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TRANSLATION OF QURAN
BY DR. QAMAR ZAMAN
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CHALLENGE! CHALLENGE! CHALENGE!  
 
CAN ANYONE NAME ONE PROPHET, ALONG WITH, AND SINCE THE DEATH OF THE PROPHET REFERRED TO AS MUHAMMAD?
Add Your Comments  Question by: DHULQARNAIN On 06 September 2011
Comments by: DHULQARNAIN On 06 September 2011Report Abuse
Peace to All,  
 
I ask this question for two reasons:  
 
1. The Aastanna position is that Al-Khatim Nabiyeen does not mean Last/End of the Prophets.  
 
2. Nargis declared: ***"In this verse (referring to 3:21 )…So when this verse was revealed to prophet Mohammad there were so many انبیاء and it is a non ending continuous process . Now keeping in mind the verse 21 of sura 3 ( already discussed above ) , which clearly indicates that so many prophets انبیاء were present in the times of prophet Mohammad . This verse no 40 of sura 33 is declaring that Mohammad was the seal of the prophets , which simply means He was the appointing authority of other prophets."***  
 
So, Nargis declares that:  
 
1. There were so many prophets at the time of Muhammad.  
 
2. The prophethood is a non-ending continuous process.  
 
This is the official position of AAstanna Blog.  
 
Now, I didn’t start this thread to debate this topic here. All those who wish to debate this issue can please go to the following thread:  
 
http://www.aastana.com/blog/aastanablog.asp?SID=40&QID=1618  
 
I started this thread solely for the purpose of listing a name or names of prophets at the time of Muhammad and prophets since his death. Please provide the proof of the individual you name as prophet.  
 
Looking forward to your replies.  
 
Dhulqarnain-  
 

Comments by: Nargis On 06 September 2011Report Abuse

Can you show us an aya from the Quran which is saying 33:40 is valid ONLY if prophet living at the time of Mohammed are named?  
 
Can you tell us the name of Mohammed?  
 
what was the surname of Moses, Abraham, Yousef and Eesa?  
 
Please provide us proof for their surnames.  
 
Looking forwards to your proofs


Comments by: DHULQARNAIN On 06 September 2011Report Abuse
Nargis,  
 
SURNAME: a name added to a person's name, as one indicating a circumstance of birth or some characteristic or achievement; epithet.  
 
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/surname  
 
 
PROPHETS AND PROPER NAMES/NOUNS  
 
PROPER NOUN: A name used for an individual person, place, or organization, spelled with initial capital letters.  
 
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=proper+noun&tbs=dfn:1&tbo=u&sa=X&ei=YNtkTtmrCuq80AGO6K2kCg&sqi=2&ved=0CBYQkQ4&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=7d86af9665111856&biw=1280&bih=878  
 
IBRAHIM: accusative masculine proper noun → Ibrahim  
 
http://corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=22&verse=78  
 
 
MUSA: nominative masculine proper noun → Musa  
 
ISA: nominative proper noun → Jesus  
 
YAQUB: genitive proper noun → Yaqub  
 
http://corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=2&verse=136  
 
 
HAROUN: genitive masculine proper noun → Harun  
 
http://corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=7&verse=122  
 
Regardless of a surname, Allah did call them by a proper name i.e. Ibrahim, Haroun, Isa.  
 
When most people call you, do they call you by your first and surname together or just your first name? If they call you by your first name only does that mean you don't have a surname? If people at your job knew only your first name and called you by that only, would your last name cease to exist and would you still answer?  
 
Anyway, no problem, because according to the above definition of surname, Isa has one—ibn Maryam/Maryam.  
 
4:157 And for their saying: We have killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of Allah, and they killed him not, nor did they cause his death on the cross, but he was made to appear to them as such. And certainly those who differ therein are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge about it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for certain:  
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryam_(name)  
 
There are people living today with the surname Maryam, and perhaps if Isa were living in these times in America, his name might have just been Isa Maryam sans the ibn or maybe not.  
 
Names Imply a Genealogical Relationship  
 
This is clearly stressed in the Islamic naming system in which each name and its sequences implies a specific genealogical relationship. For example, the name Khaalid ibn Abdullah ibn Zakee al-Harbee, which in present times is written Khaalid Abdullah Zakee al-Harbee means Khaalid the son of Abdullah, the son of Zakee, from the tribe of Harb.  
 
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS329&q=cache:CnjGY85zyfEJ:http://www.zawaj.com/articles/naming.html+people+living+today+with+surname+ibn&ct=clnk  
 
So, I’ve given you one prophet with a first and surname. Now, you give me ONE prophet's name who lived at the same time as “Muhammad” or ONE prophets's name since his death.  
 
Can you now supply YOUR proof? I've given mine. :D  
 
If not, then withdraw your mistaken claim regarding Al-Khatim Nabiyeen.  
 
Btw, I gave my proof just an exercise for me, however, whether I did or not still does not change the fact that the BURDEN OF PROOF rests with you. It is you who hs declared that Al-Khatim Nabiyeen does not mean The Last Prophet, hence, you must now prove your claim regardless of what I do or don't do.  
 
Dhulqarnain-  

Comments by: Nargis On 06 September 2011Report Abuse

That is not there surnames. Where does it say Maryam is a surname? Prove it through the Quran. What is the surname when ibne sabeel is used?What does corpus Quran say about Mohammed,Kaba Bacca, mecca,they are proper nouns too?  
 
READ AGAIN;, you didn't answer my questions. Did I ask if Abraham Moses ,Eesa etc are Proper nouns? NO  
 
This is what I asked:-  
 
Can you show us an aya from the Quran which is saying 33:40 is valid ONLY if prophet living at the time of Mohammed are named?  
 
Can you tell us the name of Mohammed?  
 
what was the surname of Moses, Abraham, Yousef and Eesa?  
 
Please provide us proof for their surnames.  
 
AND im adding, prove Ibrrahim, Eesa and Moses are their birthnames.  
 
Looking forwards to your proofs (and no wikipedia links or surname definitions, proofs only through the Quran- )


Comments by: Amirkhan On 07 September 2011Report Abuse
I have two questions please :-  
1) If khatam doesn't mean end then why no prophet came after Muhammad (PBUH) in so many years when humanity was suffering the most?  
2) If prophets came after Muhammad (PBUH) then who were they?

Comments by: ARCHILOCUS On 07 September 2011Report Abuse
NARGIS,  
 
***So you mean to say the Quran have no answer?***  
 
Tell me if Al-Quran answers the following:  
 
1. From what materials did Allah make the Universe?  
 
2. When is the Day of Judgment?  
 
3. How many grains of sands are there on the earth?  
 
4. Why did Allah create dinosaurs?  
 
5. Why did He kill them off?  
 
6. Where does Al-Quran answer why the sky appears blue at times?  
 
7. What color were the prophets of Allah.  
 
8. How many were from what we call China today?  
 
***People have to blindly follow your Qadiyani translations, and where they can't back it up, their soldiers(you) tell us to ask Allah? Why is the book given, couldn't we just ask about all of it?  
 
Here's blind following;  
 
“How can you accept and ask us to accept that there were prophets at the time of “Muhammad” and ever since then, but you cannot name even one?! What you are doing and what you are asking us to do, is to follow/accept your assertion blindly as you have no proof to back it up. Allah in ayat 17:36 makes haram/forbidden blind following, meaning, to accept anything, to believe anything, to follow anything without proof”.  
 
***That's what I wanted to show, how blind you must be If you think God sent such stupidity as a guidance?***  
 
The only things you’ve show are:  
 
1. An inability to prove what you declare.  
 
2. That it is you who follow blindly, because until you can name a prophet per your claim, all you’re doing is following blindly.  
 
3. A highly honed talent for asking meaningless questions.  
 
4. That you're confused.  
 
Listen, why don’t you post your claim at Free-minds and let’s get some other feedback, whadda ya say, huh? Or, better, why don’t you post it on Youtube!  
 
***Looking forwards to your proofs (and no wikipedia links or surname definitions, proofs only through the Quran- )***  
 
LOL! Didn’t you go outside of Al-Quran and come up with SURNAME? My my, you love to change the rules. One more indication that you are confused and have no grounds for your claim.  
 
***That is not there surnames. Where does it say Maryam is a surname?***  
 
SURNAME: a name added to a person's name, as one indicating a circumstance of birth or some characteristic or achievement; epithet.  
 
LOL! Where does it say that it isn’t a surname, eh? YOU presented the term surname, yes? Well according to that definition, Ibn Maryam, meets that criteria for a surname.  
 
1. It’s added on to first proper/name—Isa  
 
2. It indicates a circumstance of birth—by Maryam  
 
Sorry, your denial that ibn Maryam is not a surname won’t fly, but neither do the your other positions. How do you know that Isa didn't use in Maryam as a surname? You don't. Isa ibn Maryam, sounds like a first and last name to me.  
 
*** Prove it through the Quran. What is the surname when ibne sabeel is used?What does corpus Quran say about Mohammed,Kaba Bacca, mecca,they are proper nouns too?***  
 
You tell me. I’ve proven that Al-Quran has given a surname to a prophet. I’ve met my burden of proof. If you want their surnames so badly, you do the research and find out. You have yet to provide even one name for your “theory” that prophets existed at the time of “Muhammad” and ever since his death. When are you going to do that? You post all of these meaningless questions, over weeks, and still you cannot prove your own claims, pitiful. You see, it doesn’t matter what I post or don’t post, because you still must, at some point, prove what YOU”VE claimed. What you’ve claimed is independent of me and what I say or don’t say, don’t you grasp that simple fact yet? Allah has named some prophets you have yet to name even one per your claim. Where does it say Allah has to give you the last name of a prophet otherwise the first name ceases to be the individuals actual name? He gave you the first name because that is sufficient.  
 
Let me ask you this, if you found a prophet alive today how would you convey that to others? Wouldn’t you want his name so that you could tell the others? Suppose, like Maddona, he only goes by one name, what would you do? He’s still a prophet, according to you anyway, right?. This surname assertion of yours is just one more of your red herring fallacies. You know who you sound like with all of these silly questions and even sillier propositions? Like the Jews who were asked to sacrifice a cow. You know how it goes. Oh, what color?, oh, how old?, oh, what is she?, oh oh oh. They were no more interested in sacrificing that cow than you are in sacrificing your ego for the truth of this Al-Quran, and that is why you continue day in and day out to ask silly questions, offer silly propositions, and indulge in ad hominen diatribes. All in a futile attempt to deflect attention from your erroneous claim.  
 
Anyway, enough of this back and forth, it’s tiresome now. I did not intend to get back into a discussion about it. I posted the CHALLENGE CHALLENGE CHALENGE question to see if you or someone could prove your claim. If no name appears at some point, then you know that your claim is foolishness and then perhaps you will do the right thing by Allah, your Lord, and withdraw the claim.  
 
So, when are you going to get serious and give us a name of one of your “so many prophets”?  
 
*Bated breath* :D  
 
Dhulqarnain-  
 
 

Comments by: Amirkhan On 07 September 2011Report Abuse
Sorry one more question  
3) If all the names written in quran are attributes so why the same names are given in other books and which were written many years before quran?

Comments by: waseemameer On 07 September 2011Report Abuse
Dhulqurnain  
 
You are wasting your time here asking such questions. You need to understand the message of AASTANA and atleast read all books/ subjects posted on AASTANA website. Did you read them yet?  
 
http://www.aastana.com/URDU/default.asp  

Comments by: waseemameer On 07 September 2011Report Abuse
Sister Maniza,  
Can we have english version of translation by Dr. Qamar? I feel Dhulqurnain and people cannot read Urdu need to go through those translations first before askig any questions.  
 

Comments by: moazzam On 07 September 2011
CHALLENGE! CHALLENGE! CHALENGE!  
 
Not a Dhulqarnain only in person, rather the Dhulqarnain's like religious unyielding mentality could not be convinced, till they remain “unacquainted/ unapprised” with the latest quran based AASTANA research .Please need not to waste yours and Aastana’s time as well.

Comments by: Nargis2 On 07 September 2011Report Abuse
I feel Dhulqurnain and people cannot read Urdu ,Waseemameer  
 

Brother Waseem, my questions are not not in urdu, still he is not answering them. English or Urdu, it doesn't matter or him. He is running away posting long posts and other rubbish, so it looks like he is answering them. A typical mullah priest style. did he give me the surnames? did he provide me the name of Mohammed? Did he prove prophets names are their birth names? Did he prove rom the Quran Eesa ibne Maryam is a surname?Did he tell us what his source Corpus Quran say about Mohammed,Mecca, Bakka and Kabah? NO- And still my questions are in ENGLISH.  
 
The deaf and the dumb and the blind can never use his senses, as we can see. And Dhulqarnain is not here for the Quran, but for his teacher whom he look upto and think is getting the Quran right. He is here to promote his groups views and not to see what the Quran says. He think they know the Quran perfectly because of Qadiyani translations,,,and they don't have to read it in Arabic because the Quran will talk in their language :-S So what the Quran say in Arabic is irrelevant as long as the orthodox translation is pleasing them.  
 
Dhulqarnain, we are not going anywhere until you answer these questions WITH CLEAR PROOFS AND RATAL TAASREEF THROUGH THE QURAN. Also the Questions of brother Waseem ameer, yellow cow and universal. You can't run away now, but if you do like you have done until now, then I request everyone to totally ignore him.


Comments by: ARCHILOCUS On 07 September 2011Report Abuse
Wasemameer, Nargis, Moazzam,  
 
The question is no waste of time at all.  
 
Let me show you something again which you've completely ignored:  
 
Allah says: 44:5 A command from Us — truly We are ever sending messengers —  
 
Nargis/Aastanna Blog says: "So when this verse was revealed to prophet Mohammad there were so many prophets and it is a non ending continuous process."  
 
Allah says--"ever sending messengers".  
 
Nargis/Aastanna Blog says: "prophets are non-ending process".  
 
Nargis/Aastana Blog have declared something which Allah didn't. Allah nowhere in His Quran has Allah said prophets are a non-ending process. Nargis/Aastana Blog have made themselves equal with Allah by saying something of His Deen which He did not say Himself. Did Allah, in His revelation, say the prophets are a non-ending process? No, He didn't, but you people are going to say it anyway. You are truly bold people. Look at the following ayat and learn something:  
 
10:15 And when Our clear messages are recited to them, those who have no hope of meeting with Us say: Bring a Quran other than this or change it. Say: It is not for me to change it of my own accord. I follow naught but what is revealed to me. Indeed I fear, if I disobey my Lord, the chastisement of a grievous day.  
 
Let's look at your position from the perspective of this ayat.  
 
1. When Nargis declared--"So when this verse was revealed to prophet Mohammad there were so many prophets and it is a non ending continuous process", where did she get this from? Well, she had to get this from a Qaraa/Quran other than Al-Quran, because Allah revealed no such thing in His Quran.  
 
2. The Prophet said: "I follow nothing but what was revealed to me". Nowhere in what was revealed to him is an ayat which states:--"So when this verse was revealed to prophet Mohammad there were so many prophets and it is a non ending continuous process". This assertion is no more in Al-Quran than a ritual prayer is.  
 
3. The Messenger-Prophet said: "I follow naught but what is revealed to me. Indeed I fear, if I disobey my Lord, the chastisement of a grievous day." Clearly, he followed only what was revealed to him not only because of his love for Allah, but he feared the Day of a Grievous Punishment. Nothing was revealed to him about prophets existing at the same time with him or prophets as a non-ending process.  
 
I’m done with chasing your diversionary questions. All of which I’ve answered in concrete fashion. You can ask 3 gazillion questions and still you will not be able to prove your own assertion. Asking questions will not answer your claim.  
 
Nargis, you’ve made a claim and now you must defend it and provide the identify a prophet from the time of “Muhammad” and one since his death. The following is why you won’t/can’t answer my CHALLENGE question.  
 
Because:  
 
1. Allah never revealed any such thing as non-ending prophets.  
 
2. There were no prophets at the time of “Muhammad”.  
 
3. There were no prophets since the death of “Muhammad”.  
 
4. Even if you did proffer a name of a so-called prophet, you have no way to prove it true.  
 
5. "3:21 does NOT mention any name, so I cant produce names from myself."--Nargis:  
 
So, until such time as you Nargis/Aastana Blog overcome the above, then by default, if for no other reason, “Muhammad” remains the Khatim Nabiyeen/The Last of the Prophets.  
 
Your assertion, in ANY language, is UNVERIFIABLE, hence, absolutely INVALID. To maintain that your assertion is the truth is to continue to follow blindly a superstitious idea.  
 
Dhulqarnain-  

Comments by: Maniza On 08 September 2011
Salam Dear Waseem,  
 
Unfortunately there are no other books or articles other than the ones already uploaded. There is a lack of interest from urdu speakers to come forward and translate, but there are endless subjects on this blog which could be of interest to those seeking knowledge of the true message of the Quran.

Comments by: waseemameer On 08 September 2011Report Abuse
Sis Maniza  
 
I am not very good at English but I could take the responsibility of translating the articles, say start from 'Paidaish-e-Maseeh".  
 
Let me know what you think.

Comments by: Nargis On 08 September 2011Report Abuse

awwww brother Waseem, I tried to mail you but its not going through :( wanted to ask if you could translate the articles. and here you are--- wow, like you read my mind,,,Must be the kundly and qismat who wanted it :-D I think that would be nice of you.


Comments by: DHULQARNAIN On 08 September 2011Report Abuse
Nargis, Waseemameer, and Maniza,  
 
I would be most interested in looking at your translations, however, in the meantime, could either of you answer the following questions? If the translations support your current view of Al-Khatim Nabiyeen, as defined by Nargis below, then my questions will still be unanswered. Hopefully, one of you can answer my questions directly without asking other diversionary questions, indulging in ad hominen attacks, threats of being banned, referring me to other links, name-calling or condescending dismissives.  
 
1. NARGIS: Now keeping in mind the verse 21 of sura 3 ( already discussed above ) , which clearly indicates that so many prophets انبیاء were present in the times of prophet Mohammad . ***NARGIS: This verse no 40 of sura 33 is declaring that Mohammad was the seal of the prophets , which simply means He was the appointing authority of other prophets***  
 
A. Every other ayat in which the word khatama appears, it means to stop, cease, end; close off. Yet, ayat 33:40 in your understanding the term takes a radical departure from its established Quranic meaning and becomes-- “appointing authority of other prophets”---NARGIS: “Muhammad was seal of prophets, which means He was the appointing authority of other prophets”.  
 
B. Can you present the ayat where Allah gave Muhammad the authority to “appoints other prophets”?  
 
C. Who “appointed prophets” before “Muhammad was born?  
 
D. How did he “appoint prophets” after he died?  
 
E. If Muhammad couldn’t appoint prophets because he was dead, who then, “appointed prophets” after He died/who appoints prophets today?  
 
 
2. NARGIS: “Quran is the First, the last, THE ONLY REVELATION given to mankind”.  
 
We certainly agree that Al-Quran is the Last Revelation. The Prophets or at least some of them anyway, were give books/scriptures from Allah. This was certainly the case with “Muhammad” (whom we will call that name for argument sake).  
 
A. So, given that Al-Quran is the Last Revelation, and Allah only revealed books to prophets, of what need then is there for prophets today or at the time of “Muhammad”?  
 
B. Given that there will be no more books/revelations from Allah, and given that prophets were required to follow what was revealed as well, and, given that a messenger of Allah can be anyone who delivers any aspect of Al-Quran correctly to others, what then, can a prophet do today that a messenger from Allah cannot do?  
 
Looking forward to your reply.  
 
Dhulqarnain-  

Comments by: waseemameer On 09 September 2011Report Abuse
Dhulqurnain,  
I will do so , but first you need to go through these books  
http://www.aastana.com/books/16_E.PDF  
This will tell you why people kept asking you about 2/185  
 
http://www.aastana.com/books/15_E.PDF  
http://www.aastana.com/books/19_E.PDF  
 
Please feel free to ask questions.

Comments by: DHULQARNAIN On 09 September 2011Report Abuse
Waseemameer,  
 
You did just the thing I asked you not to do.  
 
1. If the translations support your current view of Al-Khatim Nabiyeen, as defined by Nargis, then my questions will still be unanswered.  
 
2.Do not refer me to other links.  
 
***Please feel free to ask questions.***  
 
I will read the links and respond, but not until you or Nargis answer my questions.  
 
Please address my questions and then I will address your links.  
 
Dhulqarnain-  
 
 
 
 
 

Comments by: Universal-Lanati On 09 September 2011Report Abuse
As long as you do not read articles, post on the forum, references given in replies, or all of the detailed answers given to you, you will not be the addressee of Astana’s lesson. In other words, you are not the leveled audience to Astana’s research forum, which is for people who think, ponder, and want to know the message is in the Quran by dumping all conventional elucidations and philosophies.  
 
Your questions are answered by earlier posts, but you don’t get it. I have the nerve to say it is because you ignored them totally and handicapped yourself by confusion made by your own preconceived ideas in combination with the superb ability to ignore answers.  
 
If you really want’s the answers, you have a long way to go and start all over again by reading earlier responses. Otherwise the matter will remain muddled for you and research minded Quraniq individuals will not waste time on someone who never anticipates learning but is sticking to traditional translations no matter what. You have to liberate yourself from your head phones and plugs, so you can hear; you need to open your eyes in order to read and most importantly, open your mind to obtain fresh and clean air. It is your move.  

Comments by: DHULQARNAIN On 09 September 2011Report Abuse
 
You see, here you are, and once again, talking about anything and everything except want has been asked of you to talk about. Why is that? You are nothing but high leveled stallers. Is there not one of you high leveled researchers that has the ability to simply get past stalling and answer my direct questions directly?  
 
I said to Waseemameer, “You did just the thing I asked you not to do.”  
 
1. If the translations support your current view of Al-Khatim Nabiyeen, as defined by Nargis, then my questions will still be unanswered.  
 
2.Do not refer me to other links.  
 
So, what do you do, Lanati?  
 
1. Refer me to other links.  
 
2. Indulge in condescending dismissives.  
 
***As long as you do not read articles, post on the forum, references given in replies, or all of the detailed answers given to you, you will not be the addressee of Astana’s lesson.***  
 
Please, give me a break. My God, who do you think you’re kidding?! The only reason why you and the others keep stalling by asking me to answer questions on other topics and to read articles and then answer questions about them, is because you cannot answer the questions I’ve presented to you regarding Nargis’s outlandish claims so you want to divert and stall. You are very transparent.  
 
*** In other words, you are not the leveled audience to Aastana’s research forum, which is for people who think, ponder, and want to know the message is in the Quran by dumping all conventional elucidations and philosophies.***  
 
LOL! Yeah, okay. Listen, given that you and the others are on such a HIGH LEVEL and, by implication I’m such a low level, then it should be NO PROBLEM FOR ANY OF YOU HIGH LEVEL RESEARCHERS to answer the questions I presented you with on Sept. 8, 2011. Am I correct?  
Here they are again:  
 
 
1. NARGIS: Now keeping in mind the verse 21 of sura 3 ( already discussed above ) , which clearly indicates that so many prophets انبیاء were present in the times of prophet Mohammad . ***NARGIS: This verse no 40 of sura 33 is declaring that Mohammad was the seal of the prophets , which simply means He was the appointing authority of other prophets***  
 
A. Every other ayat in which the word khatama appears, it means to stop, cease, end; close off. Yet, ayat 33:40 in your understanding the term takes a radical departure from its established Quranic meaning and becomes-- “appointing authority of other prophets”---NARGIS: “Muhammad was seal of prophets, which means He was the appointing authority of other prophets”.  
 
