱلرَكِعِينَ is mentioned separately? Provided that رْكَعُو۟ is already a part of ritual prayer, according to traditional translation.  
 
In the same thread, Nargis explained it very clearly what Maqaam-e-Ibraheem actually stands for.  
Unfortunately you ignored those comments too.  
 
MUBASHIR: The reason I presented verses both from Bible and Quran was to prove that Salat the prayer  
 
And now you came with Bible? What do you want to prove?  
Authenticity of Bible OR authenticity of prayer because Bible says so?  
Do we need Bible and actions of JEWS to authenticate Quran?  
Why are you so determined to undermine the status of Quran?  
 
MUBASHIR: The Qur'an also tells us about the prayers of previous Prophets and their followers  
 
It would be better if you read the book "HAQEEQAT-E-SALAAT" by Dr. Qamar. The book will clear all your misunderstanding. The prophets never wasted their time in futile rituals and the creator doesn't need praises from human beings. The creator is guiding us to live a life of peace and harmony in simple words but it is people like you who are determined to misguide others by making things look complicated.  
 
ANOTHER UNSUCCESSFUL ATTEMPT TO DECEIVE THE READERS.  
 
YOU HAVE CHOSEN A WRONG PLATFORM TO PRESENT YOUR HYPOTHESIS. PERHAPS IT'S TIME FOR YOU TO GO AND DISCUSS ALL THESE BASELESS THEORIES WITH THOSE YOU CAN FOOL EASILY AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT AASTANA IS NOT THAT PLACE FOR SURE.  
 

Comments by: Nargis On 24 July 2011Report Abuse
Is the Jewish prayer from Youtube confirmed in the Quran? I think you should read brother Parwez points carefully and try to answer them step by step. And share your thoughts on my post regarding Maqame Ibrahim and timing of salaat which is confusing you. The traditional translation and views based on Hadith or personal views are rejected. If you want to convince us, you must do it through the Quran and its own words. You must provide proof for something you claim to be Islamic or true.

Comments by: Mubashir On 24 July 2011Report Abuse
Pervez1, Thanks for your comments. I repeat my answers below:  
 
When you read 2:125 it refers to Maqam Ibraheem where prayer can be seen live to this day. How to pray (including number of Rakaats), what to pray, when to pray, is all covered.  
 
As for Maqam Ibraheem please visit www.islamawakned.com and read 25 plus translations of the Qur'an and you will be surprised to find 99% translate Maqam e Ibraheem as "Ibraheem's place of prayer".  
 
If we look at a traditional translation [Yusuf Ali] we find 2:239 translated as:  
 
Yusuf Ali: If ye fear (an enemy), pray on foot, or riding, (as may be most convenient), but when ye are in security, celebrate Allah's praises in the manner He has taught you, which ye knew not (before).  
 
The question now arises is that if we take "Celebrate Allahs praises in tha manner He taught you" as Salah/Prayer then where is that method explained/detailed in the Qur'an?  
 
Here’s the answer:  
 
If you take a look at the verse 2:128, Ibraheem is seen as praying to Allah, asking Him how to show him his “manaasiks” (devotional rituals).  
 
2:128 (Y. Ali) "Our Lord! make of us Muslims, bowing to Thy (Will), and of our progeny a people Muslim, bowing to Thy (will); and show us our place for the celebration of (due) rites; and turn unto us (in Mercy); for Thou art the Oft-Returning, Most Merciful  
 
His prayer was answered in 2:125.  
 
2:125 (Y. Ali) Remember We made the House a place of assembly for men and a place of safety; and take ye the station of Abraham as a place of prayer; and We covenanted with Abraham and Isma'il, that they should sanctify My House for those who compass it round, or use it as a retreat, or bow, or prostrate themselves (therein in prayer).  
 
The way the salat is prayed in the Maqam-e-ibraheem is the way we all are supposed to pray—that’s the way Allah taught us how to pray or where to take our prayer from, and how many times to pray in a day.  
 
As for Nargis explaining the meaning of Maqam Ibraheem, clearly there is a difference of opinion about this term between her and others. I respect that and ask you to do the same.  
 
No, I did not run away from Junaid's question. I copy my reply from the same page you refer me to:  
 
As for 2:03 it applied to establshing a system whereby Allah's laws are followed and salat the prayer is part of it.  
 
2:43 And help establish the Divinely guided System in the society, and help set up the equitable Economic Order. And bow to these Commands as others have bowed.  
 
For instance salat the Prayer is commanded at APPOINTED TIME. Quran speaks of 3 timings of prayer viz at both ends of the day and first part of night. 11:114  
 
If Saat only means system only, then what happens in between? We read about Salat Fajr and Salat Esha. Does that mean the system can only be practiced at these times? What happens in between. Then we read about washing before prayers, We read about shortening the prayer at the battlefield (or when there is a threat), Call to prayer, not to go near it when the mind is messed up, losing prayers by behaving against what is being recited in it, that it prevents bad behaviour by raising awareness, etc. etc.  
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My point in referring to Qur'an's telling us about the salat the prayer of People of the Book is to show you that it existed prior to Muhammad (S) and the Qur'an is right: It resembles salat the prayer of the Muslims!!  
 
To sum up, in my humble opinion Salat the prayer is a component of Salat the System.  
 
Have a nice day!!  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
The word “musalla” is ism-e-zaman and ism-e-makan, hence it speaks both of the place and timings  

Comments by: Junaid On 24 July 2011Report Abuse
Dear Perwez;  
I would request you to kindly read my comments on the following thread;  
http://www.aastana.com/blog/aastanablog.asp?QID=1511#COM7916  
 
Those who agree and those who have understood the concept, are already here and discussing. Those who do not agree can presents their arguments and move on if they are not convinced. I don't think anyone has ever done anything like this before that he / she kept on forcing others to accept his/her ideas, only because the traditional translators say so.  
 
NOTE: Anyone who is willing to learn and to gain something, should first read the articles and books written by Dr. Qamar. His words are his thoughts which he has already conveyed to us in a very comprehensive manner. If anyone has any objection, he/she can discuss it on the forum but the discussion should primarily be based on the contents available in the articles and books of Dr. Qamar. Use proper logic and reason to criticize and genuine criticism to debate. Do not force others to believe something you consider as correct only because traditional translators defined it in a specific way and because majority believe in it.
 
 
You agree, then you are most welcome to stay, discuss and learn more.  
You don't agree, then you better move on and do not create a situation around.
 
 
Also please note the following Guidelines for participation;  
6. No kind of rigidity, extremism, air of authority, religious edicts or final words are employed.  
7. The fundamental goal is to explore and discover the original logic, reason, rationality and wisdom of Quranic constitution that can be intellectually and empirically established in this scientifically advanced world. And to set it free from myth, miracles, fantasies, superstitions, dogmas and rituals.
 
 
It is quite obvious that this person "Mubashir" comes in the same category of Dhulqarnain. He is not here to learn rather he is simply dictating his own illusions that were perceived in a state of ignorance and he is not willing to give up those perceptions.  
I would request you and other members, to stop responding to his baseless arguments and concentrate on the process of learning through research.

Comments by: Perwez1 On 24 July 2011Report Abuse
Mubashir has not answered my question regarding RAKAAT. He turned the topic to Muqaam e Ibraheem while he totally ignored the basic question.  
 
MUBASHIR: As for Rakats and Sajdas and what to read in Salat the prayer, please refer to 2:125  
 
Instead of showing me where the word RAKAAT is mentioned in 2:125 as he said in his previous statement, he is dodging the readers.  
 
Mr. Junaid I agree with you. There is not point in further discussion, since the topic is out of context and the person is using deception instead of straight and to the point debate.

Comments by: abdullahbashoeb On 25 July 2011
Salam,  
 
 
Allah authoritatively declares through various verses; the Qur’an  
presents the code dealing with the practical life of humans, making  
it easy for them to manage their normal, daily routines. However,  
if a person asks the Islamic priests, the command for practicing  
five daily prayers does not exist in the last revelation, they,  
immediately, come out with their typical response, “One cannot  
find everything in the Qur’an. For this particular subject, one has  
to consult Ahadith and Sunnah.”  
 
Don’t you think, this weird and bizarre statement coming from  
you, the priesthood, is not a deceptive answer, a derogatory  
declaration, and defiance against Allah’s proclamation,  
when He proclaims, “We have revealed the complete  
code of life for the entire humanity?”  
 
 
If one further argues that, in the case of inheritance, Allah went into the details of shares for each family member, and used  
fractions like 1/2 and 1/6th to guide the people. Why then, there is  
not even a single passing reference about the prayers and  
supplications or for that matter Dua in the last revelation of Allah?  
If these are so important and provide the only ladder to the coveted  
Junnah [paradise], then why Allah does not mention even minor  
details of daily prayers in the Qur’an? Would you please like to  
answer that query?  
 
 
Allah has provided clear information about the month of fasting in  
the Qur’an; then why, the same Allah, ignores the important topic,  
pertaining to the ritual of Sallat? Do you have a rejoinder for that  
one?  
 
 
Why the Qur’an does not specify timings for prayers? Who created  
these and why? Would you like to comment on that?  
 
 
If the Iranian Nimaz or supplication is an essential element of Al-  
Deen, then why the names of five daily prayers: Fajar, Zohar,  
Asar, Mugrab and Isha are non-existent in Allah’s final Book? If  
these are non-existent in the Qur’an, then wherefrom did these  
originate, and who was the originator? How do you view that  
important topic?  
 
 
Why the Qur’an is completely silent about the number of the  
component rakats [modules] of various prayers such as Sunnat,  
Fard, Nafal, Vitar, and Traveh? Where did these come from, and  
who were the perpetrators of such blasphemy? Do you have any  
answer?  
 
Why does the Qur’an not identify the verses suitable for recitation  
in each rakat of every prayer? What do you say about that?  
 
Atta-Hyatt, an essential component to be recited before the  
completion of each module of prayer, consisting of two Rakats, is  
not available in the Qur’an. Who wrote and introduced this Arabic  
passage for the Nimaz, [prayer] and how did they dare to equate  
this human insertion with the text of Allah? Come out with your  
response!  
 
Where does the Qur’an mention that recitation of Surah Al-Fatiah  
is compulsory in every Rakat of each Nimaz? How do you look at  
that aspect of Iranian Nimaz?  
 
If one points out, ‘well the Farad modules of all prayers are for  
Allah, and the Sunnat component is for Mohammad,’ the Muslim  
priests would gladly agree. Now, here a question pops up; the  
companions of Mohammad, during his lifetime, used to perform  
Farad for Allah, but what did they used to do during Sunnat? It  
seems ridiculous for the last Messenger to declare his personal  
prayer. Did he use to sit in front of his praying companions, while  
they performed the ritual in his name? Conversely, it means during  
Farad they bowed down to Allah, but during the performance of  
Sunnat, they doubled over in front of Mohammad. It is evident that  
along with worshipping Allah, they offered adulation to  
Mohammad by executing his Sunnat, but it could have never  
happened, as it would tantamount to challenging Allah’s unique  
and exclusive position within the universe. Therefore, the Sunnat  
prayer constitutes an antithesis of Allah’s declaration of solitary  
existence [Towheed]. Would you like to contradict the above  
statement?  
 
The term Allah-o-Akhabar is a repetitive and essential constituent  
of all prayers, but why it does not appear anywhere in the Qur’an?  
Have you ever thought about that?  
 
All Muslim sects claim that Sallat or prayers, without Qayyam,  
Rakooh and Sajood, are incomplete, but all of them execute funeral  
prayers [supplication not recommended by the Qur’an] without  
those essential elements, Rakooh and Sajood. Is it possible, Allah  
could come up with such contradictory commands? How do you  
explain that paradox?  
 
The Shi’ah begin their Wadu or ablution from the feet, in contrast  
to the Sunni, who begin with the face first. Can Allah issue such  
stupid and inconsistent commands? Do you agree or go the other  
way?  
 
The followers of Khalifa Arashad confirm [Moslem. Org. edited by  
Edip Yuksel], one can pray naked, in one’s own privacy. It may be  
all right to do so in a nudist club, where all members are naked in  
an exclusively secluded spot. Would it be all right to visit such a  
sexy environment for supplication? Would you condemn the  
command of Khalifa Arashad or go there for the fun?  
 
Is it possible to identify even a single verse of the Qur’an, which  
issues specific command on the subject of funeral prayers? Come  
out with your rejoinder, if you have any!  
 
Which verse or, verses of the Qur’an provide details about Eid-ul-  
Fitar prayer? Please tell the Ummah if you know!  
 
Does the Qur’an mention Eid-ul-Dahha prayer in any verse, and  
where is it written for the Muslims to follow the Sunnah of  
Abraham, pertaining to the sacrificial lamb?  
 
Does the Qur’an instruct the Sunni Muslims to celebrate the  
festival of Eid-e-Meellaad-un-Nabi, through any verse? What do  
you say about that?  
 
Sahih Bukhari presents separate Darood-o-Salam, for the Sunni  
sect! The question arises; from where did he get anecdotal eulogies  
for the last Messenger of Allah, and who authorized such extreme  
variations among various Muslim sects? Do you have any  
information about that topic?  
 
Aazan and Ata-Hayyat, two fundamental ingredients of Sallat lack  
authentication of the Qur’an. Undoubtedly, all these practices are  
time wasting rituals, which can never be an integral part of the  
dynamic charter of rights and obligations the Qur’an presents to  
the entire humanity. In addition, every sect, including Shi’ah,  
Sunni, Isamali, Wahabi, and the followers of Khalifa Arshad of the  
USA, have basic differences in their way of praying, contradicting  
the Qur’an’s claim; this book is free of conflicts. How would you  
react to that factual statement?  
 
Shi’ah has different Aazan as compared to their Sunni counterparts.  
Can you identify, which one is in line with Allah’s  
commandments?  
 
The word Sallat has appeared 67 times in the Qur’an and at most  
spots; it is followed by the term Zakkat. This in simple term means,  
administration and fiscal management of an Islamic state. The  
Islamic priesthood has made a blatant violation of the Arabic  
lexicon and syntax, by translating Sallat into an Iranian word  
Nimaz. The five prayers per day is a figment of some demented  
mind’s imagination or, had been a deliberate attempt to derail the  
dynamic program of government formation, under the charter of  
the Qur’an. This twisted introduction into the divine social order  
has destroyed the effectiveness of Allah’s constitution, given to the  
human beings for having a successful, prosperous, and secure way  
of life, in this world. Sunni, Wahabi and Shi’ah pray five times a  
day, while the followers of Agha Khan and those of Ballag-ul-  
Quran establishment in Pakistan opt for three prayers a day. Both  
of the latter sects claim; three times supplication is better than five  
times, as it saves valuable time, and constitutes a straight passage  
to heaven. Would you please comment on this terminal issue from  
the viewpoint of the Qur’an?  
 
Iqam, Ruku, and Sajjdah are integral constituents of all prayers  
except the funeral. The following Duas are recited in all prayers on  
daily basis:  
 
• Before starting the prayer, the worshipper has to say in the  
mute mode, ‘Auzu billahi-minash-shayta nirrajeem’ [I seek  
refuge in Allah from Shaytian (devil), the evicted one].  
• In the starting Rakat, the following Dua is recited:  
Subbhanak Allahumma wa bihamdika wa tabarakasmuka  
wa taala jadduka wa la ilaha ghayruk [Glory to you, O  
Allah! And praised be the blessed name of our forefathers.  
• Saying Ameen loud during the prayers of Fajar and Isha is  
considered essential.  
 
