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TRANSLATION OF QURAN
BY DR. QAMAR ZAMAN
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آیات
سورۃ
نمبر
1-7 الفَاتِحَة -1
1-286 البَقَرَة -2
1-200 آل عِمرَان -3
1-176 النِّسَاء -4
1-120 المَائدة -5
1-165 الاٴنعَام -6
1-206 الاٴعرَاف -7
1-75 الاٴنفَال -8
1-129 التّوبَة -9
1-109 یُونس -10
1-123 هُود -11
1-111 یُوسُف -12
1-43 الرّعد -13
1-52 إبراهیم -14
1-99 الحِجر -15
1-128 النّحل -16
1-111 بنیٓ اسرآئیل / الإسرَاء -17
1-110 الکهف -18
1-98 مَریَم -19
1-135 طٰه -20
1-112 الاٴنبیَاء -21
1-78 الحَجّ -22
1-118 المؤمنون -23
1-64 النُّور -24
1-77 الفُرقان -25
1-227 الشُّعَرَاء -26
1-93 النَّمل -27
1-88 القَصَص -28
1-69 العَنکبوت -29
1-60 الرُّوم -30
1-34 لقمَان -31
1-30 السَّجدَة -32
1-73 الاٴحزَاب -33
1-54 سَبَإ -34
1-45 فَاطِر -35
1-83 یسٓ -36
1-182 الصَّافات -37
1-88 صٓ -38
1-75 الزُّمَر -39
1-85 المؤمن / غَافر -40
1-54 حٰمٓ السجدة / فُصّلَت -41
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My question is to Dr. Qamaruzzaman, if we belive to disobay to Hadeth making reason of a silent period of around 150 years after RasoolULLAH then how did afterward muslims and people ddi recognise the prophet Muhammad as a last prophet.
Add Your Comments  Question by: LUCKY1402 On 27 January 2011
Comments by: UmeAimon On 27 January 2011Report Abuse
Salam,  
 
Lucky, you sure got lucky when you got here:).  
Tell me something did Allah tell you to obey hadith to confirm Quran or prophet? If not then why not? and why you still insist you need them? Is it because since childhood you have been told by men of religion ? Could it be that it's they who told you are wrong and not Quran and what Allah told you?  
 
UmeAimon  

Comments by: Junaid2 On 27 January 2011Report Abuse
Salaam;  
 
Very well said dear sister :)  
 
2:170 When it is said to these (satans), "Follow what Allah has revealed",they say, "Nay! We follow that wherein we found with our ancestors.” "What! Even though their ancestors (and the ancient Imams) were lacking in understanding and were not rightly guided?”  
 
10:35 Say, “Of your ‘partners’, is there any that can lead you to the truth?” Say, “Allah leads to the truth. So, who is more worthy of being followed? The One Who shows you the way or one who finds no way unless he is guided? What is amiss with you? How do you judge?”  
 
10:36 The majority of people follows nothing but conjecture. But conjecture can never be a substitute for the Reality of things. Allah is Knower of what they do (and forge).  
 
3:103 You must hold fast, all of you together, to the Bond of Allah and be not divided into sects. (The Bond or Rope of Allah is the Qur’an which is an Unbreakable Support 2:256.) Remember Allah’s favor upon you when you were enemies and, almost overnight, He brought mutual affection in your hearts. Thus, you became brothers and sisters by His grace. And recall that you were on the brink of the pit of fire, and He saved you from it. (Various tribes used to attack one another, and personal enmity plagued them.) This is how effectively Allah has made His messages clear for you to journey on the lighted road.  
 
30:32 Those who split up their religion becoming sects, each sect delighting in whatever beliefs they have. [3:104, 6:160, 23:53, 42:13. Sectarianism is invariably based on taking humans as ‘authorities’]  
 
SUNNI: Followers of Imam Abu Hanifa, Imam Maalik, Imam Shafi and Imam Hanbal in terms of sharia. Blind followers of Imam Bukhari, Muslim, Nasaii, Abu Dawud, Tirmizi, and Ibn Majah in terms of hadith.  
 
SHIA: Followers of Imam Jaffer Al-Sadiq, Imam Musa Al-Kazim, Imam Ali Al-Reza, Imam Muhammad Al-Jawad, Imam Ali Al-Naqi, Imam Hassan Al-Askari in terms of sharia. Followers of Muhammad ibn Ya'qub al-Kulayni, Muhammad ibn Babuya and Shaykh Muhammad Tusi in terms of hadith. Shia also believe that Ali (R) was the first Imam and was the rightful successor to Prophet (S)  
 
People who are defending the books of hadiths and sunnah are actually not protecting the words and deeds of Prophet Muhammad , rather they are defending the work by following personalities (All of them were of Persian origin and were born at least after 200 AH);  
 
Tareekhil Umam Wal Mulook by Imam Tabari (around 870)  
Sahih Bukhari, collected by Imam Bukhari (d. 870),  
Sahih Muslim, collected by Muslim b. al-Hajjaj (d. 875),  
Sunan al-Sughra, collected by al-Nasa'i (d. 915)  
Sunan Abu Dawood, collected by Abu Dawood (d. 888) Jami al-Tirmidhi, collected by al-Tirmidhi (d. 892)  
Sunan ibn Majah, collected by Ibn Majah (d. 887)  
 
Their belief is a clear contradiction to the following verse;  
 
45:06 These are the verses of Allah We convey to you with truth. Then, in what HADITH, if not in Allah and His verses, will they believe?  
 
I will try not to go into more details but let me quote a friend of mine who collected some details about Imam Bukhari;  
 
Imam Bukhari who is considered as the most authentic Imam for hadith and his collection of hadith is regarded as sahi (Authentic) among Sunnis. Bukhari collected and memorized 600,000 narrations and then extracted 2600 out of 600,000 as correct (Sahih) without any prior knowledge and education on this subject.  
AND!  
He did all that starting at the age of 16 while on the run without a support for his livelihood. He spent 16 years of his life travelling and collecting narrations... simply by listening from other people and memorizing it (like a story). Imagine a Muslim world of Middle East where people like Imam Abu Hanifa are criticized and mocked despite of having a title of "Imam-e-azam". In the same world of skeptic Bukhari some how manages to obtain title of "Imam" and his book lends a status of "Most Authentic" collection of Hadith.  
 
Ironically, Shia , Sunni and others.. who disagree on every thing else even interpretation of Quran.. some how seem to agree that "Sahih Bukhari" is in fact "Sahih" And when you read Bukhari .. you find stuff that makes you scratch you head and ask yourself (how the hack this stuff made into book of hadith?) YET ... you find people justifying this in their twisted logics.. and you find them not willing to listen to any criticism on Bukhari.  
People agree to listen to criticism on wives of Muhammad (S), his Companions and even question Quran ... But they dare not say a word about Bukhari and his "Sahih".  
 
8:22 Surely, the worst of creations in the sight of Allah are the deaf and the dumb who do not use their reason. [2:18, 16:76]

Comments by: momin On 27 January 2011Report Abuse
Dear UmeAimen and Junaid,  
 
You gave good answers pertaining to Hadith, but forgot the real question Lucky asked. The question  
he/she asked, "how did afterward muslims and people ddi recognise the prophet Muhammad as a last  
prophet."  
 
I think Lucky wanted to ask it is through Hadith that we consider the Prophet as last. If we reject than can  
you prove from Quran that he was last? This aspect off question has been neglected by both of you.  

Comments by: Minaal On 28 January 2011Report Abuse
Dear Lucky,  
 
God has already given you a reply about your good question in:  
 
Surah-e-Ehzaab, Verse No.40:  
 
(Mohammed is not the father of any of your men; yes He is the Messenger of Allah and the last one among all the prophets. And Allah knows all things).  
 
Thank you for contact us.

Comments by: momin On 28 January 2011Report Abuse
Dear Luchy,  
 
But Doctor Qamer says "Khatim" does not mean the last Prophet. Please find his interpretations  
on this blog and you will know.

Comments by: UmeAimon On 29 January 2011Report Abuse
Salam,  
 
Dear Momin, the question was meant FOR the authenticity of ahadith. I did not ignore the qustion but gave another perspctive for him to think for himslef... something that is totally denied to the tradition followers. How did people before ahadith confirmed anything at all??  
As for last prophet and all, this has been dicsussed somewhere else on the forum.  
jazakAllah  
 
UmeAimon

Comments by: Minaal On 29 January 2011Report Abuse
Dear Lucky,  
 
Quran is a authentic Ilhami Hadees of our Prophet Muhammad (S).  
 
For confirmation you may see Surah-e-Toor, Verse No.34:  
 
(Then let them bring a single Hadees like this, if they are truthful).  
 
and,  
 
Surah-e-Musilaat, Verse No.50:  
 
(In which Hadees then, after this will they believe?)  
 
and Dear Momin, plz be carefull,  
 
Respected Dr. Qamar Zaman Sahab did not challenge the Khatmay Nabuwat anywhere, not in translation and nor by way of interpretation.  
 
Thank you.

Comments by: momin On 29 January 2011Report Abuse
 
Dear Minaal,  
 
Here is the post by Doctor Qamer, The meaning of"KHATIM" have been clearly mentioned by him. My  
comments were keeping in view the meanings of the word "Khatim" which he himself gave. How you  
further interpret , I don't know.  
 
 
 
 
Dear Abdullah nambiar ,  
 
This question has been asked before . I am posting once again the same answers with some details ,I hope this will suffice most of the readers quest .  
 
Rasool is a messenger so logically a Rasool can not be a Rasool without amessage. Now to know how allah gives a message is told in verse 51 of sura 42 .  
 
وَمَا كَانَ لِبَشَرٍ أَنْ يُكَلِّمَهُ اللَّهُ إِلا وَحْيًا أَوْ مِنْ وَرَاءِ حِجَابٍ أَوْ يُرْسِلَ رَسُولا فَيُوحِيَ بِإِذْنِهِ مَا  
يَشَاءُ إِنَّهُ عَلِيٌّ حَكِيمٌ  
 
51 it is not possible to any human being that Allâh speaks to him except by Wahi , or from behind a veil, or that He sends a Rasool to reveal what He wills Undoubtedly He is Most High, Most Wise.  
 
Now who is Nabi ?  
 
Nabi is a strong personality and implementer of the Wahi. You may study all those verses and suras where the word Nabi has appeared and you will find him :  
- As Giving orders  
- Making decisions  
- Appointing commanders  
- Head of the states  
So Rasool can not be a Rasool without Wahi as he is amessenger of Wahi. And Nabi can not be a Nabi without Wahi as he is the implementer of Wahi .  
 