B. Can you present the ayat where Allah gave Muhammad the authority to “appoints other prophets”?  
 
C. Who “appointed prophets” before “Muhammad was born?  
 
D. How did he “appoint prophets” after he died?  
 
E. If Muhammad couldn’t appoint prophets because he was dead, who then, “appointed prophets” after He died/who appoints prophets today?  
 
 
2. NARGIS: “Quran is the First, the last, THE ONLY REVELATION given to mankind”.  
 
We certainly agree that Al-Quran is the Last Revelation. The Prophets or at least some of them anyway, were give books/scriptures from Allah. This was certainly the case with “Muhammad” (whom we will call that name for argument sake).  
 
A. So, given that Al-Quran is the Last Revelation, and Allah only revealed books to prophets, of what need then is there for prophets today or at the time of “Muhammad”?  
 
B. Given that there will be no more books/revelations from Allah, and given that prophets were required to follow what was revealed as well, and, given that a messenger of Allah can be anyone who delivers any aspect of Al-Quran correctly to others, what then, can a prophet do today that a messenger from Allah cannot do?  
 
 
***Your questions are answered by earlier posts, but you don’t get it. I have the nerve to say it is because you ignored them totally and handicapped yourself by confusion made by your own preconceived ideas in combination with the superb ability to ignore answers.***  
 
NONE of my questions were answered in other posts, please. What…do you think just posting some response or another constitutes an answer?! If any of you had answered my questions, then I would not be repeating them to you now. For example, your reply today, you think it constitutes an answer to my question, but it has answered nothing. You simply indulged yourself in more stalling and wasted good bandwidth.  
 
***If you really want’s the answers, you have a long way to go and start all over again by reading earlier responses. Otherwise the matter will remain muddled for you and research minded Quraniq individuals will not waste time on someone who never anticipates learning but is sticking to traditional translations no matter what. You have to liberate yourself from your head phones and plugs, so you can hear; you need to open your eyes in order to read and most importantly, open your mind to obtain fresh and clean air. It is your move.***  
 
LOL! Your above immediate comment?.. is nothing but a confession that you cannot answer my questions, because you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about nor do the others. Let me ask you this: If you were at public event with live people in the audience and were asked by one of them what I've asked you, what would you reply...go look at the links LOL? You have no idea how to defend Nargis’s claims, but then, neither does she. You’re confused and fully of hot-air and baloney. I know you people and if you thought, even for a second, that you knew the answers to my questions, you would have long ago jumped all over me instead of continuing with your dance of denial, diversion, and condescension.  
 
Whoever, answer my questions directly and I will comment on the articles which Waseemameer gave. Btw, thank you Wasemameer for the links. I have wanted to read them for awhile anyway and then critique them. I am looking forward to that, I assure you. I am not ducking discussion regarding them, but I do not want to start discussing them and not have cleared up my questions to Nargis/Aastana Blog regarding her claims of 3:21 and 33:40. Let’s conclude this business first before starting new business. Makes sense, yes, no?  
 
Dhulqarnain-  

Comments by: Amirkhan On 09 September 2011Report Abuse
I am reading this blog from last few months but this is the first time I asked three questions.  
(1) If khatam doesn't mean end then why no prophet came after Muhammad (PBUH) in so many years when humanity was suffering the most? (2) If prophets came after Muhammad (PBUH) then who were they? (3) If all the names written in quran are attributes so why the same names are given in other books which were written many years before quran?  
Please tell me why nobody is answering because I dont see any explanation of khatam un nabi in articles and discussion on this site.

Comments by: DHULQARNAIN On 09 September 2011Report Abuse
Peace, Amirkhan,  
 
***I am reading this blog from last few months but this is the first time I asked three questions.  
(1) If khatam doesn't mean end then why no prophet came after Muhammad (PBUH) in so many years when humanity was suffering the most? (2) If prophets came after Muhammad (PBUH) then who were they? (3) If all the names written in quran are attributes so why the same names are given in other books which were written many years before quran?***  
 
Good questions.  
 
***Please tell me why nobody is answering because I dont see any explanation of khatam un nabi in articles and discussion on this site.***  
 
No one is answering, because they cannot possibly prove their assertions. If they do respond to you, it will be a copy and paste of some mind-numbing long convoluted ramble, which will deal with anything and everything except what you’re asking to be addressed.  
 
They are afraid to answer you, because they know you’re paying attention and will question them further.  
 
Dhulqarnain-  

Comments by: Nargis On 09 September 2011Report Abuse
I am reading this blog from last few months but this is the first time I asked three questions.

Sorry for not answering your questions have overlooked them. If you search on the forum then you will discover that these issues have been discussed in detail. I’ll try to be brief and give a short summary:-

 
(1) If khatam doesn't mean end then why no prophet came after Muhammad (PBUH) in so many years when humanity was suffering the most?  
 

Dear brother, No Nabi or Rusool is a Nabi or Rusool by birth. They have to prove they are proficient contenders for the position according to its gigantic responsibilities and colossal requirements of wisdom and intense obligations for the abilities to instrument the divine system of equality.  
See verse no 40 & 41 of sura 20

فَلَبِثْتَ سِنِينَ فِي أَهْلِ مَدْيَنَ ثُمَّ جِئْتَ عَلَىٰ قَدَرٍ يَا مُوسَىٰ  
 
hen You stayed a number of years with the people of Madyan . Then You came according to a parameter  
 
وَاصْطَنَعْتُكَ لِنَفْسِي  
 
And then I selected you for myself

Prophets Yahya and Jesus both were adult and well trained to lead the nation. A Person with a silver spoon in his mouth by birth is not capable to create a character of اسوہ حسنہ for his followers .  
 
*A Rusool must have risalat to be a Rusool, I.E a messenger need a message to deliver in order to fulfill the function associated with the word “Rusool/messenger”.  
 
So before he is doing anything, he needs the message first.  
 
When delivered and explained to the people, next part would be to implement the message in order to make it functional as described in AlKitab. There is no need of having a message and preaching it over and over again if it is not productive to the disadvantaged poor people in the society.  
 
*For that he need to establish the state delegate orders and structure the administration of the state and make sure it is fulfilling its intended goals.  
 
It means he will be the Nabi, نبی means a person posted at a high position like a Head of a state. Nabi’s personality is accounted among Rajjal’s. A Nabi is a strong character and the implementer of the Wahi. You may study all those verses and suras where the word Nabi has appeared and you will find him:  
 
- Giving orders  
- Making decisions  
- Appointing commanders As Head of a state  
 
The topic of the sura 33 is "walayat-e-nabi" ولایت نبی described in verse 6 of the sura. The subjects discussed are the responsibilities of Nabi . So Rasool cannot be a Rasool without Wahi as he is amessenger of Wahi and Nabi cannot be a Nabi without Wahi as he is the implementer of Wahi.  
 
A Nabi is nabi when he implements the wahy, khatimal nabi when he is appointing nabis at other departments. The appointing authority will be MUHAMMED; at EVERY TIME EVERY ERAS EVERY EPOCHS WHEN A PERSON BUILD THE CHARACTER OF A RUSOOL AND THEN NABI. The one who will be the appointing authority of other nabis must have the qualities of Muahammed, mahmood, ahmadu…  
 
Why havn’t we seen anyone now ?  
 
If someone with the Standards and requirements as described of a Rusool and Nabi in detail in the Quran, then creator choses him to lead the nation. Why not?  
 
But these parameters in a character must be shown and recognized by the society, and his own results and achievements through his hard efforts and determination.  
 
As you can see for the last centuries, the Quranic knowledge has been hijacked by mullah imams, and hadithistic personality worshipping characters have dominated “Islam”. According to 20:40-41 you can see the requirments of a Rusool,which is not a rusool or nabi by birth, but through hard effort and character. These characters are achieved after hard effort and considerings at the phenomenons observable only for the one who look for them.  
 
Why we havn’t seen anyone may be as a result of people being blind followers of fairy tales for a long time, so the latent quality is not developed by anyone.  
 
So next generations, make room for the truth/ Quran, the given characters in the Quran are not fairy tales of super humans, it can be you when the ma samaa reaches your thoughts.


Comments by: Nargis On 09 September 2011Report Abuse
I dont see any explanation of khatam un nabi in articles and discussion on this site.

Again a brief summary of what we have written here earlier.  
 
verse40 of 33 needs understanding of the complete sura otherwise it can cause confusion.you must read and study the sura keeping in mind the topic and the subject of the sura in mind. The topic of surah 33 is "walayat-e-nabi" ولایت نبی  
 
described in verse 6  
 
النَّبِيُّ أَوْلَىٰ بِالْمُؤْمِنِينَ مِنْ أَنفُسِهِمْ ۖ وَأَزْوَاجُهُ أُمَّهَاتُهُمْ ۗ وَأُولُو الْأَرْحَامِ بَعْضُهُمْ أَوْلَىٰ بِبَعْضٍ فِي كِتَابِ اللَّهِ مِنَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ وَالْمُهَاجِرِينَ إِلَّا أَن تَفْعَلُوا إِلَىٰ أَوْلِيَائِكُم مَّعْرُوفًا ۚ كَانَ ذَ‌ٰلِكَ فِي الْكِتَابِ مَسْطُورًا  
 
orthodox translation:-  
 
The Prophet is closer to the believers than their selves, and his wives are (as) their mothers. And the owners of kinship are closer one to another in the ordinance of Allah than (other) believers and the fugitives (who fled from Mecca), except that ye should do kindness to your friends. This is written in the Book (of nature).  
 
From here you can see this is the topic of surah 33- The subjects discussed are the responsibilities of Nabi .  
It means the accountabilities and duties a Nabi has to impersonate as a Nabi, are discussed in this surah.  
 
النبی is a proper noun because of additional ال .  
 
Now the compound of words بِيِّينَ النَّوَخَاتَمَ appeared only in 33:40  
 
As you may probably notice is that at the word تَم خا there is a زبر over the letter ت , So the paradigm is عَل فا with a زبر over ع  
Similar words the paradigm فاعل ( fa’il ) are کاتب katib قاتل qatil قادر qadir حامل hamil etc  
 
Hopefully you can observe that these words made under this paradigm have an inherent meaning of the person responsible for a given task, a doer / operator / perpetrator. It means that this is a the person behind or in charge of the assignment of khatam nabis  
 
A Qatil is a killer, meaning that a Qatil is the executor of a murder  
 
A Katib is an author, meaningin that the Katib is the author if books  
 
Likewise, a khatim is the one who is khatiming nabis, I.E appointing seal of nabis.  
 
So this is an active living act, which is not possible to do by Muhammed if there is no nabi one can perform this act on.  
Quoting Ameen Ahsan Islahi at page 239 of Tadabbur -e- Quran Book 6 .  
دونون اھل لغت کے نزدیک بالکل ھم معنی ھین " خاتم Khatim خاتم Khatam  
 
Last man of a nation ,Result of a thing ,Last stamp of a letter , all these things are included in its meanings .”Although neither خاتم with زیر nor خاتم with زبر means to stop.The categorical word meaning the last is not used which is آخر ,this has made the whole confusion .  
 
Last man of a nation would mean? The last person of a nation, or the last man standing,,,with the attribute or assignment of khatam. It means that in any nation, the one who is khatim al nabijin will be muhammed, mu hamd with the attributes of ahamd, mahmood, the one on muqame mahmood.  
 
He is the last stamp on the letter; it means he is the one who bring results in the nation by appointing nabis who carry out the divine message in a nation. He is the one who have the ability to calculate and recognize attributes or characters as needed to be head of departments.  
 
Like a Qatil is a qatil in every nation at every time, a katib is a katib at every time in every nation and an alim is an alim in any nation at every epoch  
 
AND A KHATIMB AL NABIJIN WILL BE KHATIM AL NABIJIN WHENEVER PERFORMED CORRESPONDINGLY.  
 
Mohammad is not a proper noun rather a character, Mohammad could be any NABI/ RASOOL who possesses the attributes of Ahmad as mentioned in verse 61/6.  
 
So if khatim means last, or the end to nabowat/risalat, then the last one would be Prophet Eesa,because Muhammed is not a proper name,,,its is a character.  
 
* and lets suppose khatim means to stop prophet hood, it would be the end only for nabi's. However, a nabi cant be a nabi without wahy, because his main job is to implement it. wahy/risalat is given to rusool,,so if rusools are not khatim/ stopped, the ended, but nabowat is ended, then we won't have a head of state as described in the Quran. What will a implementer of wahy be called in the future?  
 
Read more :-  
 
http://www.aastana.com/blog/aastanablog.asp?QID=1685  
http://www.aastana.com/quran/Default.asp?SuraNo=33  
http://www.aastana.com/blog/aastanablog.asp?QID=443  
 
Enjoy.


Comments by: Nargis On 09 September 2011Report Abuse
(2) If prophets came after Muhammad (PBUH) then who were they?

I’m looking too…  
Anyway, it is answered.

(3) If all the names written in quran are attributes so why the same names are given in other books which were written many years before quran?

This is because the earlier books were not nazooled with a different content than the Quran. The message is preserved in loohe mahfooz, and the Rusools of it time observed it.  
 
When the message is same, the attributes one is invigorated to develop, would obviously be the same  
It’s not like one book informed humanity to achieve a specific character, then the next one revealed you about another one and the third one told you about a completely different character.  
 
Would it make sense to you if I wrote a book and encouraged people to struggle for the achievements of attributes like nice and kind cozy cozy at one hand, but after my death someone else conveys the same message with the encouragement to develop the opposite characters, such as "unpleasant" and "cruel" on the other hand?

*If Adam is needed to show Malaika their responsibilities and portray the results of Rabb ul Alemeen, then he is needed time and again and again…  
 
*If Imran is needed as the principle and originator of Maryam, then whenever Eesa need his institution (Maryam), He will come time and again and again  
 
*If Abraham is needed to debate with evidence with the powerful all controlling clergy in charge, then he is needed time and again  
 
*Whenever Zakarya will see the need of a leader for the next generations, he will come among us and introduce Yahiya time and again and again…  
 
*If Yahya is needed as hayaat dene wala(Life giver) to a dead nation, then whenever a nation is dead, Yahay’s will come time and again and again…  
 
*If Moses is needed against Pharaoh / elite in order to suck out the truth from behind the veils and present nizame raboyat to to humanity/ once, then he is needed time and again and again  
 
*If Jesus is needed to liberate people from the non-authorized man made ropes strangling their necks, then he is needed whenever the rope is placed, time and again and again…..  
 
*If Mohammed is needed to appoint Nabis, then he will come as needed, time and again and again…  
 
The point with all this greenery symbolizing productiveness,is:- WHEN OR IF "YOU" ARE NEEDED ONCE, "YOU" WILL BE NEEDED TIME AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN. A DOCTOR WILL ALWAYS BE NEEDED WHEN THE ILLNESS IS THERE,,NO MATTER WHAT THE DOCTORS NAME IS, JEKYLL OR HIDE - SAME MEDICINE WILL CURE FLU IN EUROPE AND AFRICA,,,AT EVERY TIMES AND ERAS

Is there any character YOU know about, another different character which is NOT mentioned in AlKitab, who can achieve these results for humanity  
 
*lead them out of darkness to the light,  
 
* Liberate humanity from man-made shackles,  
 
*Release them from self imposed mental slavery,  
 
*Stand erected against powerful elite and clergy,  
 
* Move minds and hearts filthy with blind beliefs ,fairy tales, wishful thinking and illusions by evidence-based arguments,  
 
* And establish a just socio economy system of equality based on the original one we see in the Universe??

Feel free to share it with us, dear brother Amir khan


Comments by: Amirkhan On 09 September 2011Report Abuse
Sister I have studied the articles and discussions very carefully and I asked the questions because I cannot see more detail in any discussion. I have seen the discussions on names of the prophets as attributes and not proper names and I am also taking interest in the topic of Al kitaab being the only book but given to different rasools in their language. Believe you me that I am studying everything very carefully. Please excuse my language and my writing style because I am not expert in English and I am not familiar with rules and regulations of this blog.  
I am writing a summary of your answer so that you can see how much I understood.  
1) No one is born as nabi or rasool.  
2) Anyone who proves himself according to the requirement and wisdom can become a nabi.  
3) Rasool comes with a message and when he implement that message he becomes nabi.  
4) Nabi needs a lot of training to implement wahi.  
5) Nabi also need a state to implement wahi and he appoints the commanders.  
6) When the nabi implements wahi it is productive for poor people of the society.  
7) Someone who meets the standards or rasool or nabi can become a nabi even today.  
8) He will become nabi only if the society recognize his character and if he can produce results.  
9) No nabi came for last centuries because Quran has been hijacked by mullah and imams.  
10) We haven't seen anyone because people are blind followers of fairy tales.  
Am I right?  
Your answers are good in the start but the later parts look like speculation because Quran tells us about a series of people coming to their nations as rasool and nabi. All these nations had the bad qualities like we have today but still rasools came to them and gave them the message in their own language. I have read somewhere on this blog that Al Kitaab is same right from the very first day till today and Quran is the last form of this message. If Al Kitaab is same from the very first day then why it was delivered in Arabic and why not in the same language in which it was written for the first time? Why the Arabic Quran is last book? If Muhammad was not the last prophet and If nabi can come even today then why cant he bring the book in English, Urdu, Chinese, French, German? Is there anything written in Quran about the Arabic Quran being the final message? Please share with me the verse which says Arabic Quran is the final form of Al-Kitaab. Also I can't understand your answer that no nabi is coming to us because we are blind followers of fairy tales. Were the previous nations better than us? Were they not the blind followers of fairy tales and were they not doing what we are doing today? Quran says that rasool came or will come to people with a message in their own language. Without a rasool coming with a message in our own language how can we understand the message? Why we are required to understand the message in a foreign language? Why not in Hindi or English? Is this not a contradiction?  
If Adam is needed to show Malaika their responsibilities and portray the results of Rabb ul Alemeen, then he is needed time and again and again…  
 
*If Imran is needed as the principle and originator of Maryam, then whenever Eesa need his institution (Maryam), He will come time and again and again  
 
*If Abraham is needed to debate with evidence with the powerful all controlling clergy in charge, then he is needed time and again  
 
*Whenever Zakarya will see the need of a leader for the next generations, he will come among us and introduce Yahiya time and again and again…  
 
*If Yahya is needed as hayaat dene wala(Life giver) to a dead nation, then whenever a nation is dead, Yahay’s will come time and again and again…  
 
*If Moses is needed against Pharaoh / elite in order to suck out the truth from behind the veils and present nizame raboyat to to humanity/ once, then he is needed time and again and again  
 
*If Jesus is needed to liberate people from the non-authorized man made ropes strangling their necks, then he is needed whenever the rope is placed, time and again and again…..  
 
*If Mohammed is needed to appoint Nabis, then he will come as needed, time and again and again…  
 
The answer is not clear so please explain more clearly that if nabi will come again and again then why no nabi came in so many years when humanity is suffering the most? Also please explain what do you mean by state and head of state. Do you mean state is a country and head of state is the prime minister or president of a country? If this is your logic then do you think Mahatma Gandhi, Indra Gandhi, Pandit Nehru, Muammad Ali Jinnah were nabi because they made the constitution and gave us our countries? Also please explain what do you mean by divine system of equality.

Comments by: DHULQARNAIN On 09 September 2011Report Abuse
NARGIS,  
 
AMIRKHAN asked:  
 
(1) If khatam doesn't mean end then why no prophet came after Muhammad (PBUH) in so many years when humanity was suffering the most?  
 
(2) If prophets came after Muhammad (PBUH) then who were they?  
 
NARGIS: Why havn’t we seen anyone now ?... I’m looking too…  
 
What are you looking for? Didn’t you claim the following?  
 
***NARGIS/AASTANA BLOG: says: "So when this verse was revealed to prophet Mohammad there were so many prophets and it is a non ending continuous process." ***  
 
I mean, gosh, given that, according to you an Aastana Blog anyway, there were soooo many prophets at the time of “Muhammad” and it’s a never ending process, you’re telling us now that you cannot even find the name of one prophet in over 14 centuries??...not ONE you can identify as a prophet from Allah?!?, but your still looking too?!  
You know what Narge,…you will never find one…ever! Why?, because Allah told you in 33:40 that “Muhammad” was the Last of the Prophets, but you denied His Truth. Now, more and more, you can see how absolutely foolish your claim is. Allah never told humanity that there would be ongoing prophets or that prophets existed along with “Muhammad. You people here simply made up the claim/comjecture and proffered it as truth. Allah, however, did speak of an ongoing body of people in 44:5…messengers.  
 
Allah says--"ever sending messengers".  
 
***NARGIS: Why we havn’t seen anyone MAY BE THE RESULT OF people being blind followers of fairy tales for a long time, so the latent quality is not developed by anyone.***  
 
What do you mean by…”may be the result of”? Don’t you know for an undisputed fact what the cause is?! You spoke so factually about 3:21 and 33:40 earlier, so why now…”may be the result of”? You see, Nargis, you just don’t know what the heck you’re talking about and that’s why you’re guessing now just as you've been guessing all along regarding 3:21 and 33:40. All you’ve written is nothing more than your own opinion/conjecture and, under any minimal scrutiny whatsoever, your assertions will proven to be nothing more than conjecture upon layers of conjecture.  
 
So, it is crystal clear now Nargis that your assertion regarding 3:21 and 33:40 is nothing more than conjecture. Furthermore, in light of your not being able to meet your burden of proof regarding 3:21 and 33:40, will you now accept that “Muhammad” was Al-Khatim Nabiyeen/The Last of the Prophets; or will you continue to push your conjecture and continue to distort and make mockery of Al-Quran/The Words of Allah?  
 
I will address your other false premises in my next post.  
 
Dhulqarnain-  

Comments by: Nargis-Badshah-Salamat On 09 September 2011Report Abuse
Brother Amir khan  
 
I have read somewhere on this blog that Al Kitaab is same right from the very first day till today and Quran is the last form of this message. If Al Kitaab is same from the very first day then why it was delivered in Arabic and why not in the same language in which it was written for the first time?

Because the language is not determining its content, its content can be delivered in any language.  
 
For example,if a psychiatrist tell you that you are depressed and need treatment, then the same message can be told in urdu :تم اوسادگرست ہیں، آپ کو علاج کروانے کی ضرورت  
 
Language is the tool a message is delvered with. If you talk to a deaf person, you don’t need to talk to him in English in order to make him understand what you try to convey, you can convey your message in a sign language, without even open your mouth and using any language.  
 
Prophets are not bound to a language or nation, rather the ability to observe the divine message and act upon it, which is everywhere in the universe independently of the language its inhabitants speaks

Why the Arabic Quran is last book?

It’s the only book. The human nature never changes, so the guidance doesn’t have to be different either. The Quran said Allah never change its orders, because he is not cruel to his people. Meaning, changing of orders is considered to be cruelty to human kind

 
If Muhammad was not the last prophet and If nabi can come even today then why cant he bring the book in English, Urdu, Chinese, French, German?

That’s what we are trying to do, conveying it in English at the blog, and trying to translate it in urdu, by Dr Unlce.

Is there anything written in Quran about the Arabic Quran being the final message? Please share with me the verse which says Arabic Quran is the final form of Al-Kitaab.

If you read our previous discussions, we say it is provided by the Creator, it is not going agains laws of nature or leading to stagnation. So it is the one and only message. Search for the discussions to see the relevant ayas plz.

Also I can't understand your answer that no nabi is coming to us because we are blind followers of fairy tales.