Note:  
Jews and Christians also do the same drill with Ameen in their  
prayers.  
• The following bunched up Addyyah [plural of Dua] are  
conspicuously absent from the Qur’an:  
 
Subhana Rabbi Al-Azeem [during Kneeling]; Subhan Kallah huma  
wa Bihamdika [during Iqaam]; Sami Allah Huleman Hamdah  
[reverting to Iqam] and Rabbana wa alakal hamd [a rejoinder at  
Iqam]; Subhana rabbi yallala [recital during Sajjdah]  
Do you happen to know, who invented these fake expressions,  
resembling the text of the Qur’an, and why? Do you acknowledge,  
writing any material resembling that of the last revelation is an  
unpardonable criminal offence?  
 
According to the Muslim faith, the five daily prayers were awarded  
to Mohammad, because of the incident of his Ascension, Allah  
knows where. As per the Ahadith on the subject, Mohammad  
became a kind of yo-yo between Allah and Moses, because Moses  
was calling the shots in opposition to Allah, and he sent  
Mohammad back to Him about ten times to get the final tally of  
the fasting days and number of prayers. Here the question arises;  
the earlier Messengers of Allah used the same term Sallat, but did  
not get the command of Nimaz; how do you explain that  
discrepancy? Furthermore, they never received any invitation to  
visit Allah’s abode, wherever it is. Why did Allah maintain such an  
enormous discrimination, between Mohammad, and the previous  
Messengers? This is not fair because their nations were saved from  
the stipulation of Sallat ritual, which, indeed, is nothing but Iranian  
Nimaz. What logical answer you can come up with for that  
ridiculous account?  
 
According to the crap Iranian ‘literature’ based upon Ahadith and  
Sunnah, Mohammad, before soaring towards Allah’s abode  
through deep space, without even a space suit, led the prayer  
attended by all previous Messengers of Allah, except Jesus, who  
was resting at the fourth level of heaven. Isn’t a glaring  
discrepancy existing here? How could Mohammad lead any prayer  
before having tête-à-tête with Allah? The command of prayers had  
yet to be given to him. If it was not the regular, run of the mill,  
prayer, what kind of supplication was it? Don’t you think all this  
silliness about prayers is simply mind-blowing?  
 
All nouns in the verses of Surah Al-Fatihah are in the plural form.  
Recitation of this Surah in a group supplication [Ba Jamat] makes  
sense, as more than one person are doing the recitation But when  
an individual supplicant recites the same seven verses, he is not  
praying at all, but performing a mockery of the Arabic syntax.  
What would you say about that?  
 
According to the Quran, all previous Messengers of Allah  
including Moses, Abraham, Jesus, Ishmael, Lot, Isaac, Zachariah  
and Shuaib had used the term Sallat in the verses, 10: 87; 14:40;  
19:31; 19:55; 21:73; 3:39; 11:87. Do you think they should also  
have got involved with this ridiculous business of praying? Why  
did Allah let them go scot-free and did not order them to do some  
supplication?  
 
The Muslims are performing the rituals of prayers and Hajj,  
besides scores of others for the last twelve centuries, but as an  
Ummah, they are facing worsening situation day by day. At the  
biggest Muslim congregation of Hajj, they do all kinds of  
supplications, and offer Dua, but what is the result? ‘Nothing at all,  
besides a big fat zilch.’ Allah does not listen to them, because they  
are violating the code of the Qur’an by performing ceremonials,  
which the last revelation strictly forbids. Can you propound any  
theory, about the failure and ineffectivess of Sallat, over the  
centuries?  
 
Do the following terms not constitute Shirk, in the opinion of  
Muslim clergy [offence against Allah’s code]?  
 
• The Quran from Allah and Ahadith from Mohammad  
• Farz Rakats for Allah and Sunnat for Mohammad  
• Allah’s Qur’an requires terribly twisted Iranian fabrications  
in the form of Ahadith and other ‘junk literature’ for  
understanding its verses.  
 
Following are the major differences between the Muslims of 21st  
century and those existing in the time of Mohammad and his  
companions:  
 
• They were winners in all lifestyles, whereas, we are the loser in  
every field of human endeavor.  
• They neither believed in any Dua nor performed any  
supplications, whereas we are very ritualistic, performing  
worthless actions in the name of ‘Muslim religion.’  
• They were one nation and had one form of government, based  
upon the charter of the Qur’an; whereas, we are torn apart into  
numerous nations, sects and factions, suffering from  
continuous infighting. What do you say about that?  
However, in the opinion of the authors, they were wonderful  
people, had the real knowledge of the Book, and possessed the  
following outstanding attributes:  
• Allah pronounces in the Quran; all Muslims are one family.  
[49:10]  
 
‘The companions, who are making collective effort for the  
establishment of a peaceful society, in accordance with  
the constitution of the Qur’an, are like brothers to one  
another.’  
 
• The Qur’an commands all Muslims to be the members of  
only one party, which Allah calls Hiz-ba-llah .  
[58:22]  
• All Muslims are one Ummah, working for the world peace,  
known as Ummat-tum- Muslimah [2:128].  
• Muslims are One Millat and the Qur’an identifies it as  
Millat-a- Abraham , the follower of Abraham’s  
chosen way of life. [16:123]  
• Muslims are one people, and the Qur’an identifies this  
nation as Qoumim- Mo’mineen [an  
establishment of unified nations working for international  
peace and justice]. 9:14  
• There is only one charter for the entire humanity and Allah  
distinguishes it as Al-Deen-ul-Islam. [3:19]  
The Muslim Ummah stands geographically divided into 57 independent  
nations, because of a large variety of supplications and Addiyah. Then in  
each country, there exist substantial number of religious sects and factions  
like Shi’ah, Sunni, Ahamdi, Whabai, Hanfi, shaafai, Maalki, Qaadri,  
Chishti, Naqshbandi, Suharwardi, and Agha Khani, besides many others.  
To top it all off, there are all kinds of political parties.  
Do you have any clue, how all Muslims of the world can join hands to  
become one nation, live in one country, and have one party, Hizbullah?  
 
The Quran says that ‘Allah has no collaborators, associates, or  
assistants attached to the formulation of his commands, controls,  
and set of laws.’ However, the Muslims defy that divine ordinance  
and are repeatedly committing the following Shirks:  
 
• Holding on fast to some of Allah’s rules, but  
simultaneously, adopting and obeying artificial and  
legislated regulations.  
• Abiding by the charter of the Qur’an to a certain extent, but  
at the same time following the Ahadith and Sunnah, which  
did not exist in the time of Mohammad and his brilliant  
associates?  
• This is the decree of the Qur’an, and this is the diktat of  
Islamic Fiqah [artificial jurisdiction]; Muslim Ummah has  
to obey both, and commit Shirk.  
• This is the code of the Qur’an, and these are the orders of  
saints or dictums of the Aimmah. Muslim Ummah has to  
adopt both and commit Shirk.  
All sects have different kinds of Sallat, and diverse Addiyah. Does  
it not constitute an ugly sacrilege or, Shirk?  
 
According to the verse 18:26, there are no shareholders of Allah in  
His exclusive sovereign hold.  
 
‘There no partners or associates in His infinite realm, and in  
the creation of His absolute code.’  
 
According to the above Jurisdiction of Allah, and His unbounded  
authority of creating commandments, is it not forbidden to change  
any of those, or to add on fabricated Addiyah and supplications to  
His charter? The supplication modules identified with terms like,  
Farz, Nafal, Wittar, Sunnat, Tarveeh and many more, are nonexistent  
in the Qur’an, and there are neither general, nor specific  
directives for their practice. Similarly, worlds apart Sunnah,  
Ahadith, Traditions, and Fiqah believed by different sects, created  
by the alleged Iranian Aimmah, and maintained by the Islamic  
priesthood is an act of outright rebellion against the charter of the  
Qur’an. The Muslim clergy, as a whole, is the pole bearer of  
Muhsrikeen! Have you any doubt about that?  
 
If you take the literal meaning of the term , ‘bow  
down in prayer with those who bow down,’ then according to  
Islamic priesthood your supplication without Iqam and Sajjdah is  
incomplete. In addition, if you take the meaning of the term  
to recite or to offer prayer then according to the  
decree of the Qur’an, your supplication must be without Iqam and  
Sajjdah. However, this verse does not carry any command for  
Iqam and Sajjdah, and if you do not perform Iqam and Sajjdah,  
then your supplication is in direct clash with the Iranian Nimaz.  
Moreover, where is it mentioned in the entire Qur’an to recite  
during Ruku [bowing], phrases like ‘Allah-ho-Akabar’, ‘Subhana  
Rabbi-al- Azheem,’ ‘Subhanak- Allahumma –wa- bihamdik  
Allahummaghfir-lee,’ etc.?  
Taking the term Iqam ut-Sallat, and using it as a ritual to pray fives  
times a day, is like ridiculing Allah, the Quran, and Mohammed. It  
is shear injustice to Arabic language and literature. Do you seem to  
have any answer for that?  
 
Actually, Allah wants you to learn and discuss the laws of the  
Qur’an during these meetings, enabling you to establish the system  
accordingly. The verse 62:2 provides the details of the activities  
that Mohammad carried out during the assemblies of Sallat.  
 
‘We have sent Our Messenger to you for this purpose. He talks  
at length and explains the details of this Divine Order to you in  
his meetings. He teaches you various articles and sections of  
this Charter, and educates you about the Justice system of the  
Qur’an, along with management of Islamic government, based  
on reasoning and wisdom, provided by the Qur’an. The  
purpose of his speeches is to provide you the detailed  
information about of the development program for the  
nourishment and benefit of you all, along with that of entire  
humanity. Certainly, you did not have any knowledge about  
this program before, as you did not receive any revelation  
prior to this one.’  
 
The above verse clearly exhibits; leading prayers, five times a day,  
was not the purpose of sending Mohammad to this world. His  
assignment was much more imperative, as compared to conducting  
that mundane ritual. He was here to teach his people the  
constitution of the Qur’an, and establish a government with their  
help. To achieve that objective, he regularly conducted meetings of  
Sallat, almost on daily basis, to train them as quickly as possible.  
Does it all make any sense to you? Alternatively, are you still stuck  
up with the Iranian Nimaz?  
 
The verse 2:115 pinpoints the fact, there is no need to face a  
particular direction or towards Ka’bah to please Allah, because he  
is anywhere and everywhere simultaneously.  
 
‘The code of Allah is neither restricted to a particular direction  
nor confined to a specific place. You will find His laws working  
simultaneously both in the east and the west, and these  
originate with the One, Who transcends the limitations of time  
and space. Therefore, you the companions of Mohammad, who  
are striving hard for the establishment of a peaceful society,  
whenever or wherever you will start your struggle, you shall  
find all paths ultimately lead to Him. Certainly, this statement  
comes from Allah, who is vastness personified, coupled with  
infinite knowledge, and wisdom.’  
 
Since facing the Ka’bah during the five sessions of Zoroastrian  
supplications [a ritual lacking Qur’an’s endorsement] is not  
mandatory; why the Muslims keep on worshipring with their faces  
turned towars the Ka’bah?  
 
The phony literature comprising of Ahadith and Sunnah states, the  
only way of remembering God is to do five sessions of prayers  
everyday. In addition, every new supplication deletes the sins  
committed during the time lapse of last and the current prayer.  
Whereas, the Quran declares, properly enforcing laws of Allah  
gives you a break from all sorts of rituals and keeps you away from  
the commission of sins. [7:205]  
 
‘Always enforce laws of Allah; obey those with humility, of  
your own free will, and with all your heart.’  
 
Shah Walli Ullah writes in his book entitled, ‘Hujja-tullah-  
Albalagha,’ in the beginning there were only three praying  
sessions per day, but latter on these were extended up to five. Who  
was responsible for this increment, when, where, and why?  
 
The literature comprising of Ahadith and Sunnah emphatically  
claims, ‘If one does the supplication only once at the time of Hajj  
or during the month of fasting, one shall get blessings or reward  
equivalent to millions of prayers.’  
The Qur’an, however, presents an entirely different viewpoint,  
which is as under: [99:7-8]  
 
‘If one works equivqlent to a speck of dust for the freedom,  
prosperity, and wellbeing of humanity, one shall observe the  
effect of one’s efforts.’  
 
The Qur’an again challenges that kind of mythological faith in the  
verse 99:8  
‘If one acts in an evil, unjust and wicked manner against the  
society, equivalent to a speck of dust, one shall face physical  
and mental distress, as a result of one’s corrupt ways.’  
 
According to the literature comprising of Ahadith and Sunnah,  
doing five sessions of praying per day, bestows reward equal to  
millions of time upon the practitioner, without making any other  
effort. This kind of utopian philosophy inculcates indolence among  
nations, drastically conflicting with the tentes of the Qur’an, which  
declares time and again; every one would be rewarded according to  
the efforts one puts in. [53:39]  
 
‘In that society, one works to the best of one’s ability [giving  
one’s best shot, as per American slang] and is rewarded in  
accordance with the efforts made.’  
 
Where does the Qur’an insist upon the need of an Imam [male or  
female] leading collective supplications?  
 
During each collective prayer, for whom does an Imam recite  
verses of the Quran? If it is for the listening pleasure of the bunch  
he leads, it is all right, but in fact, he is making a worthless effort,  
as there is a 99.99% chance that the people standing behind him do  
not understand even a single word of the text, he utters at the top of  
his voice.  
 
However, if the recital is meant for Allah, then again it tantamount  
to a futile effort, because Allah revealed the constitution of the  
Qur’an [Surah Al-Fatiha] for the humans to implement in the form  
of a government, and not read out loud during the ritual created by  
the wicked Iranian Aimmah. All democratic nations of the world  
form governments based on their written or even precedential  
[English] constitutions. However, Muslims constitute the only  
obtuse nation of the world, which recites its charter quadrillions [or  
may be more] of times, the world over, every day, during a  
synthetic ritual, not even authorized by the Qur’an. Is it not the  
height of irrationality?  
 
The Qur’an issues clear directives to humans, ‘Every Sallat  
program should always be commenced on the appointed time, and  
wound up within the period allotted for that activity. [4:103]  
The routine translation of the above verse, attempted by the alleged  
exponents of the Qur’an, is as follows:  
 
The prayer should be performed at the appointed time!’  
The above translation raises the following question, even in the  
mind of a person of average intelligence:  
Where is it mentioned in the Qur’an; if a Muslim misses one  
prayer then same can be performed later on in the form of a Qaza  
or late supplication. However, the concept of delayed action, with  
reference to praying, directly clashes with the principle enunciated  
above. No relaxation appears in the form of a conditional clause.  
Furthermore, if Aazan [call for prayer] is an integral part of each  
prayer, then why Allah did not provide its final text composition to  
Mohammad, when he went visiting Allah on his first and final  
space voyage?  
 
Islamic priesthood keeps on issuing edicts off and on against vocal  
and even instrumental musical performances, because as per their  
viewpoint it is prohibited by Allah. However, the Shi’ah Aazan in  
the morning uses typical notes of Raga Bhairoun that is why its  
melancholy tone touches the hearts of listerners. The rest of Shi’ah  
/ Sunni Aazans are musically very close to Ragni Bhairaveen. How  
can the Muslim clergy totally isolate music, when it is interwoven  
with every recital of the Qur’an, and follows a particular rhythm?  
 