Your question needs two words / terminologies to be understood .نبی and النبی The root letters of the word نبی is either ن ب و or ن ب ی نبی from ن ب و means a person posted at a high position like a Head of a state .But نبی from ن ب ی means a person who gives some news , and in Religion it means a person Who gets news from the God and gives it to the nation .النبی is a proper noun because of additional ال . Now the word وَخَاتَمَ النَّبِيِّينَ has appeared only once in sura 33.  
 
مَا كَانَ مُحَمَّدٌ أَبَا أَحَدٍ مِنْ رِجَالِكُمْ وَلَكِنْ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ وَخَاتَمَ النَّبِيِّينَ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عَلِيمًا  
 
Now as you can see in the word خا تَم there is a زبر Zabar over the alphabet َت , So the paradigm isفا عَل with a زبر zabar over عWhereas in the word خا ِتم there is a Zer زیر under the alphabet ت ,so the paradigm is فاعل with a زیر zer under ع The words found under the paradigm فاعل ( fa il )with a زیر are کاتب katib قاتل qatil قادر qadir حامل hamil etc as you can see the meanings of the words made under this paradigm has inherent meanings of having faculty of a doer performer ,or an operator .The word خاتم with a زبر over ت is not under this paradigm but it is under the paradigm فاعل with a زبر over ت .The other word made under the paradigm with a زبر over the alphabet ع is عالم meaning universe with a زبر over ل . So to construe the meaning of خاتَم as the last prophet is through interpretation.Let me quote Ameen Ahsan Islahi on page 239 of Tadabbur -e- Quran Book 6 . دونون اھل لغت کے نزدیک بالکل ھم معنی ھین " خاتم KHATIM خاتم Khatam  
 
Last man of a nation, Result of a thing , Last stamp of a letter, all these things are included in its meanings .”Although neither خاتم with زیر nor خاتم with زبر means to stop .The categorical word meaning the last is not used which is آخر ,this has made the whole confusion  
 
Now let us see some verses about closure of the coming of messenger, verse 71 of sura 39  
 
وسِيقَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا إِلَى جَهَنَّمَ زُمَرًا حَتَّى إِذَا جَاءُوهَا فُتِحَتْ أَبْوَابُهَا  
 
and those who rejected will be driven to hell in groups, till they reach it, the gates will be opened . and وَقَالَ لَهُمْ خَزَنَتُهَا its keepers will say  
 
أَلَمْ يَأْتِكُمْ رُسُلٌ مِنْكُمْ يَتْلُونَ عَلَيْكُمْ آيَاتِ رَبِّكُمْ وَيُنْذِرُونَكُمْ لِقَاءَ يَوْمِكُمْ هَذَا  
 
Did not the Messengers come to You from yourselves, reciting to You the Verses of Your Lord, and warning You of the Meeting of This Day of yours?  
 
َقالُوا بَلَى وَلَكِنْ حَقَّتْ كَلِمَةُ الْعَذَابِ عَلَى الْكَافِرِينَ  
 
they will say: "Yes, but the word of torment has been justified against those who rejected to accept .  
 
Note that  
1,.. messengers will be from amongst us ,not an outsider .  
2,.. messenger will recite by himself .  
3 .. messenger will warn us of the day of meeting .  
 
Considering the concept of the Mullah none of the past RASOOL ( messenger ) was from amongst us ,nor did he himself recite the AAYAT of RAB ( آیات ربکم ) nor did he warn us ,as they have left us centuries ago .  
A messenger according to this verse should be from us , should teach us by himself and warn us of the consequences .)  
Another verse no 21 from sura 3  
 
إِنَّ الَّذِينَ يَكْفُرُونَ بِآيَاتِ اللَّهِ وَيَقْتُلُونَ النَّبِيِّينَ بِغَيْرِ حَقٍّ وَيَقْتُلُونَ الَّذِينَ يَأْمُرُونَ بِالْقِسْطِ مِنَ النَّاسِ فَبَشِّرْهُمْ بِعَذَابٍ أَلِيمٍ  
 
21. Verily! those who reject the Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allâh and kill the Prophets without right, and kill those men who order just dealings, ... announce to them a painful torment.  
In this verse the verbs used are not in past tense ,the verbs are  
یکفرون یقتلون  
These words can either be translated in present tense or future tense . these words can in no way be translated into past tense . So when this verse was revealed to prophet Mohammad there were so many انبیاء and it is a non ending continuous process .  
Another verse no 4 from sura 14  
 
وَمَا أَرْسَلْنَا مِنْ رَسُولٍ إِلا بِلِسَانِ قَوْمِهِ لِيُبَيِّنَ لَهُمْ فَيُضِلُّ اللَّهُ مَنْ يَشَاءُ وَيَهْدِي مَنْ يَشَاءُ وَهُوَ الْعَزِيزُ الْحَكِيمُ  
 
4. and we always sent a Messenger in the language of his people, so that he the messenger makes the message clear for them. And then God does not guide the one who wants to remain misguided but guides only those who wants to be guided because He is the All-Mighty, the All-Wise.  
 
Even orthodox translations do not differ . see the orthodox translation,  
 
4. we sent not an apostle except (to teach) In the language of His (own) people, In order to make (things) Clear to them. Now Allah leaves straying those whom He pleases and guides whom He pleases: and He is Exalted In power, full of wisdom.( orthodox translation )  
Note :--من یشاء has been translated in orthodox translations as “for whom He pleases “ and proverb He is supposed to be God , this creates a problem ,and people are justified to ask “ why then man is responsible for his deeds .?”The word من is not for God but for the person who is doing a deed by his own choice .  
 
Now coming to our main discussion .  
 
There are many more verses which can be quoted in support of the above mentioned verses but lets now discuss it from another angle .  
The purpose of Quran is to establish a welfare state with a balanced socioeconomic system of justice to provide peace and prosperity to the community .  
 
To fulfill that aim , presence of a living leader is necessary . the messengers of the past can not come back and establish a welfare state , these personalities can be a role model to follow but can not guide us like a living person .  
For God to make someone the first or the last does not give that man any superiority on others . If becoming the last is superiority then automatically the previous ones were inferior ,which is against Quran .  
 
It can only lead to personality cult .  
 
Now coming to verse 40 of 33  
 
مَا كَانَ مُحَمَّدٌ أَبَا أَحَدٍ مِنْ رِجَالِكُمْ وَلَكِنْ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ وَخَاتَمَ النَّبِيِّينَ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عَلِيمًا  
 
Lets see the orthodox translation first for comparison ,  
40. Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (He is) the Messenger of Allah, and the seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things. ( Mohsin khan )  
 
40. Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (He is) the Messenger of Allah, and the seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things .( yusuf Ali )  
 
even these orthodox translators have translated خاتم النبیین as seal of prophets.  
 
Now keeping in mind the verse 21 of sura 3 ( already discussed above ) , which clearly indicates that so many prophets انبیاء were present in the times of prophet Mohammad . This verse no 40 of sura 33 is declaring that Mohammad was the seal of the prophets , which simply means He was the appointing authority of other prophets .  
Comments by: Dr. Qamar Zaman on 30/11/2010 >>View Detail  
 
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Comments by: lucky1402 On 30 January 2011Report Abuse
Okay let’s go to agree with Dr. Qamar......!!!!! Within 1400+/- years after Muhammad.... how many Prophets have been appointed up to now, who they was and what did they do? Who is or who are the prophets nowadays and why Muslims are not recognizing them? if Muhammad can proof himself in wild society of Arabs why not any later on prophet could proof himself and could not made his place, why all called FITNA only, important is that why only from society or believers of Muslims claimed the NABOVAT why not from Christians or Jews or Hindus are claiming for similar principles, why Almighty not giving a new divine book to existing prophet(s) which contains the solutions of present social problems? why all Scholars including Dr. Qamar are obtaining all solutions from Qura'an? if prophet could be anybody then is there a problem of short of communication with Almighty who is not sending a new book even after 1400 years? as we use to read in history that there had always been a prophet whenever people mixed up the DEEN of Almighty and HE sent prophets to clean and clear the dust layers on DEEN and guide people toward right path... then why not NOW ...? Can we say Dr. Qamar could be an existing prophet who is trying to redefine the DEEN of Almighty?

Comments by: lucky1402 On 30 January 2011Report Abuse
there is a clear contradiction between sister Minal and brother Momin and Momin put a valid post of Dr. Qamar, so Sister Minal what you say about this HUGE and fundamental conflict....???? bcz inlight of Dr. Qamar post... I have no choice expcet to admit Dr. Qamar a prophet..!!!!!!! will you agree with me bcz I strongly believe that Dr. Qamar is redefining the DEEN of Almighty and he is the one who cleaning Dust layres..... commnets plz  
and if you refuse to admit Dr. Qamar as a prophet then give me strong Divine proof otherwise do agree with my point, thanks

Comments by: Dr. Qamar Zaman On 31 January 2011
Oh .......Dear lucky ,  
Dont go to that extent . I am a simple human being who is trying to understand Quran on the bases of Arabic Grammar and Lexicon .  
What is the meaning of "رسول " a messenger ? and  
What is the meaning of " الرسول " The messenger ?  
A messenger can be anybody . My first teacher who taught me how to read and understand Quran was my first messenger of the message of Quran .  
Our teachers like Allama pervez , allama Amin Ahsan Islahi ,etc , all are messengers of Quran .  
But none of them is " the Messenger "  
The same is true for " نبی " and " النبی "  
 
يس (١) . Ya sin. وَالْقُرْآنِ الْحَكِيمِ (٢) 2. لَمِنَ الْمُرْسَلِينَ (٣) 3 the Qur'ân of wisdom is the witness that. Truly, You are one of the Messengers,  
Look who is giving authenticity to whom ? Even THE messenger needed certificate from Quran to be THE messenger .  
Its the Quran who is certifying that Yasin is the messnger .  
 