Nabi is not a nabi because you are a blind follower of fairy tales. What difference does it makes for him, if you can't teach him your ignorance? The Quran has been under veils of Hadithistic occupations (Read the so called Islamic history/ Fairy tales), so now at least some of us are trying to unveil its true message, to make it easier for people to comprehend its message and get busy with what it’s ordering us to do. Then it is more likely to achieve the attributes. However, if anyone achieves the given attributes now, and the Quran recognize his abilities as its prescribed parameters, then he is a Rusool or Nabi.(As told in the Quran)

Were the previous nations better than us? Were they not the blind followers of fairy tales and were they not doing what we are doing today?  

I don’t know, haven’t done any research on previous nations and societies, it’s a different subject in itself. I try to keep it only to the Quran and what the Quran say. Rusool is simply a messenger, be A Messenger or The messenger. THE Messenger is the one who initiated the message and first started the reformation of his society, While A Messenger can be any person who takes the message and goes to his people with the same mission. Nabi is a person who is in a position to appoint a commander e.g. 2/247, He is the head of the state e.g. Suras 4 & 9 and 33 etc. Hence a Nabi has full authority to make laws and implement them. So to be a Nabi means that he should have the knowledge of the rules of governance. He is always a messenger first and then Nabi. A messenger may remain a messenger only, but a Nabi should have the knowledge of the message.  
 
Do you understand the explained details in the Quran about Rusool and Nabi, or do you think it is super humans who were only here earlier so they now can dreamt about and worshipped to the last details?

Quran says that rasool came or will come to people with a message in their own language. Without a rasool coming with a message in our own language how can we understand the message? Why we are required to understand the message in a foreign language? Why not in Hindi or English? Is this not a contradiction?

You are trying to understand the message in English right now, no? As said, the language is the tool for a contented substance for the betterment of humanity. If I were to write a book about the divine message, I would do it in English because I’m not fluent in Chinese Japanese or Arabic…  
 
To understand the above statement, one has to understand the difference between same language and same content?

The answer is not clear so please explain more clearly that if nabi will come again and again then why no nabi came in so many years when humanity is suffering the most?

Because the given characters, attributes has to be developed by a human being who observe the laws of Nature and becomes a Rusool. Why anyone hasn’t developed these characters is obvious. If you ask yourself this question, why haven’t you developed the given attributes in the Quran, yourself? Why are you not a Rusool or Nabi? Please read the article of Sirate Mustaqeem http://www.aastana.com/URDU/viewer.asp?id=59

Also please explain what do you mean by state and head of state.

State is the establish Nizame Raboyat, Mumliqate Elahya, Socio economy system as elaborated in the Quran. The one, who is in charge, State-run when it is founded, is the Nabi.

Do you mean state is a country and head of state is the prime minister or president of a country?

Answered above, Nabi is to implement wahy.

If this is your logic then do you think Mahatma Gandhi, Indra Gandhi, Pandit Nehru, Muammad Ali Jinnah were nabi because they made the constitution and gave us our countries?

According to MY LOGIC? Did you not read about 33:40 and what the Quran say about a Nabi? Read again. however, if the meaning of the word NABI is head of state, independently of the use in the Quran, It meaning wont change as per Arabic language- If I use the word PRESIDENT for RUSOOL ALLAH only, it doesn't mean the word president is isolated for only one meaning and can't be used by other authors in their own context. Head of state is head of state, but it doesn’t mean he is implementing wahy. Only the Nabi as Quran explained, will be the implementer of wahy.  
 
Do you understand the difference?

Also please explain what you mean by divine system of equality.

That would be the just socio economy system one is ordered to establish. As per my understanding, Motivation of the economic system from Quran would be.Equal opportunities so one is enabled for mental enhancement. Once basic needs are pleased, one is prospective to deliberate for new challenges and consequently improve further. The Story of Moses is a good example as the can observe how the difference in nizame Raboyat can change the mental sequencer of its objects.  
 
Please read carefully all three posts again and search on the forum for relevant discussions. It is presented, feel free to agree or disagree, accept or reject-

 
 
Your answers are good in the start but the later parts look like speculation because Quran tells us about a series of people coming to their nations as rasool and nabi. All these nations had the bad qualities like we have today but still rasools came to them and gave them the message in their own language.  
 

That's what we say, Rusools and Nabis will always come. There is no speculation  
 
*If Adam is needed to show Malaika their responsibilities and portray the results of Rabb ul Alemeen, then he is needed time and again and again,AADAM = not a single man rather the mankind (when became in his full consciousness) … READ http://www.aastana.com/URDU/viewer.asp?id=37  
 
*If Imran is needed as the principle and originator of Maryam, then whenever Eesa need his institution (Maryam), He will come time and again and again http://www.aastana.com/urdu/viewer.asp?id=49  
http://www.aastana.com/books/16_E.PDF  
 
*If Abraham is needed to debate with evidence with the powerful all controlling clergy in charge, then he is needed time and again  
 
*Whenever Zakarya will see the need of a leader for the next generations, he will come among us and introduce Yahiya time and again and again…  
 
*If Yahya is needed as hayaat dene wala(Life giver) to a dead nation, then whenever a nation is dead, Yahay’s will come time and again and again…  
 
*If Moses is needed against Pharaoh / elite in order to suck out the truth from behind the veils and present nizame raboyat to to humanity/ once, then he is needed time and again and again  
 
*If Jesus is needed to liberate people from the non-authorized man made ropes strangling their necks, then he is needed whenever the rope is placed, time and again and again…..  
 
*If Mohammed is needed to appoint Nabis, then he will come as needed, time and again and again…  
 
Read more about the attributes:- http://www.aastana.com/blog/aastanablog.asp?QID=1248  
http://www.aastana.com/blog/aastanablog.asp?QID=1248  
 
So brother, I asked you a question, waiting for your replies. All your questions are fully detailed.


Comments by: Nargis-Badshah-Salamat On 09 September 2011Report Abuse
I am reading this blog from last few months but this is the first time I asked three questions.  

Dear brother Amir Khan , Sorry for not answering your questions have overlooked them. If you search on the forum then you will discover that these issues have been discussed in detail. Aim is not to convince, but to make you ponder. I’ll try to be brief and give a short summary:-

(1) If khatam doesn't mean end then why no prophet came after Muhammad (PBUH) in so many years when humanity was suffering the most?

No Nabi or Rusool is a Nabi or Rusool by birth. They have to prove they are proficient contenders for the position according to its gigantic responsibilities and colossal requirements of wisdom and intense obligations for the abilities to instrument the divine system of equality.  
See verse no 40 & 41 of sura 20  
 
فَلَبِثْتَ سِنِينَ فِي أَهْلِ مَدْيَنَ ثُمَّ جِئْتَ عَلَىٰ قَدَرٍ يَا مُوسَىٰ  
 
hen You stayed a number of years with the people of Madyan . Then You came according to a parameter  
 
وَاصْطَنَعْتُكَ لِنَفْسِي  
 
And then I selected you for myself  
 
Prophets Yahya and Jesus both were adult and well trained to lead the nation. A Person with a silver spoon in his mouth by birth is not capable to create a character of اسوہ حسنہ for his followers .  
 
*A Rusool must have risalat to be a Rusool, I.E a messenger need a message to deliver in order to fulfill the function associated with the word “Rusool/messenger”.  
 
So before he is doing anything, he needs the message first.  
 
When delivered and explained to the people, next part would be to implement the message in order to make it functional as described in AlKitab. There is no need of having a message and preaching it over and over again if it is not productive to the disadvantaged poor people in the society.  
 
*For that he need to establish the state delegate orders and structure the administration of the state and make sure it is fulfilling its intended goals.  
 
It means he will be the Nabi, نبی means a person posted at a high position like a Head of a state. Nabi’s personality is accounted among Rajjal’s. A Nabi is a strong character and the implementer of the Wahi. You may study all those verses and suras where the word Nabi has appeared and you will find him:  
 
- Giving orders  
- Making decisions  
- Appointing commanders As Head of a state  
 
The topic of the sura 33 is "walayat-e-nabi" ولایت نبی described in verse 6 of the sura. The subjects discussed are the responsibilities of Nabi . So Rasool cannot be a Rasool without Wahi as he is amessenger of Wahi and Nabi cannot be a Nabi without Wahi as he is the implementer of Wahi.  
 
A Nabi is nabi when he implements the wahy, khatimal nabi when he is appointing nabis at other departments. The appointing authority will be MUHAMMED; at EVERY TIME EVERY ERAS EVERY EPOCHS WHEN A PERSON BUILD THE CHARACTER OF A RUSOOL AND THEN NABI. The one who will be the appointing authority of other nabis must have the qualities of Muahammed, mahmood, ahmadu…  
 
From here you can see this is the topic of surah 33- The subjects discussed are the responsibilities of Nabi .  
It means the accountabilities and duties a Nabi has to impersonate as a Nabi, are discussed in this surah.  
 
النبی is a proper noun because of additional ال .  
 
Now the compound of words بِيِّينَ النَّوَخَاتَمَ appeared only in 33:40  
 
As you may probably notice is that at the word تَم خا there is a زبر over the letter ت , So the paradigm is عَل فا with a زبر over ع  
Similar words the paradigm فاعل ( fa’il ) are کاتب katib قاتل qatil قادر qadir حامل hamil etc  
 
Hopefully you can observe that these words made under this paradigm have an inherent meaning of the person responsible for a given task, a doer / operator / perpetrator. It means that this is a the person behind or in charge of the assignment of khatam nabis  
 
A Qatil is a killer, meaning that a Qatil is the executor of a murder  
 
A Katib is an author, meaningin that the Katib is the author if books  
 
Likewise, a khatim is the one who is khatiming nabis, I.E appointing seal of nabis.  
 
So this is an active living act, which is not possible to do by Muhammed if there is no nabi one can perform this act on. Quoting Ameen Ahsan Islahi at page 239 of Tadabbur -e- Quran Book 6 .  
دونون اھل لغت کے نزدیک بالکل ھم معنی ھین " خاتم Khatim خاتم Khatam  
 
Last man of a nation ,Result of a thing ,Last stamp of a letter , all these things are included in its meanings .”Although neither خاتم with زیر nor خاتم with زبر means to stop.The categorical word meaning the last is not used which is آخر ,this has made the whole confusion .
 
 
Why havn’t we seen anyone now ?  
 
If someone with the Standards and requirements as described of a Rusool and Nabi in detail in the Quran, then creator choses him to lead the nation. Why not? Do you understand this part?  
 
As you can see for the last centuries, the Quranic knowledge has been hijacked by mullah imams, and hadithistic personality worshipping characters have dominated “Islam”. According to 20:40-41 you can see the requirments of a Rusool,which is not a rusool or nabi by birth, but through hard effort and character. These characters are achieved after hard effort and considerings at the phenomenons observable only for the one who look for them.  
 
So next generations, make room for the truth/ Quran, the given characters in the Quran are not fairy tales of super humans, it can be you when the ma samaa reaches your thoughts.


Comments by: Maniza On 10 September 2011
Salam Waseem,  
 
My email manizamirza@hotmail.com. Will continue from there. Thanku

Comments by: moazzam On 10 September 2011
 
Brother Amir Khan, Sister Nargis ! **WHY THE ARABIC QURAN IS THE LAST AND FINAL BOOK**  
 
1) Why the Arabic Quran is last book?  
2) If Muhammad was not the last prophet and If nabi can come even today then why cant he bring the book in English, Urdu, Chinese, French, German?  
3) Is there anything written in Quran about the Arabic Quran being the final message? Please share with me the verse which says Arabic Quran is the final form of Al-Kitaab?.  
Moazzam:  
1) Prior to go into elaboration, the difference between “ALQURAN/ALKITAB AND QURAN/KITAB” must be cleared to you.  
Alkitab/Alquran is an eternal divine message beyond time and space written in loh e Mahfooz(the universe) could be delivered to mankind through any tool of language(not specific in Arabic Alpha bets/characters).  
There is so many kutub/suhuf in Alkitab/Alquran.  
Quran mean to read/ explain /interpret the message written in Alkitab/Alquran to make the people understand.  
Because this Alkitab explains it self in a very clear manners therefore, called “Quran al Arabiyun Mubeen”. To comprehend the sense of “QURAN AL ARABIYUN MUBEEN” read the translation of following verses.  
REMEMBER  
أَعْجَمِي = antonym of عَرَبِيٌّ مُّبِين  
عَرَبِيٌّ مُّبِين= very clear and self explanatory  
 
verse 12/2 إِنَّا أَنزَلْنَاهُ قُرْآنًا عَرَبِيًّا لَّعَلَّكُمْ تَعْقِلُونَ  
Indeed, We have conceived in your mind its message clearly (self explanatory) that you might understand  
13/36  
وَالَّذِينَ آتَيْنَاهُمُ الْكِتَابَ  
يَفْرَحُونَ بِمَا أُنزِلَ إِلَيْكَ وَمِنَ الْأَحْزَابِ مَن يُنكِرُ بَعْضَهُ قُلْ  
إِنَّمَا أُمِرْتُ أَنْ أَعْبُدَ اللّهَ وَلاَ أُشْرِكَ بِهِ إِلَيْهِ أَدْعُو  
وَإِلَيْهِ مَآبِ  
And [the believers among] those to whom We have given the Scripture rejoice at what has been revealed to you, but among the [opposing] factions are those who deny part of it. Say, "I have only been commanded to abide by the Allah’s commandments and not associate [anything] with Him(His message). To Him(His message) I invite, and to Him(His commandments) is my return."  
13/37  
وَكَذَلِكَ أَنزَلْنَاهُ حُكْمًا عَرَبِيًّا  
وَلَئِنِ اتَّبَعْتَ أَهْوَاءَهُم بَعْدَ مَا جَاءَكَ مِنَ الْعِلْمِ مَا لَكَ مِنَ  
اللّهِ مِن وَلِيٍّ وَلاَ وَاق  
And thus We have revealed it as an self explanatory (clear) legislation. And if you should follow their inclinations after what has come to you of knowledge, you would not have against Allah( Mumlikat hkuda dad) any ally or any protector.  
16/103 وَلَقَدْ نَعْلَمُ أَنَّهُمْ يَقُولُونَ  
إِنَّمَا يُعَلِّمُهُ بَشَرٌ لِّسَانُ الَّذِي يُلْحِدُونَ إِلَيْهِ أَعْجَمِي  
وَهَـذَا لِسَانٌ عَرَبِيٌّ مُّبِين  
And We certainly know that they say, "It is only a human being who teaches the Prophet." A non-Articulate person, whereas his explanation/interpretation having very clear message.  
 
20/113  
وَكَذَلِكَ أَنزَلْنَاهُ قُرْآنًا عَرَبِيًّا  
وَصَرَّفْنَا فِيهِ مِنَ الْوَعِيدِ لَعَلَّهُمْ يَتَّقُونَ أَوْ يُحْدِثُ لَهُمْ  
ذِكْرًا  
And thus We have conceived in your mind its message which is very clear/self explanatory and have diversified therein the warnings that perhaps they will avoid [sin] or it would cause them remembrance.  
26/192 -196ُ  
وَإِنَّهُ لَتَنْزِيلُ رَبِّ الْعَالَمِينَ  
نَزَلَ بِهِ الرُّوحُ الْأَمِينُ  
بِلِسَانٍ عَرَبِيٍّ مُّبِينٍ  
وَإِنَّهُ لَفِي زُبُرِ الْأَوَّلِينَ  
And indeed, the( Qur'an) is the revelation of the Lord of the worlds, نَزَلَ بِهِ الرُّوحُ الْأَمِينُIn a clear self explanatory language, And indeed, it( the same message)is in the scriptures of former peoples.  
39/27-28 وَلَقَدْ ضَرَبْنَا لِلنَّاسِ فِي هَذَا الْقُرْآنِ مِن كُلِّ مَثَلٍ لَّعَلَّهُمْ  
يَتَذَكَّرُونَ  
قُرآنًا عَرَبِيًّا غَيْرَ ذِي عِوَجٍ لَّعَلَّهُمْ يَتَّقُونَ  
And We have certainly presented for the people in this الْقُرْآنِ from every [kind of] example - that they might remember. It explains itself clearly without any deviance that they might become righteous.  
41/2-3 تَنْزِيلٌ مِّنَ الرَّحْمَنِ الرَّحِيمِ  
كِتَابٌ فُصِّلَتْ آيَاتُهُ قُرْآنًا عَرَبِيًّا لِّقَوْمٍ يَعْلَمُونَ  
[This is] a revelation from الرَّحْمَنِ الرَّحِيمِ .A Book whose verses have been detailed, (its message is) self explanatory and very clear for a people who know,  
 
42/7  
وَكَذَلِكَ أَوْحَيْنَا إِلَيْكَ قُرْآنًا  
عَرَبِيًّا لِّتُنذِرَ أُمَّ الْقُرَى وَمَنْ حَوْلَهَا وَتُنذِرَ يَوْمَ الْجَمْعِ  
لَا رَيْبَ فِيهِ فَرِيقٌ فِي الْجَنَّةِ وَفَرِيقٌ فِي السَّعِيرِ  
And thus We have revealed to you a self explanatory clear message that you may warn the prominent members of the society and those around them and warn of the Day of Assembly, about which there is no doubt. A party will be in Paradise and a party in the Blaze.  
46/12  
وَمِن قَبْلِهِ كِتَابُ مُوسَى إِمَامًا  
وَرَحْمَةً وَهَذَا كِتَابٌ مُّصَدِّقٌ لِّسَانًا عَرَبِيًّا لِّيُنذِرَ الَّذِينَ  
ظَلَمُوا وَبُشْرَى لِلْمُحْسِنِينَ  
And before it( this chapter) was كِتَابُ مُوسَى(the verses related to moses story) to lead and as a mercy. And this chapter (verses) is a validator in a very clear and self explanatory language to warn those who have wronged and as good tidings to the doers of good.  
41/44  
وَلَوْ جَعَلْنَاهُ قُرْآنًا أَعْجَمِيًّا  
لَّقَالُوا لَوْلَا فُصِّلَتْ آيَاتُهُ أَأَعْجَمِيٌّ وَعَرَبِيٌّ قُلْ هُوَ  
لِلَّذِينَ آمَنُوا هُدًى وَشِفَاءٌ وَالَّذِينَ لَا يُؤْمِنُونَ فِي آذَانِهِمْ  
وَقْرٌ وَهُوَ عَلَيْهِمْ عَمًى أُوْلَئِكَ يُنَادَوْنَ مِن مَّكَانٍ بَعِيدٍ  
And if We had made it(Alquran) a non- clear ambiguous, they would have said, "Why are its verses not explained in detail? Is it non-Articulate [recitation] and an Articulate [messenger]?" Say, "It is, for those who live in peace, a guidance and cure." And those who do not want to live in peace - in their ears is deafness, and it is upon them blindness. Those are being called from a distant place.  
 

Comments by: Nargis On 10 September 2011Report Abuse
Summarized  

Rusul

It is a human being who is observing the reality around him so that Wahy reveals (Nazool) itself to him. His task would be to deliver the message to humanity and make them attentive of the reality as it essentially is, in order to make them active participants of their own mental development and so on. Read all the verses related to Al Rusool and a Rusool. Al Rusool would be the initiator of wahy and the one who first reformed a society, whereas A Rusool would be the one who continue the process.

Nabi

A person whom the wahy has revealed itself to, but he further strive and get on to implement it in the society. In that way the message gets its practical living form, it gets out of the book and manifests itself in the daily life of citizens. It is obvious that he must get the message, apprehend it before he implements it. Nabis tasks would be to - Give orders - Make decisions - Appoint commanders As the Head of a state. Rad all the verses related to Nabi and surah 33  
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Both these qualities are realizable and utilized as a result of effort and strength of mind with the aptitude to act upon the masteries 20:40-41 by any human being at any time.  
 
These characters are restricted to those human beings who are working for it, but not to a specific ethnic group, population, phase, segment or etymological confines.

Language

We are given the Quran which is written in Arabic. Al Rusool, Al Nabi who composed the Quran used a language which is not spoken all over the world. In fact, there is no language which is spoken all over the world by every human being.  
 
But the common aspects you can find everywhere in the world is, the ability to understand, learn and comprehend math, science , messages, zoology, biology , laughter, sadness, depression, happiness and so on. If lack of knowledge is a barrier, then the missing knowledge should be achieved first, in order to understand the higher level. If language is a barrier, then it should be mastered and used as a tool to understand and make others understand. But you can teach math and science to a Chinese and American no matter what language you use as long as the receivers get your point. The formula of science/ math will not change because it is delivered in Chinese or English, the message will be the same no matter how it is conveyed.  
 
So if there is a mathematical formula only written in Arabic, what options do we have in order to employ it in various constructions?We would need to learn the language the formula exists in, so we can further use it all over the world freely of what language people speak.

Ability to use your brain, urge to gain knowledge, feelings who work as signals to your brain (happiness/sadness) and the free will, are all human nature which is not to be changed. That is why the Quran called itself very clear and transparent, easy to understand and easy to follow- That because it’s message is appealing to basic human nature, which is veiled behind dogmas or doctrines, whatever. Its method of managing natural resources will bring prosperity for all and everyone at every time, if individuals allow themselves to ponder and act upon it.  
 
Linguistically, contextually, meaningfully and psychosomatically, it is عَرَبِيٌّ مُّبِين , for those who use their intellect  
 
For those who don’t, it will remain أَعْجَمِي


Comments by: DHULQARNAIN On 10 September 2011Report Abuse
NARGIS,  
 
***AMIRKHAN: Your answers are good in the start but the later parts look like SPECULATION* because Quran tells us about a series of people coming to their nations as rasool and nabi. All these nations had the bad qualities like we have today but still rasools came to them and gave them the message in their own language.***  
 
***NARGIS: That's what we say, Rusools and Nabis will always come. There is no speculation***  
 
There is no speculation?!  
 
44:3 We revealed it on a blessed night— truly We are EVER WARNING.  
 
What was revealed on a blessded night?—Al-Quran.  
 
How is Allah ever warning?..He warns.with Al-Quran.  
 
6:19 Say: What thing is the weightiest in testimony? Say: Allah is witness between you and me. And this Quran has been revealed to me that WITH IT I may WARN you and WHOMSOEVER IT REACHES…  
 
Al-Quran is the ongoing Messenger/warner and whoever recites Al-Quran accurately is, likewise, a messenger/warner.  
 
44:5 A command from Us — truly We are ever sending messengers —  
 
So, unless you can produce the ayat where Allah says He is ever sending nabi’s/prophets, all you are peddling is speculation/conjecture, to wit:  
 
NARGIS: ”Nabi’s will always come” and “In this verse (referring to 3:21 )…So when this verse was revealed to prophet Mohammad there were so many انبیاء and it is a non ending continuous process . Now keeping in mind the verse 21 of sura 3 ( already discussed above ) , which clearly indicates that so many prophets انبیاء were present in the times of prophet Mohammad . This verse no 40 of sura 33 is declaring that Mohammad was the seal of the prophets , which simply means He was the appointing authority of other prophets.”  
 
Ponder the following ayats regarding speculationconjecture:  
 
53:28 And they have no knowledge of it. They follow but conjecture, and surely conjecture avails naught against Truth.  
 
2:78 And some of them are illiterate; they know not the Book but only hearsay, and they do but conjecture.  
 
6:116 And if thou obey most of those in the earth, they will lead thee astray from Allah’s way. They follow naught but conjecture, and they only lie.  
 
The Last Prophet, in ayat 10:15, said the following to those who wanted to bring another Quran other than the one he was given by Allah:  
 
10:15…I follow NOTHING but what is revealed to me. Indeed I fear, if I disobey my Lord, the chastisement of a grievous day.  
 