The Sunnis pray with right forearm folded over the left, with the  
right hand holding on to left wrist, just over the the abdomen,  
slightly below the ribcage. However, Shi'ah prefer to leave their  
arms straight down by their sides, while in the state if Iqama.  
Are you of the view that Mohammad left two ways of praying, as  
his legacy? Was he responsible for dividing Ummah into two  
distinct sects during his lifetime? Do you think he arrived in the  
world to leave a heritage of weak and strong Ahaidth so that  
Muslims should always be at odd with each other?  
 
The Shi'ahs during Sajjadh [when brow hits the ground] place their  
foreheads over a small clay tablet, known as Turba [made in Najaf,  
Iraq], whereas Sunnis rub theirs against the mat. The question pops  
up did Allah or Mohammad directed any one to indulge in such  
actions? In case, the answer is no, then who did introduce such  
ritualistic actions in the first place and why?  
 
In the Shi’ah Aazan, the name of Ali, the alleged son-in-law of  
Mohammad, is also called out. What was the need of that infusion,  
and who ordered that? In fact, this is an act of hero-worshipping,  
which the jealous Shi’ahs introduced to weaken the hold of  
Mohammad on Aazan. However, both names do not make much of  
a difference in the status of Aazan, because it is redundant to begin  
with. In accordance with mathematical expression, that proves  
0+0=0.  
 
Sunni mosques have domes, whereas Shi’ah Imam Bargahs are  
often decorated with the fictitious portraits of Ali and at times that  
of Hussain. A question pops up here, is this order coming down  
from Allah, or is the command of Mohammad, and if it is none of  
the two, then why are they keep on constructing the mosques or  
Imam Bargahs for venerating humans along with Allah?  
However, Allah warns Sunni and Shi’ah sects; personality cult is  
firbidden in the mosques. [72:18]  
 
‘Mosques belong to Allah and no person should ever be  
associated with Him [Ali or Hussein] in those places.’  
 
Shi'ah’s Aazan or Aadan [call for prayer] differs from that of  
Sunni’s with respect to the following minor details:  
• Shi’ahs include the following additional information  
about Ali, who is dead since fourteen centuries, and  
constitutes the worst kind of personality cult, which the  
Sunnis omit:  
 
• Only Shi’ahs adds the pharse in their  
prayer call, where as Sunnis leave it out of their Aazan.  
• Sunnis put forth the testimonial once only, in  
their Aazan, whereas the Shi’ahs calls it out twice.  
 
The Sunnis have an outstanding edict for centuries, whoever shall  
add the name of Ali in Aazan shall turn into an infidel.  
Here a simple question pops up, was this the purpose of appointing  
Mohammad as a Messenger in the world? Did he ever testify to the  
effect, both Sunni and Shi’ah are right in this regards? Luckily, the  
sectarian curse had not surfaced in his time, and he enjoyed a  
relatively tranquil period. Mohammad accomplished his  
assignment of showing humans the kind of government that could  
be built by applying the constitution of the Qur’an, along with  
establishing a compatible fiscal system. He did his job in the best  
possible manner and passed on to the next abode. The sect  
mongering profiteers came on to the scene much later.  
How could Mohammad deliver such an ambiguous and conflicting  
message in the presence of the Qur’an about which Allah has  
claimed that the commandments of this document are free of all  
kinds of paradoxes and confliting views. [4:82]  
 
‘Don’t they contemplate about the Qur’an? If it had been from  
any other source, besides Allah, they would have pinpointed  
many inconsistencies therein.’  
 
No one out of the entire Muslims Ummah knows, whom do they  
offer greetings with Assalam-u-Alaikum wa Rehmatullah, during  
the final act of their prayers. First they address the air with  
Assalam-u-Alaikum wa Rehmatullah by turning their faces on the  
right side and then repeat the same salutation on the left. This is a  
real absurd end part of the Iranian ritual Nimaz. Some are of the  
opinion that this salutation is just for Allah. In that case, what is  
the need of turning the entire head first to right and and then to left,  
because Allah is not a vector quantity, or suffers from directional  
limitations. He is everywhere; greetings could be expressed easily  
by keeping the face forward. There is another view also; this social  
activity is meant for the angles occupying right and left shoulders  
of every individual. The question arises, what they have got to do  
with the Nimaz ritual a person performs. Moreover, this greeting  
must be responded, but that never happens, as no Muslim has ever  
heard them saying Wa Alaikum Assalam. Like the entire Nimaz, the  
closing of this ritual is just absurd.  
 
Islamic priesthood raises a serious objection. If Sallat is merely the  
establishment of an administration, based on the system, devised  
by the Qur’an, then, why Zakat is mentioned separately? Does  
Zakat not fall under Sallat, as part of the system? What is the need  
to identify it separately, in the same sentence?  
The answer is very simple. Under the establishment of the Qur’an,  
there are no taxes; people work hard utilizing their education,  
training, skill, and experience to earn a living. However, every one  
of them voluntarily hands over that part of the earnings to the  
system, which is over and above one’s personal and family needs.  
The government utilizes funds generated this way to work in  
accordance with its policy. That is why along with administration,  
economic system is given equal importance.  
However, the Qur’an also endorses this viewpoint. A couple of  
verses given below shall further clarify the concept of Zakah:  
 
In the modern terms, Aatuz-Zakah” means; the  
Islamic government does not take Zakah, from the people but  
gives out Zakah in the form of neccerary amenities of life  
like, housing, health care, education, and security to its  
citzens, in order to let them move forward in all possible  
fields of human activity. The term Aatuz-Zakah is a  
complementary part of the term Sallat. The Qur’an has  
frequently repeated the complete expression ‘Wa-Aqeemus-  
Salata-wa-Atuz-Zakah’ to instill the  
fiscal concept of the economic system of the Qur’an, which  
is equally important, in hearts and minds of the people.  
• However, the expression ‘Atu-Zakata’ does not  
mean distribution of 2.5% Zakah, calculated on yearly  
savings of the people, among the have-nots of the society, as  
charity. There is also no truth in the common myth; the  
people should calculate 2.5% Zakah on their total yearly  
income.  
• The Qur’an repeats the same veracity, once again, in the  
verses 87:14-17, adopting a slightly different approach. The  
basic concept being, in this world only those values survive,  
which are beneficial to the humanity at large.  
 
‘Certainly, only those people, who are noble at heart and  
mind, possess generous demeanor, abide by Allah’s code  
of conduct, shall receive ample sustenance, and pass on to  
the most advanced stage of development. However,  
Mohammad, tell your adversaries, who are rejecting Our  
fundamental commandments for the sake of their  
temporary gains and vested interests; the values  
beneficial for the entire humanity shall continue to exist!  
The best motivation for uplifting any society, in  
accordance with Allah’s viewpoint, is to develop personal  
qualities of character, like generosity, nobility, integrity,  
honesty and fairness within your self, as well as, in  
others.’

Comments by: abdullahbashoeb On 25 July 2011
Salam,  
 
 
Allah authoritatively declares through various verses; the Qur’an  
presents the code dealing with the practical life of humans, making  
it easy for them to manage their normal, daily routines. However,  
if a person asks the Islamic priests, the command for practicing  
five daily prayers does not exist in the last revelation, they,  
immediately, come out with their typical response, “One cannot  
find everything in the Qur’an. For this particular subject, one has  
to consult Ahadith and Sunnah.”  
 
Don’t you think, this weird and bizarre statement coming from  
you, the priesthood, is not a deceptive answer, a derogatory  
declaration, and defiance against Allah’s proclamation,  
when He proclaims, “We have revealed the complete  
code of life for the entire humanity?”  
 
 
If one further argues that, in the case of inheritance, Allah went into the details of shares for each family member, and used  
fractions like 1/2 and 1/6th to guide the people. Why then, there is  
not even a single passing reference about the prayers and  
supplications or for that matter Dua in the last revelation of Allah?  
If these are so important and provide the only ladder to the coveted  
Junnah [paradise], then why Allah does not mention even minor  
details of daily prayers in the Qur’an? Would you please like to  
answer that query?  
 
 
 
Why the Qur’an does not specify timings for prayers? Who created  
these and why? Would you like to comment on that?  
 
 
If the Iranian Nimaz or supplication is an essential element of Al-  
Deen, then why the names of five daily prayers: Fajar, Zohar,  
Asar, Mugrab and Isha are non-existent in Allah’s final Book? If  
these are non-existent in the Qur’an, then wherefrom did these  
originate, and who was the originator? How do you view that  
important topic?  
 
 
Why the Qur’an is completely silent about the number of the  
component rakats [modules] of various prayers such as Sunnat,  
Fard, Nafal, Vitar, and Traveh? Where did these come from, and  
who were the perpetrators of such blasphemy? Do you have any  
answer?  
 
Why does the Qur’an not identify the verses suitable for recitation  
in each rakat of every prayer? What do you say about that?  
 
Atta-Hyatt, an essential component to be recited before the  
completion of each module of prayer, consisting of two Rakats, is  
not available in the Qur’an. Who wrote and introduced this Arabic  
passage for the Nimaz, [prayer] and how did they dare to equate  
this human insertion with the text of Allah? Come out with your  
response!  
 
Where does the Qur’an mention that recitation of Surah Al-Fatiah  
is compulsory in every Rakat of each Nimaz? How do you look at  
that aspect of Iranian Nimaz?  
 
If one points out, ‘well the Farad modules of all prayers are for  
Allah, and the Sunnat component is for Mohammad,’ the Muslim  
priests would gladly agree. Now, here a question pops up; the  
companions of Mohammad, during his lifetime, used to perform  
Farad for Allah, but what did they used to do during Sunnat? It  
seems ridiculous for the last Messenger to declare his personal  
prayer. Did he use to sit in front of his praying companions, while  
they performed the ritual in his name? Conversely, it means during  
Farad they bowed down to Allah, but during the performance of  
Sunnat, they doubled over in front of Mohammad. It is evident that  
along with worshipping Allah, they offered adulation to  
Mohammad by executing his Sunnat, but it could have never  
happened, as it would tantamount to challenging Allah’s unique  
and exclusive position within the universe. Therefore, the Sunnat  
prayer constitutes an antithesis of Allah’s declaration of solitary  
existence [Towheed]. Would you like to contradict the above  
statement?  
 
The term Allah-o-Akhabar is a repetitive and essential constituent  
of all prayers, but why it does not appear anywhere in the Qur’an?  
Have you ever thought about that?  
 
All Muslim sects claim that Sallat or prayers, without Qayyam,  
Rakooh and Sajood, are incomplete, but all of them execute funeral  
prayers [supplication not recommended by the Qur’an] without  
those essential elements, Rakooh and Sajood. Is it possible, Allah  
could come up with such contradictory commands? How do you  
explain that paradox?  
 
The Shi’ah begin their Wadu or ablution from the feet, in contrast  
to the Sunni, who begin with the face first. Can Allah issue such  
stupid and inconsistent commands? Do you agree or go the other  
way?  
 
The followers of Khalifa Arashad confirm [Moslem. Org. edited by  
Edip Yuksel], one can pray naked, in one’s own privacy. It may be  
all right to do so in a nudist club, where all members are naked in  
an exclusively secluded spot. Would it be all right to visit such a  
sexy environment for supplication? Would you condemn the  
command of Khalifa Arashad or go there for the fun?  
 
Is it possible to identify even a single verse of the Qur’an, which  
issues specific command on the subject of funeral prayers? Come  
out with your rejoinder, if you have any!  
 
Which verse or, verses of the Qur’an provide details about Eid-ul-  
Fitar prayer? Please tell the Ummah if you know!  
 
Does the Qur’an mention Eid-ul-Dahha prayer in any verse, and  
where is it written for the Muslims to follow the Sunnah of  
Abraham, pertaining to the sacrificial lamb?  
 
Does the Qur’an instruct the Sunni Muslims to celebrate the  
festival of Eid-e-Meellaad-un-Nabi, through any verse? What do  
you say about that?  
 
Sahih Bukhari presents separate Darood-o-Salam, for the Sunni  
sect! The question arises; from where did he get anecdotal eulogies  
for the last Messenger of Allah, and who authorized such extreme  
variations among various Muslim sects? Do you have any  
information about that topic?  
 
Aazan and Ata-Hayyat, two fundamental ingredients of Sallat lack  
authentication of the Qur’an. Undoubtedly, all these practices are  
time wasting rituals, which can never be an integral part of the  
dynamic charter of rights and obligations the Qur’an presents to  
the entire humanity. In addition, every sect, including Shi’ah,  
Sunni, Isamali, Wahabi, and the followers of Khalifa Arshad of the  
USA, have basic differences in their way of praying, contradicting  
the Qur’an’s claim; this book is free of conflicts. How would you  
react to that factual statement?  
 
Shi’ah has different Aazan as compared to their Sunni counterparts.  
Can you identify, which one is in line with Allah’s  
commandments?  
 
The word Sallat has appeared 67 times in the Qur’an and at most  
spots; it is followed by the term Zakkat. This in simple term means,  
administration and fiscal management of an Islamic state. The  
Islamic priesthood has made a blatant violation of the Arabic  
lexicon and syntax, by translating Sallat into an Iranian word  
Nimaz. The five prayers per day is a figment of some demented  
mind’s imagination or, had been a deliberate attempt to derail the  
dynamic program of government formation, under the charter of  
the Qur’an. This twisted introduction into the divine social order  
has destroyed the effectiveness of Allah’s constitution, given to the  
human beings for having a successful, prosperous, and secure way  
of life, in this world. Sunni, Wahabi and Shi’ah pray five times a  
day, while the followers of Agha Khan and those of Ballag-ul-  
Quran establishment in Pakistan opt for three prayers a day. Both  
of the latter sects claim; three times supplication is better than five  
times, as it saves valuable time, and constitutes a straight passage  
to heaven. Would you please comment on this terminal issue from  
the viewpoint of the Qur’an?  
 
Iqam, Ruku, and Sajjdah are integral constituents of all prayers  
except the funeral. The following Duas are recited in all prayers on  
daily basis:  
 
• Before starting the prayer, the worshipper has to say in the  
mute mode, ‘Auzu billahi-minash-shayta nirrajeem’ [I seek  
refuge in Allah from Shaytian (devil), the evicted one].  
• In the starting Rakat, the following Dua is recited:  
Subbhanak Allahumma wa bihamdika wa tabarakasmuka  
wa taala jadduka wa la ilaha ghayruk [Glory to you, O  
Allah! And praised be the blessed name of our forefathers.  
• Saying Ameen loud during the prayers of Fajar and Isha is  
considered essential.  
 
Note:  
Jews and Christians also do the same drill with Ameen in their  
prayers.  
• The following bunched up Addyyah [plural of Dua] are  
conspicuously absent from the Qur’an:  
 
Subhana Rabbi Al-Azeem [during Kneeling]; Subhan Kallah huma  
wa Bihamdika [during Iqaam]; Sami Allah Huleman Hamdah  
[reverting to Iqam] and Rabbana wa alakal hamd [a rejoinder at  
Iqam]; Subhana rabbi yallala [recital during Sajjdah]  
Do you happen to know, who invented these fake expressions,  
resembling the text of the Qur’an, and why? Do you acknowledge,  
writing any material resembling that of the last revelation is an  
unpardonable criminal offence?  
 
According to the Muslim faith, the five daily prayers were awarded  
to Mohammad, because of the incident of his Ascension, Allah  
knows where. As per the Ahadith on the subject, Mohammad  
became a kind of yo-yo between Allah and Moses, because Moses  
was calling the shots in opposition to Allah, and he sent  
Mohammad back to Him about ten times to get the final tally of  
the fasting days and number of prayers. Here the question arises;  
the earlier Messengers of Allah used the same term Sallat, but did  
not get the command of Nimaz; how do you explain that  
discrepancy? Furthermore, they never received any invitation to  
visit Allah’s abode, wherever it is. Why did Allah maintain such an  
enormous discrimination, between Mohammad, and the previous  
Messengers? This is not fair because their nations were saved from  
the stipulation of Sallat ritual, which, indeed, is nothing but Iranian  
Nimaz. What logical answer you can come up with for that  
ridiculous account?  
 