So nobody can claim that he is the messenger of God . Its the Quran which will certify that .  
But anybody can be the messenger of Quran ,which we all are, including you. Anybody who is conveying message of Quran to others , in whatever capacity , is a messenger .  
Are you not conveying message of Quran ? If yes what you should be called ?  
Consider scientist Newton who gave you the Law of Forces . He is the person who originally gave you the laws .He is the discoverer . None else can be called a discoverer of the Laws of Forces .But a person other than Newton can be a teacher or an expert of the subject but not the original discoverer .  
Same is the case of the original messenger of the divine message .  
We say " The message in Quran " is divine because it deals with eternal values which have never changed and will never change  
If someone brings that message again it will be a copy of the original .So in that sense this message was the first and will be the last . so no new message and no new " الرسول " ( the messenger ) but there will be so many messengers of God's message " the eternal values " of Quran to bring about peace and prosperity to the community.  
Dr Qamar Zaman

Comments by: lucky1402 On 01 February 2011Report Abuse
Dr. sb, I am pasting a paragraph which got from Al-Mawarid (Javed Ahmed Ghamidi Site) about Salath since they refered this para to Muhtaram Amin Ahsan Islahi, so I thought your commnets will be significant to this most important topic, thanks  
استاذ امام امین احسن اصلاحی نے اِس کی وضاحت میں لکھا ہے :  
 
''قرآن حکیم کا یہ بیان تجدید دین و اصلاح ملت کی تمام تحریکات اور تمام دعوتوں کے جانچنے کے لیے ایک کسوٹی فراہم کرتا ہے۔ اِس سے معلوم ہوتا ہے کہ صرف وہ دعوت یا تحریک اصلاح ملت کی صحیح دعوت یا تحریک ہے جس کے مبدأ و معاد ، جس کی ابتدا اور انتہا ، جس کے عقیدہ اور عمل، جس کے نصب العین اور پروگرام ، دونوں میں نماز اور اقامت نماز کو وہی اولیت اور اہمیت حاصل ہو جو اللہ کے عہد اور اُس کی اقامت کی جدوجہد میں فی الواقع ازروے قرآن اُس کو حاصل ہے۔ جس دعوت یا تحریک میں نماز کو یہ اولیت و اہمیت حاصل نہ ہو ، وہ تجدید دین اور اصلاح ملت کے نقطہئ نظر سے ایک بے برکت ، بلکہ لاحاصل کام ہے ، کیونکہ وہ اُس ریڑھ کی ہڈی سے بھی محروم ہے جس پر تجدید دین کی دعوت کا قالب کھڑا ہوتا ہے اور اُس روح سے بھی محروم ہے جس سے اِس قالب کو زندگی حاصل ہوتی ہے۔ '' (تدبر قرآن ١/٢٠٣)  
 
important is that Amin Ahsan Islahi sb. also getting Salath as existing NAMAZ......?

Comments by: moazzam On 01 February 2011
Dear Lucky Raja ! " جس دعوت یا تحریک میں نماز کو یہ اولیت و اہمیت حاصل نہ ہو ، وہ تجدید دین اور اصلاح ملت کے نقطہئ نظر سے ایک بے برکت ، بلکہ لاحاصل کام ہے ( Amin Ahsan Islahi sb. also getting Salath as existing NAMAZ ) "  
We admire Amin Ahsan Islahi sb’s inference to discourage the futile activities ( لاحاصل کام ) in a society.This is what we say about "NAMAZ" .  
 
If you may do replace the word “Namaz” with “Salat” in his statement quoted in your post, then it will become the Quranic.  
The Quranic term SALAT (being the core message of Qura’n) must be understood by Qura’n itself (as Dr. Qamarzaman did in his book haqeeqat-e-salat)  
Mind! The personality cult always be condemned at this forum, say NO to Amin Ahsan Islahi or who so ever is.  
Say YES to Qura’n  
I advise brother, you may pay especial attention at Quranic terminologies, through pondering in whole Qura'n, to grasp their true sense ,so that you may comprehend the Allah's message in its true letter and sprite , while keeping in mind its goal to PROTECTING HUMAN RIGHTS.  

Comments by: Minaal On 01 February 2011Report Abuse
My Dear Friend Lucky and my Aastana Friends,  
 
Whether God mentioned in his Last Reminder (Holy Quran) that I will send another Prophet / Messenger, after Muhammad (S), like previous holy religious scraptures???????  
 
Deen (System of God) and his “Sunnat” (Rules of Thumb / Law of Nature) never changed, but Culture time by time has been change.  
 
If we believe that Muhammad (S) is not a last Prophet so its mean Quran is also not a last Book (Last Reminder), and Deen is incomplete.  
 
And you know friends Deen (System of God) and his (Sunnat) never change).  
 
If you study Holy Quran for thorough understanding, you may easily understand that the whole Quran “is a Complete Deen” and a Last Reminder of God, through his Last Prophet/Messenger.  
 
For your confirmation a Holy Verse of Quran is given below for you:  
 
Surah-e-Maeda, Verse No. 3:  
 
(This day I have perfected your Deen (through the divine revelation) for you and completed My favour upon you and have chosen Islam as Deen (System) for you.  
 
And if you are in some doubt, concerning what We sent down upon Our special devotee, then bring one chapter like it, and call upon all your helpers beside Allah, if you are truthful.  
(Surah-e-Baqara (The Cow) Verse No.23).  
 
Dr. Qamar Zaman Sahab is a great Scholar/Missionary of Islam and Follower of Muhammad (S) for us.  
 
Regards,  
 
 
Yours sincere Friend.

Comments by: lucky1402 On 02 February 2011Report Abuse
here I have a little question to Brother Moazzam or to Dr. sb. that why do we add (Sallalah-ho-alaihy Wasallam) on the name of Muhammad and what does it actualy mean? from where its been drived and are we bound to say everytime when we call name or our holy prophet?  
what would be the level of Love & respect with Muhammad (SAW)?

Comments by: moazzam On 02 February 2011
Dear Lucky Raja ! Please read the book "HAQEEQAT-E-SALAT" BY Dr. Qamarzaman to comprehend the concept of "SALAWATTULLAH ALAIHIM" (Sallalahf-ho-alaihy Wasallam).  
As for as 2nd part of your question is concerns that is “what would be the level of Love & respect with Muhammad (SAW)?” 1:- To know the potentiality of love with rasool see the verse 9/24.  
 
2:- The level of respect with rasool could be seen in verse 49/1-5.  
3:- The status of Muhammad (pbuh) is very clearly elaborated in verses 3/144,33/40.  

Comments by: moazzam On 03 February 2011
Sister minaal ! Mind, “ ALKITAB” is a book revealed at MUHAMMAD KHATEM ANNABIYEEN (مَا كَانَ مُحَمَّدٌ أَبَا أَحَدٍ مِنْ رِجَالِكُمْ وَلَكِنْ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ وَخَاتَمَ النَّبِيِّينَ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عَلِيمًا ),the first and last scripture. All the prophets among their nation in any society, at any place and time (whether passed on, present or expected in future) وَمَا أَرْسَلْنَا مِنْ رَسُولٍ إِلا بِلِسَانِ قَوْمِهِ لِيُبَيِّنَ لَهُمْ فَيُضِلُّ اللَّهُ مَنْ يَشَاءُ وَيَهْدِي مَنْ يَشَاءُ وَهُوَ الْعَزِيزُ الْحَكِي will take guidance from THE UNIVERSAL VALUES $ AND LAWS OF NATURE, which will also be assured by this “ ALKITAB” see the verse 5/48 (Alkitab is a touch stone to test) Remember the MUHAMMAD at whom, this Alkitab was revealed, is not the ABBA of any follower, rather the SEAL OF PROPHET HOOD. The prophet “ ibn-e-Abdullah” who introduced this ALKITAB in Arabian peninsula ( يَا أَهْلَ الْكِتَابِ قَدْ جَاءَكُمْ رَسُولُنَا يُبَيِّنُ لَكُمْ عَلَى فَتْرَةٍ مِّنَ الرُّسُلِ أَن تَقُولُواْ مَا جَاءَنَا مِن بَشِيرٍ وَلاَ نَذِيرٍ فَقَدْ جَاءَكُم بَشِيرٌ وَنَذِيرٌ وَاللّهُ عَلَى كُلِّ شَيْءٍ قَدِيرٌwas the person having the ATTEREBUTE of MUHAMMAD. Mind Muhammad is not a proper noun rather an attribute, see the verse 61/6 (وَإِذْ قَالَ عِيسَى ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ يَا بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ إِنِّي رَسُولُ اللَّهِ إِلَيْكُم مُّصَدِّقًا لِّمَا بَيْنَ يَدَيَّ مِنَ التَّوْرَاةِ وَمُبَشِّرًا بِرَسُولٍ يَأْتِي مِن بَعْدِي اسْمُهُ أَحْمَدُ فَلَمَّا جَاءَهُم بِالْبَيِّنَاتِ قَالُوا هَذَا سِحْرٌ مُّبِينٌ) Any person in any society could get the title of Muhammad through his specified efforts, see the verse 17/79. Also mind , the laws of nature, universal values and this ALKITAB is last and final. But no prophet is last and final. Therefore we reject the inference that, “If we believe that Muhammad (S) is not a last Prophet so its mean Quran is also not a last Book (Last Reminder), and Deen is incomplete”. The creator of universe has completed his deen in the above mentioned two medias, ie LOUHEY MAHFOOZ (the universe) and the ALKITAB see the verses 85/21-22..  
 
And you know ,Deen (System of God) and his (Sunnat) never change).  
Remember the names of different prophets mentioned in Qura'n are their atteributes not proper noun.

Comments by: naeem sheikh On 03 February 2011Report Abuse
Brother Moazzam ! Although it is easy for any rationalist but very hard for rest of Muslim Ummah,to digest your theme described in your post regarding Alkitab / rasool. For the time being, if we consider it right, pleas explain, how the rasool in china / russia, or in Europ / Amarica would get guidance from Qura'n in this era ??

Comments by: moazzam On 03 February 2011
Dear Naeem Sheihk : The Muslim Ummah having Qura'n in their hands are like bani israil infact. If any rasool amongst any other society or among them is providing guidance through "UNIVERSAL VALUSE AND LAWS OF NATURE" (laohay mahfooz) to his nation whether in the form of constitution or in any other shape, provided Alkitab verifies it, then his guidance will be considered from Allah. And we the Quranists must recognize him as a rasoolullah in that nation.

Comments by: bob On 03 February 2011Report Abuse
Thank you brother Moazzam, you amaze me with your wisdom.  
God bless you

Comments by: naeem sheikh On 03 February 2011Report Abuse
Brother Moazzam ! Mind, you might opened a new horizon for the Quranists, but in fact this is a "PINDORA BOX" for Muslim scholars, certainly, you became an open target for Muslim Ummah and surly at hit list of religious extremists.It means Mr. Nelson mendela,Gandhi, Goro nanic, Dr. Qamarzaman and others those are working for human rights posses the same status as the prophets mentioned in Qura'n ????????????

Comments by: Minaal On 03 February 2011Report Abuse
Dear Moazzam,  
 
I am Brother not a Sister.  
 
May you explain me what is a difference between Missionary and Prophets????  
 
Thank you.  
 