You see, he followed nothing but what was revealed to him. So, where in Al-Quran was it revealed to him that there would always be nabi’s/prophets? Can you produce the ayat for all to witness and for it to witness you? When you, or anyone, makes such declarative statements as you are doing right now that there will always be nabi’s, and then you cannot name even one, past or present, and can produce no ayat where Allah says there will always be nabi’s, then what you are doing is saying of Allah what you have no knowledge of. Allah, in ayat 7:33, expressly forbids anyone to say of His what you don’t have knowledge of:  
 
7:33 Say: My Lord makes haram only indecencies, …and that you associate with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority, and that you say of Allah what you know not.  
 
When an individual persists in saying of Allah what he/she has no knowledge of, as you are doing regarding this topic on nabi’s, Allah says shaitan is his/her commander:  
 
2:168-169…. Surely he is an open enemy to you. He commands on you only evil and indecency, and that you speak against Allah what you know not.  
 
Many, if not all of the prophets said this, as did “Muhammad” in ayat 10:15.  
 
10:15 Indeed I fear, if I disobey my Lord, the chastisement of a grievous day.  
 
Do you truly fear the chastisement of a Grievous Day? If so, you will stop disobeying 7:33 and saying of Allah, His Angels, His Books, His Messengers, His Prophets, and His Deen that which you do not have the knowledge of.  
 
Listen, despite our disagreement I do like you. I’m just a clear warner to you…of a Grievous Day.  
 
Oh, and this isn’t a Christian warning…it is a warning from Allah, the lord of the worlds.  
 
Can't say you weren't warned...  
 
Dhulqarnain-  
 
 
*CAPS by me.  

Comments by: DHULQARNAIN On 10 September 2011Report Abuse
NARGIS,  
 
***NARGIS: Nabi A person whom the wahy has revealed itself to, but he further strive and get on to implement it in the society. In that way the message gets its practical living form, it gets out of the book and manifests itself in the daily life of citizens. It is obvious that he must get the message, apprehend it before he implements it. Nabis tasks would be to - Give orders - Make decisions - Appoint commanders As the Head of a state. Rad all the verses related to Nabi and surah 33  
Both these qualities are realizable and utilized as a result of effort and strength of mind with the aptitude to act upon the masteries 20:40-41 by any human being at any time. These characters are restricted to those human beings who are working for it, but not to a specific ethnic group, population, phase, segment or etymological confines.***  
 
Hmmm…”these qualities are realizable…”/ "In this verse (referring to 3:21 )…So when this verse was revealed to prophet Mohammad there were so many انبیاء and it is a non ending continuous process."  
 
Given how you described the qualities of a nabi that they are realizable and it's a never ending process, why then, can you not point to one single individual at the time of “Muhammad”, and since his time, that possessed or possesses these qualities and label him---nabi? These qualities don’t appear to be super-human. Am I wrong?  
 
1. Are you saying that not one single individual, in all of this time, by your definition, has been a nabi?!  
 
2. Are you still…looking?  
 
3. What if you nor the others...ever find one? How would that impact 3:21 and 33:40?  
 
4. How about this at least, are there any CANDIDATES for the position of nabi who you can point us to?  
 
Dhulqarnain-  

Comments by: Amirkhan On 10 September 2011Report Abuse
Sister Nargis, brother Dhulqarnain and brother Moazzam I am very thankful to all of you for discussing my questions in detail. Special thanks to my sister who gave a lengthy explanation on Rasool, Nabi and Al-Kitaab. Mr. Moazzam I think I am getting your point that Quran / Kitaab are to be seen separately from Al Quran/Al Kitaab. Your point is very valid and I understand the meaning of Al Kitaabb now. Thanks  
After so many lengthy discussions everything else is clear to me but I am not satisfied with your reply to one of my my question that if Quran says nabi will come whenever he is required then why no nabi came to us during last many centuries when humanity is suffering the most? My sister said herself that if Mohammed is needed to appoint Nabis, then he will come as needed, time and again and again but she is not answering me to my satisfaction that why Muhammad has not come in last many centuries when humanity is suffering the most and why nabi and rasools came time and time again in the past. Your answer that (If someone with the Standards and requirements as described of a Rusool and Nabi in detail in the Quran, then creator choses him to lead the nation. Why not?) and (As you can see for the last centuries, the Quranic knowledge has been hijacked by mullah imams, and hadithistic personality worshipping characters have dominated Islam) are both not satisfactory because nabi came to previous nations for the same reason but no one came to us and people before us in last few centuries. I dont want to waste your time so please reply very clearly if you can and if you have no good answer then no problem I dont mind. I respect all three of you great scholars of this blog sister Nargis, brother Dhulqarnain and brother Moazzam.

Comments by: Nargis On 10 September 2011Report Abuse
my my question that if Quran says nabi will come whenever he is required then why no nabi came to us during last many centuries when humanity is suffering the most?

Dear brother  
The humanity suffers and need a Rusool and Nabi, but the conditions must be fulfilled. Unfortunately it is not like; today we need a Rusool, so he will jump out from the bushes :(  
 
The conditions sat: - 20/113 وَكَذَلِكَ أَنزَلْنَاهُ قُرْآنًا عَرَبِيًّا  
وَصَرَّفْنَا فِيهِ مِنَ الْوَعِيدِ لَعَلَّهُمْ يَتَّقُونَ أَوْ يُحْدِثُ لَهُمْ  
ذِكْرًا  
And thus we have conceived in your mind its message which is very clear/self explanatory and have diversified therein the warnings that perhaps they will avoid [sin] or it would cause them remembrance. Orthodox translation  
 
This means the message must FIRST be conceived, decoded, comprehended as it is intended by its originator, in the mind of the Rusool. As long as he doesn’t conceive it, he can’t help the “needy” suffering societies.  
 
40 & 41 of sura 20  
فَلَبِثْتَ سِنِينَ فِي أَهْلِ مَدْيَنَ ثُمَّ جِئْتَ عَلَىٰ قَدَرٍ يَا مُوسَىٰ  
 
Then You stayed a number of years with the people of Madyan . Then you came according to a parameter  
صْطَنَعْتُكَ لِنَفْسِي  
 
And then I selected you for myself  
 
So the condition is that a Rusool must first get the wahy BEFORE he delivers it. We need education badly in our countries, but teachers won’t be teachers by birth, Universities won’t build themselves. Human beings, who will later become teachers, need the sufficient tools and knowledge to transform them to the most needed teacher.  
 
The universities need builders, the builders need the will to construct and so on. Nothing happens by itself, here at planet earth one must work hard for it.We are talking about Rusools and Nabis, not ROBOTS.


Comments by: DHULQARNAIN On 11 September 2011Report Abuse
Nargis,  
 
AMIRKHAN: my my question that if Quran says nabi will come whenever he is required then why no nabi came to us during last many centuries when humanity is suffering the most?  
 
***NARGIS: ”Nabi’s will always come” and “In this verse (referring to 3:21 )…So when this verse was revealed to prophet Mohammad there were so many انبیاء and it is a non ending continuous process . Now keeping in mind the verse 21 of sura 3 ( already discussed above ) , which clearly indicates that so many prophets انبیاء were present in the times of prophet Mohammad . This verse no 40 of sura 33 is declaring that Mohammad was the seal of the prophets , which simply means He was the appointing authority of other prophets.”***  
 
***NARGIS:So the condition is that a Rusool must first get the wahy BEFORE he delivers it. We need education badly in our countries, but teachers won’t be teachers by birth, Universities won’t build themselves. Human beings, who will later become teachers, need the sufficient tools and knowledge to transform them to the most needed teacher. The universities need builders, the builders need the will to construct and so on. Nothing happens by itself, here at planet earth one must work hard for it.We are talking about Rusools and Nabis, not ROBOTS.***  
 
Nargis, the topic of our discussion is nabi, not rasul. Amirkhan and myself are requesting that you address term nabi. You made no mention of rasul in your above original assertion concerning nabi. Allah, per ayat 44:5, has already ruled that there would be ongoing rasuls. You are purposely attempting to confuse and fuse nabi with rasul and make them the same thing which they are not. Some of Allah’s rasuls are angels and non-prophet humans. It is both Quranically inaccurate and disingenuous of you to continue to fuse these terms. Your motive for doing this is quite clear—you cannot prove your original assertion that prophets existed at the time of “Muhammad” or that the prophethood is an ongoing process, hence, the more you are attempting to bring the term rasul into the discussion.  
 
Dhulqarnain-  

Comments by: DHULQARNAIN On 11 September 2011Report Abuse
Amikhan,  
 
***AMIRKHAN: my my question that if Quran says nabi will come whenever he is required then why no nabi came to us during last many centuries when humanity is suffering the most?***  
 
First, thank you for you kind words earlier.  
 
As you can see, neither Nargis nor the other Aastana Blog members will admit that they are wrong concerning their position on ongoing nabis. They are just too proud, and, as a result of their pride, they are doing, as the Ritualist so-called Muslims have done/are doing, forsaken Al-Quran.  
 
There is no need any more nabis and that is why Allah at 33:40 labeled “Muhammad” as the Al-Khatim Nabiyeen or The Last of the Prophets. Prophets, or at least some of them anyway, brought a book to their respective peoples. Al-Quran/The Guidance, which was given to the Last Prophet, was intended for all of mankind, hence, what other book can possibly be sent to mankind which would do something different than Al-Quran—The Perfect Guidance? What is needed today isn’t a prophet, but Muslims. The Muslim submits to Allah, meaning, the Muslim obeys Allah’s commands. Just imagine how much would change if humanity was to simply follow the Guidance?  
 
I hope at some point Nargis, for your sake (one who is seeking knowledge and understanding), will come forward and admit that she cannot prove her assertion, and simply admit that “Muhammad” was the Last of the Prophets. It is wrong to insult people’s intelligence and that is what she is doing by maintaining her erroneous position regarding 3:21 and 33:40.  
 
44:5 A command from Us — truly We are ever sending messengers---  
 
Amirkhan, don’t you think that Allah, had He wanted to, He could have just as easily said…”We are ever sending prophets”? But He didn’t because He told us the deal concerning prophets in ayat 33:40, to wit:  
 
33:40 Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but he is the Messenger of Allah and the Seal of the prophets. And Allah is ever Knower of all things.  
 
If you are to continue to discuss this issue with Nargis, then you must insist that she not bring rasul/messenger into the discussion, but remained focused on “prophets”, otherwise, the discussion will veer off into total confusion.  
 
Dhulqarnain-  

Comments by: moazzam On 11 September 2011
Brother AmirKhan!It is very much clear to all of us ,that, the personality of Nabi/Rasool are not Supper human,rather they are like ordinary human being(with the qualities mentioned in Alquran.  
The "sunnatullah" described in Alquran regarding continuation of Risalat/Nabuwat has already been enlightened comprehensively (with no stone left unturned). You have to agree or disagree on the bases of arguments and quranic references.  
As far as your question regarding identification and presence of any Rasool/Nabi in present/past era is concerns, we also are at the same platform as you are, to visualize them as per their qualifications written in Alkita. I 100% agree with Sister Nargis stance at the issue under question, the risalat/nabuwat is not predestined rather, depends upon the efforts of a person, the appointment of Moses, Dawood, Loot as a prophet are evident also see the verse  
وَمِنَ اللَّيْلِ فَتَهَجَّدْ بِهِ نَافِلَةً لَّكَ عَسَى أَن يَبْعَثَكَ رَبُّكَ  
مَقَامًا  
مَّحْمُودً  
 
If any body who qualifies the prophet hood and delivering the message verified by Alkitab could be Nabi/Rasool to his nation no matter what language he speaks and which country he belongs to, it is up to you/his nation whether recognize him or not. Don’t stuck at Arabic proper noun(name)  
 
 
 

Comments by: naeem sheikh On 11 September 2011Report Abuse
BROTHER MOAZZAM; ARE YOU/DR QAMAR ARE THE MESSENGER OF ALLAH, AND ALL THE HEADS OF THE WELFARE STATES (IF THEIR CONSTITUTION MATCHES WITH ALKITAB) ARE NABI ???  
 

Comments by: moazzam On 11 September 2011
UNDERSTAND A VERY SIMPLE POINT; ANY INTELLECTUAL WHO IS UNDERSTANDING AND INTERPRETING THE GUIDANCE/MESSAGE HIDDEN (GAIB) IN THE UNIVERSE (ESPECIALLY LAWS/VALUES IN THE FIELD OF HUMANITIES) AND FULFILL THE QURANIC REQUIRMENTS, WOULD BE CALLED RASOOL ALLAH AND (sure, his message will be vet by Alkitab the MUHAIMON AL ALAIH)

Comments by: Nargis On 11 September 2011Report Abuse

Agreed 100 % with brilliant brother Moazzam-One thing one must understand is that this book is a living book. It is not restricted to one period or people. It will be valid in every era for everyone, so

EVERYTHING THE QURAN SAYS, IR RECOGNIZABLE, PERCEPTIBLE, COMPREHENSIBLE, REASONABLE AND REACHABLE BY THE HUMAN MIND/ KIND

It’s only giving information about characters we can comprehend and develop, events that we relate to and understand how to handle, i.e. everything that exists and we can calculate so it can be utilized. Otherwise there would be no point to give this book to mankind, should have given it to those who understands it.  
 
What is the point in sending book which is not practical and its functions are not to be performed by humankind, if they are only performable by few “super humans” in the past?  
 
Who would give his girlfriend an empty box of chocolates as a birthday / Valentine's gift?  
Who will try to make his wife pregnant while using contraception?  
 
what's the point?  
 
**If Rusool will come all the time, then Nabi will also come. Nabi never implements something new, dissimilar than the Rusool, he implement what he had as a Rusool, namely Wahy.  
 
One who studied law is to become a lawyer and later judge.  
 
What is the point of saying: -  
 
we will send lawyers, but judges will never come?  
We will send medicine, but physician will never come  
We send the economy system but not the economists  
We will have the ministry of finance, but we won’t have Finance ministers  
We send politicians but we do not need any Parliament  
We will send the recipe for a state but not the Prime Minister  
 
We will send the recipe (Wahy) for the establishment of a state, and people who master the knowledge perfectly (Rusools), but we won’t send the president to establish (Nabi) this knowledge (Deen/Salaat/ Islam)  
 
Does it make sense?

“It is hard to convince a high-school student that he will encounter a lot of problems more difficult than those of algebra and geometry.”

Edgar Watson Howe

Comments by: Amirkhan On 11 September 2011Report Abuse
My brother Dhulqarnain, my sister Nargis and my brother Moazzam you all are good knowledgeable persons and I salute you all. Please forgive me if I am wrong but I can see a difference in your opinions on the topic of Al Kitaab, Nabi and rasool. Brother Dhulqarnain is looking at AL Kittab, rasool and nabi with a religious view but brother Moazzam and sister Nargis are of pragmatic view. I dont know what is correct and what is incorrect but the arguments of sister Nargis and the logic of brother Moazzam are very convincing but the questions of brother Dhulqarnain are also very important because he want to know the same thing I want to know. May be brother Dhulqarnain is more firm in his belief so he is not convinced with any argument and I am not strong in my belief so I am convinced with the arguments of sister Nargis and brother Moazzam. But I am still saying one thing that I am convinced with brother Moazzam and sister Nargis on everything but the last question I aksed is still not clear. Sister Nargis wrote so many things and I am happy to say that she answered so many questions for me which were in my mind from a long time and no one was answering me. She convinced me on everything except one point. Brother Moazzam is a good scholar too and his comments are shore but very effective. Like I agree with him on everything, I also agree with him on what he wrote in his last comments that ((It is very much clear to all of us ,that, the personality of Nabi/Rasool are not Supper human,rather they are like ordinary human being (with the qualities mentioned in Alquran)). And he is a big hearted person because he accepted in front of me that the same question I am asking is a question for him too when he said (As far as your question regarding identification and presence of any Rasool/Nabi in present/past era is concerns, we also are at the same platform as you are) and he also wrote that (I 100% agree with Sister Nargis stance at the issue under question, the risalat/nabuwat is not predestined rather, depends upon the efforts of a person, the appointment of Moses, Dawood, Loot as a prophet are evident )). I agree with both sister nargis and brother moazzam on this point too. But one point which is very important is still unclear and without getting a clear answer I will always stay in confusion. Please forgive me for my words but I can see that both the respected scholars are looking at only one side of the coin. You both yourself are saying that Al Kitaab is a universal book and rasools are not super human beings but they are people like you and me and they are also universal. Then why sister Nargis is looking at this only in one direction when she is saying (As you can see for the last centuries, the Quranic knowledge has been hijacked by mullah imams, and hadithistic personality worshipping characters have dominated “Islam”). My sister you are talking about a very small number of human beings who are following mullah, imams and hadith. Majority of people on this earth who live in western countries are not following any imam, hadith or mullah. What is wrong with these people that no nabi is coming to them too? My sister you also are saying that ((The humanity suffers and need a Rusool and Nabi, but the conditions must be fulfilled. Unfortunately it is not like; today we need a Rusool, so he will jump out from the bushes )) I think this is a very unclear answer because it is giving me no meaning. You also said that (This means the message must FIRST be conceived, decoded, comprehended as it is intended by its originator, in the mind of the Rusool. As long as he doesn’t conceive it, he can’t help the “needy” suffering societies. )) I agree with this answer. You are also saying that (Agreed 100 % with brilliant brother Moazzam-One thing one must understand is that this book is a living book. It is not restricted to one period or people. It will be valid in every era for everyone,) but then I am also getting a signal that the message is not restricted to arabic language only but it is also written on loh e mahfooz and whoever can concieve it is a rasool. I understand from this that the message is not necessary the Quran we read, but it can also be learned from our life and other sources. But no one learned this message from any source in the last many centuries. Why no one conceived this message from quran or loh e mahfooz during so many years after Mohammad (PBUH) left the world? I also agree with you when you are saying that (It’s only giving information about characters we can comprehend and develop, events that we relate to and understand how to handle, i.e. everything that exists and we can calculate so it can be utilized. Otherwise there would be no point to give this book to mankind, should have given it to those who understands it. ) but I see people in different parts of the world learning many things like science, biology, chemistry, physics history, literature, arts, accounting, finance, business but no one is learning wahy. Please tell me what is the exact difference between those who learned wahy and us who are not learning wahy? Why people became rasool and nabi in plder nations and why not today? My sister you and brother moazzam and brother Dhulqarnain are all knowledgeable people on this blog and you all say that you understand Quran very well so I am expecting a reasonable answer from you all. Do you all understand what is right and what is wrong with our earth today? What are the right activities we are doing and what are the wrong things we are doing? What is different between us and the older nations that no rasool or nabi is conceiving the message today? Please do not give unclear answers because I really want to know what Quran says about the the activities people of earth are doing today and I want to know why no one is conceiving the wahy like older nations mentioned in Quran. If you dont know what is wrong and what is right in todays world then you cannot give a good answer to my question so please be honest and answer only if you have a proper answer for my question. I am sorry if I wrote anything harsh.

Comments by: DHULQARNAIN On 11 September 2011Report Abuse
Moazzam and Nargis,  
 
***MOAZZAM: Brother AmirKhan!It is very much clear to all of us ,that, the personality of Nabi/Rasool are not Supper human,rather they are like ordinary human being(with the qualities mentioned in Alquran. The "sunnatullah" described in Alquran regarding continuation of Risalat/Nabuwat has already been enlightened comprehensively (with no stone left unturned). You have to agree or disagree on the bases of arguments and quranic references. ***  
 
Moazzam, why are you and Nargis continuing to blatantly mislead Amirkhan? Why are you insisting upon fusing nabi and rasul and then proffering that nabi/rasuls are one in the same thing since “Muhammad” and, that they are an ongoing class of people? Allah, in His Quran, has nowhere revealed that nabi/rasul would be an ongoing class of people, nowhere. He did, however, make it abundantly clear that only rasuls/messengers would be an ongoing class of people. Our original discussion was about nabi alone, to wit:  
 
***NARGIS: ”Nabi’s will always come” and “In this verse (referring to 3:21 )…So when this verse was revealed to prophet Mohammad there were so many انبیاء and it is a non ending continuous process . Now keeping in mind the verse 21 of sura 3 ( already discussed above ) , which clearly indicates that so many prophets انبیاء were present in the times of prophet Mohammad . This verse no 40 of sura 33 is declaring that Mohammad was the seal of the prophets , which simply means He was the appointing authority of other prophets.”***  
 
You see? No mention of rasuls, just nabi, but because I’ve, via Al-Quran/Alah’s Words, shown you that the prophets ended with “Muhammad”, and, rather than just accepting that fact, now you want to attempt to salvage your assertion by attempting to sneak in the terms rasul/messenger and sunnat of Allah. It’s not going to work and it is very disingenuous and misleading of you both to do this. What you are both doing, by doing this, is assigning a lie to Allah and He has warned us all of the penalty for that behavior, but I guess you don’t believe that either.  
 
In your following quote, you drop nabi altogehter...why is that?  
 
***MOAZZAM: UNDERSTAND A VERY SIMPLE POINT; ANY INTELLECTUAL WHO IS UNDERSTANDING AND INTERPRETING THE GUIDANCE/MESSAGE HIDDEN (GAIB) IN THE UNIVERSE (ESPECIALLY LAWS/VALUES IN THE FIELD OF HUMANITIES) AND FULFILL THE QURANIC REQUIRMENTS, WOULD BE CALLED RASOOL ALLAH AND (sure, his message will be vet by Alkitab the MUHAIMON AL ALAIH)***  
 
Anyway, we know why, eh?  
 
***MOAZZAM: As far as your question regarding identification and presence of any Rasool/Nabi in present/past era is concerns, we also are at the same platform as you are, to visualize them as per their qualifications written in Alkita***  
 
And there you have it, again! You cannot prove your assertion, because it un-Quranic!, don’ t you get that simple fact yet?! What did Nargis say?...”I’m looking…too”. Its been 14 centuries since the death of “Muhammad”, yet, neither you nor Nargis, nor anyone else for that matter, can identify even one so-called prophet. How is that possible?! Listen, the span between Isa and “Muhammad”, according to history, was 6 centuries, yet, it’s been more than twice that time since the death of “Muhammad”, but still not either of you can identify even one individual as a nabi. Yet, despite your inability to prove your assertion, still, you press forward, nonetheless, as if what you’re saying is Quranic Truth! You cannot find a nabi/prophet nor will you ever find a nabi/prophet! WAKE UP!! They ended with The Rasul-Nabi “Muhammad”—Al-Khatim Nabiyeen/ The Last of the Prophets…14 centuries ago.  
 
Moazzam, what you need to do is understand the following ayats and realize there is no overcoming them. They are why you made this admission today: “As far as your question regarding identification and presence of any Rasool/Nabi in present/past era is concerns, we also are at the same platform as you are…”.  
 
33:40 Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but he is the Messenger of Allah and the Seal of the prophets. And Allah is ever Knower of all things.  
 
No prophets after” Muhammad”  
 
44:5 A command from Us — truly We are ever sending messengers —  
 
But there will be ongoing rasuls/messengers…not ongoing nabis/prophets.  
 
These two ayats puts an end to your assertion and you need to accept that fact and move on.  
 
The only reasons why you, Nargis, and the others, won’t withdraw your assertion regarding 3:21 and 33:40, are due to Pride and Superstition.  
 
Pride has been defined as: the denial/unacceptance of the truth.  
 
Superstition has been defined as: the maintaining of a notion despite the evidence against it.  
 
Let me ask you the following:  
 
Is your pride and superstitious notions worth more to you than serving Allah?  
 