According to the crap Iranian ‘literature’ based upon Ahadith and  
Sunnah, Mohammad, before soaring towards Allah’s abode  
through deep space, without even a space suit, led the prayer  
attended by all previous Messengers of Allah, except Jesus, who  
was resting at the fourth level of heaven. Isn’t a glaring  
discrepancy existing here? How could Mohammad lead any prayer  
before having tête-à-tête with Allah? The command of prayers had  
yet to be given to him. If it was not the regular, run of the mill,  
prayer, what kind of supplication was it? Don’t you think all this  
silliness about prayers is simply mind-blowing?  
 
All nouns in the verses of Surah Al-Fatihah are in the plural form.  
Recitation of this Surah in a group supplication [Ba Jamat] makes  
sense, as more than one person are doing the recitation But when  
an individual supplicant recites the same seven verses, he is not  
praying at all, but performing a mockery of the Arabic syntax.  
What would you say about that?  
 
According to the Quran, all previous Messengers of Allah  
including Moses, Abraham, Jesus, Ishmael, Lot, Isaac, Zachariah  
and Shuaib had used the term Sallat in the verses, 10: 87; 14:40;  
19:31; 19:55; 21:73; 3:39; 11:87. Do you think they should also  
have got involved with this ridiculous business of praying? Why  
did Allah let them go scot-free and did not order them to do some  
supplication?  
 
The Muslims are performing the rituals of prayers and Hajj,  
besides scores of others for the last twelve centuries, but as an  
Ummah, they are facing worsening situation day by day. At the  
biggest Muslim congregation of Hajj, they do all kinds of  
supplications, and offer Dua, but what is the result? ‘Nothing at all,  
besides a big fat zilch.’ Allah does not listen to them, because they  
are violating the code of the Qur’an by performing ceremonials,  
which the last revelation strictly forbids. Can you propound any  
theory, about the failure and ineffectivess of Sallat, over the  
centuries?  
 
Do the following terms not constitute Shirk, in the opinion of  
Muslim clergy [offence against Allah’s code]?  
 
• The Quran from Allah and Ahadith from Mohammad  
• Farz Rakats for Allah and Sunnat for Mohammad  
• Allah’s Qur’an requires terribly twisted Iranian fabrications  
in the form of Ahadith and other ‘junk literature’ for  
understanding its verses.  
 
Following are the major differences between the Muslims of 21st  
century and those existing in the time of Mohammad and his  
companions:  
 
• They were winners in all lifestyles, whereas, we are the loser in  
every field of human endeavor.  
• They neither believed in any Dua nor performed any  
supplications, whereas we are very ritualistic, performing  
worthless actions in the name of ‘Muslim religion.’  
• They were one nation and had one form of government, based  
upon the charter of the Qur’an; whereas, we are torn apart into  
numerous nations, sects and factions, suffering from  
continuous infighting. What do you say about that?  
However, in the opinion of the authors, they were wonderful  
people, had the real knowledge of the Book, and possessed the  
following outstanding attributes:  
• Allah pronounces in the Quran; all Muslims are one family.  
[49:10]  
 
‘The companions, who are making collective effort for the  
establishment of a peaceful society, in accordance with  
the constitution of the Qur’an, are like brothers to one  
another.’  
 
• The Qur’an commands all Muslims to be the members of  
only one party, which Allah calls Hiz-ba-llah .  
[58:22]  
• All Muslims are one Ummah, working for the world peace,  
known as Ummat-tum- Muslimah [2:128].  
• Muslims are One Millat and the Qur’an identifies it as  
Millat-a- Abraham , the follower of Abraham’s  
chosen way of life. [16:123]  
• Muslims are one people, and the Qur’an identifies this  
nation as Qoumim- Mo’mineen [an  
establishment of unified nations working for international  
peace and justice]. 9:14  
• There is only one charter for the entire humanity and Allah  
distinguishes it as Al-Deen-ul-Islam. [3:19]  
The Muslim Ummah stands geographically divided into 57 independent  
nations, because of a large variety of supplications and Addiyah. Then in  
each country, there exist substantial number of religious sects and factions  
like Shi’ah, Sunni, Ahamdi, Whabai, Hanfi, shaafai, Maalki, Qaadri,  
Chishti, Naqshbandi, Suharwardi, and Agha Khani, besides many others.  
To top it all off, there are all kinds of political parties.  
Do you have any clue, how all Muslims of the world can join hands to  
become one nation, live in one country, and have one party, Hizbullah?  
 
The Quran says that ‘Allah has no collaborators, associates, or  
assistants attached to the formulation of his commands, controls,  
and set of laws.’ However, the Muslims defy that divine ordinance  
and are repeatedly committing the following Shirks:  
 
• Holding on fast to some of Allah’s rules, but  
simultaneously, adopting and obeying artificial and  
legislated regulations.  
• Abiding by the charter of the Qur’an to a certain extent, but  
at the same time following the Ahadith and Sunnah, which  
did not exist in the time of Mohammad and his brilliant  
associates?  
• This is the decree of the Qur’an, and this is the diktat of  
Islamic Fiqah [artificial jurisdiction]; Muslim Ummah has  
to obey both, and commit Shirk.  
• This is the code of the Qur’an, and these are the orders of  
saints or dictums of the Aimmah. Muslim Ummah has to  
adopt both and commit Shirk.  
All sects have different kinds of Sallat, and diverse Addiyah. Does  
it not constitute an ugly sacrilege or, Shirk?  
 
According to the verse 18:26, there are no shareholders of Allah in  
His exclusive sovereign hold.  
 
‘There no partners or associates in His infinite realm, and in  
the creation of His absolute code.’  
 
According to the above Jurisdiction of Allah, and His unbounded  
authority of creating commandments, is it not forbidden to change  
any of those, or to add on fabricated Addiyah and supplications to  
His charter? The supplication modules identified with terms like,  
Farz, Nafal, Wittar, Sunnat, Tarveeh and many more, are nonexistent  
in the Qur’an, and there are neither general, nor specific  
directives for their practice. Similarly, worlds apart Sunnah,  
Ahadith, Traditions, and Fiqah believed by different sects, created  
by the alleged Iranian Aimmah, and maintained by the Islamic  
priesthood is an act of outright rebellion against the charter of the  
Qur’an. The Muslim clergy, as a whole, is the pole bearer of  
Muhsrikeen! Have you any doubt about that?  
 
If you take the literal meaning of the term , ‘bow  
down in prayer with those who bow down,’ then according to  
Islamic priesthood your supplication without Iqam and Sajjdah is  
incomplete. In addition, if you take the meaning of the term  
to recite or to offer prayer then according to the  
decree of the Qur’an, your supplication must be without Iqam and  
Sajjdah. However, this verse does not carry any command for  
Iqam and Sajjdah, and if you do not perform Iqam and Sajjdah,  
then your supplication is in direct clash with the Iranian Nimaz.  
Moreover, where is it mentioned in the entire Qur’an to recite  
during Ruku [bowing], phrases like ‘Allah-ho-Akabar’, ‘Subhana  
Rabbi-al- Azheem,’ ‘Subhanak- Allahumma –wa- bihamdik  
Allahummaghfir-lee,’ etc.?  
Taking the term Iqam ut-Sallat, and using it as a ritual to pray fives  
times a day, is like ridiculing Allah, the Quran, and Mohammed. It  
is shear injustice to Arabic language and literature. Do you seem to  
have any answer for that?  
 
Actually, Allah wants you to learn and discuss the laws of the  
Qur’an during these meetings, enabling you to establish the system  
accordingly. The verse 62:2 provides the details of the activities  
that Mohammad carried out during the assemblies of Sallat.  
 
‘We have sent Our Messenger to you for this purpose. He talks  
at length and explains the details of this Divine Order to you in  
his meetings. He teaches you various articles and sections of  
this Charter, and educates you about the Justice system of the  
Qur’an, along with management of Islamic government, based  
on reasoning and wisdom, provided by the Qur’an. The  
purpose of his speeches is to provide you the detailed  
information about of the development program for the  
nourishment and benefit of you all, along with that of entire  
humanity. Certainly, you did not have any knowledge about  
this program before, as you did not receive any revelation  
prior to this one.’  
 
The above verse clearly exhibits; leading prayers, five times a day,  
was not the purpose of sending Mohammad to this world. His  
assignment was much more imperative, as compared to conducting  
that mundane ritual. He was here to teach his people the  
constitution of the Qur’an, and establish a government with their  
help. To achieve that objective, he regularly conducted meetings of  
Sallat, almost on daily basis, to train them as quickly as possible.  
Does it all make any sense to you? Alternatively, are you still stuck  
up with the Iranian Nimaz?  
 
The verse 2:115 pinpoints the fact, there is no need to face a  
particular direction or towards Ka’bah to please Allah, because he  
is anywhere and everywhere simultaneously.  
 
‘The code of Allah is neither restricted to a particular direction  
nor confined to a specific place. You will find His laws working  
simultaneously both in the east and the west, and these  
originate with the One, Who transcends the limitations of time  
and space. Therefore, you the companions of Mohammad, who  
are striving hard for the establishment of a peaceful society,  
whenever or wherever you will start your struggle, you shall  
find all paths ultimately lead to Him. Certainly, this statement  
comes from Allah, who is vastness personified, coupled with  
infinite knowledge, and wisdom.’  
 
Since facing the Ka’bah during the five sessions of Zoroastrian  
supplications [a ritual lacking Qur’an’s endorsement] is not  
mandatory; why the Muslims keep on worshipring with their faces  
turned towars the Ka’bah?  
 
The phony literature comprising of Ahadith and Sunnah states, the  
only way of remembering God is to do five sessions of prayers  
everyday. In addition, every new supplication deletes the sins  
committed during the time lapse of last and the current prayer.  
Whereas, the Quran declares, properly enforcing laws of Allah  
gives you a break from all sorts of rituals and keeps you away from  
the commission of sins. [7:205]  
 
‘Always enforce laws of Allah; obey those with humility, of  
your own free will, and with all your heart.’  
 
Shah Walli Ullah writes in his book entitled, ‘Hujja-tullah-  
Albalagha,’ in the beginning there were only three praying  
sessions per day, but latter on these were extended up to five. Who  
was responsible for this increment, when, where, and why?  
 
The literature comprising of Ahadith and Sunnah emphatically  
claims, ‘If one does the supplication only once at the time of Hajj  
or during the month of fasting, one shall get blessings or reward  
equivalent to millions of prayers.’  
The Qur’an, however, presents an entirely different viewpoint,  
which is as under: [99:7-8]  
 
‘If one works equivqlent to a speck of dust for the freedom,  
prosperity, and wellbeing of humanity, one shall observe the  
effect of one’s efforts.’  
 
The Qur’an again challenges that kind of mythological faith in the  
verse 99:8  
‘If one acts in an evil, unjust and wicked manner against the  
society, equivalent to a speck of dust, one shall face physical  
and mental distress, as a result of one’s corrupt ways.’  
 
According to the literature comprising of Ahadith and Sunnah,  
doing five sessions of praying per day, bestows reward equal to  
millions of time upon the practitioner, without making any other  
effort. This kind of utopian philosophy inculcates indolence among  
nations, drastically conflicting with the tentes of the Qur’an, which  
declares time and again; every one would be rewarded according to  
the efforts one puts in. [53:39]  
 
‘In that society, one works to the best of one’s ability [giving  
one’s best shot, as per American slang] and is rewarded in  
accordance with the efforts made.’  
 
Where does the Qur’an insist upon the need of an Imam [male or  
female] leading collective supplications?  
 
During each collective prayer, for whom does an Imam recite  
verses of the Quran? If it is for the listening pleasure of the bunch  
he leads, it is all right, but in fact, he is making a worthless effort,  
as there is a 99.99% chance that the people standing behind him do  
not understand even a single word of the text, he utters at the top of  
his voice.  
 
However, if the recital is meant for Allah, then again it tantamount  
to a futile effort, because Allah revealed the constitution of the  
Qur’an [Surah Al-Fatiha] for the humans to implement in the form  
of a government, and not read out loud during the ritual created by  
the wicked Iranian Aimmah. All democratic nations of the world  
form governments based on their written or even precedential  
[English] constitutions. However, Muslims constitute the only  
obtuse nation of the world, which recites its charter quadrillions [or  
may be more] of times, the world over, every day, during a  
synthetic ritual, not even authorized by the Qur’an. Is it not the  
height of irrationality?  
 
The Qur’an issues clear directives to humans, ‘Every Sallat  
program should always be commenced on the appointed time, and  
wound up within the period allotted for that activity. [4:103]  
The routine translation of the above verse, attempted by the alleged  
exponents of the Qur’an, is as follows:  
 
The prayer should be performed at the appointed time!’  
The above translation raises the following question, even in the  
mind of a person of average intelligence:  
Where is it mentioned in the Qur’an; if a Muslim misses one  
prayer then same can be performed later on in the form of a Qaza  
or late supplication. However, the concept of delayed action, with  
reference to praying, directly clashes with the principle enunciated  
above. No relaxation appears in the form of a conditional clause.  
Furthermore, if Aazan [call for prayer] is an integral part of each  
prayer, then why Allah did not provide its final text composition to  
Mohammad, when he went visiting Allah on his first and final  
space voyage?  
 
Islamic priesthood keeps on issuing edicts off and on against vocal  
and even instrumental musical performances, because as per their  
viewpoint it is prohibited by Allah. However, the Shi’ah Aazan in  
the morning uses typical notes of Raga Bhairoun that is why its  
melancholy tone touches the hearts of listerners. The rest of Shi’ah  
/ Sunni Aazans are musically very close to Ragni Bhairaveen. How  
can the Muslim clergy totally isolate music, when it is interwoven  
with every recital of the Qur’an, and follows a particular rhythm?  
 
The Sunnis pray with right forearm folded over the left, with the  
right hand holding on to left wrist, just over the the abdomen,  
slightly below the ribcage. However, Shi'ah prefer to leave their  
arms straight down by their sides, while in the state if Iqama.  
Are you of the view that Mohammad left two ways of praying, as  
his legacy? Was he responsible for dividing Ummah into two  
distinct sects during his lifetime? Do you think he arrived in the  
world to leave a heritage of weak and strong Ahaidth so that  
Muslims should always be at odd with each other?  
 
The Shi'ahs during Sajjadh [when brow hits the ground] place their  
foreheads over a small clay tablet, known as Turba [made in Najaf,  
Iraq], whereas Sunnis rub theirs against the mat. The question pops  
up did Allah or Mohammad directed any one to indulge in such  
actions? In case, the answer is no, then who did introduce such  
ritualistic actions in the first place and why?  
 
In the Shi’ah Aazan, the name of Ali, the alleged son-in-law of  
Mohammad, is also called out. What was the need of that infusion,  
and who ordered that? In fact, this is an act of hero-worshipping,  
which the jealous Shi’ahs introduced to weaken the hold of  
Mohammad on Aazan. However, both names do not make much of  
a difference in the status of Aazan, because it is redundant to begin  
with. In accordance with mathematical expression, that proves  
0+0=0.  
 