Comments by: moazzam On 03 February 2011
Mr Naeem Sheikh ! You asked me, in lieu, i replied my inference after pondering in Qura'n, you are free to except or reject it logically and correct me as well. I don't afraid by the people. Because i have "BURHAN".  
يَا أَيُّهَا الرَّسُولُ بَلِّغْ مَا أُنزِلَ إِلَيْكَ مِن رَّبِّكَ وَإِن لَّمْ تَفْعَلْ فَمَا بَلَّغْتَ رِسَالَتَهُ وَاللّهُ يَعْصِمُكَ مِنَ النَّاسِ إِنَّ اللّهَ لاَ يَهْدِي الْقَوْمَ الْكَافِرِينَ  
 
 
Yousuf Ali O Messenger! proclaim the (message) which hath been sent to thee from thy Lord. If thou didst not, thou wouldst not have fulfilled and proclaimed His mission. And Allah will defend thee from men (who mean mischief). For Allah guideth not those who reject Faith.  
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Comments by: moazzam On 03 February 2011
Sorry brother Minaal ! I explained the prophet hood, you may kindly explain the missionary, to proceed further a head.

Comments by: lucky1402 On 03 February 2011Report Abuse
This is really a mess to digest Mr. Moazzam philosophy about prophets and Rasools, the main thing is that according to Aastana logic everything which was reached to us up to now is finished and most of things are just attributes not REAL…!!!! What the hell is going on, means the Qura’an infect is just a bunch of attributes like someone said the names of INBIYA in Qura’an are just attributes then the total base of faith felt down bcz this universe seems to be leaderless and everybody is free to go his way. No Restrictions, No Boundaries, No fear of judgment day, No fear of accountability, even there is no system of wrong and rights bcz everybody having liberty take Own meanings from qura’an to legitimate his/her every act and people wont liable to follow existing restrictions and boundaries, if I need to do some act which only satisfying my wish, I AM FREE to do that and I would not be afraid for any sort of account… is this the total construction of this platform…..?  
Where are the prophets of other nations and languages and is their also prophet came of exist of expected to come for Communists (Non Believers) if Muhammad is equal to you and me and there is no special place of this Gentleman with Almighty then I don’t hesitate to say that whole building of Islam is totally collapsed, What the Stupid Muslims are doing in the world…? Even since the 1400 years they all are WRONG and nobody could get the actual meanings of BOOK…?? Wonderful, Okay just for a moment I am not a rigid and narrow minded person I use to listen people and do adopt the good and logical things…!! But is there any logic to explain the Unity of all Jews and Christian World against Muslims…? Where philosophy of Aastana brining us, Okay I believe that everything could be driven by BOOK…!!! But what about the execution action of the orders of Qur’an...? Is there any written history showing us the physical actions of Prophet Muhammad in order to implement the Qur’an…? Bcz we are not going to accept any kind of Hadeth..!!! if Qur’an is the Book of Commands then who determined the dynamics of executions..? how Muhammad did act to follow the Orders after revelation of Book of Commands, how bcz every theoretical literature always needs a practical and this is fundamental harmony to teach a common man.  

Comments by: dawood On 04 February 2011Report Abuse
Dear Br. Lucky: Here are my two cents on this. The BOOK provides set of goals that the humanity should strive to achieve. The hows of achieving these goals are for us to decide, and are constrained by the environment in which we live. The term environment includes, among others, the natural physical laws governing the planet earth or the universe, all kinds of social dynamics that propel societies in certain directions, etc. My humble understanding is that when these goals were revealed to the messenger of Allah, he adopted the best possible (optimal) plans/methods/execution strategies to achieve these goals. Thus, the fundamental SUNNAH (if I could use this term) of the messenger would be those optimal plans/methods/execution strategies that could guarantee achieving the revealed goals within a given society. Even if we knew in exact details with 100% certainty what the messenger did to achieve those goals, these would only be for historical purposes, for optimality of those strategies have been overrun by the ever changing evolution.

Comments by: moazzam On 04 February 2011
Dear Dawood ! You are 100% right that "Here are my two cents on this. The BOOK provides set of goals that the humanity should strive to achieve. The hows of achieving these goals are for us to decide, and are constrained by the environment in which we live"

Comments by: moazzam On 04 February 2011
Dear Lucky Raja ! Please find here under the answers to your following queries, logically corrections will highly be appreciated. . !:- Even since the 1400 years they all are WRONG and nobody could get the actual meanings of BOOK…?? No Restrictions, No Boundaries, No fear of judgment day, No fear of accountability, even there is no system of wrong and rights bcz everybody having liberty take Own meanings from qura’an to legitimate his/her every act.  
2:- Someone said the names of INBIYA in Qura’an are just attributes then the total base of faith felt down bcz this universe seems to be leaderless.  
 
3:- Where are the prophets of other nations and languages and is their also prophet came of exist of expected to come for Communists (Non Believers).  
 
4:- The main thing is that according to Aastana logic everything which was reached to us up to now is finished and most of things are just attributes not REAL…!!!! What the hell is going on,  
 
5 :- Is there any written history showing us the physical actions of Prophet Muhammad in order to implement the Qur’an…? Bcz we are not going to accept any kind of Hadeth  
 
Replies.  
1:- Please compare ( logically, rationally, linguistically, grammatically and at the rules of lexicon) the current meanings of Qira’n with the orthodox one (presented since 1400 yeas), while keeping in mind the ‘core message of Qura’n, i.e. to protect the human rights..  
2:- Mind there is no any preplanned event at earth being played by Allah, other wise the concept of reward / punishment will be collapsed, as, if we consider” Muhammad or Ahmad” as a proper noun ,see the verse 61/6 (وَإِذْ قَالَ عِيسَى ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ يَا بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ إِنِّي رَسُولُ اللَّهِ إِلَيْكُم مُّصَدِّقًا لِّمَا بَيْنَ يَدَيَّ مِنَ التَّوْرَاةِ وَمُبَشِّرًا بِرَسُولٍ يَأْتِي مِن بَعْدِي اسْمُهُ أَحْمَدُ فَلَمَّا جَاءَهُم بِالْبَيِّنَاتِ قَالُوا هَذَا سِحْرٌ مُّبِينٌ) .Remember Alkitab is beyond time and space, please don’t confined it in particular era.  
 
The leadership will be continued in their nations as Allah promised us in Qura’n,see the verses 16/36,3/164,2/129,9/128,40/34,28/59,39/71,3/101,20/134,23/32 ,14/4 the universe never ever seems leaderless. The leaders had been called by their prominent attributes, like Yahya, Zakariya,Noha,Musa,Salih,Muhammad so on. On other side Haroot, Maroot, Firaoon,Yajooj, Majooj and so on .Also, the names of the places like Bukka, Masjid Alaqsa, Masr, Madina, Musjid Al Zarrar, Mehrab, Badr, Maqam-Ibrahim Youm-e Hunain.Safa, Marwa,etc.  
 
Yes there is liberty to express his views, even, any body can produce the quranic translation, But should be most befitted, as per above criteria mentioned in paragraph one.  
 
3:- I concern my own society (nation), Try to locate them with their symptoms and attributes mentioned in Quran see the verse 2/129.  
4:-Every one has free will and liberty to keep on with the old dogmas (as since 1400 years) Or to correct his steering if found errors.  
 
5:- No need of any previous history to understand the Qura’n (Alkitab is not bound of any historical record )to express his message in any era.  

Comments by: naeem sheikh On 04 February 2011Report Abuse
Brother Moazzam ! Your all above posts seems logically correct, but still indigestible to me, how would you convince the traditional Muslims those never care about logics and rationalism in their faith (belief).

Comments by: moazzam On 04 February 2011
Dear Naeem ,Lucky Raja ! Please read again the AIM OF AASTANA BLOG and rethink while joining the forum "The fundamental goal is to explore and discover the original logic, reason, rationality and wisdom of Quranic constitution that can be intellectually and empirically established in this scientifically advanced world. And to set it free from myth, miracles, fantasies, superstitions, dogmas and rituals"

Comments by: Minaal On 04 February 2011Report Abuse
Dear Moazzam,  
 
Missionaries mean Followers of Prophet, like Sahabaz (Companion of Prophet).  
 
But I am disagree with your comments that (But no prophet is last and final).  
 
Before passing any comments about the Prophets, you should understand that “What is a definition of Prophet”.  
 
Thank you  

Comments by: moazzam On 04 February 2011
Brother Minaal ! I know the prophet by his attributes (performer of duties mentioned in verse2/129).as for as your disagreement with the last prophet is concerns please read the verses of Qura'n given under, to justify my stance.16/36,3/164,2/129,9/128,40/34,28/59,39/71,3/101,20/134,23/32 ,14/4.Plz don't be sentimental at this very important matter as mullahs mad it a sensitive issue. The Qura'n should not be denied to keep your old faith alive,which is entirely based on RIWAYAAT AND THE MIS INTERPRETATION OF VERSE (مَا كَانَ مُحَمَّدٌ أَبَا أَحَدٍ مِنْ رِجَالِكُمْ وَلَكِنْ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ وَخَاتَمَ النَّبِيِّينَ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عَلِيمً.

Comments by: lucky1402 On 05 February 2011Report Abuse
In the near or far past there have been many attacks on Muslim’s beliefs, the people or persons whoever worked on this theory, had been acted within defined parameters of Islam,  
What Aastana.com did, they came with a unique technique that if someone needs to destroy the Muslims fundamental belief and faith, must attack on the articles of common and unanimous unity, which is keeping Muslims brotherhood bound from edge to edge, it’s a good technique I really appreciate bcz every person of this universe believe in liberty the unlimited liberty, where would be no fear of any kind of question and accounts, most of the Muslims do not perform the existing Rituals and its true that they want to runaway but the concept & fear of accountability and attendance in house of GOD was always keeping them maximum within limits,  
But when Aastana.com concept attained, the Muslims like me felt really really good and refreshing freedom, bcz now there is NO limit to enjoy the life since the fundamental rituals were just BULLSHIT so far and Muslims were wasting their time and energy to perform them…!!! It’s wonderful now and I am free to enjoy either way…!!!! Bcz a new concept and dynamics of Qur’an came to me through Aastana.com that Qur’an does not have any concern with my personal like but its only a Book to determine the Economic values of the Humanity…!!! That’s great and Muslims like me would be happy to agree with this theory….bcz people like me were looking toward this kind of theses and research to runaway from rituals now we feel happy bcz nothing to do in whole day now and we are only liable to Eat, Sleep and Work (which is concern to our revenue needs) I am happy to say that before reading Aastana Logic I was living under unknown fear of GOD bcz there was always a (Namaz) 5 times a day and I was stopping myself from many joyful aspects of the life just in scare of attendance to GOD in Masjid but now NO, I have liberty to live my way, I can earn the money through either source, I can join any kind of friends & girl friends with any kind of social relations, I can set my own values of life bcz Qur’an infect does not set any value of life and its totally depending on life style of Society where I live….!!!!!  
Dr. Qamar is a true and good scholar as he has proved that every person regardless his/her beliefs is a Muslim since he/she is carrying the PEACE and for this concept I idealize the western world, they are a complete reflection of PEACE and humanity, that have established a concept of Welfare State and Freedom of life have been essential in their system now,  
I don’t care western world unity against so-called Muslims bcz I think the western world is actual and real Muslim not the Muslims by name like us.  
For example America, Israel & EU, the great preachers of Peace and Human rights, I love them so much, it doesn’t matter what are they doing in other countries…!!! No problem if only million of Muslims have been killed like insects bcz I do not give any importance to such assassinations, this is western world’s right & duty to do it so the PEACH would be maintained in world,  
As far as social life of so-called Muslims is concerned the western concept of social life is also dominating it overall, social system of west is far most better than Muslims and I like it too much, infect I would need to be an English or European…!!! No matter if girls under age of even 14 being mothers there bcz this is their fundamental liberty given by Qur’an according to Dr. Qamar translation and I am agree with it,  
I am not a scholar to think more but I am a common person who is looking toward an unlimited freedom of life which I obtained by aastana.com, Long live Aastana I love it too much and appreciate their efforts to turn the so-called muslims toward really muslims like American, English, Jews, Hindus and Europeans,  
Sorry if I described them individually infect the entities mentioned above are the REAL MUSLIMS whereas so-called muslims have been divided in so many entities, I will appeal other so-called muslims to join Aastana if they want to enjoy the real liberty of life and want to come out from Mullas Deen and Rituals like Namaz, Roza, etc… Great Job Aastana.com  