Is your pride worth more to you that you’re willing to mislead an innocent believer?  
 
Is your pride and superstitious notions worth more to you than your credibility?  
 
Is your pride and superstitious notions worth more to you than your soul?  
 
As Isa is reported to have said in the bible, and I’m paraphrasing now, “What profits the man that gains the world and loses his soul; for what will a man sell his soul?”  
 
I know it’s anathema for you to admit that you are inaccurate on this and I’m not, I get that, but remember it’s not me who has shown you your inaccuracy in this matter; it is Allah who has shown you your inaccuracy in this particular discussion. Listen, if you think by admitting that you’re inaccurate in this regard that I’m going to make fun of you or in some way throw it in your face you’re wrong. I’m wouldn’t do that, because then I would be mocking Allah.  
 
Listen,as I see you people at this time:  
 
1. You’re in opposition to Allah not for Him.  
 
2. You’re not researchers…you’re editorialist, and poor ones at that.  
 
Stop deceiving yourselves, but especially stop deceiving Amirkhan.  
 
Dhulqarnain-  
 
 

Comments by: DHULQARNAIN On 11 September 2011Report Abuse
Amirkhan,  
 
***AMIRKHAN:Brother Dhulqarnain is looking at AL Kittab, rasool and nabi with a religious view but brother Moazzam and sister Nargis are of pragmatic view. I dont know what is correct and what is incorrect but the arguments of sister Nargis and the logic of brother Moazzam are very convincing but the questions of brother Dhulqarnain are also very important because he want to know the same thing I want to know. May be brother Dhulqarnain is more firm in his belief so he is not convinced with any argument and I am not strong in my belief so I am convinced with the arguments of sister Nargis and brother Moazzam….My sister you and brother moazzam and brother Dhulqarnain are all knowledgeable people on this blog and you all say that you understand Quran very well so I am expecting a reasonable answer from you all. Do you all understand what is right and what is wrong with our earth today?***  
 
First, thank you for your interest and excellent comments.  
 
Let’s see if I’m religious or pragmatic.  
 
PRAGMATIC: dealing with things sensibly and realistically in a way that is based on practical rather than theoretical considerations hardheaded: guided by practical experience and observation rather than theory.  
RELIGIOUS: relating to or manifesting faithful devotion to an acknowledged ultimate reality or deity.  
 
From the above definitions, as you can see, I’m both, however, I follow no religion…I follow only Deen Al-Islam.  
 
As a “religious” person I do have a faithful devotion to Allah, however, I am not “religious” in the sense you might mean, that is, I have no rituals whatsoever, I utter any religious incantations, nor do I wear anything which can be construed as religious. I follow Al-Quran only and alone for my guidance as instructed to do by Allah.  
 
Now, am I pragmatic in my views? Well let’s see.  
 
In discussing anything concerning Allah, His Angels, His Books, His Messengers, His Prophets, and His Deen, I keep the following ayats firmly in mind. I hope you will as well.  
 
1) 6:106 Follow what is revealed to you from your Lord; there is no god but He; and withdraw from the polytheists.  
 
Here Allah tells His servant to only follow what ie revealed from Him, hence, that is what I do. That’s pragmatic, right? If one says he/she serves Allah, then why would he/she follow something else for their guidance other than what He revealed? So, yes, I am pragmatic.  
 
2) 4:87 Allah, there is no god but He-- He will most certainly gather you together on the resurrection day, there is no doubt in it; and who is more true in word than Allah?  
 
Here Allah tells His servants that there is no doubt about the Day of Resurrection. Now, on the Day of Resurrection the soul will be given either Heaven or given Hell. Given great Truth what human being in their right mind mind would even flirt with going to Hell for eternity? To want to avoid Hell, to me anyway, is the height of pragmatism. Even here in this life we strive to all we can to avoid pain and displeasure, yes? So, yes, I want to avoid Hell..don’t you? To want to avoid Hell is very pragmatic.  
 
3) 7:33 Say: My Lord has only prohibited indecencies, those of them that are apparent as well as those that are concealed, and sin and rebellion without justice, and that you associate with Allah that for which He has not sent down any authority, and that you say against Allah what you do not know.  
 
Here in this ayat, Allah tells His servants to say nothing of Him without His Authority (Al-Quran is the authority which are His Words) and to say nothing about Him of which one has not the knowledge. I ask you, what can be more pragmatic than not say of Allah, or anything else for that matter, of what one does not have the knowledge of? People get sued or imprisoned or injured or even killed, because they will say something of someone without knowledge. What can be more pragmatic then, than knowing what one is talking about? This why I insist on proof when it comes to saying anything about Allah, His Angels, His Books, His Messengers, His Prophets, and His Deen.  
 
4) 17:36 And follow not that of which you have not the knowledge; surely the hearing and the sight and the heart, all of these, shall be questioned about that.  
 
In ayat 17:36, as with ayat 7:33, Allah is commanding His servants to follow nothing of which they have not the knowledge i.e. proof of, especially, when it comes to Him, His Angels, His Books, His Messengers, His Prophets, and His Deen.  
 
5) 21:24 Or, have they taken gods besides Him? Say: Bring your proof; this is the reminder of those with me and the reminder of those before me. Nay! most of them do not know the truth, so they turn aside.  
 
This ayat demands that when one is talking about Allah, His Angels, His Books, His Messengers, His Prophets, and His Deen, that they bring irrefutable proof of what they are asserting.  
 
Amirkhan, given the above five ayats, and my commitment to following them, do I appear to anything other than pragmatic?  
 
So, back to the discussion. Nargis and Moazzam claim that:  
 
1. “Muhammad” was not Al-Khatim Nabiyeen/The Last/End of the Prophets.  
 
2. There were prophets/nabis at the same time as “Muhammad”.  
 
3. That prophets/nabis are an ongoing class of people.  
 
Now, I ask you as reasonable person and fellow truth-seeker, is it “religious” of me then to demand, as Allah has instructed me/us to do, and ask for Moazzam and Nargis to prove their assertions beyond any doubt? Is my insisting that they do so anything but pragmatic, given ayats 7:33; 17:36 and 21:24? I cannot see how.  
 
So, , I ask you as reasonable person and fellow truth-seeker, thus far, have either Nargis or Moazzam proven their above three assertions? Both you and I have repeatedly asked them to identify just one individual in 14 centuries which proves that there were prophets at the time of “Muhammad” or prophets since his death up to the present. Both have admitted that they cannot provide any name, hence, they cannot prove their assertion, yet, they won’t withdraw it, but continue to preach it as if were the Truth from Allah!  
 
You may have noticed that as I pressed them for proof that they began to sneak in rasul along with nabi. They did this knowing full well that the discussion isn’t about rasuls/messengers, but about nabis. They have attempted this obvious sleight-of-hand, because they know that at the time of “Muhammad” and right up to today, there were/are many messengers of Allah ( and Allah says this isn ayat 44:5: We are forever sending messenger—“), but they also know full that Allah revealed no such thing as “ongoing nabis/prophets”, hence, to make a nabi seem like a rasul now is dishonest and deceiving. If they wish to say that there are nabi/rasuls today, then:  
 
1.They must still identify someone, by name, who is both nabi/rasul at the same time.  
 
Remember, nabi and rasul are not interchangeable, they are different things. They know they are not being honest with you, me or themselves, yet, they will not rescind their inacccurate assertions. Anyone, both prior to and after the death of "Muhamamd", who delivers Al-Quran/The Words of Allah to others accurately is a rasul/messengers.  
 
So, again, I ask you as reasonable person and fellow truth-seeker…who is the pragmatic party then, Moazamm and Nargis, who cannot prove what they’ve stated about Allah, or me for following what Allah has revealed i.e. ayats 6:06, 7:33, 17:36, and 21:24, and demanding that they do prove their assertion or withdraw it? Do not let them fuse nabi with rasul. Demand that they prove that nabis existed at the time of “Muhammad” and that they exist today by giving you at least one name. If they cannot do this, then you will know that they are religious, they are following religion, they are being dishonest, and are far from being pragmatic.  
 
Amirkhan, if I’m not being pragmatic, per Al-Quran/The Words of Allah, then please do not hesitate to show me.  
 
Don't misunderstand Amikhan, I do like Nargis and Moazzam, they are highly intelligent people, howver, they are inaccurate regarding 3:21 and 33:40.  
 
Dhulqarnain-  
 

Comments by: Nargis On 11 September 2011Report Abuse
Brother Dhulqarnain is looking at AL Kittab, rasool and nabi with a religious view but brother Moazzam and sister Nargis are of pragmatic view.

Yes dear brother, you are right. Dhulqarnain is using orthodox translations and don’t know Arabic or its grammar. That's why he is insisting on his view which are based on orthodox translations, and not his own research. That's why he look at it from outside and therefore asks for names the Quran never mentioned. We don't go outside the Quran and keep it to its own words.  
 
He does not understand that the word khatim is under the paradigm of fail and other words under this paradigm are katib, hamil, qadir, etc. He does not understand how a word under this paradigm works, so he translates it as the last of prophets instead of khatim of prophets.  
 
He distinguishes between Rusool and Nabi in the orthodox way, whereas we say Nabi is same as Rusool but his tasks are to implement what risalat. This is understood through the responsibilities of Nabi as described in the Quran, especially surah 33. If we keep it to the orthodox translation, everything will be written for the past and of past events, the book will just be a book of myths and history, if you look at it through its own language and grammar, it suddenly talk and appear to be very much alive. Dhulqarnain don’t know what the Quran says, he only knows what his translators say and he is happy with it.  
 
That appeals to his mind and he is free to think like that. That's the beauty of the Quran, it teaches you that everyone is free to believe whatever they likes. We do not believe in convincing, either you study and agree, or study and disagree.  
 
My dear brother, here the responsibility is on your shoulders, either you study in depth and verify our version, or you accept the other views as presented for the last 1400 years

I don’t know what is correct and what is incorrect but the arguments of sister Nargis and the logic of brother Moazzam are very convincing but the questions of brother Dhulqarnain are also very important because he want to know the same thing I want to know.

Here we can’t help you; you have to check out the arguments and the validity of them. Secondly, the Quran does not give names, it only give you attributes. So we cannot produce names, we can only recognize the attributes. You can do the same. Go to China, Tibet or anywhere you want, look at the attributes and see in the Quran, compare them with the people you think have them, and calculate for you if someone corresponds for the description in the Quran.

May be brother Dhulqarnain is more firm in his belief so he is not convinced with any argument and I am not strong in my belief so I am convinced with the arguments of sister Nargis and brother Moazzam.

Our arguments are only given to the one who wants to know, when he know, he can chose to study them in depth, and then reject or accept. We only present our version. The Quran is not a book of myths and beliefs, it is a book of knowledge and knowledge is to be confirmed, verified and then employed. So your conviction may be based on studies of the Quran in its own language and method of rattal and tasreef, or you can study Qadiyani translations.


Comments by: Nargis2 On 11 September 2011Report Abuse
You both yourselves are saying that Al Kitab is a universal book and Rusools are not super human beings but they are people like you and me and they are also universal. Then why sister Nargis is looking at this only in one direction when she is saying (As you can see for the last centuries, the Quranic knowledge has been hijacked by mullah imams, and hadithistic personality worshipping characters have dominated “Islam”). My sister you are talking about a very small number of human beings who are following mullah, imams and hadith. Majority of people on this earth who live in western countries are not following any imam, hadith or mullah.

You are right, it is only a small portion of human beings who are following mullah Islam compared to rest of the world. I compared it to the "Quranists"  
 
We say AlKitab is in loohe Mahfouz, ANYONE who is preaching or working for the betterment of humanity and its progression is “Allah’s banda”.  
 
What would you call the inventor of medicines who saved lives? What is his attributes and where did he get the knowledge from?  
 
What would you call those people who discovered formulas in the nature, and enabled humanity to invented technology as we see it? What attributes do these people have and where did they get their knowledge from?  
 
What would you call people like Sir Syed Ahmed Khan, Mohammed Ali Jinnah, allama Parwez, Allama Iqbal, Malcolm x, Martin Luther King, Mother Theresa , and other people who informed the humanity and brought them to the light or worked for it?  
 
Those who hijacked the meanings of words in the Quran, in order to mislead humanity, what would you call them and what are their attributes?  
 
What would you call a person who thinks Nabi and Rusools came with divine knowledge and spoke directly to Allah, but gave us a book full of myths and glorified people who will never come or endow us with their brilliance ever again?  
 
What would you call people who hinder you from thinking and want you to blindly follow their hadith or qadiyani translation? What would be their attributes and why they don't want you to think? What are they scared of?  
 
What would you call a person who makes you think Allah don’t want you to study his book in the given language, but rather wants you to study the Quran through Qadiyani translations? What attributes would such a person posses and how will he lead mankind out from darkness to the light (Quran) ?  
 
It’s now up to you to study and find out the Quran. Astana’s responsibility is to provide you the knowledge in the Quran based purely on its own language and grammar. If it is talking about an attribute, then we cannot show you a name which is not mentioned there, sorry :- )  
 
We cannot and will not provide something the Quran didn't mention. Otherwise there is not difference between us and the mullah's. Don't know about others, but me surely won't like to be compared with them. I don't have beard.  
 

but I see people in different parts of the world learning many things like science, biology, chemistry, physics history, literature, arts, accounting, finance, business but no one is learning wahy. Please tell me what is the exact difference between those who learned wahy and us who are not learning wahy?

I think you got it :) The Quran is given to take mankind out from darkness to the light 14:1. Now have a look around and see the difference between darkness and light, and people who want to keep you in darkness vs those who leads you to the light.  
 
Darkness`= Stagnation/ Religion, fantasy personalities/ No thinking, no pondering, blindly follow a belief  
Light = Progression/ freedom from mental shackles, ability to make a change for the betterment for environment and humanity.  
 
So you got your answers, if you agree it is attributes, then recognize them through their attributes and not through their birth names or titles.  
 
Look at the substance , not the shadow. It's your responsibility to reflect upon the Quran and the world around you.  
 
"Don’t tell me God or creation, good or bad, right or wrong, just be my craved thirst leading to progression"


Comments by: Nargis On 11 September 2011Report Abuse
I want to know why no one is conceiving the wahy like older nations mentioned in Quran.

 
Here you have to help me out, HOW did the people conceive wahy in older nations in contrast to today's nations?

What is different between us and the older nations that no rasool or nabi is conceiving the message today?

Do you think this is written in the Quran or books of world history?  
 
If the nature of human beings never changes, then what would be the difference in their character, behavior and way of thinking in different eons?  
 
Will a cruel person be cruel in the same way or by different methods, or will new times originate something that never existed in human nature up to that time?  
 
Why is the Quran giving characters and attributes or events that will occur at every time?  
 
Would the Quran be beyond time and space if it is only talking about nations THEN and TODAY? What about the nations to come later? If there is a difference in human nature and the psychology of nations is likely to change from time to time?  
 
I'll be honest and admit I haven't read anything in the book which is bounded by a specific time or person, but rather I see an all-inclusive message valid for everyone at every time.  
 
But I wonder…  
 
How can you convince a person about the Quran and its words, when he/she judges it through either earlier history or that happens much later?  
 
How can you convince a person about the words in the Quran when he/she thinks it is valid only if names outside the Quran can be provided?  
 
How do you convince a person who thinks the Quran is not enough for him, if the glorification of personalities or names is not mentioned in the Quran?  
 
How to convince a person who thinks Divinity is whatever achievable by super humans and not by discerning hard working humans?  
 
How do you convince a person who believes in ignorance?  
 
What are your views on these questions, how do you think the Quran will be sufficient for a person with a mind setup like mentioned above`?  


Comments by: dawood On 11 September 2011Report Abuse
SA Aastana participants: I was away for a while and missed so many good posts.  
 
"Nargis: How can you convince a person about the Quran and its words, when he/she judges it through either earlier history or that happens much later?  
How can you convince a person about the words in the Quran when he/she thinks it is valid only if names outside the Quran can be provided?  
How do you convince a person who thinks the Quran is not enough for him, if the glorification of personalities or names is not mentioned in the Quran?  
How to convince a person who thinks Divinity is whatever achievable by super humans and not by discerning hard working humans?  
How do you convince a person who believes in ignorance?"  
 
This broad brush is being applied to Br. Dhulqarnain? He is simply asking for an empirical evidence to support your position, sister Nargis. Dr. QZ did the same thing to prove his point in at least two of his writings, namely, in the discussion following the translation of verse 2:222, and in the article title "Zina Quran Ki Nazar mein. What is wrong with it. Just come up with one piece of empirical evidence and you are done. If you think, " Nargis: What would you call people like Sir Syed Ahmed Khan, Mohammed Ali Jinnah, allama Parwez, Allama Iqbal, Malcolm x, Martin Luther King, Mother Theresa , and other people who informed the humanity and brought them to the light or worked for it?" these individuals can be called ANBIYA (Prophets) why don't you say so? Why to continue with long, longer, ... posts and not address the question head on?  
 
"MOAZZAM: UNDERSTAND A VERY SIMPLE POINT; ANY INTELLECTUAL WHO IS UNDERSTANDING AND INTERPRETING THE GUIDANCE/MESSAGE HIDDEN (GAIB) IN THE UNIVERSE (ESPECIALLY LAWS/VALUES IN THE FIELD OF HUMANITIES) AND FULFILL THE QURANIC REQUIRMENTS, WOULD BE CALLED RASOOL ALLAH AND (sure, his message will be vet by Alkitab the MUHAIMON AL ALAIH)"  
 
According to this definition, all scientists, specially in social sciences would be called Rasool Allah? Which verse can be quoted in support of your answer, Br. Moazzam?  
 
"Moazzam:  
وَإِنَّهُ لَتَنْزِيلُ رَبِّ الْعَالَمِينَ  
نَزَلَ بِهِ الرُّوحُ الْأَمِينُ  
بِلِسَانٍ عَرَبِيٍّ مُّبِينٍ  
وَإِنَّهُ لَفِي زُبُرِ الْأَوَّلِينَ  
And indeed, the( Qur'an) is the revelation of the Lord of the worlds, نَزَلَ بِهِ الرُّوحُ الْأَمِينُIn a clear self explanatory language, And indeed, it( the same message)is in the scriptures of former peoples. "  
 
This is your translation Br. Moazzam. So finally you do admit, though in a round about way, that former people had scriptures.  
 
"Moazzam: 13/37  
وَكَذَلِكَ أَنزَلْنَاهُ حُكْمًا عَرَبِيًّا  
وَلَئِنِ اتَّبَعْتَ أَهْوَاءَهُم بَعْدَ مَا جَاءَكَ مِنَ الْعِلْمِ مَا لَكَ مِنَ  
اللّهِ مِن وَلِيٍّ وَلاَ وَاق  
And thus We have revealed it as an self explanatory (clear) legislation. And if you should follow their inclinations after what has come to you of knowledge, you would not have against Allah( Mumlikat hkuda dad) any ally or any protector."  
 
Now you have defined Mumlikata Khuda dad (Islamic Government) for the word Allah. According to this definition, the abvove translation should read " And thus We (Mumlikat khuda dad) have revealed it as an self explanatory (clear) legislation. And if you should follow their inclinations after what has come to you of knowledge, you would not have against Allah( Mumlikat hkuda dad) any ally or any protector." Is this verse talking about the present day government, its legistation and warning those who may not follow it? Can you calrify this please.  

Comments by: DHULQARNAIN On 11 September 2011Report Abuse
Here is Nargis’s original premise:  
 
Nargis declared: ***"In this verse (referring to 3:21 )…So when this verse was revealed to prophet Mohammad there were so many انبیاء and it is a non ending continuous process . Now keeping in mind the verse 21 of sura 3 ( already discussed above ) , which clearly indicates that so many prophets انبیاء were present in the times of prophet Mohammad . This verse no 40 of sura 33 is declaring that Mohammad was the seal of the prophets , which simply means He was the appointing authority of other prophets."***  
 
Nargis states that:  
 
1. There were so many prophets at the time of “Muhammad” and “Muhammad” appointed other prophets.  
 
a) For the above to be true, Nargis, she must present you with a name from that time period, otherwise, she has no proof for her claim and must withdraw it.  
 
b) If there were other prophets around at the time of “Muhammad”, don’t you think that somewhere one of their names would be known to us today? If there were other prophets around at the time of “Muhammad”, don’t you think the hadith books of the Ritualist so-called Muslims would have mentioned just one of them? My God, they mentioned everything else so how did “so many prophets” escape their notice?  
 
2. The prophethood is a non-ending continuous process.  
 
a) For the above to be true, Nargis must provide an ayat that says: “prophethood is a non-ending continuous process”  
 
b) For the above ayat to be true, Nargis must present you with a name of a prophet since the death of “Muhamamd”.  
 
c) In regard to messengers being an ongoing process, well, Allah states that messengers are an ongoing thing:  
 
44:5 A command from Us — truly We are ever sending messengers —  
 
Ask her to tell you if the Arabic in this…”orthodox translation”, is inaccurate.  
 
3. Ask her, even though she hasn't identified anyone as a prophet since the death of "Muhammad", has anyone in the world identified himself as a prophet, and, if he has---was he telling the truth?  
 
In the following ayat Allah mentions messengers and prophets as being two distinctly different things.  
 
22:52 And We did not send before you any messenger or prophet, but when he desired, the Shaitan made a suggestion respecting his desire; but Allah annuls that which the Shaitan casts, then does Allah establish His communications, and Allah is Knowing, Wise,  
 
This ayat prohibits Nargis and Moazzam from making nabi and rasul one in the same thing after the death of “Muhammad”. Why?, because “Muhammad” was in a class of nabi called---Messenger-Prophets/Rasul-Nabiyeen, to wit:  
 
7:157 Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find mentioned in the Torah and the Gospel.  
 
***What would you call people like Sir Syed Ahmed Khan, Mohammed Ali Jinnah, allama Parwez, Allama Iqbal, Malcolm x, Martin Luther King, Mother Theresa , and other people who informed the humanity and brought them to the light or worked for it?***  
 
In her above comment, Nargis is now, by allusion, attempting to suggest the above mentioned individuals "could/might be' considered nabis/prophets.  
 
Ask her this…”What would you call someone who”… asserts something and then cannot prove it? I would call that individual—dishonest.  
 
Amirkhan, start sharp. Ask her to prove her assertion by giving us names, otherwise, she has no proof, hence, she is mislead and is misleading others. Ask her to answer my above three points. :D  
 
Dhulqarnain-  

Comments by: Yellow-cow On 11 September 2011Report Abuse
This broad brush is being applied to Br. Dhulqarnain? He is simply asking for an empirical evidence to support your position, sister Narg  
 
sister umedawood/ amir khan, do jou think all is about of you and your hero Qadyani dhulqarnain? why you not answar nothing but asking more when thing explain so well? Why you explean what is rosol and nabi throu the Qoran? Brother Moazzam, sister umedawood avoiding all answars but asking same question what is given upstairs. this is dishonsty like qadiyani dhulqarnain, they not answar. Why you not only say you disagree and move on to your own imam?Soon you play heroine and rescue dhulqarnain, but you self show disrespect to others work by not answar thems question? why you not answar them question?  
 
Qadiyani dhulqarnain, why you not answar about khatam, it is written under how kind of paradigm? when you calling black you starting cry, youself mokk Aastana you think is ok? why not good call you nigger but you mokk aastanas student member ? you not feel shame of you or what your race say about your dishonesti?

Comments by: waseemameer On 11 September 2011Report Abuse
Dear Yellow cow  
Please do not start it again. Present your arguments and have patience. Hats off to sister Nargis. Keep it up.