Sunni mosques have domes, whereas Shi’ah Imam Bargahs are  
often decorated with the fictitious portraits of Ali and at times that  
of Hussain. A question pops up here, is this order coming down  
from Allah, or is the command of Mohammad, and if it is none of  
the two, then why are they keep on constructing the mosques or  
Imam Bargahs for venerating humans along with Allah?  
However, Allah warns Sunni and Shi’ah sects; personality cult is  
firbidden in the mosques. [72:18]  
 
‘Mosques belong to Allah and no person should ever be  
associated with Him [Ali or Hussein] in those places.’  
 
Shi'ah’s Aazan or Aadan [call for prayer] differs from that of  
Sunni’s with respect to the following minor details:  
• Shi’ahs include the following additional information  
about Ali, who is dead since fourteen centuries, and  
constitutes the worst kind of personality cult, which the  
Sunnis omit:  
 
• Only Shi’ahs adds the pharse in their  
prayer call, where as Sunnis leave it out of their Aazan.  
• Sunnis put forth the testimonial once only, in  
their Aazan, whereas the Shi’ahs calls it out twice.  
 
The Sunnis have an outstanding edict for centuries, whoever shall  
add the name of Ali in Aazan shall turn into an infidel.  
Here a simple question pops up, was this the purpose of appointing  
Mohammad as a Messenger in the world? Did he ever testify to the  
effect, both Sunni and Shi’ah are right in this regards? Luckily, the  
sectarian curse had not surfaced in his time, and he enjoyed a  
relatively tranquil period. Mohammad accomplished his  
assignment of showing humans the kind of government that could  
be built by applying the constitution of the Qur’an, along with  
establishing a compatible fiscal system. He did his job in the best  
possible manner and passed on to the next abode. The sect  
mongering profiteers came on to the scene much later.  
How could Mohammad deliver such an ambiguous and conflicting  
message in the presence of the Qur’an about which Allah has  
claimed that the commandments of this document are free of all  
kinds of paradoxes and confliting views. [4:82]  
 
‘Don’t they contemplate about the Qur’an? If it had been from  
any other source, besides Allah, they would have pinpointed  
many inconsistencies therein.’  
 
No one out of the entire Muslims Ummah knows, whom do they  
offer greetings with Assalam-u-Alaikum wa Rehmatullah, during  
the final act of their prayers. First they address the air with  
Assalam-u-Alaikum wa Rehmatullah by turning their faces on the  
right side and then repeat the same salutation on the left. This is a  
real absurd end part of the Iranian ritual Nimaz. Some are of the  
opinion that this salutation is just for Allah. In that case, what is  
the need of turning the entire head first to right and and then to left,  
because Allah is not a vector quantity, or suffers from directional  
limitations. He is everywhere; greetings could be expressed easily  
by keeping the face forward. There is another view also; this social  
activity is meant for the angles occupying right and left shoulders  
of every individual. The question arises, what they have got to do  
with the Nimaz ritual a person performs. Moreover, this greeting  
must be responded, but that never happens, as no Muslim has ever  
heard them saying Wa Alaikum Assalam. Like the entire Nimaz, the  
closing of this ritual is just absurd.  
 
Islamic priesthood raises a serious objection. If Sallat is merely the  
establishment of an administration, based on the system, devised  
by the Qur’an, then, why Zakat is mentioned separately? Does  
Zakat not fall under Sallat, as part of the system? What is the need  
to identify it separately, in the same sentence?  
The answer is very simple. Under the establishment of the Qur’an,  
there are no taxes; people work hard utilizing their education,  
training, skill, and experience to earn a living. However, every one  
of them voluntarily hands over that part of the earnings to the  
system, which is over and above one’s personal and family needs.  
The government utilizes funds generated this way to work in  
accordance with its policy. That is why along with administration,  
economic system is given equal importance.  
However, the Qur’an also endorses this viewpoint. A couple of  
verses given below shall further clarify the concept of Zakah:  
 
In the modern terms, Aatuz-Zakah” means; the  
Islamic government does not take Zakah, from the people but  
gives out Zakah in the form of neccerary amenities of life  
like, housing, health care, education, and security to its  
citzens, in order to let them move forward in all possible  
fields of human activity. The term Aatuz-Zakah is a  
complementary part of the term Sallat. The Qur’an has  
frequently repeated the complete expression ‘Wa-Aqeemus-  
Salata-wa-Atuz-Zakah’ to instill the  
fiscal concept of the economic system of the Qur’an, which  
is equally important, in hearts and minds of the people.  
• However, the expression ‘Atu-Zakata’ does not  
mean distribution of 2.5% Zakah, calculated on yearly  
savings of the people, among the have-nots of the society, as  
charity. There is also no truth in the common myth; the  
people should calculate 2.5% Zakah on their total yearly  
income.  
• The Qur’an repeats the same veracity, once again, in the  
verses 87:14-17, adopting a slightly different approach. The  
basic concept being, in this world only those values survive,  
which are beneficial to the humanity at large.  
 
‘Certainly, only those people, who are noble at heart and  
mind, possess generous demeanor, abide by Allah’s code  
of conduct, shall receive ample sustenance, and pass on to  
the most advanced stage of development. However,  
Mohammad, tell your adversaries, who are rejecting Our  
fundamental commandments for the sake of their  
temporary gains and vested interests; the values  
beneficial for the entire humanity shall continue to exist!  
The best motivation for uplifting any society, in  
accordance with Allah’s viewpoint, is to develop personal  
qualities of character, like generosity, nobility, integrity,  
honesty and fairness within your self, as well as, in  
others.’

Comments by: Mubashir On 25 July 2011Report Abuse
Dear All, somewhat relevant to our discussion, you may find the following interesting and informative:  
 
Response by G. Waleed Kavalec to a Hadith lover:  
 
Salaams to believers  
 
In the arguments of Syed Abdul Khaleq we see the logical error known as "Fallacious Modal Use of Generalization"  
 
This fallacy involves invalid application of generalizations in the context of minor arguments which also contain modal particles like "all," "many," "some," "few," "no" or "none". One example of this would be "All men are mortal. Some men are Greek. Therefore, all mortals are Greek."  
 
Note that in his point one Syed Abdul Khaleq summarizes "Generally they had wasted the prayer".  
 
This statement is itself only true about "those People of the Book who denied the truth" (al-Hashr 59:2) not true "generally" about all of the the People of the Book. An error which is proven by Al-E-Imran 3:113.  
 
His point 2. builds then the assumption...  
 
"Now that the prayer of the both the polytheists and the Ahl-e-Kitab, the People of the book (jews and Christain) were not considered of any worth"  
 
...attempting to build on one logical fallacy and add yet another, that of grouping polytheists and the Ahl-e-Kitab as the same. As already shown by Al-E-Imran 3:113 a subset - of scope known only to Allah of Ahl-e-Kitab are known to Him as believers; this is a categorical difference from the polytheists whose prayer are, indeed, always wasted. Syed Abdul Khaleq is here committing the error of known as "Fallacy of the Undistributed Middle" assuming that since some Jews have fallen to a state similar to polytheists then all Jews and polytheists are the same, again a point Allah corrects in 3:113.  
 
Syed Abdul Khaleq's point 3 is superficially true...  
 
The supplication of Ibrahim (AS) for the persistence of people, from his race, steadfast in prayer, however, did not mean that true mode of Ibrahim's prayer was in existence at the time of prophet Muhammed saws.  
 
...but ignores that its opposite is equally true: The supplication of Ibrahim (AS) for the persistence of people, from his race, steadfast in prayer, however, does not mean that true mode of Ibrahim's prayer was NOT in existence at the time of prophet Muhammed saws.  
 
This then applies to point 4. as well since it cannot be presumed that the noble prophet(sallallahu alaihi wa salaam) never met those who had the correct mode of prayer. In point of fact the Qur'an tells us that salaat is part of dhikr, and that dhikr is preserved, so it would certainly be one reasonable way for Allah to manifest that preservation.  
 
Whether this is - or is not - the means He choose would be mere speculation. Believers are content to accept that salaat is preserved.  
 
For reasons known only to him Syed Abdul Khaleq also raises another point in "point" 3, as follows...  
 
"the question then arises" why was prophet Mohammed saws commissioned at all? wasn't the previous nation good enough?"  
 
...without giving it a number of its own. The answer to this unnumbered point is clearly given to believers in the Qur'an. We are told that the parts of the elder scriptures have been "thrown behind their backs". We are also told that the Qur'an is to be Al Furqan. And that the Qur'an is preserved.  
 
This promise is not seen for any earlier scripture, but only for the last revelation - from the last Prophet.  
 
In point 5 the question is raised...  
 
"then why the mode of prayers adopted by the jews and the Christains should be so different from that of the present Muslim Ummah?  
 
...which contains the assumption that is is universally different. This is not the case, early Christians prayed the following:  
 
■Morning prayer (Lauds), major hour  
■Daytime prayer, which can be one or all of ■Midmorning prayer (Terce)  
■Midday prayer (Sext)  
■Midafternoon prayer (None or Nohn)  
 
■ Evening prayer (Vespers), major hour  
■Night Prayer (Compline)  
 
Catholicism has since made the above listed five daily prayers requisite only on their priests, claiming that lay persons only need morning and evening prayers. Much evidence exists to show that remnants of the original Christian and Jewish prayer reflect our own mode of salaat; naturally we do not have any videotapes from prior centuries.  
 
Believers need only remember that salaat was declared as preserved in the Qur'an; so we have no reason to assume the other faiths will benefit from this command. We also need to remember that preservation by Allah is not compulsion on those who reject guidance. Islam has had many groups split off to become those who take other sources are equal to or (astaghfirullah) greater than the Qur'an - and their salaat has almost always deviated.  
 
In point 6 Syed Abdul Khaleq makes the oft-repeated lead-in heard from hadith purveyors:  
 
"Now, the Noble prophet Mohammed saws himself adopted a mode of prayer and taught the same to his ummah. a question arises, whether that form and mode of prayer is till intact? If so, what is that mode?"  
 
A question that has been answered by Allah, an answer we have repeated here numerous times.  
 
Nowhere does Allah ever tell believers:  
Take your prayer from hadith collections that will be written in 300 years.  
 
But we do find where Allah command us:  
 
وَاتَّخِذُوا مِن مَّقَامِ إِبْرَاهِيمَ مُصَلًّى  
al-Baqarah 2:125  
 
Take FROM (min) the station of Ibrahim a way/place of prayer.  
 
 
 
And what do believers find in Makkah, at the station of Ibrahim? A city wherein salaat has been perform five times a day, seven days a week, every week of every year since our Prophet(sallallahu alaihi wa salaam) walked there and prayed there himself. No one there has needed to run to their Bukhari, Muslim, Abu Dawud, or Tirmidhi to discover "the correct mode" of salaat... because salaat is PRESERVED by Allah's will, in exactly the place He directs us to take it from. Today, of course, we find that many human beings have brought these texts into Makkah, but this does not diminish Allah or His Qur'an any more than the idols that were brought there in Jahiliyya times.  
 
 
 
 
This also answers point 7. Salaat is not preserved by hadith collectors, it is preserved by Allah.  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
8 does not seem to have a point.  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
9 begins with a misstatement:  
 
 
 
 
 
 
"The deniers of Hadith argue that the holy Quran is complete and perfect, hence there is no need to derive anything from any other source or else it would be presumed that the holy Quran is not taken as perfect or complete."  
 
 
 
 
 
 
The correction is as follows  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Believers who recognize the correct status of of Hadith as a collection of fallible human historical records accept that the holy Qur'an is complete and perfect because Allah has told us it is complete and perfect, hence there is no need to derive anything from any other source besides the Qur'an and that which the Qur'an explicitly directs believers to in its many ayah. None of those ayah direct believers to take later, fallible, human records as being "the Messenger" or as having any other authority in matters of deen.  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
10 begins with statements based on hadith. This is the logical fallacy known as "begging the question"  
 
 
 
 
 
 
Begging the Question is a fallacy in which the premises include the claim that the conclusion is true or (directly or indirectly) assume that the conclusion is true.  
 
The remainder of Syed Abdul Khaleq's statements rehash material already addressed above.  
 
And, as always, Allahu Alim.

Comments by: Mubashir On 25 July 2011Report Abuse
Dear All  
 
Prof Sabih Mansour of Ahl alQur'an of Egypt, replies to those who ask where the details of salat the prayer in the Qur'an:  
 
The Almighty says “…We did not leave anything out of this book… (6:38),” tafreet[3] means to omit or, leave out a crucial and important thing. For example, we don’t find a problem regarding the method for prayer or the number of its units. If God (The Knower of the past, future, and present!) knew that we would face a problem with regard to prayer, then He would have made clear to us its method, the number of prayers, and its times with detail. However, He only brought down the Qur’an clarifying what we actually need in the present and the future, He brought down the Qur’an with truth and with the law “God is the One who sent down the scripture, to deliver the truth and the law… (42:17).” There is no scope for addition for which we have no need. Had the Qur’an been revealed detailing for us the prayers while we already know what it is and have been practicing it since our childhood, then that would have been somewhat flippant; and there is no scope for flippancy in the Book of God “By the sky that returns (the water). By the earth that cracks (to grow plants). This is a serious narration. Not to be taken lightly. (86:11-14)”.  
 
Thus, the Qur’an has not left out anything for which we have a need.  
 
"....The Almighty says “…We have revealed to you this book to provide explanations for everything… (16:89),” Tibyaan[4] means to clarify something which requires clarification and explanation. Yet, something which is inherently clear doesn’t require elucidation, lest any excessive explanations amount to curiosity and mere prattle for which we have no need.  
 
God, Most Glorious, revealed His Book with straightforward verses in which is no scope for nonsense or addition. For this reason, the Qur’an clears up what it has to clear up, and everything that requires clarification and elucidation has been clarified and elucidated in the Qur’an. And something which doesn’t require elucidation is in no need to be elucidated, especially in a Book whose verses have been detailed from a Most Wise, Most Cognizant.  
 
For this reason, elucidation in the Qur’an is connected to guidance, mercy, and good news for the Muslims, “…We have revealed to you this book to provide explanations for everything, and guidance, and mercy, and good news for the submitters. (16:89)”. Thus, the explanations of the Qur’an are a “guidance” for the one seeking guidance amongst a mass of ambiguity and uncertainty. The explanations found in the Qur’an are also a “mercy” for the one seeking guidance because it makes known to him/her what was unknown, and it guarantees him/her security and divine mercy as well as good news.  
 
The details of the Qur’an are also connected to guidance and mercy, The Almighty says “We have given them a scripture that is fully detailed, with knowledge, guidance, and mercy for the people who believe. (7:52)”. Therefore, the Qur’anic details which include everything are a guidance and a mercy for those who need these details. And if it so happened that such things were clear and didn’t require detailing or clarification, then it would be futile to clarify what is already clear.  
 
For a Qur'an oriented website, visit http://www.ahl-alquran.com/English/main.php

Comments by: DHULQARNAIN On 25 July 2011Report Abuse
Mubashir,  
 
Salaa means neither system nor prayer. The system is Deen Al-Islam and salaa is the allegiance to Allah and to obey His Commands.  
 
The starting point for me in any discussion are ayats 10:37 and 41:2-3.  
 
10:37 And this Quran is not such as could be forged by those besides Allah, but it is a verification of that which is before it and a clear explanation of the Book, THERE IS NO DOUBT IN IT, from the Lord of the worlds.  
 