Comments by: momin On 05 February 2011Report Abuse
Dear Moazzem,  
 
Whether someone agrees with you or not is not important. You are right or wrong, doesn't  
matter. What is important to me is your courage to stand by your convictions and understanding which was  
always a virtue of great human beings like prophets, scientists,philosophers and so on. I pray for your  
health and happiness.

Comments by: lucky1402 On 05 February 2011Report Abuse
So Mr. Momin like to say that Mr. Moazzam would be a possible prophet, you are right in your logic and I am also agree with you and Mr. Moazzam or whosoever taking stand on his/her stance could be a prophet...!!!, but I am wondering that why the sex of Prophetic even in Qur'an always refering to MALES why not so far a FEMALE could become a prophet or Rasool? is there any discrimination from GOD, and also if the conviction on any stance is the key to be appropriate a Prophet then I will dare to declare Toney Blare, Bush, Shah Abdullah and Musharraf as Prophets of current society, yes bcz they are also to much true to their view points.

Comments by: UmeAimon On 05 February 2011Report Abuse
Salam,  
 
Brother Naeem and others. The concept of Rasool AS MENTIONED in Quran is very simple and is simply what it means -".a messenger" like Dr. Qamar also explained and its not difficult to grasp either. It's the way it has been used that simply shows us for which purpose it was used. AND it has nothing to do with THE LAST Prophet!!!  
The concept muslim need to uphold is the is not of he last prophet but THE LAST HADAYAT!!  
As this is what is going to stay with the human beings as long as they are humans.  
 
Aur bro Raja, aap ne to sochna hi chhor dia hua hai is liyay jab main aap se sawal krti hoon us ka jawab nahi detay!  
 
Like I say you need to open your mind a bit and start thinking independently / out of the box, which I know is hard to do, yet if you keep on trying will get used to it. Still if you think doing anything you want to do without fearing that there will be CONSEQUENCES for your actions and that if there were no rituals there is nothing in this message, then brother all I can say is that you need to read and understand A LOT!!  
 
So once again now please ask yourself why were we told and are forced on believing that Mohammad SW was the last Prophet of Islam? Think of the best reason or reasons.  
 
Now if you know the answer to this question please reply so then I can tell you how your own answer will lead you to accept this truth about what Dr. Qamar and many others wrote.  
 
jazakAllah  
 
UmeAimon  

Comments by: Junaid On 05 February 2011Report Abuse
Salaam;  
 
**(must attack on the articles of common and unanimous unity, which is keeping Muslims brotherhood bound from edge to edge) by Lucky 420  
 
My dear friend Lucky 420, what unity are you talking about? Talk about unlimited sects following different persons and always declaring each other as "Kafir". Can't you see the hatred among Iranis and Saudis? can't you see hatred among Afghans? Can't you see the hatred among Suuni, Shia, Wahabi, Deobandi, Ahl e Sunnat, etc.? What unity are you talking about? You guys are nothing but different herds of sheep being ruled by dictators and monarchs since last 1400 years (after the end of Caliphate). Where is freedom and where is unity?  
 
**(the Muslims like me felt really really good and refreshing freedom, bcz now there is NO limit to enjoy the life since the fundamental rituals were just BULLSHIT) by Lucky 420  
 
Yes they are. In fact the real purpose of Quran and Islam is to bring peace, prosperity, and harmony among mankind. Unfortunately you guys are least worried about these words and everyone is selfishly trying to steal one another's rights. Look at your lives and tell me what you guys have achieved so far? Nothing except tyranny, oppression and subjugation. Look at your leaders and see how they are trying to please Western nations.  
 
**(I was living under unknown fear of GOD bcz there was always a (Namaz) 5 times a day) by Lucky 420  
 
Show me where it is mentioned in Quran that you have to pray 5 times a day. Also tell me where is the method? Do you think Allah forgot to mention something which is so important? You guys are following different Imams and your prayers (so called Namaz) is different too. Everyone has his own way of Namaz and you all proudly follow the Zoroastrian traditions.  
 
**(No problem if only million of Muslims have been killed like insects bcz I do not give any importance to such assassinations, this is western world’s right & duty to do it so the PEACH would be maintained in world, ) by Lucky 420  
 
What about Iran Iraq war? How many Muslims were killed? What about those Muslims who were ruthlessly murdered by Saddam Hussain? What about those who were killed in Afghanistan by Northern Alliance and Taliban before 9-11? What about those Muslims who were killed on the name of Sects? And how many Muslims were killed by Abbasids and Umayyads? Count them and you'll see that their numbers are much greater as compared to those who were killed by US or Israel. And who are you to say anything about those killings?  
Have you ever thought about why these so called Muslims are in such a miserable state since centuries?  
Your leaders are still happy with those nations and you all are enjoying every facility of life provided by West. All the leaders of so called Muslim countries are subservient to these Western countries. These Monarchs are ruling you all since centuries and serving their masters to please them and stay in power.  
 
** (So Mr. Momin like to say that Mr. Moazzam would be a possible prophet,) by Lucky 420  
 
You guys are following so many prophets like Bukhari, Abu Hanifa, Muslim, Tabari, Shaafi and Maaliki etc. Can't you see that? Look at those sects and the different rules of each religion. You people have divided Islam into so many different religions that I cannot even count them today. Each sect following it's own leader and each leader is like a prophet for his followers.  
 
**( I can join any kind of friends & girl friends with any kind of social relations,) by Lucky 420  
 
Dear 420 or whoever you are, I think you should follow what your prophet Bukhari or prophet Modudi says. Thats much more fun I guess. According to your Imams, you don't need Girl friends coz you can have concubines and you can marry as many girls as you want. In fact you don't even need to marry a girl since you have a ready made option of doing MUTAA (I would call it a one night stand).  
 
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Come up with something you guys have done for mankind with your myths, dogmas and rituals. You people are far behind as compared to West in terms of technology and development. Why so?  
You always feel proud to criticize Western nations, yet you are using every facility of life which is the result of their efforts. Where is your share?  
To tell you the truth, you all are nothing but followers of personalities and a bunch of cry babies!!!  
 
My suggestion for you is to go and take BAIT on hands of a mullah and start drinking Camel Urine mixed with Milk. That is a good treatment for you according to your prophet Bukhari.  

Comments by: momin On 05 February 2011Report Abuse
Dear Lucky,  
 
See again what I wrote,  
 
"What is important to me is your courage to stand by your convictions and understanding which was  
always a virtue of great human beings like prophets, scientists,philosophers and so on. I pray for your  
health and happiness."  
 
If I praise like this,  
 
You are just which is a virtue of ALLAH therefore I respect you. Does this mean you are ALLAH?  
You have to follow and inculcate ALLAH's attributes in your personality.  
 
What is the practicle application of "SIBGHOOTULLAH"?  
 
Why don't you think ? Please think on what brother junaid has written for you. Please take it positively. I  
request you as a fellow human being. If you are here, please learn and be a beneficiary.  
 
GALLA TU GHOONT DIA AHLAI-I-MADRASSA NAI TAIRA.  
 
KANHAN SAI AIAY SADA LAILAHAILLLILAH.  
 
How Mullah's produce disabled and incorrigible personalities.

Comments by: Nargis2 On 05 February 2011Report Abuse
Lucky , are you hurt because your belief and everything you valued in all your life, is pointed out as an illusion by other people?  
 
Are you angry because you were holding on to the belief of a Creator who ordered deeds and actions any humanbeing could figure out by itself, while others saw the Quran as it is dealing with a way of life, giving orders,commands and information which is not so obvious to humanity ?  
 
Are you annoyed by the fact that other people dont see what you see in the Quran through your mullahimams, while we see the reality in the Quran through the grammar and logic it use with our own brain?  
 
Are you sad because we try use our own brain and think for ourself, while rest of the so called muslim ummah is using their leaders brain?  
 
Im dying to know whats bothering you?  
 

Comments by: lucky1402 On 06 February 2011Report Abuse
I would like to say something to Junaid 1st, when I saw the 1st line of this comments I thought its just a type as he wrote Lucky 420 but in rest of the text, it was his internal grime which came up in blog list but I didn’t feel terrible bcz if my text have been helpful to vomit the poison damaging his brain since long time, then I am glad at least I did serve a pale person, no problem for me Mr. Junaid, you may abuse as much as you can bcz this might show the real face of you people, you are not hurting me bcz you can not advocate your views but only mix-up bullshits,  
I am a liberal Muslim and do not believe in many rituals appended in Islam, you are talking about many Imams like Bukhari etc… whom I also don’t recognize bcz I strongly believe in natural guidance, but as far as your way of advocacy is concerned…! You are great to express your bloody thoughts and philosophy, I will simply suggest you to mix some whisky & shit of anybody you like and take 2 table spoon 3 times a day, this will really open your dirty brain which is full of husk,  
I respect Dr. Qamar and his philosophy but I never thought that people also growing up like you after taking the message of new Era, I think soon you will simply screw-up his efforts,  
Good job keep it up and keep barking in blog list, I like the way you woof….!!!!!!  