Comments by: Yellow-cow On 12 September 2011Report Abuse
okke you asking them to answar pliese or i asking in different discusion

Comments by: dawood On 12 September 2011Report Abuse
Nice, YellowCow. This seems your first post in this thread and that too within hours, if not minutes, of my post. Were you also away for a while and coincidently returning to the blog at the same time or you were just waiting to pounce on me as soon as my post appears?  
 
Firs, why don't you answer question(s) asked by Amir Khan and Dhulqarnain? Please just answer without wasting anytime.  
 
Second, what do you think, using Qadiyani as a prefix with Br. Dhulqarnain's name will make his question any less meaningful? Please grow up and tackle the question(s) head on. Please present your arguments as advised by Waseemameer.

Comments by: Yellow-cow On 12 September 2011Report Abuse
yes i been in doha to keep eye on people. why you vant other to vaste time on dhulqarnain and you self go away ? yes you right, his mullaschizm making his answar and question meaningless like his translasion. his mullaschizm is meaningless he running away from my question long time since, why he did ? why you asking same question when answar is gived ? why answar amirkhan when he have nice answar from other member, but you not answar him at all, why not? you think you very smart and nothing will find out you? why you not answar questions? why you wasting time of others by asking same question through different many name? You and your hero imam dhulqarnanin qadyani answar how paradigm khatim is working under as , when other words katib habil are treating different?

Comments by: Universal-Lanati On 12 September 2011Report Abuse
Dawood  
 
Would you please give us a summary of answers given by Moazzam and Nargis, and explain every aya they quoted to support their understanding,in your own words with reference to the grammar and lexicons? Start with 4,20-21, 3.21,33,6-40. Kindly quote them when they explained what a Rasool and Nabi is and how they've understood the ayas.  
 
when you are done, would you be kind and provide detailed answers for every question Amir Khan raised? With reference to the Quran, please.  
 
Thank you

Comments by: DHULQARNAIN On 12 September 2011Report Abuse
Br. Dawood, Peace to you,  
 
As alawys thank you for your support.  
 
***DAWOOD***This broad brush is being applied to Br. Dhulqarnain?***  
 
***YELLOW COW: Qadiyani dhulqarnain, why you not answar about khatam, it is written under how kind of paradigm? when you calling black you starting cry, youself mokk Aastana you think is ok? why not good call you nigger but you mokk aastanas student member ? you not feel shame of you or what your race say about your dishonesti?***  
 
***NARGIS: How can you convince a person about the Quran and its words, when he/she judges it through either earlier history or that happens much later? How can you convince a person about the words in the Quran when he/she thinks it is valid only if names outside the Quran can be provided? How do you convince a person who thinks the Quran is not enough for him, if the glorification of personalities or names is not mentioned in the Quran? How to convince a person who thinks Divinity is whatever achievable by super humans and not by discerning hard working humans? How do you convince a person who believes in ignorance?***  
 
Yes, you can tell when an individual’s argument has collapsed, because they resort to these kinds of behaviors. I’ve been banned from several Ritualist sites, because they could not defend their Quran and sunnah assertions, but not one time were racial slurs used. I have never been to a site in my life as racist and ugly as Aastana Blog. And they call themselves Quran only Muslims, how absolutely phony. I can’t believe that they want to have an English version of Aastana. My sincerest wish for yellow cow, madudi, and naeem sheikh and those like these individuals is that…they never depart from what they believe. I hope when Allah calls them to their return that they will leave with these beliefs firmly in place.  
 
Anyway…  
 
***DAWOOD: He is simply asking for an empirical evidence to support your position, sister Nargis.. Just come up with one piece of empirical evidence and you are done…Why to continue with long, longer, ... posts and not address the question head on? ***  
 
Of course empirical evidence would end my argument, immediately! The following ayat, among others, tells man to get empirical evidence outside of Al-Quran:  
 
30:42 Say: Travel in the earth, then see what was the end of those before! Most of them were polytheists.  
 
I’m certain, according to Aastana, this ayat is wrongly translated as well.  
 
Dhulqarnain-  

Comments by: DHULQARNAIN On 12 September 2011Report Abuse
Waseemameer,  
 
***Hats off to sister Nargis. Keep it up***  
 
Keep what up...her denial and misrepresntations of Allah's Words?! Wow, you're a great friend.  
 
***Nargis declared: ***"In this verse (referring to 3:21 )…So when this verse was revealed to prophet Mohammad there were so many انبیاء and it is a non ending continuous process . Now keeping in mind the verse 21 of sura 3 ( already discussed above ) , which clearly indicates that so many prophets انبیاء were present in the times of prophet Mohammad . This verse no 40 of sura 33 is declaring that Mohammad was the seal of the prophets , which simply means He was the appointing authority of other prophets."***  
 
Why don't you help her with these questions. All are pertinent to her original premises:  
 
Nargis states that:  
 
1. There were so many prophets at the time of “Muhammad” and “Muhammad” appointed other prophets.  
 
a) For the above to be true, Nargis, she must present you with a name from that time period, otherwise, she has no proof for her claim and must withdraw it.  
 
b) If there were other prophets around at the time of “Muhammad”, don’t you think that somewhere one of their names would be known to us today? If there were other prophets around at the time of “Muhammad”, don’t you think the hadith books of the Ritualist so-called Muslims would have mentioned just one of them? My God, they mentioned everything else so how did “so many prophets” escape their notice?  
 
2. The prophethood is a non-ending continuous process.  
 
a) For the above to be true, Nargis must provide an ayat that says: “prophethood is a non-ending continuous process”  
 
b) For the above ayat to be true, Nargis must present you with a name of a prophet since the death of “Muhamamd”.  
 
c) In regard to messengers being an ongoing process, well, Allah states that messengers are an ongoing thing:  
 
44:5 A command from Us — truly We are ever sending messengers —  
 
Ask her to tell you if the Arabic in this…”orthodox translation”, is inaccurate.  
 
3. Ask her, even though she hasn't identified anyone as a prophet since the death of "Muhammad", HAS ANYONE IN THE WORLD SINCE THE DEATH OF MUHAMMAD IDENTIFIED HIMSELF AS A PROPHET, and, if he has---was he telling the truth?  
 
In the following ayat Allah mentions messengers and prophets as being two distinctly different things.  
 
22:52 And We did not send before you any messenger or prophet, but when he desired, the Shaitan made a suggestion respecting his desire; but Allah annuls that which the Shaitan casts, then does Allah establish His communications, and Allah is Knowing, Wise,  
 
This ayat prohibits Nargis and Moazzam from making nabi and rasul one in the same thing after the death of “Muhammad”. Why?, because “Muhammad” was in a class of nabi called---Messenger-Prophets/Rasul-Nabiyeen, to wit:  
 
7:157 Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find mentioned in the Torah and the Gospel.  
 
Please, no links, no ad hominens, no questions, no baloney, just the truth, thanks.  
 
Dhulqarnain-  

Comments by: DHULQARNAIN On 12 September 2011Report Abuse
-universal lanati,  
 
***lLANATI: Would you please give us a summary of answers given by Moazzam and Nargis, and explain every aya they quoted to support their understanding,in your own words with reference to the grammar and lexicons? Start with 4,20-21, 3.21,33,6-40. Kindly quote them when they explained what a Rasool and Nabi is and how they've understood the ayas. when you are done, would you be kind and provide detailed answers for every question Amir Khan raised? With reference to the Quran, please.***  
 
You forgot something, and when he is done with that ask him to translate Al-Quran into Chinese . After he first tells us exactly how many letters there are in the entire Quran along with the number of diacritical marks. LOL!  
 
Instead of sending Dawood off on wild goose chases, why don’t YOU help Nargis find and identify just one prophet at the time of “Muhammad” and one prophet since the time of his death, how about doing that? Just two names would end my argument cold, but until such time as you can provide those names, yours and Nargis’s position is null and void. Here, read the following:  
 
Here is Nargis’s original premise:  
 
Nargis declared: ***"In this verse (referring to 3:21 )…So when this verse was revealed to prophet Mohammad there were so many انبیاء and it is a non ending continuous process . Now keeping in mind the verse 21 of sura 3 ( already discussed above ) , which clearly indicates that so many prophets انبیاء were present in the times of prophet Mohammad . This verse no 40 of sura 33 is declaring that Mohammad was the seal of the prophets , which simply means He was the appointing authority of other prophets."***  
 
Nargis states that:  
 
1. There were so many prophets at the time of “Muhammad” and “Muhammad” appointed other prophets.  
 
a) For the above to be true, Nargis, she must present you with a name from that time period, otherwise, she has no proof for her claim and must withdraw it.  
 
b) If there were other prophets around at the time of “Muhammad”, don’t you think that somewhere one of their names would be known to us today? If there were other prophets around at the time of “Muhammad”, don’t you think the hadith books of the Ritualist so-called Muslims would have mentioned just one of them? My God, they mentioned everything else so how did “so many prophets” escape their notice?  
 
2. The prophethood is a non-ending continuous process.  
 
a) For the above to be true, Nargis must provide an ayat that says: “prophethood is a non-ending continuous process”  
 
b) For the above ayat to be true, Nargis must present you with a name of a prophet since the death of “Muhamamd”.  
 
c) In regard to messengers being an ongoing process, well, Allah states that messengers are an ongoing thing:  
 
44:5 A command from Us — truly We are ever sending messengers —  
 
Ask her to tell you if the Arabic in this…”orthodox translation”, is inaccurate.  
 
3. Ask her, even though she hasn't identified anyone as a prophet since the death of "Muhammad", has anyone in the world identified himself as a prophet, and, if he has---was he telling the truth?  
 
In the following ayat Allah mentions messengers and prophets as being two distinctly different things.  
 
22:52 And We did not send before you any messenger or prophet, but when he desired, the Shaitan made a suggestion respecting his desire; but Allah annuls that which the Shaitan casts, then does Allah establish His communications, and Allah is Knowing, Wise,  
 
This ayat prohibits Nargis and Moazzam from making nabi and rasul one in the same thing after the death of “Muhammad”. Why?, because “Muhammad” was in a class of nabi called---Messenger-Prophets/Rasul-Nabiyeen, to wit:  
 
7:157 Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find mentioned in the Torah and the Gospel.  
 
***What would you call people like Sir Syed Ahmed Khan, Mohammed Ali Jinnah, allama Parwez, Allama Iqbal, Malcolm x, Martin Luther King, Mother Theresa , and other people who informed the humanity and brought them to the light or worked for it?***  
 
In her above comment, Nargis is now, by allusion, attempting to suggest the above mentioned individuals "could/might be' considered nabis/prophets.  
 
Ask her this…”What would you call someone who”… asserts something and then cannot prove it? I would call that individual—dishonest.  
 
Anyway, good luck finding...those prophets! :D  
 
Dhulqarnain

Comments by: DHULQARNAIN On 12 September 2011Report Abuse
NARGIS, MOAZZAM, WASEEMAMEER, COW, LANATI,  
 
Here are some additonal pertinent questionS, good luck.  
 
1. NARGIS: Now keeping in mind the verse 21 of sura 3 ( already discussed above ) , which clearly indicates that so many prophets انبیاء were present in the times of prophet Mohammad . ***NARGIS: This verse no 40 of sura 33 is declaring that Mohammad was the seal of the prophets , which simply means He was the appointing authority of other prophets***  
 
A. Every other ayat in which the word khatama appears, it means to stop, cease, end; close off. Yet, ayat 33:40 in your understanding the term takes a radical departure from its established Quranic meaning and becomes-- “appointing authority of other prophets”---NARGIS: “Muhammad was seal of prophets, which means He was the appointing authority of other prophets”.  
 
B. Can you present the ayat where Allah gave Muhammad the authority to “appoints other prophets”?  
 
C. Who “appointed prophets” before “Muhammad was born?  
 
D. How did he “appoint prophets” after he died?  
 
E. If Muhammad couldn’t appoint prophets because he was dead, who then “appointed prophets” after He died/who appoints prophets today?  
 
 
2. NARGIS: “Quran is the First, the last, THE ONLY REVELATION given to mankind”.  
 
We certainly agree that Al-Quran is the Last Revelation. The Prophets or at least some of them anyway, were given books/scriptures from Allah. This was certainly the case with “Muhammad” (whom we will call that name for argument sake).  
 
A. So, given that Al-Quran is the Last Revelation and Allah only revealed books to prophets, of what need then is there for prophets today or at the time of “Muhammad”?  
 
B. Given that there will be no more books/revelations from Allah, and given that prophets were required to follow what was revealed as well, and, given that a messenger of Allah can be anyone who delivers any aspect of Al-Quran correctly to others, what then, can a prophet do today that a messenger from Allah cannot do?  
 
Dhulqarnain-  

Comments by: Nargis-Badshah-Salamat On 12 September 2011Report Abuse
This broad brush is being applied to Br. Dhulqarnain?

No

He is simply asking for an empirical evidence to support your position, sister Nargis.

What aya in the Quran is valid by empirical evidences, brother Dawood??  
 
the compound of words بِيِّينَ النَّوَخَاتَمَ appeared only in 33:40  
 
As you may probably notice is that at the word تَم خا there is a زبر over the letter ت , So the paradigm is عَل فا with a زبر over ع Similar words the paradigm فاعل ( fa’il ) are کاتب katib قاتل qatil قادر qadir حامل hamil etc  
 
How would the paradigm of fael change in relation to khatim el nabiyeen by “empirical evidence”, brother dawood?  
How would you translate “Mohammed is Katibl un nabiyeen?”,B Dawood  
How would you translate “Mohammed is Qadir un nabiyeen?” B dawood  
How would you translate “Mohammed is Qatil un nabiyeen?”B Dawood  
How would you translate “Mohammed is Khatim un nabiyeen?”B Dawood  
 
the word khatim is written under the same paradigm as the other words and it has the faculty of a doer.  
 
Would an “empirical evidence” or a “name” change the translation? How would it be changed?  
 
Please provide me one aya that is valid or get it meaning through empirical evidences, brother Dawood  
And an aya who said it is meaningless without empirical evidence?  
 
How is the grammar, language and the essence changed in the Quran, by empirical evidences?  
 
Why is not he Quran enough for you?  
 
I would like to see what empirical evidence Dr Uncle used in 222 to validate the aya, please explain.

these individuals can be called ANBIYA (Prophets) why don't you say so?

Why would I say so? Or more importantly, why do you want me to say so? Have you not understood what a nabi is, did you not read the posts?

This is your translation Br. Moazzam. So finally you do admit, though in a round about way, that former people had scriptures.

Please quote brother Moazzam when he said “former people never had scriptures”? QUOTE HIM!

Now you have defined Mumlikata Khuda dad (Islamic Government) for the word Allah. According to this definition, the abvove translation should read " And thus We (Mumlikat khuda dad) have revealed it as an self explanatory (clear) legislation.

Wait a min, you really are something eh? Where did brother Moazzam or Dr Qamar Zaman say “WE” is mumlikate khudadad?  
 
Have you not read brother Moazzam’s explanation about the “WE”, “US” and where Allah is said to have “NAFS”?  
 
This is clear evidence that you don’t read or study the answers. Can’t wait to see your answers to Universal, it will show if you read and understood the posts in this thread- I inquired you about the difference in earlier scriptures and the Quran, but you never answered. Hope you are back to answer some questions yourself this time, and read the answers given by Brother Moazzam and other participants. Otherwise there is no point in wasting time  
 
How can you convince a person about the Quran and its words, when he/she judges it through either earlier history or that happens much later?  
 
How can you convince a person about the words in the Quran when he/she thinks it is valid only if names outside the Quran can be provided?  
 
How do you convince a person who thinks the Quran is not enough for him, if the glorification of personalities or names is not mentioned in the Quran?  
 
How to convince a person who thinks Divinity is whatever achievable by super humans and not by discerning hard working humans? How do you convince a person who believes in ignorance?


Comments by: Yellow-cow On 12 September 2011Report Abuse
Dhulqarnain cry again . you not answar my question. why mokking other people is acksepted by you, but when you are mokked you cry? this is ugliness of your personaliti and believ, it is hypocratical. good lock with your cry.

Comments by: waseemameer On 12 September 2011Report Abuse
Brother Dhulqurnain  
 
You don't accept AASTANA position on the understandin of Nabi.  
Remember some people think that Al-nabi is from نبأ, meaning giving some news. But this concept is from Jews. In Jews, Nabi was the title of Foreteller. For this reason, Nabi is called Prophet in English as he is one who foretell.  
 
In religion, a prophet, from the Greek word προφήτης profitis meaning "foreteller", is an individual who is claimed to have been contacted by the supernatural or the divine, and serves as an intermediary with humanity, delivering this newfound knowledge from the supernatural entity to other people.The message that the prophet conveys is called a prophecy.  
 
The difference between Rasool and Nabi should be understood correctly. If you see all the ayaa's regarding Rasool, You will feel he will not have the authority or not in a position of ordering people or implementing divine laws. Whereas nowhere in Quran, you will find people rejecting Nabi.  
 
The meaning of nabi according to Quran is  
نبی from ن ب و means a person posted at a high position like a Head of a state  
 
In 33/40, if Muhammad was to be seal on Anbias, it would have been as خاتم علی النبیین  
 

Comments by: waseemameer On 12 September 2011Report Abuse
As sister Nargis said  
*******the compound of words بِيِّينَ النَّوَخَاتَمَ appeared only in 33:40  
 
As you may probably notice is that at the word تَم خا there is a زبر over the letter ت , So the paradigm is عَل فا with a زبر over ع Similar words the paradigm فاعل ( fa’il ) are کاتب katib قاتل qatil قادر qadir حامل hamil etc  
 
How would the paradigm of fael change in relation to khatim el nabiyeen by “empirical evidence”, brother dawood?  
How would you translate “Mohammed is Katibl un nabiyeen?”,B Dawood  
How would you translate “Mohammed is Qadir un nabiyeen?” B dawood  
How would you translate “Mohammed is Qatil un nabiyeen?”B Dawood  
How would you translate “Mohammed is Khatim un nabiyeen?”B Dawood  
 
the word khatim is written under the same paradigm as the other words and it has the faculty of a doer. *****  
 
Although, Khatam is at the paradigm of Fa-al, same as Aalam. But in lexicons, Fa-al and Fa-il has no difference, but still it gives you the meaning of doer.  
 
Qatil= A person who does Qatal  
 
if Khatam is the seal from Allah, than Muhammad is not the doer.

Comments by: DHULQARNAIN On 12 September 2011Report Abuse
***NARGIS: How can you convince a person about the words in the Quran when he/she thinks it is valid only if names outside the Quran can be provided?***  
 
When you stated the following, YOU went outside of Al-Quran:  
 
NARGIS: ***"In this verse (referring to 3:21 )…So when this verse was revealed to prophet Mohammad there were so many انبیاء and it is a non ending continuous process . Now keeping in mind the verse 21 of sura 3 ( already discussed above ) , which clearly indicates that so many prophets انبیاء were present in the times of prophet Mohammad . This verse no 40 of sura 33 is declaring that Mohammad was the seal of the prophets , which simply means He was the appointing authority of other prophets."***  
 
Allah in His Quran (not your quran), has named some prophets. The grammar confirms that those names are proper nouns, but, of course, you reject that grammatical evidence. Anyway, Allah NAMES NO PROPHET(S) AFTER “Muhammad”, but because you claim there were/are prophets after “Muhammad”, well, now we have to go outside of Al-Quran and find those prophets by name. In addition, because you claim that prophets are an ongoing process, now you must bring the ayat where Allah says that, period. Allah told mankind that He would continue to send messengers (44:5), but nowhere does He say that He would continue to send prophets. Of course you know this and that is why you and Moazzam tried to make nabi and rasul one in the same thing. Good try but no cigar. So, now you have to prove your claim. This is what you get for going outside of Al-Quran.  
 
You ask why a name, well, I will tell you, again. You claim that prophets existed at the time of “Muhammad” and since his death/right up to the present. Just suppose you find someone who possesses those “nabi qualities” how then would you communicate this find to someone else? By what means would you identify this prophet to others so that they too could know who he is? Without a name how would you achieve this? Do you see now how silly your comment is ***NARGIS:… when he/she thinks it is valid only if names outside the Quran can be provided?*** ?  
 
Given that you’re very smart and such an excellent researcher you should have no difficulty answering the following question.  
 
Tell me this, HAS ANYONE IN THE WORLD SINCE THE DEATH OF MUHAMMAD IDENTIFIED HIMSELF AS A PROPHET, and, if he has who is he and was/is he telling the truth?  
 
I bet you won’t answer these questions either. What are you going to do when Allah asks you these questions…give Him a link?  
 
You’re done Nargis.  
 
Here are some important questions as well:  
 
A. Every other ayat in which the word khatama appears, it means to stop, cease, end; close off. Yet, ayat 33:40 in your understanding the term takes a radical departure from its established Quranic meaning and becomes-- “appointing authority of other prophets”---NARGIS: “Muhammad was seal of prophets, which means He was the appointing authority of other prophets”.  
 
B. Can you present the ayat where Allah gave Muhammad the authority to “appoints other prophets”?  
 
C. Who “appointed prophets” before “Muhammad was born?  
 
D. How did he “appoint prophets” after he died?  
 
E. If Muhammad couldn’t appoint prophets because he was dead, who then “appointed prophets” after He died/who appoints prophets today?  
 
 
2. NARGIS: “Quran is the First, the last, THE ONLY REVELATION given to mankind”.  
 
We certainly agree that Al-Quran is the Last Revelation. The Prophets or at least some of them anyway, were given books/scriptures from Allah. This was certainly the case with “Muhammad” (whom we will call that name for argument sake).  
 
A. So, given that Al-Quran is the Last Revelation and Allah only revealed books to prophets, of what need then is there for prophets today or at the time of “Muhammad”?  
 
B. Given that there will be no more books/revelations from Allah, and given that prophets were required to follow what was revealed as well, and, given that a messenger of Allah can be anyone who delivers any aspect of Al-Quran correctly to others, what then, can a prophet do today that a messenger from Allah cannot do?  
 
Dhulqarnain-  

Comments by: moazzam On 12 September 2011
Dawood: According to your definition, all scientists, especially in social sciences would be called Rasool Allah? Which verse can be quoted in support of your answer?  
Moazzam: Read the verse 29/69 with its contents.  
وَالَّذِينَ جَاهَدُوا فِينَا لَنَهْدِيَنَّهُمْ سُبُلَنَا وَإِنَّ اللَّهَ لَمَعَ الْمُحْسِنِينَ And those who struggle(endeavor)in our creature(universe). We will surely guide them to Our ways (branches of knowledge). And indeed, Allah is with the doers of good.  
Dawood: And indeed, the( Qur'an) is the revelation of the Lord of the worlds, نَزَلَ بِهِ الرُّوحُ الْأَمِينُIn a clear self explanatory language, And indeed, it( the same message)is in the scriptures of former peoples. "  
 
This is your translation Br. Moazzam. So finally you do admit, though in a round about way, that former people had scriptures.  
Moazzam: Yes, please focus on it (the same message) is in the scriptures of former peoples, means Alkitab(same book)  
 
Dawood: And thus We have revealed it as an self explanatory (clear) legislation. And if you should follow their inclinations after what has come to you of knowledge, you would not have against Allah( Mumlikat hkuda dad) any ally or any protector."  
 
Now you have defined Mumlikata Khuda dad (Islamic Government) for the word Allah. According to this definition, the abvove translation should read " And thus We (Mumlikat khuda dad) have revealed it as an self explanatory (clear) legislation. And if you should follow their inclinations after what has come to you of knowledge, you would not have against Allah( Mumlikat hkuda dad) any ally or any protector." Is this verse talking about the present day government, its legistation and warning those who may not follow it? Can you calrify this please.  
Moazzam:  
أَنزَلْنَا= We have revealed.  
 