41:2-3 A revelation from the Beneficent, the Merciful God: A Book of which the AYATS ARE FULLY DETAILED/FASALA an Arabic Quran for a people who know:  
 
So, Al-Quran has no doubt in it and it is fully detailed. If these ayats are not accepted then Al-Quran cannot guide us. I will proceed under the assumption that you accept 10:37 and 41:2-3.  
 
Based on the above ayats then you may not know what salaa is, but you can definitely know what it is not. Immediately you can reject salaa being a ritual prayer, because nowhere in Al-Quran is a raka fully detailed by Allah as an act of devotion. This is just an immutable fact.  
 
Let’s look at manasikana.  
 
NASAKA/NOO-SEEN-KAF: to lead a devoted life; to be pious; to be Godly; worship God (serve for Allah 51:56, me). Dictionary of the Quran, by Abdul Mannan Omar, pg. 562  
 
The definition speaks to leading a devoted life, that is, to be constantly in a state of devotion. The prefix “ma” in front of a term indicates a condition or state of being. Ibrahim was asking Allah to show him how to live in a devoted life. If Ibrahim was asking Allah to SHOW him rituals as acts of devotion, well, even if that was the case, which it was not (salaa does not mean prayer), we today were SHOWN NO SUCH RITUAL in Allah’s FULLY DETAILED Revelation--Al-Quran. Allah has, however, shown us how to be devoted Him--by keeping our salaa (allegiance to Allah/to obey Allah's Commands)  
 
Here’s a question for you, if salaa means prayer, can you point to any ayat where Allah says that He answers or answered a so-called salaa/prayer?  
 
***Salat "prevents" people from misbehaving and Allah did not stay "Stops".***  
 
If one is prevented from doing something…then one is stopped, yes?  
 
***We need to figure out why the salat of the Jews (as can be seen on Youtube) resembles that of Muslims? Did they borrow it from Persia as well?***  
 
28:49 Say: Then bring some book from Allah which is a better guide than both of them, that I may follow it, if you are truthful.  
 
In the above ayat Allah is identifying both the Torah and the Quran as being guides. Al-Quran, however, supercedes the Torah and only the Quran is to be followed. I bring this up to ask you this…is how to do a raka fully detailed in the Guidance (Law/Torah) given to Moses? If not, then Jews who were doing a ritual prayer, as is with the majority of muslims today, got this practice from some source other than Allah’s Books of Guidance.  
 
***What about "call to prayer" on the day of assembly? What about Salaat Isha and Salat Fajar? What about shortening salat in times of danger? ***  
 
I’m not certain of these translations so I won’t comment yet, but whatever they mean it cannot be referring to a ritual prayer, because no raka is detailed in Al-Quran. Also, and this is important, Allahu Akbar/Allah is Greater is not mentioned in Al-Quran, hence, the Last Prophet could never have lead a prayer and refer to Allah as---“greater”. Akbar is a comparative term and Allah cannot be compared to anything.  
 
***As I said above, this is a very serious issue. We need to make double sure we are not distorting the Qur'an because we have to account for it. Therefore my hesitation in jumping in.***  
 
I agree 110%!  
 
Dhulqarnain-  
 
 

Comments by: Perwez1 On 25 July 2011Report Abuse
Mubashir has not answered my question regarding RAKAAT. He turned the topic to Muqaam e Ibraheem and then to something else, while he totally ignored the basic question.  
 
MUBASHIR: As for Rakats and Sajdas and what to read in Salat the prayer, please refer to 2:125  
 
Instead of showing me where the word RAKAAT is mentioned in 2:125 as he said in his previous statement, he is dodging the readers.  
 
________________________________________________________________________________________  
 
What's the point in repeating what Mr. Tom, Dick and Harry said???  
It's shear waste of time, because the readers have already accepted the importance of rational approach to analyze Quranic text on the basis of merit, using their own senses. Aastana is definitely not a place for those who do not have this ability.  
 
This is what Mr. Junaid wrote;  
JUNAID: You agree, then you are most welcome to stay, discuss and learn more.  
You don't agree, then you better move on and do not create a situation around.  
 
I think he is absolutely right that there is no point in debating with those who come here with closed minds and those who follow what others have concluded without using their own senses.  
Whats the point in discussing things when you can't think of your own?  
Why to quote other people to support your views?  
Where is your own mind?  
A human being can always be wrong and the rule equally applies to the societies and nations as well. A mistake is a mistake, whether it's individual or collective, and it needs to be corrected. Collective social brainwashing is not something new in the history of mankind. The weapons of tyranny and aggression had been used quite successfully by monarchs and autocrats in the past, whereby they suppressed all the thinking minds converting the nations into sheep and cattle. With the power of sword, nations were forced to give up their ideologies and the process is still going on. The only change we can see today is that the sword has been replaced with the gun. Most importantly, Priests, Rabbis and Mullah have always been the front line attack force of Kings and Monarchs to suppress the nation and make them accept subjugation as their fate.  
 
Consider that the etymology of the word "Religion" 'Religion' traces its roots to the old Latin word religio meaning "taboo, restraint." A deeper study discovers the word comes from the two words re and ligare. Re is a prefix meaning "return," and ligare means "to bind;" in other words, "return to bondage." This was a man-made word for bondage or unity but the opposite happened and religions became the reason of discrimination and wars. Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians and all other man-made religions are all linked with each other and these religions created nothing but discrimination on the basis of class, creed, gender, and a concept of tyranny and suppression of lower classes by upper classes.  
 
WHAT IS RELIGION???  
The best answer is;  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTPUzgHn_s4&feature=player_embedded  
 
In my opinion the purpose of aastana is not to force particular views on readers. They have presented the linguistic analysis of Quran based on dictionaries and lexicons. It is more like a rational approach to analyze the Quranic text with a clear state of mind and without being influenced by personal views presented by XYZ. I would call it a brave and a courageous approach to address the root causes of social degradation and isolation the so called "Muslims " are facing, by analyzing the text on it's merit and in accordance with the natural laws.  
 
The antonym of Bravery and courage in terms of social norms, is not Cowardliness, but instead it is Conformity.  
What is conformity?  
Conformity is the act of matching attitudes, beliefs, and behaviors to what individuals perceive is normal of their society or social group. This influence occurs in small groups and society as a whole, and may result from subtle unconscious influences, or direct and overt social pressure.  
 
Anyone who is not ready to think out of the box and who is not willing to get himself free of human influence in order to understand Quran, has got nothing to do with aastana and this blog.  
 
AASTANA DOESN'T NEED QUANTITY, IT NEEDS QUALITY!!!  
 
Having said that, I must now guide Mr. Dhulqarnain and Mr. Mubashir to the Exit door.  
When no one is forcing you to believe what members of aastana say, why are you forcing us to believe what Mr. Tom, Dick or Harry says?  
What's the point in coming again and again like a bully, saying I don't believe this, I don't believe that?  
OK Fine, if you don't believe something, no one is forcing you to believe!!!  
Why you are forcing third party views on readers?  
Why you are forcing others to follow majority or their ancestors or human personalities instead of using their own common sense???  
 
EACH AND EVERY VERSE RELATED TO SALAAT HAS BEEN EXPLAINED IN THE BOOK "HAQEEQAT-E-SALAAT" WHERE ALL THE FLAWS AND HAVE BEEN POINTED OUT COMPREHENSIVELY. READ THE BOOK AND READ THE VERSES ACCORDING TO THE CONTEXT OF SUBJECT MATTER BEING DISCUSSED IN QURAN.  
 
If you can't understand that, then no one can force you to understand, but please don't waste the precious time of others by posting all this irrelevant third party crap.  
 
IN THE END, I MUST SALUTE TO AASTANA MANAGEMENT FOR DISPLAYING SUCH PATIENCE AND TOLERANCE THAT THEY ARE ALLOWING YOU PEOPLE TO POST THE RELIGIOUS EDICTS IN SUCH A FORCEFUL AND AGGRESSIVE MANNER.

Comments by: Nargis On 26 July 2011Report Abuse
If we look at a traditional translation [Yusuf Ali] we find 2:239 translated as:  
Yusuf Ali: If ye fear (an enemy), pray on foot, or riding, (as may be most convenient), but when ye are in security, celebrate Allah's praises in the manner He has taught you, which ye knew not (before). MUBASHIR
 
Dear Mubashir, I hope you read this  
 
“Wa haafizu alas Salaat wa as-Salatil wustaa wa qumoo lillahi qaaniteen”.  
 
“And be watchful over your Salaat, particularly over the central Salaat and be steadfast in obedience to God”. 2:238
 
 
This verse is coherent with the context only if Salaat is taken as Divine Commandments, because in the course of family laws, order to offer Namaz is out of context.  
 
From 225 to 242, we can see Family laws being described in progression and getting their final decision, in between from verse 238 is ordering watchfulness over Salaat and it is unquestionably related to preservation of the Divine Commandments.  
 
Furthermore, the marvelous guidance regulating central/middle Salaat in relation to family laws is redirecting awareness to some specific aspects.  
 
2:239 Yusuf Ali: If ye fear (an enemy), pray on foot, or riding, (as may be most convenient), but when ye are in security, celebrate Allah's praises in the manner He has taught you, which ye knew not (before).
 
 
Here it is ordained that if you’re in a condition of fear, you have to observe the Divine commandments “rijalan” or “rukbaanan” , which means, with courage and fortitude or by remaining united. “Rijalan” also means “walking around”, as well as “with bravery”. Similarly, “rukbaanan”, apart from “riding position”, also means “together”, “united”.  
 
The next verse makes it even clearer that this is not about a prayer as your Jewish heroes are performing in the YouTube video  
 
“Fa iza amintum fa azkuru allah kamaa ‘allamakum maa lam takunu ta’lamoon”.  
“So, when you are in peace, keep in view the Divine Commandments as you are trained to do”.
 
 
How can this be stated when there is no training elaborated in the Quran? Which training is referred in this aya? Here the Quran says, “kamaa ‘allamakum” – as you have been taught. It is obvious that Salaat is a teaching which is detailed completely by Allah. Now, a truth seeker who really want to know what the Quran is actually saying and ordering one to do, must find these details in the Quran -and inform his own self that the life long Jewish prayer embezzled by hadith-history- fairytale junkies ,is nothing but manmade prank.  
 
NOW YOU CAN READ THE ANSWER TO 2:239 YOU POSTED (2.125 AND 128), AND SEE IF YOU CAN SEE THE REAL PICTURE OF SALAAT?
 
 
Parwez1.  
 
I have been very upset because of the bombing in Oslo; I lost 7 colleagues coz the bomb was placed at my workplace. The whole situation seems unreal.  
 
Thank you for posting the link, it made me laugh and I really needed that right now. Thank you so much (And he is telling the truth haha)
 

Comments by: waseemameer On 26 July 2011Report Abuse
(I have been very upset because of the bombing in Oslo; I lost 7 colleagues coz the bomb was placed at my workplace. The whole situation seems unreal. ) Nargis  
 
sis Nargis..sad to hear this

Comments by: DHULQARNAIN On 26 July 2011Report Abuse
PERWEZ,  
 
***I think he is absolutely right that there is no point in debating with those who come here with closed minds and those who follow what others have concluded without using their own senses… Having said that, I must now guide Mr. Dhulqarnain and Mr. Mubashir to the Exit door.***  
 
Hmmm…so those who do not agree with everything stated by you and the executive membership are closed minded, follow others blindly, and don’t use their own senses. It must be very comforting knowing that you are masters of the Quran and cannot POSSIBLY be wrong, eh? Sounds like you are the one who is closed minded.  
 
Your wanting me to leave means only one thing—you feel threatened by my arguments. Nothing else makes sense. You claim you don’t force your views on anyone, so, if that is true, then why do you want me to leave? I’m not forcing anything on you or anyone else, I’m simply challenging some of the ideas presented here. Your post borders on the histrionic.  
 
***Conformity is the act of matching attitudes, beliefs, and behaviors to what individuals perceive is normal of their society or social group. This influence occurs in small groups and society as a whole, and may result from subtle unconscious influences, or direct and overt social pressure. Anyone who is not ready to think out of the box and who is not willing to get himself free of human influence in order to understand Quran, has got nothing to do with aastana and this blog.***  
 
So let me get this straight, you condemn conformity on one hand, but if members here don’t conform with aastaan blog conclusions, then they are “not ready to think out of the box and not willing to get themselves free of human influence in order to understand Quran, have got nothing to do with aastana and this blog”.  
 
Well, aren’t the members here at aastana blog…humans? Don’t they want to influence those who come here and elsewhere? Listen, you are condemning people of the very same thing you are guilty of—conforming! Don’t you see that you are just as much a conformist as anyone else? You simply conform to aastanablogism.  
 
***Whats the point in discussing things when you can't think of your own? Why to quote other people to support your views? Where is your own mind?***  
 
Don’t you constantly quote Zaman and yourselves to support your views? Hasn’t Zaman become your guru? The question before us now is…where is your mind?  
 
***IN THE END, I MUST SALUTE TO AASTANA MANAGEMENT FOR DISPLAYING SUCH PATIENCE AND TOLERANCE THAT THEY ARE ALLOWING YOU PEOPLE TO POST THE RELIGIOUS EDICTS IN SUCH A FORCEFUL AND AGGRESSIVE MANNER.***  
 
I’m not being forceful and aggressive, but I am confident and definitive. Nothing about me is religious, check yourself though. Please describe me accurately and not project your faults on to me, thanks.  
 
***It is more like a rational approach to analyze the Quranic text with a clear state of mind and without being influenced by personal views presented by XYZ. I would call it a brave and a courageous approach to…***  
 
I would call it bordering on...being full of yourself; grandiose.  
 
Listen, one cannot get stronger without opposition. No one has a lock on this Quran, no, not even aastana blog, because if you did, then you would be…God. You'd do well to bear that in mind.  
 
Dhulqarnain-  

Comments by: abdullahbashoeb On 26 July 2011
Salam Our brilliant sister Nargis,  
 
I and my family join in your grief ......... It was too sad  
 
 
 
A Bashoeb

Comments by: DHULQARNAIN On 26 July 2011Report Abuse
PERWEZ,  
 
***I think he is absolutely right that there is no point in debating with those who come here with closed minds and those who follow what others have concluded without using their own senses… Having said that, I must now guide Mr. Dhulqarnain and Mr. Mubashir to the Exit door.***  
 
Hmmm…so those who do not agree with everything stated by you and the executive membership are closed minded, follow others blindly, and don’t use their own senses. It must be very comforting knowing that you are masters of the Quran and cannot POSSIBLY be wrong, eh? Sounds like you are the one who is closed minded.  
 
Your wanting me to leave means only one thing—you feel threatened by my arguments. Nothing else makes sense. You claim you don’t force your views on anyone, so, if that is true, then why do you want me to leave? I’m not forcing anything on you or anyone else, I’m simply challenging some of the ideas presented here. Your post borders on the histrionic.  
 
***Conformity is the act of matching attitudes, beliefs, and behaviors to what individuals perceive is normal of their society or social group. This influence occurs in small groups and society as a whole, and may result from subtle unconscious influences, or direct and overt social pressure. Anyone who is not ready to think out of the box and who is not willing to get himself free of human influence in order to understand Quran, has got nothing to do with aastana and this blog.***  
 
So let me get this straight, you condemn conformity on one hand, but if members here don’t conform with aastaan blog conclusions, then they are “not ready to think out of the box and not willing to get themselves free of human influence in order to understand Quran, have got nothing to do with aastana and this blog”.  
 