Comments by: lucky1402 On 06 February 2011Report Abuse
Sister UmmeAimon, I didn’t leave thinking, I am a person in my nature who is always thinking a lot about nature and creation of universe, infect aside from the debate of Rasools, Prophets and Hadeth etc… whe should come up with some common questions and views, as Junaid did try to make a healthy debate controversial I wont need to drag it in this forum, this is not a matter to believe the prophet of last prophet or 2nd last prophet, this thing is that I am searching answers of few question arising since I started thinking about the nature and from that time I didn’t get the system and creation of this world, to many WHYS are always standing in my mind when I see the several contradiction and speculation,  
1. Why GOD felt need to make this world  
2. Why punishment or reward at the end against my Good or Bad while I didn’t come with own wish?  
3. Why most of the known prophets belonging to Arab territories or roundabouts while there were other civilizations existing since thousands of years?  
4. What is my END, where will I go, what will happen to me after demise?  
5. Is there any applet body for a poor person when he is handy by all means?  
6. When a poor/week girl is being rapped or exploited by powerful people… where is her creator?  
7. Qur’an is the book giving lesson of equation and brotherhood….fine…why Allah didn’t divide the prosperity equally in human beings?  
8. What is matter of a person who is dying due to poverty and making suicide?  
So many questions are pending….will drive later  

Comments by: lucky1402 On 06 February 2011Report Abuse
Dear Nargis, I am never annoyed or being hurt by other people yes sometimes when illogical things are coming I used to be disturb but it doesn’t mean that I will stop thinking or talking, I respect others point of views and at this forum we cant impose our philosophy to others but can share our questions or terminologies, infect I am not rigid to my knowledge which inhaled bcz of birth in Muslim family, I have always been criticized by my family, friends and religious person due to different approach and thoughts after my childhood, despite of respected Junaid’s rubbish, lets share my views on west and existing Islam,  
My question was not to defend the existing Islamic rituals or laws or practices, yes I am always a challenger of many things belonging to Islam but my question is that the thing which united the whole west of only 1 “against Islam” yes who don’t know that how west fighting with each other since centuries but finally when they determined one and common enemy they put all differences beyond and became cohesive only one 1 point agenda, “Crash the Muslims”  
Then new face of Qur’an logic through innovated translation against orthodox came, where is no uniform identity of a Muslim, I am simply puzzled, why should I remain a Muslim when there is no concept of judgment day and there is no defined rule of social life in Qur’an, is there any problem for me if I will take BAPTISMAH to become a Christian bcz Qur’an doesn’t have any concern whether I am a disbeliever of Muhammad or even CREATOR of the universe, why should I rumble my life and personality being a bullshit Muslim its much better to change my title so the life will become easier for me.  
You know the environment in which we grow up has been too much fearer by religious point of views, like don’t do this, don’t do that, but I was always looking for my social liberty with moral legitimacy so I wont feel guilty when I need to adopt life my way, here starts a little conflict bcz there is no certifying authority since I don’t see any new prophet amongst us, Qur’an directly came to Arabs and in their native language means so easy to understand but when Arabs couldn’t get the actual theme and message of the Qur’an why we “non Arabs” are running behind Qur’an?, what Qur’an will give to us when it couldn’t give fruition to Arabs..! You can see that majority of nondemocratic regime is ruling in Islamic countries, but they are followers of Qur’an and most of them are Arabs…! Is this extract of Qur’an since 1400 years? If Humanity couldn’t get principles of life from Qur’an since 1400 years, why new brains are still rumbling in Quranic verses and trying to reshape the world, whereas we can see the non-Qur’anic world like west is at peak of their progress and result of their exercise aside from Qur’an, I think this is enough for Muslims now and it’s the time to keep Qur’an at side and sit together to setup their own values of life so the lives of their stupid citizens could also become smooth before death,  
The logic to killing of Muslims by Muslims given by respected Junaid, is childish, this will never justify the western/eastern action, a killing is always killing by either party, who likes Muslims rulers which are killing people? Is there any sensible human in world who will like it? Nobody  
I admire west development and contribution to serve the humanity in too many fields where Muslims contribution is not even zero but negative, But is it all free of cost…? No Sir, west is obtaining full even multiple cost of each and every service, I don’t feel any conflict bcz it is their right to take the cost..! but sorry to say not as the license of mass killing. If Junaid felt in blind love of west he may drink their Urine without even mixing the milk…!!!!! But I have sense to weigh the people on base of equality.  

Comments by: Mubashir Syed On 06 February 2011Report Abuse
Dear Lucky, I think your post was misunderstood by Brother Junaid (correct me if am wrong here)  
 
There are two ways to supersede a person/group. One is to pull him down and other being to enhance ourselves beyond that person/group. Being a peace provider I think we understand which is better way….don’t we?  
 
Liberty and freedom comes within a security. For example a person who cant swim can feel free in a swimming pool by wearing a swim tube (tight security which might take his little freedom of movement).There might be more than one reason why traditional muslims do not perform existing rituals and runaway, mayb negligence, or no visible result, or they don’t care coz ultimately they know ALLAH will forgive them.  
 
Understanding real meaning of SALATH makes us more responsible and more energy is required than offering namaz. I think offering 5 times namaz was freedom than working to establish salath in real sense. Yes its our right to enjoy life……..what is enjoyment? I think we need to understand what we actually mean by enjoyment. GOOD Parents enjoy when they exhaust all of their energy to raise their children….what say?  
 
Fear : Yes still we need to fear the visible law of requital, cause and effect which ultimately will get back to us. I fear when a child beg/die for food and a women ending up in prostitution for survival in current system coz anyone can fall in this situation. If just taking responsibility of our own family is the ONLY goal then I think most middle, upper middle and rich are doing well enough, but is that it ??? Don’t we have responsibility to get everyone outta this situation??  
 
 
Note : With traditional understanding a person feels what ever he does ALLAH will forgive him. But after understanding fact now we know what ever a person do it will effect for sure…..law of requital. Effect might not be directly to the person or his immediate family but it would surely to someone…….DO WE NEED TO CARE FOR THAT SOMEONE WHO MIGHT GET EFFECTED???  
 
With no intension to offend or defend, Just 2 cents with my meager understanding not sure if makes sense.  
 
Thanks,  
Mubashir Syed.

Comments by: momin On 06 February 2011Report Abuse
Dear Lucky,  
 
I did think that you are not an orthodox Mullah , but after reading your post, I am now well aware  
of storm of thoughts , which must be there in a thinking mind. You are amongst thinkers. Please  
allow me to say that brother Junaid is also not poles a part from you. Understand his pain too, which  
he expressed while assuming to think that you represent those who are responsible for deplorable  
condition of Muslims. When you realize that your feelings of personal vengeance will disappear and  
feelings of friendship will appear. Your questions are logical. Throw more questions.

Comments by: lucky1402 On 06 February 2011Report Abuse
Dear Mubashir Syed, I am quite agree with your post, that’s right and Salath would be performed in real meanings, I was always in deepest thought that how a command would be finished within few minutes, yes it would be taken as a continue due process of obligations and executions, you are very right respected Junaid didn’t even pass through my post but he burst for nothing, anyway I don’t deem him important at this forum,  
Brother Momin, I am absolutely not an orthodox, here I don’t want to certify me but I know myself in my thoughts, infect if you give me little space to say I hate Muslims, you may be little shoked but its true that I never been happy to Muslims and I am amongst those Muslims who really hate them and for this point I have several reasons, as far as madressah, I never went to that hell, seems like torture cells,  

Comments by: Junaid On 06 February 2011Report Abuse
Salaam;  
 
** (What Aastana.com did, they came with a unique technique that if someone needs to destroy the Muslims fundamental belief and faith, must attack on the articles of common and unanimous unity, which is keeping Muslims brotherhood bound from edge to edge,) by Lucky 420  
 
Dear Lucky, you have accused aastana of using techniques to destroy Muslim faith and unity. My post was simply a reply to your direct accusation. You are talking about a healthy discussion but accusing members of asstana for conspiracy. What kind of healthy debate is this?  
On the contrary, members of aastana are just trying to redefine the true concepts of Deen which were lost centuries ago and it has got nothing to do with any sort of conspiracy.  
And now you are trying to change the topic in an attempt to gain sympathies from all around. This is the reason why I am still using Lucky 420 to quote you.  
 
Perhaps Brother Mubashir, brother Momin and others missed this sentence in your post but I can clearly see the real person who is accusing aastana for a conspiracy and on the other hand, talking about healthy debate at the same time. You clearly deserve the title Lucky 420.  
 
**(So Mr. Momin like to say that Mr. Moazzam would be a possible prophet,) by Lucky 420  
 
You are openly trying to make fun of brother Momin and brother Moazzam's thought and analysis. You can always disagree but you cannot get personal in your debate, which you did actually. ( A typical mullah stance)  
 
**(I don’t deem him important at this forum, ) by Lucky 420  
 
Even I don't consider myself important at all. However, I do know one thing that I am an honest person who says what he thinks and who does what he believe. I am not a hypocrite like you.

Comments by: lucky1402 On 06 February 2011Report Abuse
So are you trying to suppress or convince me with your woofing bullshit Mr. Dumb….?  
Are you trying to say that you belong to terrorist wing of Aastana and you may convince people with your rubbish logics…? I am only attached to this forum due to Dr. Qamar and nothing else is there to convince or impress me, if you will keep barking on people coming with questions, you will possibly screw up this think tank soon, the so called supporters like you in the world, have ever been the actual enemy of any cause or person, I don’t know where did you grow up but your litter talk showing your background, this forum is to discourage the personalities follow and what the hell are you talking? Are you not making this forum holy personalities club? Do you like that some people of Aastana would become holy persons and never be discussed like other orthodox say amongst bloody Muslims,  
And what do you mean by taking sympathies? Are you crazy or what? I have my own view point and so I am sharing with others, what is your pain? If still teasing something inside to you..!!! better you take some psycho treatment from Aurangzeb sb. or from Dr. Qamar  
Yes I own my question that Aastana is attacking on fundamentals of existing Islam but this would be replied with logic and sense, if you do not have brain to reply a person then read my reply below for this type of question(s),  
Answer:- Yes Aastana is attacking on fundamentals of existing Islam bcz a wrong building would always be demolished until foundation so the new and correct structure would get place, do you think Mr. Dumb there is any possibility to construct a new building without demolishing old or obsolete one…!?  

Comments by: Mubashir Syed On 06 February 2011Report Abuse
Dear Junaid, i humbly disagree with you when you said i over looked Bro Lucky's post, thats not the case. Every individual has different style of representation...don't they? I would have misunderstood Bro lucky's post if i would have read only his above post. But as i knew him from all his post i think i was able to understand what he was trying to convey ( Bro Lcuky correct me if am wrong here ).  
 
I think the responsibility which we got is over all I's, We's, Hatred, Negetive emotions, Winning, Losing etc etc... We need to have more bandwidth. Am sure what i was trying to say is nothing beyond what all participants know before hand.  
 