The composition of sentence supports my stance, remember Allah never directly intervenes; rather He always executes His orders (blessings) through his state.  
مَا لَكَ مِنَ  
اللّهِ مِن وَلِيٍّ وَلاَ وَاق=  

Comments by: Junaid On 12 September 2011Report Abuse
Salaam;  
 
Dear Amir. you have raised a very important point and your question seems quite challenging. Please allow me to try and come up with an answer. I am not sure whether you would accept my inference or not, albeit I am quite confident that I will provide you the real picture of today's world with reference to the characters and conditions mentioned in Quran and that too very honestly, without any contradiction between my thoughts and belief. I am assuming that you have already gone through all the articles and books available on this website, therefore I am not expecting you to accept anything based on my personal understanding and I will not force you to accept anything on the basis of grammar, interpretation or lexicons. Rather I will show you a picture which I think is true, to the best of my current understanding, and then I'll leave it up to you to either believe me or walk away. I am not a scholar, I am not a teacher and I am not an expert of Quran. I am simply a student seeking truth, the same way you do.  
 
The divine message was delivered to mankind after the status of Adam was attained. It means that human beings were able to understand the cause and effects, the laws of nature and were able to do what is good and avoid what is harmful for them. AL-KITAAB in it's written form, is not a book of religion, rather it encompasses every aspect of life and it provides us a complete understanding regarding relationship between the universe and the creator. This relationship between the creator and the creation i.e. RABB and the UNIVERSE has been established through laws of nature encompassing our lives and are required to be followed. These laws of nature are based on simple and clearly observable elements such as Gravity, heat, light, etc. and on the other hand these laws can be much more complicated and may require a lot of wisdom, research, analysis and knowledge in order to be understood properly.  
What I mean to say is that the concept of MUKAFAAT E AMAL can easily be observed if Law of gravity is disobeyed, for example if a person jumps from a high mountain, he will hurt himself very badly and may die as a consequence. But on the other hand, an individual or the society may not be able to foresee or realize the consequences of certain actions being performed on individual or collective basis. There are things which we cannot comprehend in our current state of awareness or consciousness (collective and individual) but this doesn't means that the things we cannot comprehend actually doesn't exist. Everything do exist according to the law of nature and our ignorance or unawareness or I would say lack of consciousness is acting as a veil, confining our vision to a limited extent. The fact is that if we cannot comprehend certain laws of nature, if we cannot comprehend the consequences of a certain actions, it is simply bad for us and will make no difference to the laws of nature itself, which has been defined as constant or unchangeable.  
 
This divine message in it's written form, is a kind of help for mankind in order to make us understand the same aspect of MAKAFAAT E AMAL and it covers every aspect of human life, providing comprehensive detail, clearly distinguishing the rights from wrongs. A misunderstanding or I may say a confusion in this regard is, that we are trying to follow the words instead of emphasizing on the practical aspect behind the message. The analysis of terms NABI, RASOOL and their attributes is important to an extent that it provides us an idea regarding the characteristics an individual or a group needs to posses, in order to convert a society into JANNAT. The research and analysis of stories or QISAS given in Quran is important because it provides us examples which helps is to understand the negative and the positive aspects of system being followed in the current era. Analysis of negative personalities mentioned in the divine message is important because it helps us to understand what negativity actually stands for, or how the negative characters corrupts our system. As a matter of fact, the concept "DIVINE" itself needs to be understood in a sense that there is no direct channel or a super natural line of communication established between certain individuals and the creator, rather it is a part of natural laws where individuals or groups can conceive the plan defined in terms of natural laws and Makafaat e Amal, through research and analysis. The process itself is very lengthy and complicated, however the written format we have in our hands can prove to be a shortcut if understood and conveyed properly. Likewise the RASOOL and NABI are not superhuman characters, rather they are the ones who ponder on nature in order to comprehend the concept of Makafaat e amal and laws of nature. You will find no personal details regarding individuals (for example biography etc.) and no timeline has been mentioned in Quran. What I mean to say is that the divine message will provide you details about what happened, it will provide you details of who did what through attributes but it will not tell you when the event took place. This is a very important aspect to understand if anyone wants to understand the contents of Quran in its actual sense. An outline has been defined using illustrations, attributes, sets of instructions and a set of do's and don'ts in such a way that the basic concept becomes applicable to all eras and all locations.  
 
If anyone is really interested to comprehend the divine message through the book, he will have to clear his mind from all what he learned or heard from other sources as a pre-requisite. Forget what books of religions or books of history says and forget about the timeline as well as the stories written in these books. One must scratch away the stories of prophets he learned through books of history or religion and simply concentrate on the events and attributes according to the sequence defined in the divine message. Forget about the events and timeline given in the books of religion, history or hadith about Moses, Jesus, Haroon, Yahya, Zakaria, David, Solomon, Mohammad etc. and concentrate on what Quran is saying. I can assure you that you will surely witness an entirely different world as compared to the one which you have seen through the eyes of others.  
 
Please allow me to share what I have understood by utilizing my personal research, my professional experience combined with what I have learned from Quran;  
 
As per my understanding, the attributes related to various characters mentioned in Quran are not based on specific time lines, rather these characters are appearing in different eras again and again. Apparently, human life was much simpler during the early ages but it became more complicated thorough the passage of time. Certain situations in the past were simple enough to be handled by an individual or a group having a specific attribute or a set of few attributes but as the time moved on, things became much more complicated, requiring multiple characters to exist at the same time having multiple attributes and they worked as group according to the given situations. What I have learned through my observation and my research is that an individual cannot change the society all alone on his own in current situation, and it would be impractical to think this way. I believe that in order to change the overall condition of a society a constant struggle by a large group is needed and that group must have multiple individuals possessing different characters according to the attributes given in Quran. It simply means that according to a given situation, Individuals having attributes of Dawood, Haroon, Musa, Zakaria, Esa and Mohammad are required all at the same time to take part in a struggle, and only then a target can be achieved or a system based on justice, equality and liberty can be implemented. It doesn't matter who initiates the struggle and it doesn't matter who leads the group in a given era and according to a certain situation. This requirement of multiple individuals having multiple attributes of Noah, Dawood, Lot, Musa, Haroon, Zakaria, Esa, Muhammad, working as a group to achieve a certain goal, seems imperative when we see the situation we are facing in our current era.  
 
Our current system which is based on a world linked together through communication and technology, also known as global village, is a combination of all the negative elements given in Quran. You can witness a mixture yajooj, majooj, Qaum e loot, Firaon, Hamaan, Qaroon, and many more, together at the same time in today's world of 21st century. This combination has been developed as a result of a consistent chain of bloodlines having various agendas, being carried out through generations. The negative agendas initiated in various eras starting from the time of Babylon, the Greeks, the Romans, the ancient Persians etc. and which was carried out by closely maintained bloodlines of Babylonian monarchs and Egyptian pharaohs, who like to work in form of hidden or secret societies, changed many shapes throughout the history and have now become a deadly combination due to advancement in the fields of science and technology. This deadly combination took many shapes starting from the ancient times, passing through ages of empires, the age of Babylonians, the Persians, the Romans, entering into the age of Arab autocracy, going through the old crusades, entering into the era of Barbaric Mongols, emergence of various autocrats from Central Asia, the birth of Ottoman empire and the Mughal empire, then the invasion of world by Europeans specially the Spanish, Portuguese, Italians, Dutch, French and British, the emergence of a great monarchy known as British Empire, followed by the birth of Nazis, the Russian Federation and communism, later on the birth of America and capitalism, the industrial revolution, the clash of interests which resulted in world war 1 and finally the World War 2, changing the demographics of the world in which we live today.  
 
The most important thing to be noted here is, the common elements behind all the tyranny, suppression, oppression, exploitation, corruption, chaos etc. and these elements are greed and selfishness. These two elements being a part of human Psyche, carry a huge tendency to convert human beings into selfish greedy psychopaths who follow nothing but their lust for power. No end can be defined and no boundaries can restrict hunger for wealth or lust for power which beclouds human mind to an extent of an illusion of being a God who owns the universe and everything within or even beyond it's limits.  
 
A careful analysis of true history will disclose many horrifying facts about the unseen forces who rule our world today. It's not an individual or a group of individuals, rather it's multiple groups of psychopaths in disguise of ordinary human beings representing the bloodlines of ancient monarchs and pharaohs originated from old Babylonian and Egyptian empires working together through occult societies or hidden groups like Bilderberg, Carnegie etc. and ruling the whole mankind. The bloodlines are being maintained very carefully throughout generations and the roots are too deep to be envisioned. The concept of pyramid of hierarchy originated from ancient times are now even more effectively being maintained. The elites or the closely maintained bloodlines of pharaohs are on top of this pyramid, followed by their agents who themselves are psychopaths, having no feelings or emotions. The third layer of this pyramid is the politicians, the military dictators and the high ranked Government officials who are chosen secretly by the agents of monarchs. Then comes the fourth layer which includes top businessmen, the second level of Government officials and the top level of corporate employees. Finally comes the fifth, the last and the lowest layer which consist of completely brainwashed ordinary citizens, living a meaningless life like sheep and cattle, having no purpose, no aim except to feed the predators sitting at the top.  
 
Some details about the pyramid of hierarchy :  
 
The Vatican popes, the royal British monarchy i.e. the next generations of Egyptian Pharaohs, are the prominent members of the top most layer of the pyramid, while elites like Evelyn Robert de Rothschild, J.P. Morgan, David Rockefeller, Cecil Rhodes, William Paterson, Friedrich Engels and many more are the second layer. The members of top two layers came from closely and carefully maintained bloodlines who know the tricks of trade and who control almost everything starting from Governments, military industrial complexes, banks, media, the oil and pharmaceutical industry, education institutions and much more. A clear example can be seen in form of wealth accumulated by Vatican Church, the British Queen or House of Rothschild where each of them holds more wealth than the net worth of almost any so called "developed country" of the world. These elites control minds through the education systems which are funded by their wealth for one reason only and that is to train and convert human beings into sheep and cattle so that they could start obeying orders right from the childhood. These sheep and cattle are then used as manpower of human resource to run the businesses, industries and corporations owned by the elites. They control our thoughts, our choices though media which is based on nothing but deception, promoting false information, glamour and consumerism. Most importantly, the same sheep and cattle is used as human fuel in wars to die in the name of deception and illusion. Important point to be noted here is that in almost every modern war, both the sides are financed by the same group of international bankers who charge huge interest on the money they give to each side.  
 
 
The third layer consists of politicians, the presidents, the autocrats, the senators, the ministers the military generals, the top most bureaucrats etc. who are selected secretly yet very carefully as agents who work to impose rules to facilitate the activities of top most ruling elites. The basic job of these agents is to impose and collect taxes from citizens, keeping masses under control through police and other law enforcement agencies, monitoring the activities of common citizens through intelligence agencies, and make them to run after meaningless things like sports and entertainment which is another form of the old Roman technique of keeping the people busy in Coliseums, watching gladiators fighting and killing each other. The Roman games were once believed to be the most effective way of keeping people ignorant and unaware of the activities of elites. This deception of governments and media has proven to be very effective so far, since masses are programmed to believe and depend entirely on the information system as well as the financial system designed to serve the purpose of elites.  
 
The fourth layer consists of the top businessmen and government officials who became aware of the game of deception and illusion being played, who have learned some of the techniques of exploitation and corruption from the top most elites and who have willfully agreed to work as slaves/agents/partners in crime with the elites. These are the parasites who exploit the middle and lower class populations, snatching away the bread from mouths of poor and needy, helping the elites by directing flow of wealth up towards the top. Most of the NGOs the so called civil servants, the judges etc belong to the same fourth layer of the pyramid which acts as a cushion or veil between the elites and the lowest layer of sheeple.  
 
The fifth layer belongs to the masses who are brainwashed civilians, trained to believe and depend completely on the game of illusion and deception. These groups of sheep and cattle are trained feel fake happiness and joy in the name of scientific advancement, economic growth, national interest, patriotism etc. These people are programmed right from the start through a specifically designed education system, a particular set of knowledge in various fields and they are trained to work as human resources for elites which they feel prod of. These programmed human resources have now become an object of research and experiments for the elites who are now planning to reduce the overall population of these sheeple in order to preserve the natural resources and the environment. The best example can be seen when a poor, hungry and deprived citizen celebrates independence day or a national memorial day as if that day was meant for him, OR when a poor guy who cannot afford proper food for his children celebrates victory of the national soccer team or cricket team with utmost joy OR when a poor young kid despite being the only hope for his poor mother, father, children and wife dies in a war planed by politicians and bankers, leaving his family to suffer even worst form of poverty and deprivation OR we can see a majority, promoting the illusion of advancement in science, technology, healthcare and medicine industry, without even realizing that the same corrupt psychopaths having an agenda to earn profit at all costs, who own the military industrial complexes, who plan population reduction, wars and false flag operations, actually own the healthcare and medicine industry and the same elites funds the scientific researches according to their own agendas. These loyal slaves of elites are now defending the system on behalf of elites, just like a lamb defending the act of a butcher who is about to slaughter it, OR like a bird defending the act of a person who has locked it in a cage for entertainment.  
 
Now let me provide a brief information regarding the socio-economic system we are made to believe in and follow blindly. This is the system where a small number of elites rule the majority with the help of deception known as fiat money which is considered as Idol or a God by almost everyone. The fiat money which is nothing but debt, created either through issuance of treasury bonds/bills or through fractional reserve banking, having no intrinsic value, is probably the best weapon of elites which they are using to control the real wealth that is human and natural resources. A detailed analysis of the term Fiat money, Bretton Woods treaty and later on Nixon's shock, on internet will show you the real picture behind this deception. We are programmed to believe in an illusion that we cannot survive, without this paper money, therefore the majority is following this myth, this dogma invented by elites the same way as various religions are being followed.  
 
Unfortunately, a lot of criticism can be observed against religions but people are least worried to criticize the fake economic system based on deception. Probably because it's quite easy to negate the dogmas and rituals of religions but its not that easy to live without money. The so called critics of religions cannot even imagine to think about rebelling against the corrupt systems, they cannot even imagine to stop working as slaves in the corporations owned by corrupt elites, they cannot even assume to deny the man made laws and legislation imposed by the agents of elites and they can not even think about not paying taxes to the corrupt government officials who use the same tax to keep the populations under control with the help of guns and sticks. In fact I have observed the majority of readers on this blog who either totally ignore such comments or they try to reply with meaningless comments based on self denial or self deception but none has ever agreed to these facts. I am sure no one would dare to even think about the current ways of their earnings or the present sources of their income and this topic will be kept untouched while the focus will remain on negating religious beliefs.  
 
Coming back to the question you have asked, that why no nabi or rasool came to the world when humanity needs it the most?  
 
I guess I have already provided you a detailed analysis of today's world which is a mixture of all the negative elements defined in Quran. If we will keep thinking that a single individual having attribute of Musa, Esa, Zakaria, Haroon, or Muhammad can change the current system on his own, then it is practically impossible. Today, we need a group of several individuals possessing multiple attributes, working together in the same direction, having the same agenda to change the system, is perhaps the only possibility if a change is required. It is imperative that people should start focusing on practical issues pertaining to the real life of today's world, and only then a process could be initiated which may lead to the formation of a group having attributes given in AL-Kitaab. This means that a teacher, a scientist, an engineer, an economist, a politician or a leader can do nothing on his own, rather an exceptional display of harmony and teamwork is required, while the members of this particular team are required to possess different attributes given in Quran. Expecting a change through a single individual who will lead the world, who will take away the power and resources from elites and will give them to the poor, is almost like waiting for a maseeha to come from the sky who will change the world.  
 
NOTE: It has been a disturbing experience, watching people posting with multiple IDs, deceiving readers, attacking new comers for asking questions or because of lack of arguments, displaying non serious attitude while writing on the blog and creating needless grouping or teams in the past. I was hoping that the this trend will end now and aastana will once again become a blog for serious discussions, but today I got too disappointed having seen the same kind of crap being posted.  
 
I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION THAT THIS IS MY LAST POST ON THE BLOG AND I WILL NO LONGER BE AVAILABLE ON AASTAANA TO ANSWER ANY QUESTION OR REPLY TO ANY FURTHER COMMENT. ANYONE WHO IS INTERESTED IN COMMUNICATING WITH ME IN FUTURE CAN CONTACT ME AT MY EMAIL ADDRESS: junaidmalik512@gmail.com . ALSO TO MENTION THAT IT HAS BEEN A PLEASURE BEING A MEMBER OF THIS BLOG FOR A LONG TIME AND I MUST ADMIT THAT I HAVE LEARNED A LOT FROM THE TEACHERS HERE.  

Comments by: waseemameer On 12 September 2011Report Abuse
Brother Junaid  
Very true and comprehensive picture of todays' world. Your researches and posts are very informative.  
WE do need all those attributed persons today, as mentioned in Quran, to change the world economic system.  
I request you to keep posting your valuable researches on this forum to make us aware of the current world situation.

Comments by: moazzam On 12 September 2011
Dear Brother Junaid! I have gone through your post, and analyzed it bit by bit.  
". I agree with almost all the points you raised and/or elaborated, indeed you are like "PROPHET ZAKARIYA. Please don’t be disappointed (which could cause howling to others) emphasis at following verse. Remember Aastana needs Brilliant Junaid ; we would be encouraged by seeing your brawny shoulders to share the huge responsibilities of the time.  
Verse 68/48  
فَاصْبِرْ لِحُكْمِ رَبِّكَ وَلَا تَكُن كَصَاحِبِ الْحُوتِ إِذْ نَادَى وَهُوَ مَكْظُومٌ  

Comments by: Nargis On 12 September 2011Report Abuse

Brother junaid  
 
I know you are disappointed with me coz I used the word we and you at Facebook. But I have never meant or believed that you are not “we”. I never thought in such a way about you,I know what you feel and think about Aastana and the mission.In fact, with your brilliance and knowledge, I would say you are more “we” than anyone else. You have the ability to observe things we can’t so you can us to see something from another angle.If I had the sufficient knowledge about economy systems and knew the depth, I would have participated in threads you opened. For me it takes time to learn something, especially when "numbers" are included. :(  
 
I hope you don't leave Astana but stay here and improve the knowledge of "we" shoulder to shoulder. There is much work to do, and candidates with your attributes are what we greatly need. Like Br Moazzam said, indeed you are like Prophet Zakarya. Only together we can explain this:- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jz-vVmme4E&feature=related We can only do our best, in our own imperfectly perfect way, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJk9SJlTnko&feature=related


Comments by: DHULQARNAIN On 12 September 2011Report Abuse
Waseemameer,  
 
***You don't accept AASTANA position on the understandin of Nabi. Remember some people think that Al-nabi is from نبأ, meaning giving some news. But this concept is from Jews. In Jews, Nabi was the title of Foreteller. For this reason, Nabi is called Prophet in English as he is one who foretell. In religion, a prophet, from the Greek word προφήτης profitis meaning "foreteller", is an individual who is claimed to have been contacted by the supernatural or the divine, and serves as an intermediary with humanity, delivering this newfound knowledge from the supernatural entity to other people.The message that the prophet conveys is called a prophecy.***  
 
So, let me get this right, you and Aastana don’t believe/accept that prophets fortold events, do I understand you correctly? Let’s assume that I do. Then the following ayats are complete mistranslation.  
 
1) 7:157 Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find mentioned in the Torah and the Gospel…  
 
This ayat foretold the coming of “Muhammad” by Musa.  
 
2) 61:6 And when Jesus, son of Mary, said: O Children of Israel, surely I am the messenger of Allah to you, verifying that which is before me of the Torah and giving the good news of a Messenger who will come after me, his name being Ahmad. But when he came to them with clear arguments, they said: This is clear enchantment.  
 
This ayat foretold the coming of the “Muhammad” by Isa.  
 
***The difference between Rasool and Nabi should be understood correctly.***  
 
I’m pleased that you do see that there is a difference in these terms.  
 
***If you see all the ayaa's regarding Rasool, You will feel he will not have the authority or not in a position of ordering people or implementing divine laws. Whereas nowhere in Quran, you will find people rejecting Nabi.***  
 
“Feel”, what are you talking about?! “Feel” is just another term for conjecture/uncertainty. Messengers confirmed the message which came before them, period. Who’s talking about rejecting nabis?!  
 
***The meaning of nabi according to Quran is  
نبی from ن ب و means a person posted at a high position like a Head of a state***  
 
If youre correct, then post the ayat where Allah says “ nabi means a person posted at a high position like a Head of a state”.  
 
***In 33/40, if Muhammad was to be seal on Anbias, it would have been as خاتم علی النبیین***  
 
If Khatim Nabiyeen is not the Last prophet, then Nargis’s assertion is correct;  
 
***NARGIS: Now keeping in mind the verse 21 of sura 3 ( already discussed above ) , which clearly indicates that so many prophets انبیاء were present in the times of prophet Mohammad . ***NARGIS: This verse no 40 of sura 33 is declaring that Mohammad was the seal of the prophets , which simply means He was the appointing authority of other prophets***  
 
If Nargis is correct, then you, Waseemameer, answer the following:  
 
1. Nargis states that: There were so many prophets at the time of “Muhammad” and “Muhammad” appointed other prophets.  
 
a) For the above to be true, she and now you must present a name from that time period, otherwise, you both have has proof for your claim and must withdraw it.  
 
b) If there were other prophets around at the time of “Muhammad”, don’t you think that somewhere one of their names would be known to us today? If there were other prophets around at the time of “Muhammad”, don’t you think the hadith books of the Ritualist so-called Muslims would have mentioned just one of them? My God, they mentioned everything else so how did “so many prophets” escape their notice?  
 
2. The prophethood is a non-ending continuous process.  
 
a) For the above to be true, Nargis must provide an ayat that says: “prophethood is a non-ending continuous process”  
 
b) For the above ayat to be true, Nargis must present you with a name of a prophet since the death of “Muhamamd”.  
 
c) In regard to messengers being an ongoing process, well, Allah states that messengers are an ongoing thing:  
 
44:5 A command from Us — truly We are ever sending messengers —  
 
Ask her to tell you if the Arabic in this…”orthodox translation”, is inaccurate.  
 
3. Tell me Waseemameer,, even though haven’t identified anyone as a prophet since the death of "Muhammad", has anyone in the world identified himself as a prophet, and, if he has---was he telling the truth?  
 
A. Every other ayat in which the word khatama appears, it means to stop, cease, end; close off. Yet, ayat 33:40 in your understanding the term takes a radical departure from its established Quranic meaning and becomes-- “appointing authority of other prophets”---NARGIS: “Muhammad was seal of prophets, which means He was the appointing authority of other prophets”.  
 
B. Can you present the ayat where Allah gave Muhammad the authority to “appoints other prophets”?  
 
C. Who “appointed prophets” before “Muhammad was born?  
 
D. How did he “appoint prophets” after he died?  
 
E. If Muhammad couldn’t appoint prophets because he was dead, who then “appointed prophets” after He died/who appoints prophets today?  
 
 
2. NARGIS: “Quran is the First, the last, THE ONLY REVELATION given to mankind”.  
 
We certainly agree that Al-Quran is the Last Revelation. The Prophets or at least some of them anyway, were given books/scriptures from Allah. This was certainly the case with “Muhammad” (whom we will call that name for argument sake).  
 
A. So, given that Al-Quran is the Last Revelation and Allah only revealed books to prophets, of what need then is there for prophets today or at the time of “Muhammad”?  
 