Well, aren’t the members here at aastana blog…humans? Don’t they want to influence those who come here and elsewhere? Listen, you are condemning people of the very same thing you are guilty of—conforming! Don’t you see that you are just as much a conformist as anyone else? You simply conform to aastanablogism.  
 
***Whats the point in discussing things when you can't think of your own? Why to quote other people to support your views? Where is your own mind?***  
 
Don’t you constantly quote Zaman and yourselves to support your views? Hasn’t Zaman become your guru? The question before us now is…where is your mind?  
 
***IN THE END, I MUST SALUTE TO AASTANA MANAGEMENT FOR DISPLAYING SUCH PATIENCE AND TOLERANCE THAT THEY ARE ALLOWING YOU PEOPLE TO POST THE RELIGIOUS EDICTS IN SUCH A FORCEFUL AND AGGRESSIVE MANNER.***  
 
I’m not being forceful and aggressive, but I am confident and definitive. Nothing about me is religious, check yourself though. Please describe me accurately and not project your faults on to me, thanks.  
 
***It is more like a rational approach to analyze the Quranic text with a clear state of mind and without being influenced by personal views presented by XYZ. I would call it a brave and a courageous approach to…***  
 
I would call it bordering on...being full of yourself; grandiose.  
 
Let me give you an example of your closed mindeness and unwillingness to alter your conformist views. Both you and the ritualists so-called muslims have Allahu Akbar wrong. I presented an argument about Allahu Akbar with the hopes the people here would see that, it, by itself, destroys an notion of a ritual prayer having been done by the Last Prophet. Akbar, plain and simply, means "greater". Allah cannot be assigned any comparative terms whether it be "er" or "est". This is why when Allah refers to Himself it always with the definite article "al/the". Allahu Akbar is shirk. I hope you people will take another look at this arguement.  
 
Listen, one cannot get stronger without opposition. No one has a lock on this Quran, no, not even aastana blog, because if you did, then you would be…God. You'd do well to bear that in mind.  
 
Dhulqarnain-  

Comments by: Mubashir On 26 July 2011Report Abuse
Dear All, we have stated our positions. I thank all those who responded!!  
 
Understanding of Allah's Word is between man and his Lord; I get that.  
 
However when 99% of Qur'an translations say one thing and 1% something else, it is bound to trigger questions. I get that as well.  
 
We condemn the savage bombing in Oslo and the killing rampage. Looks like extremists have one thing in common. They and only they know the truth and nothing else matters.  
 
We share you pain Sister Nargis.  
 
I thing we need to move on as this issue has been debated enough.

Comments by: moazzam On 26 July 2011
Sister Nargis! BEST WISHES FOR THE BRAVE USTANI (AASTANI).MAY ALLAH BLESS YOU, TAKE CARE.GRIEF/FEAR ????

Comments by: Saad Haider On 29 July 2011Report Abuse
Nargis: i love you and want to marry you.

Comments by: naeem sheikh On 29 July 2011Report Abuse
Dear Saad Haider : Marriage is a contract between "RAJJAL" and "NISAA" also their is "MEHR" which should be paid by RAJUL to NISA .As i understood from Sister Nargis's view points, she usually differs with orthodox in the sense of Woman = Nisa, Man = Rijal. I advise you, Mr. Saad Haider prior to proposal, You may decide this disputed issue first.

Comments by: Nargis On 29 July 2011Report Abuse
Understanding of Allah's Word is between man and his Lord; I get that.  
 
However when 99% of Qur'an translations say one thing and 1% something else, it is bound to trigger questions. I get that as well.  
 
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"HIS" Lord :-D  
 
If oxygen is for everyone, the Lord is for everyone too, no? It’s nice to see you want to move on and talk about something else; hope to see your comments on every line of reasoning in our next deliberations.  
 
I have a different approach, if 99 % agree on something without investigation; I would call it “mass” hypnoses, or “magnitude” magic.  
 
Disagreements and disability to solve disputes are seen almost everywhere in the world, even if you live as an Hindu in a Hindu dominating area, you have battles and disputes between each other. Look at different cast systems and different ranking systems among people in a country sharing the same ideology, language, religion, culture , food, etc., look at two people that can’t even live together and they divorce , how is it then possible that 99 agree one “something”? (Which is not even investigated, but blindly accepted? Oops, I think the question answered itself.)  
 
So the questions will always be asked by the “1” %, 99 % will sing hymns and mantras to maintain their figment of imagination. It’s always the illusion/ fantasy who is questioned, not the reality, coz it’s all there …  
 
In conclusion,  
 
Fantasy is maintained, reality is denied  
 
Or  
 
Question the Fantasy, and become a part of the 1 %  
 
That’s what the Quran did, questioned their dead Gods, and ordered them to provide proofs 2:111 …And the Quran is ONE, whereas others have loads of books and YouTube videos…  
 
We are not meant to be "Zombie-twins", when our inner qualities are developed and ready to color the community, we are meant to be different individuals founding an undivided entirety,  
 
He can explain it better than me:-  
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1C02dXYy1Q  
 
 
 
Thank you all for you kind words. Brother Moazzam, no sorrow, but shocked :-O, first time here so none of us can really understand anything, its so unreal:-O, One of my colleagues died and the other one lost her legs (she is 23 and started a month ago, poor girl):(  
 
@Saad Haidar, you should listen to brother Naeem:-D --- You’re already married, be careful or your wife will do this to you:-D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54A1o7EFkrA  
:-D

Comments by: Mubashir On 29 July 2011Report Abuse
This is not about mass hypnosis. This is about Qur'an alone translators as well who refuse to toe in the line! Who operate off the beaten track!!  
 
Wish it were that simple. Thanks anyway!!

Comments by: Nargis On 29 July 2011Report Abuse
this is not ABOUT mass hypnosis, it IS mass hypnosis. When the translators are NOT questioned and one follow their understanding without investigation, one is hypnotised and develop a zombie brain.  
 
The British philosopher Stephen Law has described some belief systems (including belief in homeopathy, psychic powers and alien abduction) as "claptrap" and said that they "draw people in and hold them captive so they become willing slaves ... if you get sucked in, it can be extremely difficult to think your way clear again"  
 
Here you can read how BELIEF system works and what it does to your brain...condition is BELIEF  
 
http://www.fringewisdom.com/your_belief_system.php  
 
Your belief system is the actual set of precepts from which you live your daily life, those which govern your thoughts, words, and actions. Without these precepts you could not function, so in order to take this journey, and to give it some meaning, you must answer the following questions for yourself. It will help you find out where you are, and as with any journey it helps to know where you are starting from. Please understand that this is not an easy thing for most people to do, but it is necessary to see ourselves as we truly are no matter how unpleasant this task may be. Even if you think you know the answers, please read the questions and think about the truthful answers that need to be given. If any part of what you believe is a lie, then you are not acting from a place of truth. For without acting in a way that is completely truthful, you will find that everything you do is a lie, therefore any attempt you might make toward resolving any problem would be in vain.  
 
 
The one who investigate and research everything meant to be true, won't believe in any presented fact which is actually a theory , if not proven.  
 
For example, Allama Parwez said Malaika are forces of nature... now how can this statement be challenged? and who did it since it was presented ?  
 
Another example is, Dr SHabbir saying the Quran is talking about Aliens (and he met some,ouuhhhh), now how can this be challenged and proven to be true? who investigated those ayas and did a research on them, to see what they are actually saying?

Comments by: Mubashir On 29 July 2011Report Abuse
Submitters, Dr Shabbir, Muhammad Asad, Dr Asarulislam, Akhtar Shirazi, G A Parwez, Progressive Muslims, Allama Mashriq, Sir Syed, etc. dared to challenge the traditional translations and presented what they considered as a better rendering.  
 
So, we are not discussing those who were not adding much to existing translations. We are discussing those who were trail blazers. Who dared to differ and put their lives on the line. Therefore, we wonder why did not get the real meaning of Yahood, Nasara, Zina, Malaika, Saum, Zauj, and a whole list of terms?? Any thinking person would wonder so please don't get offended.  
 

Comments by: Perwez1 On 29 July 2011Report Abuse
If Newton, Einstein, Nicola Tesla, Thomas Edison, David Miller, John Kelly and others like them would've followed the same principles of not speaking up against the mainstream, they wouldn't have come up with all those scientific discoveries.  
Conclusion: To discover the truth, one need to present his understanding and it normally differs from the old ones. Such people always get mocked by ignorant masses but finally truth prevails.  
 
I am unable to understand this state of Constant denial followed by confused statements;  
 
 
http://www.aastana.com/blog/aastanablog.asp?QID=1393  
Comments by: Mubashir On 07 July 2011  
Thanks for your comments Sis! I think since we have started to go around in circles, I wish to drop the subject and pray to the Almighty to guide us all.  
 
AND THEN HE STARTED DISCUSSING THE SAME THING ONCE AGAIN, DESPITE SAYING THAT HE DON'T WANT TO DISCUSS IT ANYMORE!!!  
 
http://www.aastana.com/blog/aastanablog.asp?QID=1465  
Comments by: Mubashir On 26 July 2011  
We share you pain Sister Nargis.  
I think we need to move on as this issue has been debated enough.  
 
WHAT????  
Again he closed the topic saying he dont want to discuss!!!!  
And now he opened this topic again???  
 
See this;  
http://www.aastana.com/blog/aastanablog.asp?SID=47&QID=1527  
 
CONFUSED !!!!!

Comments by: Nargis On 29 July 2011Report Abuse
So, we are not discussing those who were not adding much to existing translations. We are discussing those who were trail blazers. Who dared to differ and put their lives on the line. Therefore, we wonder why did not get the real meaning of Yahood, Nasara, Zina, Malaika, Saum, Zauj, and a whole list of terms?? Any thinking person would wonder so please don't get offended.  
 
I’m not offended at all; I can understand your view point. What we KNOW is that they didn’t look at the grammar, and mixed proper nouns with nouns, translated adjective as noun (hayat al dunya), used derivations and the accepted usage of a word as the true and only meaning, , didn’t look at the Quran as contiguous book but treated ayas as if they are out of subject. For example  
 
*Suddenly in Surah Maida, out of nowhere, Quran is talking about food, when it started with obligations 5.1:-S  
 
*Suddenly in 2.239, when family law is being discussed, Quran is talking about namaz:-S  
 
some other points  
 
*The prophet is trying to convince people about the reality of cause and effect and challenge them to bring their PROOF if they are truthful 2.111, but suddenly,, he himself,, can’t prove his own statements about life after death, flying angels, forces of nature conversing before they are killing people, aliens (you name it) so on so on- so when he can’t prove his own statements, how can he ask others for evidences? :-S  
 
*The prophet is teaching us that humanity is one ’’کَانَ النَّاسُ اُمَّۃً وَاحِدَۃ‘‘  
’’تمام انسانیت ایک ہے، تھی اور رہے گی‘‘, suddenly out of nowhere, He it is defining bloodlines and groups such as yahood and nasara?  
 
*The Quran is saying it’s a book of light, to take people out from darkness, liberating them from mind slavery (14:1-5), but instead of talking about their mindset, it is talking about the a certain group/blood line? What about those who are not yahood but are behaving in the same manner? Why wouldn’t the Quran talk about them?  
 
*Have you ever heard a psychiatrist refer to a mindset or line of thought shared by patients from different countries, as Negro, Zoroastrian or Paki?  
 
*But I heard a doctor say: - smokers are more likely to develop cancer  
 
Through this statement, I got the “smokers” behavior, habit, discipline, view one life and a preview of their future health, but not their race, color, group or religion …  
 
The Quran is talking to a society, is urging people to establish a peaceful society, but the rights and obligations are handled by MEN ONLY?  
 
The Quran is talking about society and how each and every individual make an entity, still only the relationship between men and women are regulated but not the relationship between the Nabi , imam, state officials and their followers ( zauj) ?  
 
The Quran is talking about moving and rehabilitating line of thoughts in order to achieve the right mindset that would lead you to higher levels of developments, still it is delivering irrational PHYSICAL punishment for sex out of marriage, which is called Zina?  
 
Sometimes Nisa becomes wife, sometimes it becomes “the women”, sometimes zauj becomes “wife” or “wives”, sometimes amrata is wife, sometimes muminati becomes believing women and Nisa is just al-Nisa that you can sleep with in the nights of fasting (2:183-187)  
 
What’s going on?  
 
One place marriage is designed to avoid Zina, another place “the women” are made the tilts for men? So what are men for women ? Or can a woman have another woman as a tilt?  
 
Anyway, I don’t know why other scholars didn’t see these things, you won’t believe it, but I’m not in their head -  
 
Or maybe we should forget about them, why can’t you see these things?  
 
Some people say we are wrong just because we look at the overlooked things :-D
 

Comments by: Junaid On 29 July 2011Report Abuse
Sister Nargis; I must admit that you are brilliant student as well as a brilliant teacher.  
Thank you for explaining the overlooked things and I hope no one will overlook this explanation of yours :)

Comments by: Mubashir On 29 July 2011Report Abuse
When ever I want to close and move on, I get an email that someone has responded to my "concluding remarks" . It seems some would like to keep the matter open.  
 
BTW Wives are tilths to men because that is where a seed is planted.  
 
Have a nice day!

Comments by: Perwez1 On 29 July 2011Report Abuse
MUBASHIR: When ever I want to close and move on, I get an email that someone has responded to my "concluding remarks" . It seems some would like to keep the matter open.  
 
This is absolutely wrong because it is you who is raising the questions on the same topic again and again.  
If you were done with the topic, why you raised the question again?  
And if you were done with the topic second time, why you raised the question third time???  
 
Salaat has been discussed hundreds of times on this forum and if you were interested about this topic, you would've read all the previous discussion, but you didn't because you wanted nothing but to make your presence felt. I must say that either it is for cheap publicity or you have an agenda. What could that agenda be?  
Maybe to promote Jewish ideology and force people to believe that Jews are real followers of Deen!!!  
 
MUBASHIR: BTW Wives are tilths to men because that is where a seed is planted.  
 
Now you should answer the same question I asked to Dhulqarnain.  
If Quran is so specific about men and women, why the third gender has been neglected?  
After all there are millions of people in this world who belong to this third gender and having neglected badly by rest of the societies, they have no option left but to earn money through sex!!!  
Are they seed, are they land, are they farmers or are they the tractors? Who are they???  
Why Allah neglected them and why nothing has been mentioned about them in Quran???  

Comments by: Tabrez On 29 July 2011Report Abuse
These days seeds can be planted in test tubes as well...............so even test tubes are tilths to men.........eeeww  
 
Tabrez Mabadaulat

Comments by: DHULQARNAIN On 29 July 2011Report Abuse
PERWEZ,  
 
***If Quran is so specific about men and women, why the third gender has been neglected?  
After all there are millions of people in this world who belong to this third gender and having neglected badly by rest of the societies, they have no option left but to earn money through sex!!!***  
 
What, exactly, defines a “third gender”? Please post your definition.  
 
Do any in this third gender produce sperm?  
 
Do any in this third gender have wombs?  
 
Dhulqarnain-  

Comments by: Mubashir On 29 July 2011Report Abuse
I think you have serious Problem not only with the concept of God but Revelation as well.  
 
That is how you come a cross anyway!!  

Comments by: Nargis On 29 July 2011Report Abuse
BTW Wives are tilths to men because that is where a seed is planted.  
 
I know you don't want to open your mail to find out people are commenting your thread, but you have to go through this, be strong brotha.  
 
A question even YOU can answer, is:-  
 
Do you even READ (not understand) what we say?  
 