With no intension to offend or defend....  
 
Thanks,  
Mubashir Syed.

Comments by: Junaid On 06 February 2011Report Abuse
**(So are you trying to suppress or convince me with your woofing bullshit Mr. Dumb….? ) by Lucky 420  
 
Every reader can see who s woofing.  
 
**(What Aastana.com did, they came with a unique technique that if someone needs to destroy the Muslims fundamental belief and faith, must attack on the articles of common and unanimous unity, which is keeping Muslims brotherhood bound from edge to edge) by Lucky 420  
 
** (Yes I own my question that Aastana is attacking on fundamentals of existing Islam but this would be replied with logic and sense, if you do not have brain to reply a person then read my reply below for this type of question) by Lucky 420  
 
You have tried to change the topic very cleverly after accusing members of aastana for conspiracy and I can see that. Anyone reading your post will understand that this is nothing but a direct accusation.  
Your problem is that you wan't everyone's attention and thats why you came up with so many questions already asked numerous times and didn't even bothered to look at the earlier discussions.  
Then all of a sudden you started blaming aastana for conspiring and attacking Muslim faith and unity. You are simply nothing but a problem child who is always looking for extra attention somehow or other.  
Let me repeat my statement that you are nothing but a hypocrite. Your stiff mind cannot be changed with any logic or any argument I am sure.  
 
All the members of aastana know that I have never ever misbehaved on this forum. Your hypocrisy forced me to do it though.  
 
Dear brother Mubashir, I completely understand and respect your stance on this issue. Just to let you know that I am not as kindhearted and cool minded as you are. I usually lose my control when someone comes in and start accusing others for something which they never intended to do.

Comments by: Mubashir Syed On 06 February 2011Report Abuse
Dear Junaid and Lucky, we all have got attributes of loosing control, kind heart and cool mind. Its very Human to have all attributes. But keeping vision of final result which could be achieved by taking any path/route might help us. Anywayz any path/route we might take wont make much difference either ways to penaltimate GAOL. So keep smiling, enhancing.  
 
Dear AlAhmer, would you please like to give a shot and try comment on Bro Lucky concerns?  
 
1. No hell fire but yet why we need to be Good. Why ?  
2. Can i live life my own way ?  
3. What should be our attitude towards Traditional brothers?  
 
Thanks,  
Mubashir Syed.

Comments by: lucky1402 On 07 February 2011Report Abuse
Junaid, I was at Aastana to enhance my knowledge and to enlighten my ideology but you are now my target there, since you tried to be a DON at this open forum and I wont leave you “Drunk Ox” I use to change topics every time bcz my nature in not to be stick around one point but now I will particularly discuss it only, tell me that….  
Have you been in communication with GOD to take the validity of Aastana research?  
Will you refuse the NABOVAT Claim of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed? What reason if yes/no  
Will you refuse the NABOVAT Claim of Mohammad Yousuf? What reason if yes/no  
If Prophets didn’t End at Muhammad (SAW) who the new prophet is nowadays,?  
Do you have sufficient knowledge of Arabic grammar? Are you translating Qur’an by your own?  
What is your Salath/So’em/Hajj – nowadays?  
Why your Qur’an and almost prophets belong to Arabic culture and language?  
Don’t you think Islam might be a man made Deen to counter the Christianity, Hinduism or Zionism? Existing on this earth since thousands of years..!!!!  
What your Qura’n says about KISHAN, BUDHA and AHRAMZ?  
Who was MUSEELMAH in Qur’an?  
If he did contradict with prophet Muhammad (SAW) was it not his democratic right to have opp. Opinion?  
What is your own research about denial to Ahadeth? Or the Aastana research is sufficient for rest of the time to believe for all aspects,?  
If Qur’an is that much revolutionary book, what revolution did it bring so far in human lives?  
If the existing rituals are a makeup of Iranian Shiat regime or Zoroatrians, what about those companions of prophet who met HIM and then been spread out or reached back to their native territories like Africa, Far East, or Greek societies? How did they preach education of divine book? Do you have any research on it? Have they also been affected by Iranian Shiat fabrication?  
How was the Baghdad Library burnt out by Halaku? Do you have research about that treasure of books?  
The way you been ruptured calling my questions (Accusation on your favorites) what you think about those orthodox who are or were following their spiritual leaders since their birth…!!! Is Aastana research not accusing them lime pimps of the ages and decades? Are the people likeminded not biggest hypocrites on this topic?  
Are you people not promoting a new kind of orthodoxy and hypocrisy in the name of innovated research?  
When Qur’an doesn’t have any concern mankind having either believe but GOD does have preserve reward against his good work only (not according to beliefs) either people are believers of one GOD or several Idols or even Marxist, then what is your PAIN toward orthodox Muslims? What happen if they are doing rituals why you want them to be changed? Whereas Aastana research doesn’t have concern with beliefs..!!!  
Is Aastana also doing research about other divine books and educating community of other religions to learn about their Actual DEEN instead of existing Christianity, Hindu, Jews and Buddhists etc…?  
If your answer is that other books have been rescinded, who will lead them now..? Qur’an…? Which is declared the main enemy of non Muslims?  
Does Aastana has any research about GEETA and RAMINE? Do you know the age of these books? Why don’t we take guidance from the oldest books remain in this world, why Qur’an only 1400 years….!  

Comments by: moazzam On 07 February 2011
 
Dear Participants (16/125)! Please take care of your title number while making brother Lcky (11/120) satisfied. Mr. Junaid , replace title Lucky420 to Lucky120  
 

Comments by: naeem sheikh On 07 February 2011Report Abuse
Dear Lucky: I had been experienced the same state of mind as yours. Brother, although I have many doubts (just doubts) for Moazzam’s inference regarding rasool and Alkitab, but his quotations from qura’n possess weight (can’t be denied). I my self, gone through all his quoted references and found correct. Mind I did not find any reference from counter part in all your posts rather apprehensions to protect the dogmas and rituals. My dear brother lucky, let the discussion confined at the topic to make it healthier, as initiated by your self as below.  
 
“if we believe to disobey to Hadeth making reason of a silent period of around 150 years after RasoolULLAH then how did afterward Muslims and people ddi recognize the prophet Muhammad as a last prophet.” (by lucky)  
 

Comments by: Junaid On 07 February 2011Report Abuse
Dear Lucky 1402 (I hope I have used the right number this time) :D  
 
I think I can understand the curiosity behind your questions and I can see the frustration in your mind. Trust me mate, I have gone through the same kind of mental fatigue when I saw a totally different world, A real world based on truth and not myths and dogmas.  
Yes we have been misguided through ages but this doesn't mean we start blaming people who are trying to explore the truth. Frankly speaking, I don't believe in personalities at all. In fact I am in search of truth just like you or any other individual and I am moving from one forum to other, one site to other and one translation to another.  
 
To tell you the truth, I was shocked to see a forged history, a divided Deen and human interventions in form of religious beliefs. I was never satisfied with my ancestor's faith and to be honest, I am still not satisfied with a lot of modern approaches either. The problem is that we cannot verify any claims of authenticity by anyone in terms of Quran or any other book. Since history has been distorted, we cannot prove exactly how prophets lived and how the system during those times worked. Perhaps it is my ever growing frustration which comes out in form of aggression when I see these questions again and again. (I know I am wrong and I am trying hard to improve myself.)  
 
Anyway, let me share what I have learned so far;  
 
Since I cannot go to past and I cannot retrieve history, I will have to rely on trust or faith. I know its hard to prove anything but I do believe that the message which has been delivered to mankind is for our benefit and we have been instructed to follow a path that ultimately leads us to peace, harmony and prosperity.  
Look at other species, look at animals and birds, they are following a pattern of life based on their phenotypes, their basic instincts. This is clear evidence that law of nature cannot go against our basic instincts and there is no chance of compulsion or contradiction to natural phenomena.  
What I have realized so far is that anything which goes against common sense is unacceptable and I should believe or follow whatever that makes sense to me. This system is all about welfare of mankind while peace, harmony, growth, development and ultimate freedom are the basic factors, therefore should be our primary objectives. I don't know why we are so reluctant to have faith on human welfare and why we are still bound to believe what others have told us. Can't you see so much injustice, insecurity, oppression, suppression and tyranny throughout the world? At least I can see that brother and my point is that the messages delivered to us (whether directly by creator) or whether through a human mind, are clear instructions regarding how to get ourselves out of this situation.  
There always has been a will to dominate and to subjugate others as a part of human nature and we have been asked to overcome such thoughts. The main objective is to help others and benefit mankind.  
Look at those Jesuit, Zionist and Roman catholic bankers who are directly controlling our economies using economic policies based on usury and fiat money. They are directly / indirectly controlling our minds and interfering our lives. This is just one example while mankind has always been enslaved and subjugated by one group or other throughout the history, whether in form of Pharaoh or whether monarchs like Umayyad and Abbasids. Take the example of priests, rabbis and mullahs (sponsored by monarchy) who control hearts and minds of a common man whether he is a Christian, Jew, Muslim or Hindu. These innocent common people are subjugated to an extent that they cant even think beyond what they are told to follow in the name of religion. These people are completely dominated, enslaved and subjugated, their lives are nothing but a living hell. Don't you think we need to get out of this state of confusion and unnecessary complexities?  
The only way we can do that is by saying no to that system and by following the positive guidance which is available in any form and anywhere. We need to educate others and tell them whats wrong and whats right. We need to liberate ourselves as well as others from a state of darkness.  
 
I do believe that there is a creator and the sustainer and everything is running according to laws of nature which are unchangeable. I don't believe in miracles, myths, dogmas and rituals, rather I believe in struggle and results. I don't believe in religion, rather i believe in AL-Deen (the system of life) which emphasizes on one thing and that is human welfare. Help each other, support each other and co-exist. Do not suppress, do not transgress and do not try to subjugate other human being. Complete freedom for mankind where no one is responsible for other's deeds and everyone will get what he is striving for. (Mission and strife)  
I think there is no rocket science in all this but its us who have made things so difficult for ourselves and it's our ancestors who created so many useless rules and regulations just to make their lives difficult.  
I am least interested to know who did what and I don't care who is doing what. I have just one goal in my mind and that is human welfare in terms of social, economical and political reforms.  
Man is imperfect, therefore he cannot create perfection. There is no concept of utopia. Mankind is divided into societies and ranks. I do believe that we have different abilities and different potentials. One should get the return according to his potentials and not by stealing fruits of other's efforts. Earn and share, do good to yourself and help others by providing them comfort.  
I can see these elements in Quran and I am using them to strengthen my knowledge and teach others (by all possible means). I don't know what will happen to me after I die, and no one can exactly tell me about it. I would like to join hands with all those who think the way I do and I will keep on struggling throughout my life for peace, welfare, freedom, justice and equality.  
My only suggestion for you is to forget what others say, think using your own mind and decide what is good for you. Follow no one but yourself and try to provide comfort to others. This is the only purpose of our life and this is the only way we can evolve further.  
Do what is good for yourself and that benefits others. Provide comforts to others and help them grow. Forget about what will happen after death (no one knows that). Forget the past and think about future.  
(I hope this suggestion is better than the one I gave you in my previous post :P)  
 

Comments by: Minaal On 07 February 2011Report Abuse
My Innocent and true Friend Moazzam and my Aastana Friends,  
 
Every Prophet by birth is a Messenger, and after Divine Revelation (through Gabriel “Life Creation Wave”) they made Prophet (Prophet mean Divinatory).  
 