Now other questions you don't want to answer:-  
 
You are saying:- WIVES are tilts BECAUSE the seed is planted there  
 
Two problems here, why is alNisa translated to WIVES all of the sudden, and THE WOMEN other places?  
 
Is there not a proper word for WIFE and WIVES in Arabic?  
 
* YOU are giving a reason for WHY "wives" are tilts, but you didn't refer to the Quran,,,why?  
 
Can you find this reason in the Quran? Please share it with us?  
 
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Then you go on and say:- "I think you have serious Problem not only with the concept of God but Revelation as well. "  
 
Please share the CONCEPT of God given in the Quran,,, the Revelation...  
 
You know the Revelation better than us so you should be able to answer every question ONLY ,,,ONLY through the Revelation.  
 
Waiting

Comments by: Perwez1 On 30 July 2011Report Abuse
MUBASHIR: I think you have serious Problem not only with the concept of God but Revelation as well.  
 
PERWEZ: No dude, it's you who have serious problem because you are trying to grab attention here and not me.  
 
You came up with a wrong translation of 2:125, stretching it to support the rakaats in your namaaz. I asked you where did these rakaats came from and you quoted 2:125 which has got nothing to do with the rakaats.  
 
You people have so many rakaats in you namaaaz, for example in FAJR you have 2 sunnahs and 2 fards, in ZOHR, you have 4 sunnah, 4 fards, and then again 2 sunnah and 2 nafil, then you have ASAR where you read 4 sunnah and 4 fard and it goes on!!!!  
 
My question was that where did all these rakaats came from? Where are these details given in Quran?  
Now I'll add few more things here.  
Where did that first thing which you recite in your namaaz (the so called "HAMD" or "SANAA") came from?  
Where did that DUROOD came from? It's not written in Quran!!!!  
And where did those words came from, which you recite when you bow or prostrate?  
They are not mentioned in Quran at all.  
 
First you said that everyone must follow JEWS who are the true holders of PRAYERS and you wrongly quoted 2:125 and said it talks about RAKAATs but that was a wrong statement!!!  
When I asked you to elaborate, you ran away saying I am done with this topic but then you opened up the discussion again with a new question on the same issue!!!  
What's your point dude??  
Who gave you the right to force the so called RAKAATs in 2:125???  
And you ran away without providing clarification!!!  
 
Also you didn't answer the following;  
 
If Quran is so specific about men and women, why the third gender has been neglected?  
After all there are millions of people in this world who belong to this third gender and having neglected badly by rest of the societies, they have no option left but to earn money through sex!!!  
Are they seed, are they land, are they farmers or are they the tractors? Who are they???  
Why Allah neglected them and why nothing has been mentioned about them in Quran???  
 
Let me share some verses from Quran which defines people like you;  
 
انکے اذھان اورسوچ پر قوانین قدرت نے مہر لگا دی ہے ۔ اور ان کی بصیرت پر پردہ ہے اور ان کے لئے ایک عظیم عذاب ہے۔ (2:07  
2:08)  
اور لوگوں میں سے وہ بھی ہیں جو کہتے ہیں کہ ہم اقدار الہی کے ذریعے امن میں رہتے ہیں اور مکافات عمل کے ظہور کے وقت بھی امن میں رہنے والے ہونگےلیکن یہ لوگ امن والے نہیں۔  
یہ مملکت خداداد اور اہل امن کو دھوکہ دیتے ہیں لیکن یہ توصرف اپنے ہی لوگوں کو دھوکہ دیتے ہیں اور یہ بے شعور ہیں۔ (2:09  
ان کے اذھان میں مرض ہے بس قدرت نے ان کے مرض کو بڑھایا اور ان کےجھٹلانے کے سبب ان کے لئے دردناک عذاب ہے۔ (2:10  
جب ان سے کہا جاتا ہے کہ تم لوگ زمین میں فساد نہ کرو تو کہتے ہیں ہم تو اصلاح کرنے والے ہیں۔ (2:11  
آگاہ رہو یہی لوگ تو فسادی ہیں لیکن شعور نہیں رکھتے ۔ (2:12  
 
I think these verses are more than enough to explain the readers who you are!!!  
Instead of doing research and to learn something, you are repeating the same old junk which has already been rejected by all of us .  
You simply came here to create FASAAD and that's it.  
 
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Tabrez Mabadaulat raised a very important point here;  
TABREZ: These days seeds can be planted in test tubes as well...............so even test tubes are tilths to men.........eeeww  
Well done Mabadaulat. Ghulaam Khush hua :D  
I think Mubashir should tell us about test tubes as well. Are these the tilths???

Comments by: Junaid On 30 July 2011Report Abuse
These days seeds can be planted in test tubes as well...............so even test tubes are tilths to men.........eeeww By: Tabrez Mabadaulat  
 
That is a very good point Tabrez. Well said brother :)

Comments by: bob On 30 July 2011 Edit DeleteReport Abuse
Dear brother Mubashir  
 
If Bokhari is unable to back up his reports from the Quran, then anyone who confronts his explanations should provide solid evidences from the Quran to back up his assertions. Can you please do that?

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Respected Sir, 1- What is the difference between "Ribaa" & "Baeh" as quoted in 2 / 275 ? 2- What about the profit being offered by National Saving Centers on fixed deposits. Can we term it as "Ribaa" ? Question by: M Aslam From PAKISTAN (GOJRA) On 11/07/2011
 
Dear Aastana Members: Assalam o alaikum. Kindly enlighten us about LAILA TULQADR and SHAB-E-BRAAT , Brother Moazzam is requested please elaborate the Surah Alqadr (97). Question by: naeem sheikh From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 18/07/2011
 
Dr Sahab And Mambers Is it possible that wahi reveals on some nabi other then Quran in these days at any nation. Question by: Saeed From PAKISTAN (KARACHI(MSAEEDTAJ@GMAIL.COM)) On 18/07/2011
 
Is god an entity Question by: Yellow-cow From AFGHANISTAN (KABUL) On 22/07/2011
 
Ched some light on 54.45, not sense at all. Why say we criate pairs and the man the woman? Question by: Yellow-cow From AFGHANISTAN (KABUL) On 30/07/2011
 
Brother Moazzam! Please enlighten us about the wife of "Aziz e Misr" realy fell in love with Yousaf and invited him for fornication at her bed ,in the absence of king? IT SEEMS STRANGE TO ME BEING A DIVINE MESSAGE. Question by: naeem sheikh From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 15/08/2011
 
Which socio-economic concept does Quran supports: Homo reciprocans OR Homo economicus? Please find the details below: Question by: Junaid From PAKISTAN (KARACHI) On 01/09/2011
 
What political philosophy does Quran supports: Libertarianism, Voluntaryism OR Anarchism? Please find the details below: Question by: Junaid From PAKISTAN (KARACHI) On 01/09/2011
 
Does Quran supports Egalitarianism and Existentialism? Please find the details below: Question by: Junaid From PAKISTAN (KARACHI) On 01/09/2011
 
Does Quran allow Rebellion or is it totally forbidden in any situation whatsoever? Please find the details below: Question by: Junaid From PAKISTAN (KARACHI) On 01/09/2011
 
Dear Members Is soorah Fateha is a part of Quran? If not then where it comes from.? Salaam Question by: Saeed From PAKISTAN (KARACHI(MSAEEDTAJ@GMAIL.COM)) On 03/09/2011
 
I have asked 5 very important questions but none from aastana team known as "WE" has replied. Are these questions irrelevant? OR is everyone from the "WE" team is too busy trying to convince Mr. Dhulqarnain? Question by: Junaid From PAKISTAN (KARACHI) On 04/09/2011
 
Dear Sir, A question ! ...".Jannat" & "Jahanum"...As per Quran , are these physical places , or concepts , or status for humankind ? please explain with quotation of Quranic verses. Question by: M Aslam From PAKISTAN (GOJRA) On 05/09/2011
 
Dear all ,What exactly is unachievable in the mentioned attributes of Rusools and Nabis and what did they do to get wahy....? Question by: Nargis From BARBADOS (KIO BATAO?) On 12/09/2011
 
Dear Sir, A question ! ... ".Jannat" & "Jahanum"...As per Quran , are these physical places , or concepts , or status for humankind ? please explain with quranic reference, Question by: M Aslam From PAKISTAN (GOJRA) On 17/09/2011
 
PEACE TO ALL, DID ALLAH CHANGE PEOPLE INTO APES AND SWINE? 5:60..He brought His wrath and of whom He made apes and swine... YES: EXPLAIN NO: EXPLAIN Question by: DHULQARNAIN From UNITED STATES On 21/09/2011
 
Dear Sir, Please explain meanings of verses 160 t0173 of sura 26, relatin to events of hazarat LOOT' Question by: M Aslam From PAKISTAN (GOJRA) On 23/09/2011
 
Brother Moazzam; Please enlighten us about the palmistry given in the link http://profkokab.com/. Is it a science or the branch of secrete knowledge already plotted in the universe.?? Question by: Mujeeb From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 27/12/2011
 
Surah jummah 2, why is it saying "Rusool" and not "Mohammed"...Rusool is among ummi....or Mohammed is ummi...? Question by: Nargis2 From TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO (TOMBACCO) On 04/01/2012
 
جنابَ محترم ! کچھھ عرصہ قبل ایک کتابچہ شائع ہوا تھا "اہلِ حدیث کے چھھ سوالات کے جوابات" مجھے اس کا لنک چاہئے۔ Question by: M Aslam From PAKISTAN (GOJRA) On 13/01/2012
 
brother Moazzam: Please enlighten us about the bird called "HUD HUD",who brought information about queen saba.how can a bird understand the TAUHEED AND SHIRK, more over differetiation between male and female ruling?? Question by: Mujeeb From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 14/01/2012
 
How & when "Namaz" was intoduced into Muslim society? Question by: M Aslam From PAKISTAN (GOJRA) On 30/01/2012
 
Dear Members, Brother Moazzam: Please enlighten us about the term "FIQH", is it a Quranic term? if yes then were would we find the Aastana's FIQH as Aastana is providing Quranic translation only [asked by one of my colleague]. Question by: Mujeeb From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 15/02/2012
 
Respected Moazzam/Auranangazeb sahib and Brothers, Considering the fact that Quran's meanings/interpretations are being manipulated/corrupted/distorted to a massive level, how a common man can understand his service towards his God? Question by: sameermoopa From INDIA On 15/02/2012
 
question asked:- could 'ma tashabaha minHU' be 'min Allah' rather than 'min al-kitab'. After all, Allah is the doer of this aya.(3:7) Question by: Nargis From BARBADOS (KIO BATAO?) On 29/02/2012
 
Aastana team : Do the counts given in Quran like 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,10,11,12,19,20,30,40,70,80,99,100,200, 950,1000,2000,3000,5000,50000 at different places are real numerical counts or possess other lexicon meanings as per context ? Question by: Mujeeb From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 28/03/2012
 
Drar Sir, Please define the meanings of 9 / 36 What here :- أَرْبَعَةٌ حُرُمٌ ذَلِكَ الدِّينُ الْقَيِّمُ Question by: M Aslam From PAKISTAN (GOJRA) On 28/03/2012
 
What are Harut Marut? Question by: moazzam From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 02/11/2012
 
TRUE SENSE OF VERSE 20/46 : قَالَ لَا تَخَافَا إِنَّنِي مَعَكُمَا أَسْمَعُ وَأَرَى. Question by: moazzam From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 03/04/2013
 
1) THEY ASK YOU ABOUT AL ROOH (WAHY)? 2) IS THE QURAN DIVINE, IF YES, WHY? Question by: Nargis From BARBADOS (KIO BATAO?) On 05/05/2013
 
Dear Moazzam bhai regards, Quran me ya to saza ke dar se ya reward ke laalach se naik kaam ke liye kaha jata hai.Kya Insan itna gaya guzra hai ki wo in two baton ke alawa Naik kaamon ki taraf aa nahi sakta? Question by: Mohd Danish From INDIA (SAHARANPUR) On 08/05/2013
 
Dear Moazzam bhai regards, 6/151 me aulaad ko qatl na karne ki jo baat hai uska mafhoom kya hai ? Question by: Mohd Danish From INDIA (SAHARANPUR) On 19/05/2013
 
Dear Moazzam bhai regards, Quran me ya to saza ke dar se ya reward ke laalach se naik kaam ke liye kaha jata hai.Kya Insan itna gaya guzra hai ki wo in two baton ke alawa Naik kaamon ki taraf aa nahi sakta? Question by: Mohd Danish From INDIA (SAHARANPUR) On 19/05/2013
 
Religion has divided humanity into sects , how to bring about inter faith harmony between religions ? Question by: Hamid Gul From PAKISTAN (KARACHI) On 18/09/2015
 
salam DR sab and every one, please watch this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhjikPTzLDA we need bold persons to explain quran openly with no fear. please post this. Question by: kanju swat From UNITED KINGDOM (LONDON) On 18/01/2016
 
Stealing someone's property is considered bad. Why stealing property of Allah(Land, it's ownership, selling and purchasing) is not bad ? Question by: Hamid Gul From PAKISTAN (KARACHI) On 24/02/2016
 
Brothers and sisters of aastana team,Quran rejects democracy. What is political system of "mumlaqat-e-elahaya" Question by: Hamid Gul From PAKISTAN (KARACHI) On 26/02/2016
 
Why not blow life into lifeless aastana site by putting questions concerning life and find answers through scientific discoveries instead of fixing ourselves in theology ? Question by: Hamid Gul From PAKISTAN (KARACHI) On 26/02/2016
 
Why should we limit ourselves to Quran while searching for truth, when Al-kitab also includes science/nature ? Science +Wahi = Al-kitab. Question by: Hamid Gul From PAKISTAN (KARACHI) On 02/03/2016
 
When did modern State came into being and how were people living in anarchy ? Let us ponder ? Question by: Hamid Gul From PAKISTAN (KARACHI) On 04/03/2016
 
"Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly and bad people will find a way around the laws. " Plato Do we need laws? Question by: Hamid Gul From PAKISTAN (KARACHI) On 04/03/2016
 
Why can't Mother Nature itself be viewed as the Creator and It's knowledge be viewed as Wahi ? Question by: Hamid Gul From PAKISTAN (KARACHI) On 05/03/2016
 
What is the future of family institution in the Modren Civilization ? Question by: Hamid Gul From PAKISTAN (KARACHI) On 05/03/2016
 
Salam every one , what is the best QUESTION/ANSWER to the atheists about the God existence ?and what is Quran says about GOD (himself ),thanks Question by: kanju swat From UNITED KINGDOM (LONDON) On 21/03/2016
 
Only forms of thoughts exist ,matter doesn't , why a soul(higher form) decides to enter into a body which is a form existing at lower level ? Question by: Hamid Gul From PAKISTAN (KARACHI) On 10/05/2016
 
Is there any evidence in the concept of reincarnation from any sources of truth ? Question by: Hamid Gul From PAKISTAN (KARACHI) On 10/05/2016
 
Any update on the book ,(the truth about soum) please? thanks, Question by: kanju swat From UNITED KINGDOM (LONDON) On 18/05/2016
 
Sura 56 Aya 57 نَحْنُ خَلَقْنَاكُمْ فَلَوْلَا تُصَدِّقُونَ {57} Question by: Hamid Gul From PAKISTAN (KARACHI) On 21/05/2016
 
Eid-ul-Fitr, Any reference from Quran regarding celebration of Eid-ul-Fitr , kindly share to examine the matter in the light of Quran , as to when , why and how it should be celebrated Question by: Hamid Gul From PAKISTAN (KARACHI) On 03/07/2016
 
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