And without Wahi/Divine Revelation, any Messenger cannot make a Prophet/Messenger of God.  
 
The word Seal is used in Quran firstly in Surah-e-Baqarah, Verse No. 7:  
 
Allah has Sealed/blocked their hearts and their ears, and their eyes, there is a dark covering, and for them is great torment.  
 
See you then, he who has made his desire to be his God and Allah led him astray despite his knowledge and Sealed/Blocked his ears and his heart and laid a covering on his eyes. Who would guide him after Allah. Do you not then heed?  
Surah-e-Jasiya, Verse No.23  
 
Say you, 'look you, if Allah should take away your ears and eyes and Seal up your hearts, then who is the god other than Allah Who could bring these things back to you? See how in different manners We explain the signs, but they turn away their faces.  
Surah-e-An’am, Verse No.46  
 
Surah-e-Ehzab, Verse No.40:  
 
Mohammed is not the father of any of your men; yes He is the Messenger of Allah and the last one among all the prophets or Seal on the Prophets. And Allah knows all things.  
 
But in this Verse situation is change, in this Verse God called as Seal his Prophet Muhammad (S), you know why????  
 
I tell you my Dear.  
 
As you know Quran is a Complete System of God by way of written statement. According to (Last Reminder) Quran only and only 25 Prophets have passed in this world and only 25 Divine Revelation Books are revealed, 24 in “Children of Israil” and only One in “Children of Ismael”.  
 
Note: The Rivayat of 1,24,000/= Prophets, is wrong and self created.  
 
Your know Friend, Quran is not a Sahifa, this is Sohufan (mean combination of divine revelation books).  
 
Therefore, our Prophet Muhammad (S) ‘by way of Quran’ is a Seal of Prophets.  
 
After the Quran no any Ilhami Book will be descended nor any Prophet/Messenger of God will be come.  
According to Allama Ghulam Ahmed Pervaiz Sahab, the great teacher of Dr. Qamar Zaman Sahab (We have no need of any Prophet/Messenger of God, after Hon’ble Muhammad (S), because we have a Quran in his compete and authentic condition).  
 
And I agree with Great Allama Pervaiz Sahab, in this regard.  
 
Now you have easily understood.  
 
Remember every human name is based on attributes, like your good name.  
 
Regards,  
 
 
Yours Sincere Friend.  

Comments by: lucky1402 On 08 February 2011Report Abuse
Agreeing with Minall, I just want to 2nd a little point that I am agree with the concept of seal with RasoolULLAH(S) and any thought like Qadiyani or others are right to say and I wonder why don’t other orthodox agree with them….confused….? what do we think about seal in our normal approach” yes when something has been done we use to put seal at the end and that mean below/after this SEAL nothing would take authenticity and legitimacy, Correct me of not so…..

Comments by: Nargis2 On 08 February 2011Report Abuse
Minal :  
 
Every Prophet by birth is a Messenger, and after Divine Revelation (through Gabriel “Life Creation Wave”) they made Prophet (Prophet mean Divinatory).  
 
And without Wahi/Divine Revelation, any Messenger cannot make a Prophet/Messenger of God.  
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Dear Minal  
 
How come every prophet is a messenger BY BIRTH? Where is it written and how is it explained? Can you prove your statement?  
 
And what do you mean by "divinatory"?  
 
I wondered, how can Prophet Mohammed be a seal of prophets whos not alive at his time ? Whats the point of seal prophets that lived before?  
 
According to Lane khatm means:- To seal/stamp/imprint/impress, to secure/protect oneself against a thing, produce an impression or effect upon a thing, reach the end of a thing, cover over a thing, turn away/avoid/shun someone or something, to not understand, prevent the heart from believing, feign heedlessness.  
 
Why cant we f ex. use "stamp","to secure", "to protect" or the other meanings to translate the word khatam?  

Comments by: Minaal On 08 February 2011Report Abuse
Dear Lucky,  
 
I am very glad to know that you are interested in Elm-ul-Quran. God guide you in a right way.  
 
This is an interpretation problem, like Jinn and Mala’eka.  
 
Terminologically this is a correct meaning that when something has been done we use to put seal at the end and that mean below/after this SEAL nothing would take authenticity and legitimacy.  
 
And Literally (Stamp or animal of sea called as Seal)  
 
In Surah-e-Ehzab, Verse No.40. God called as Seal his Prophet (Terminologically), by way of Complete Book “Al-Quran”.  
 
Thank you,  
 
Yours sincere Friend.  

Comments by: Nargis On 08 February 2011Report Abuse
Minaal  
 
Terminologically this is a correct meaning that when something has been done we use to put seal at the end and that mean below/after this SEAL nothing would take authenticity and legitimacy.  
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So if its a seal of prophets, nabi's, its not same as seal of Rusools?  
 
Please shed light on the other questins too

Comments by: moazzam On 09 February 2011
Dear Minaal and Participants! Here I’m presenting a very impotent discussion regarding خاتم النبیین while observing the following vrses 16/36,3/164,2/129,9/128,40/34,28/59,39/71,3/101,20/134,23/32 ,14/4  
1:- the Quranic term “KHATAMA” has been used in verses 2/7,6/46,45/23,42/24,36/35 meanings are very clear as a SEAL in orthodox translations. Mind Allah is فاعل in these verses.  
 
 
2:- The Qura’nic terminology “ IMAM “ has been used for prophets, see the verses 25/74,17/71,21/73,33/24  
 
3:- The Qura’nic terminology “RAJJAL” has also been used for prophets see the verses 21/7,16/43,12/109.  
 
4:- We believe that Qura’n is the last and final book (Alkitab)  
5:- There is almost half the Muslim population who believe in continuation of IMAMS (ahl-e-tashie). 6:-Mind the difference is only to call them as a IMAM OR RASOOL 7 :- If we believe ,that KHATIM means last, then according to orthodox believe the prophet EISA must be the last one not the MOHAMMAD.  
8:- If suppose, we consider the KHATEM means last then this will be in particular for NABI NOT FOR RASOOLS. Let us analyze the verse 33/40 مَا كَانَ مُحَمَّدٌ أَبَا أَحَدٍ مِنْ رِجَالِكُمْ وَلَكِنْ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ وَخَاتَمَ النَّبِيِّينَ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عَلِيمًا 1: In verse 33/40 (فاعل ) is MUHAMMAD not Allah. Think what would be the justification of verses 16/36,3/164,2/129,9/128,40/34,28/59,39/71,3/101,20/134,23/32 ,14/4 where Allah likes to send his messengers in every nation in their languages  
وَمَا أَرْسَلْنَا مِنْ رَسُولٍ إِلا بِلِسَانِ قَوْمِهِ لِيُبَيِّ  
 
2: Remember “ RASOOL ALLAH خاتم النبیین is the antonym of “ ABAA AHADUN MIRRIJALEKUM” as it is obvious from the verse33/40.  
3:- Pleas read the whole surah AL AHZAB, which is dealing with the war like situation and WILAYAT-E-NABI ,please focus on verse 5/33, concentrate on the terminology “ABAA-E-HIM”,who are ABAA? in fact, TO WHOME the new comers (newly embraced Islam) had been followed, they were not the perfect Muslim yet.  
4:- Now go to the verse 33/23 and concentrate at term “RIJAAL” actually these are the people to whom Muammad appointed as a (nabi) for the task given by him.  
 
5:-The conclusion of this verse is,that every RAJJAL can’t be the nabi except who having the ATTREBUTS of Muhammad 61/6 (وَإِذْ قَالَ عِيسَى ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ يَا بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ إِنِّي رَسُولُ اللَّهِ إِلَيْكُم مُّصَدِّقًا لِّمَا بَيْنَ يَدَيَّ مِنَ التَّوْرَاةِ وَمُبَشِّرًا بِرَسُولٍ يَأْتِي مِن بَعْدِي اسْمُهُ أَحْمَدُ فَلَمَّا جَاءَهُم بِالْبَيِّنَاتِ قَالُوا هَذَا سِحْرٌ مُّبِينٌ) .  
( Other wise any Rajjal can claim the status of nabi, so the calamity of NABWAT will be verified by Qura’n as per Muhmmad’s attributes.  

Comments by: Nargis2 On 09 February 2011Report Abuse
MAY GOD BLESS YOU, DEAR MOAZZAM. IM A FAN OF YOURS.  
 
From day one, since i read your posts, i knew you were special. Almost like me hahaha.  
Thank you for explaining this in detail.  
 
It feel so damn good when the puzzle is solved and my mind can take a rest, and jump to the next question, pheew :-D

Comments by: Minaal On 09 February 2011Report Abuse
Sister Nargis, sorry for wait,  
 
Now a days I am much busy, I will give you replies as soon as possible.  
 
And Dear Moazzam kindly write the Suras Name out of Surah’s number.  
 
Thank you.  

Comments by: naeem sheikh On 09 February 2011Report Abuse
Aastana Team,Brother Alahmar ! Please read the recent post of Moazzam at the topic of " Khatem annabyeen" .If this is the actual theme of " KHATEM ANNABYEEN" ,then why not all Muslim Ummah agree at the said described facts.I think some thing is missing here. Is only and only Moazzam is right, how??????Brother Moazzam ! please don't mind, i'm bit confused.

Comments by: Nargis On 09 February 2011 Edit DeleteReport Abuse
Brother Naeem, the "muslim ummah" agreed to follow manmade books like hadith, and hadith teach us to do shaksiat parasti, thats why they have to twist everything so it looks like Rusool was above everything. In that way, they created a mohammedan religion and not islam as it is.  
 
Look at the fact that it says its a seal of nabi, and not rusool or imaam. And Moazzam showed us Imam is also used for Rusool's.  
 
So why is he not a stamp of Rusols or imams, why only nabi?  
 
We knkow the Quran is a constitution in every islamic state , so if the law is one, then the one who is establishing it, must be a nabi too. Otherwise its impossible to carry out the laws in the Quran.

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