B. Given that there will be no more books/revelations from Allah, and given that prophets were required to follow what was revealed as well, and, given that a messenger of Allah can be anyone who delivers any aspect of Al-Quran correctly to others, what then, can a prophet do today that a messenger from Allah cannot do?  
 
Please address the above directly. If you refuse and resort to your usual deflecting tactics, then I will take that as an emphatic statement that you cannot prove your position. Hopefully, at that point, you will admit that you cannot prove your case and withdraw your unverifiable assertions.  
 
Dhulqarnain-  

Comments by: DHULQARNAIN On 12 September 2011Report Abuse
ATTENTION ALL,  
 
***MOAZZAM: indeed you are like "PROPHET ZAKARIYA***  
 
***NARGIS: candidates with your attributes are what we greatly need. Like Br Moazzam said, indeed you are like Prophet Zakarya.***  
 
NEWS FLASH!!  
 
Everybody hold on to your seats! Candidate for prophethood, Junaid, is about to be identified/deemed as a prophet of Allah, by Aastana Blog. Get ready to go Youtube!  
 
Story still developing… :D  
 
Dhulqarnain-  

Comments by: Amirkhan On 12 September 2011Report Abuse
My brother Junaid I am speechless because I dont have words to say how much I like your reply. This question I asked on this blog was in my mind from many years and it was disturbing me every day but I know the answer now. My brother Dhulqarnain if you read the words of brother Junaid then you will know how easy to understand rasool and nabi is. They are not super human but they are people like me and you who conceive wahi which is the laws of nature. You are more knowledgeable than I am so you can understand this better than me. My sister Nargis and my brother Moazzam convinced me with the meaning of Al-Kitaab, Rasool and Nabi and now my brother Junaid has convinced me with his answer that nabi is not coming because society is under control of too many bad people and we need many people with attributes of nabi to save humanity from suffering and pain. My dear brother Dhulqarnain I request you to please understand because you came here before me and you are more knowledgeable than me that nabi cannot be identified/deemed because they are people like us and they are the intelligent people who study and work hard to conceive laws of nature and wahy. I know its hard for a man to have the attributes written in Quran so no one can become a nabi or rasool so easily nowadays and one nabi cannot do anything nowadays. My brother Dhulqarnain please tell me if brother Junaid is wrong because if he is wrong then why he is telling so many right things about this world?

Comments by: naeem sheikh On 12 September 2011Report Abuse
Mr Dhulqarnain! You don't be LIKE sheitan,  
ATTENTION ALL, Rread the meaning of the verse Brother moazzam Wrote for Mr. Junaid, there is nothing unusual.  
 
***MOAZZAM: indeed you are like "PROPHET ZAKARIYA***  
 
Verse 68/48  
فَاصْبِرْ لِحُكْمِ رَبِّكَ وَلَا تَكُن كَصَاحِبِ الْحُوتِ إِذْ نَادَى وَهُوَ مَكْظُومٌ  
 
Then be patient for the decision of your Lord, and be not LIKE the الْحُوتِ صَاحِبِ (prophet younis) when he called out while he was distressed.  

Comments by: Nargis On 12 September 2011Report Abuse

Dhulqarnain  
 
This is the reason why we asked you to read the books available in English and search on the blog, so you can understand how we conclude and understand the Quran. Then you can see the WHY behind our arguments. Now you are mocking without even understanding what we are saying and why we are saying so. I know you are more intelligent than what you are showing by mocking and making fun of Astana. Either we are not articulate enough, or you are not studying our arguments and points in depth. I dont think we can present our case in a more detailed way, so only your effort and urge to see our poin will let you understand our view.  
 
Brother Amir Khan, so happy to see your post. Nice to see your urge to learning and effort to search for it


Comments by: DHULQARNAIN On 12 September 2011Report Abuse
Peace Amirkhan,  
 
I’m an individual that requires proof before I will accept something as the truth. Allah has commanded us to have proof before we accept anything regarding Him, His Angels, His Books, His Messengers, His Prophets, and His Deen. Ayats 7:33; 17:36; and 21:24 discuss having proof.  
 
***My brother Dhulqarnain if you read the words of brother Junaid then you will know how easy to understand rasool and nabi is. They are not super human but they are people like me and you who conceive wahi which is the laws of nature.***  
 
I’ve never claimed that the nabis were superhuman.  
 
You say that nabis are like you and me. If this is true, then:  
 
1. Why won’t anyone here claim that they are a nabi and then put it on Youtube?  
 
2. Why can’t someone here point to some individual, by name, and claim that individual is a nabi and then put it on Youtube?  
 
3. Will you claim that you are a nabi?  
 
***Junaid has convinced me with his answer that nabi is not coming because society is under control of too many bad people and we need many people with attributes of nabi to save humanity from suffering and pain.***  
 
The prophets of old came when things were difficult, so why wouldn’t one come now? What, will he wait for things to be good before coming? I cannot see the sense in that…can you? If no nabis are coming, and Junaid is correct about that, then “Muhammad”, according to 33:40, was the Last Prophet/Khatim Nabi.  
 
Having “qualities like a nabi”, does not, in fact, make one a nabi…do you agree?  
 
***because they are people like us and they are the intelligent people who study and work hard to conceive laws of nature and wahy.***  
 
Could you, or perhaps Junaid, provide the ayat where Allah states that people get wahy through nature?  
 
***I know its hard for a man to have the attributes written in Quran so no one can become a nabi or rasool so easily nowadays and one nabi cannot do anything nowadays.***  
 
Having “qualities like a nabi”, does not, in fact, make one a nabi…do you agree?  
 
***My brother Dhulqarnain please tell me if brother Junaid is wrong because if he is wrong then why he is telling so many right things about this world?***  
 
Of course Junaid is wrong, he is absolutely wrong.  
 
These “nabi like qualities”, how do they differ from those of a dedicated Muslim?  
 
Always ask for proof, Amirkhan. Things may sound good, but are, nonetheless, wrong.  
 
For example, Nargis is notorious for her good sounding false premises. Following is an example of a false premise. While the premise sounds reasonable and good upon scrutiny ,however ,it is exposed as being false.  
 
a) If the streets are wet, it has rained recently. (premise)  
 
b) The streets are wet. (premise)  
 
c) Therefore it has rained recently. (conclusion)  
 
The problem with the conclusion though is this--the streets could have been wet due to a water main break or a street cleaner and not from rain. But if someone insists that the streets were wet due to rain, but gave no definitive proof that it in fact rained, then that person is presenting you with a false premise. This why you must be vigilant of people’s premises by demanding proof, because if you accept the premises, then you will accept the conclusion.  
 
Here's Nargis's false premise:  
 
a) so many prophets existed at the time of "Muhammad". (premise)  
 
b) prophets are an ongoing process. (premise)  
 
c) Therefore "Muhammad" could not be the Al-Khatim Nabiyeen/The Last-End of the Prophets. (conclusion)  
 
In order for her premises and conclusion to be the truth, she must provide a name from the time of "Muhammad" and a name since his death, otherwise, her premises and conclusion are all false! Demand that she give you proof.  
 
Dhulqarnain-  

Comments by: dawood On 13 September 2011Report Abuse
Dear Br. Waseemameer, SA: I don’t know Arabic well myself, so will have to depend on Lexicons a bit. I looked at Lane’s online volume 2, pages 702-3. This is what I found (this is my understanding and I don’t claim an authority on the issue):  
1. All these variations carry nearly the same meanings, i.e. Seal or Signet or stamp or mark. It also means reaching the end of something. Seal is also used to protect something, specifically writing, etc. from tempering or to establish the credibility of a document.  
2. Khatim signifies the agent along with it, i.e. the person sealing or stamping.  
 
First, I highlight the translation of 33:40. Its an orthodox translation, so will only look at the relevant part that I have capitalized.  
“ Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, AND THE SEAL OF THE PROPHETS: and Allah has full knowledge of all things.” (33:40)  
 
The messenger of Allah is not the doer in this case. It is Allah who is putting him as a SEAL OF THE PROPHETS. Thus, the prophethood is sealed via the last prophet by the Allah himself. It simply means the end of the prophethood.  
 
Now to come to your question regarding Empirical evidence. Alquran cannot go against the empirical evidence, if it does it is not from the All Knowing. Dear I quoted at least two instances of Dr. QZ using the empirical evidence to support his point. If Dr. QZ’s approach to empirical evidence in relation to the Quran is valid, why would it become invalid if someone else asks for it? In fact, it should strengthen your claim or sr. Nargis’s claim. So please share with us one piece of evidence to support your claim.  

Comments by: waseemameer On 13 September 2011Report Abuse
Brother Dawood  
if Faa-il is the one who does Fail  
if Qaatil is the one who does qatal  
why not khaatam is the one who does khatam, if khaatam= khaatim as advised by Ahle-lughat  
 
why you want to close your eyes on khaatam  
Also the ordhodox translation, it cannot be interpreted as Allah being Faa-il  
“ Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, AND THE SEAL OF THE PROPHETS: and Allah has full knowledge of all things.” (33:40)  
 
Also what do you think النَّبِيِّينَ is a Ism or is it a process? b/c in your stance it has to be a process not an Ism? How would you prove that?  
 
Also Allah said that He doesn't differentiate between his Nabi's, why would He make this difference, if He is to be the Faa-il?

Comments by: DHULQARNAIN On 13 September 2011Report Abuse
Nargis,  
 
***This is the reason why we asked you to read the books available in English and search on the blog, so you can understand how we conclude and understand the Quran. Then you can see the WHY behind our arguments…Either we are not articulate enough, or you are not studying our arguments and points in depth. I dont think we can present our case in a more detailed way, so only your effort and urge to see our poin will let you understand our view.***  
 
Nargis's here's false premise:  
 
a) so many prophets existed at the time of "Muhammad". (premise)  
 
b) prophets are an ongoing process. (premise)  
 
c) Therefore "Muhammad" could not be the Al-Khatim Nabiyeen/The Last-End of the Prophets. (conclusion)  
 
In order for your premises and conclusion to be the truth, you must provide a name from the time of "Muhammad" and a name since his death, otherwise, your assertion is a false premise argument.  
 
 
I have read most of the article on Salat, but here’s the situation. I must assume that whatever is in those articles supports your position in regard to nabi, am I correct in this assumption? If that is the case, then I would still have the same questions as I have now. It isn’t that you haven’t fully articulated your definitions, assertions, premises, and conclusions in regard to nabi/prophet, you have, but the problem is you cannot ground your premises and conclusions in actual life experience. Unless you can ground your premises and conclusions in actual life experience, that is, prove your conclusions, your assertion then remains in the abstract and not the actual. When you made the following assertions, you proffered something, heretofore, unheard of in the Al-Islamic experience (save Bahaism perhaps).  
 
NARGIS: ***"In this verse (referring to 3:21 )…So when this verse was revealed to prophet Mohammad there were so many انبیاء and it is a non ending continuous process . Now keeping in mind the verse 21 of sura 3 ( already discussed above ) , which clearly indicates that so many prophets انبیاء were present in the times of prophet Mohammad . This verse no 40 of sura 33 is declaring that Mohammad was the seal of the prophets , which simply means He was the appointing authority of other prophets."***  
 
Such an extraordinary claim demands extraordinary evidence and not just your's/Aastana’s word for it. The implications of your claims are vast and potentially very destructive. For example, you probably know of several people who have claimed to be prophets. One individual, just recently, claimed that on May 23, the world was going to end. Look how many people were deceived by this “prophet”. Some abandoned all of their worldly goods; others had profound panic attacks or both. Look how many are now turned off to God, because of this so-called prophet. So, when you support the notion of ongoing nabis/prophets, you are obligated to point at least two of them out and prove that they were/are, in fact, nabis, otherwise, you legitimize those who claim to be nabis--those who only want to exploit humanity.  
 
What you are doing by your assertions, without realizing it, is giving license to what I will term--false prophetism. You see Nargis, because “Muhammad” was Al-Khatim Nabiyeen,The Last of the Prophets, anyone claiming to be a prophet after him would immediately be known to be a liar/a false prophet and either be ignored or exposed as such. Allah, by making “Muhammad” Al-Khatim Nabiyeen,The Last of the Prophets, safeguarded His servants from falling prey to false prophetism. Your assertion undoes this tremendous safeguard which Allah has put in place, thereby, making his servants vulnerable to false prophetism and--all that that implies. So, for you to attempt to undo Allah’s safeguard, you must now, beyond any shadow of a doubt, prove that:  
 
1. Prophets existed along with “Muhammad”, by giving us a name.  
 
2. Prophets are an ongoing class of people since the death of “Muhammad”, by giving us a name.  
 
If you cannot do this, then you’re:  
 
1. Saying of Allah that of which you have not the knowledge.  
 
2. Following that of which you have no knowledge.  
 
3. Subscribing to and supporting false prophetism.  
 
4. Doing shirk by setting up yourself as god along with Allah. How? Allah say He’s ever sending messengers/rasuls. You say…Allah is ever sending nabis.  
 
Can you name anyone who claimed to be a prophet and, was his claim…true?  
 
 
Here are some important comments/questions as well:  
 
A. Every other ayat in which the word khatama appears, it means to stop, cease, end; close off. Yet, ayat 33:40 in your understanding the term takes a radical departure from its established Quranic meaning and becomes-- “appointing authority of other prophets”---NARGIS: “Muhammad was seal of prophets, which means He was the appointing authority of other prophets”.  
 
B. Can you present the ayat where Allah gave Muhammad the authority to “appoints other prophets”?  
 
C. Who “appointed prophets” before “Muhammad was born?  
 
D. How did he “appoint prophets” after he died?  
 
E. If Muhammad couldn’t appoint prophets because he was dead, who then “appointed prophets” after He died/who appoints prophets today?  
 
 
2. NARGIS: “Quran is the First, the last, THE ONLY REVELATION given to mankind”.  
 
We certainly agree that Al-Quran is the Last Revelation. The Prophets or at least some of them anyway, were given books/scriptures from Allah. This was certainly the case with “Muhammad”.  
 
A. So, given that Al-Quran is the Last Revelation and Allah only revealed books to prophets, of what need then is there for prophets today or at the time of “Muhammad”?  
 
B. Given that there will be no more books/revelations from Allah, and given that prophets were required to follow what was revealed as well, and, given that a messenger of Allah can be anyone who delivers any aspect of Al-Quran correctly to others, what then, can a prophet do today that a messenger from Allah cannot do?  
 
Looking to your reply  
 
Dhulqaranin-  
 

Comments by: DHULQARNAIN On 13 September 2011Report Abuse
Peace Br. Dawood,  
 
You are, in my view, very articulate. If you agree with the following, could you better articulate what I'm calling  
 
1. False Prophetism  
 
2. Allah's safeguard against False Prophetism --Al-Khatim Nabiyeen/The Last of the Prophets.  
 
If you do not agree, that would be fine too. Thank you.  
 
Such an extraordinary claim demands extraordinary evidence and not just your's/Aastana’s word for it. The implications of your claims are vast and potentially very destructive. For example, you probably know of several people who have claimed to be prophets. One individual, just recently, claimed that on May 23, the world was going to end. Look how many people were deceived by this “prophet”. Some abandoned all of their worldly goods; others had profound panic attacks or both. Look how many are now turned off to God, because of this so-called prophet. So, when you support the notion of ongoing nabis/prophets, you are obligated to point at least two of them out and prove that they were/are, in fact, nabis, otherwise, you legitimize those who claim to be nabis--those who only want to exploit humanity.  
 
What you are doing by your assertions, without realizing it, is giving license to what I will term--false prophetism. You see Nargis, because “Muhammad” was Al-Khatim Nabiyeen,The Last of the Prophets, anyone claiming to be a prophet after him would immediately be known to be a liar/a false prophet and either be ignored or exposed as such. Allah, by making “Muhammad” Al-Khatim Nabiyeen,The Last of the Prophets, safeguarded His servants from falling prey to false prophetism. Your assertion undoes this tremendous safeguard which Allah has put in place, thereby, making his servants vulnerable to false prophetism and--all that that implies. So, for you to attempt to undo Allah’s safeguard, you must now, beyond any shadow of a doubt, prove that;  
 
1. There were so many prophets at the time of “Muhammad”, by giving a name.  
 
2. The prophethood is a non-ending continuous process, by giving a name.  
 
Dhulqarnain-  
 

Comments by: naeem sheikh On 13 September 2011Report Abuse
Mr Dhulqarnain, Sister Nargis: Although Mr.Dhulqarnain has continuously/delebrately overlooked many facts and references quoted by his opponents, even then his consistancy (to seek truth) forced me to write few lines for your kind consideration.  
Your intensive debate in deferent threads at same topic has been observed,, I, personally concluded, that,both sides agreed upon the following points ( could be called commonalities), which could be fruitfull to all of us, as a student of Quran(The truth seekers)  
1)Both of you agreed at the continuation of Rasool/messangers in mankind till last day.  
2) Both of you are agreed at the eternality/finality of AlQuran/Alkitab.  
3) both of you are agreed at the principle of elaboration of Alkitab by Alkitab it self.  
4) Both of you are at the same wave length regarding Hadith/history/Mullahism( I mean totally rejected).  
5) Both of you reject Shirk( intermingling the other commandments in systems of life with Allah's one)  
 
6) Both of you agreed that Muhammad is Khatim annabiyeen who will remain in mankind in each era.( the difference is the MOHAMMAD as a personality and MOHAMMAD as a Alquran).  
7) Both of you are equiped with articution skils and Quranic knowledge.  
MY HAMBLE REQUEST IS,PLEASE JOIN YOUR HANDS TO TRASLATE/PROLIFERATE THE ALKITAB/DIVINE MESSAGE TO BRING MANKIND IN LIGHT FOR THEIR SALVATION AND SET ASIDE THE TERMINOLOGICAL DEBATE WHICH COULD ONLY RESTRICT TO THE DEFINATIONS OF FEW TERMS.  
Sincere yours.  

Comments by: Nargis2 On 13 September 2011Report Abuse

Dawood, you didn't answer my questions. How does the words in the Quran change with and "empirical evidence"? and what part of the grammar or essence is changed by an "empirical evidence" ?  
 
Is the word Allah changed by empirical evidences" ?  
 
Does Muhammed mean something else according to the Quran , and something else by "empirical evidences"?  
 
What does Khatim mean by "empirical evidences" and by the Quran?  
 
Dawood:-

"Khatim signifies the agent along with it, i.e. the person sealing or stamping"

Br Waseem Ameer

"if Faa-il is the one who does Fail  
if Qaatil is the one who does qatal  
why not khaatam is the one who does khatam, if khaatam= khaatim as advised by Ahle-lughat "

So when the word is fail, is it "seal" or "sealer"? is it stamp or the one who stamp something? do you see the difference?  
 
Why is there a difference between katib,qatil and khatim when they are written under the same paradigms?How is an empirical evidence changing the grammar?  
 
And, does it say khatim of prophets or "propphethood" نبوة ? What is the difference?  
 
And please answer:-  
 
How would you translate “Mohammed is Katibl un nabiyeen?”,  
How would you translate “Mohammed is Qadir un nabiyeen?”  
How would you translate “Mohammed is Qatil un nabiyeen?”  
How would you translate “Mohammed is Khatim un nabiyeen


Comments by: Nargis2 On 13 September 2011Report Abuse
The messenger of Allah is not the doer in this case. It is Allah who is putting him as a SEAL OF THE PROPHETS. Thus, the prophethood is sealed via the last prophet by the Allah himself. It simply means the end of the prophethood.

Do you understand what hab been said when we say the word KHATIM IS UNDER THE PARADIGM OF FAIL? Do you get it?  
 
As you may probably notice is that at the word تَم خا there is a زبر over the letter ت , So the paradigm is عَل فا with a زبر over ع Similar words the paradigm فاعل ( fa’il ) are کاتب katib قاتل qatil قادر qadir حامل hamil etc  
 
the word khatim is written under the same paradigm as the other words and it has the faculty of a doer. *****  
 
Although, Khatam is at the paradigm of Fa-al, same as Aalam. But in lexicons, Fa-al and Fa-il has no difference, but still it gives you the meaning of doer.  
 
Qatil= A person who does Qatal  
 
Do you understand khatim / Qatil are paradigms of فاعل ? If the Quran said Muhammed is Qatil unabiyeena, would it still mean Allah is the Qatil unabiyeena? do you understand the word "khatim" as a fail means the noun is displaying the faculty of a doer, it is a ref to the doer and not Allah ?...


Comments by: DHULQARNAIN On 13 September 2011Report Abuse
Nargis,  
 
***Dawood, you didn't answer my questions. How does the words in the Quran change with and "empirical evidence"? and what part of the grammar or essence is changed by an "empirical evidence" ? Is the word Allah changed by empirical evidences" ? Does Muhammed mean something else according to the Quran , and something else by "empirical evidences"? What does Khatim mean by "empirical evidences" and by the Quran?***  
 
When are you going to answer my questions?  
 
EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE: verifiable or provable by means of observation or experiment: empirical laws; guided by practical experience and not theory, especially in medicineempirical research is research that derives its data by means of direct observation or experiment, such research is used to answer a question or test a hypothesis; evidence that can be observed through the senses, it can be seen, touched, heard, smelled, tasted and, to some extent, measured: Empirical evidence is a provable fact that shows unquestionable results. It is the observable proof that knowledge was gained by data, rather than hypothesis, or conjecture; If evidence is deemed empiracal, it is considered beyond question or reproach.  
 
Given the definitions for empirical evidence, certainly a word is not chnaged by it, however, empirical evidence will determine if the word is, in fact, being properly understood, hence, the viewer of the word will be changed based on the empirical evidence.  
 
Following are just a few ayats where Allah is telling His servants to seek out empirical evidence:  
 
16:36 And certainly We raised in every nation an apostle saying: Serve Allah and shun the Shaitan. So there were some of them whom Allah guided and there were others against whom error was due; therefore travel in the land, then see what was the.end of the rejecters.  
 
6:11 Say: Travel in the land, then see what was the end of the rejecters.  
 
35:44 Have they not travelled in the land and seen how was the end of those before them while they were stronger than these in power? And Allah is not such that any thing in the heavens or in the earth should escape Him; surely He is Knowing, Powerful.  
 
14:19 Do you not see that Allah created the heavens and the earth with truth? If He please He will take you off and bring a new creation,  
 
16:79 Do they not see the birds, constrained in the middle of the sky? None withholds them but Allah; most surely there are signs in this for a people who believe.  
 
22:63 Do you not see that Allah sends down water from the cloud so the earth becomes green? Surely Allah is Benignant, Aware.  
 
24:43 Do you not see that Allah drives along the clouds, then gathers them together, then piles them up, so that you see the rain coming forth from their midst? And He sends down of the clouds that are (like) mountains wherein is hail, afflicting therewith whom He pleases and turning it away from whom He pleases; the flash of His lightning almost takes away the sight  
 
31:29 Do you not see that Allah makes the night to enter into the day, and He makes the day to enter into the night, and He has made the sun and the moon subservient (to you); each pursues its course till an appointed time; and that Allah is Aware of what you do?  
 
31:31 Do you not see that the ships run on in the sea by Allah's favor that He may show you of His signs? Most surely there are signs in this for every patient endurer, grateful one.  
 
67:19 Have they not seen the birds above them expanding (their wings) and contracting (them)? What is it that withholds them save the Beneficent God? Surely He sees everything.  
 
4:51 Have you not seen those to whom a portion of the Book has been given? They believe in idols and false deities and say of those who disbelieve: These are better guided in the path than those who believe.  
 
4:77 Have you not seen those to whom it was said: Withhold your hands, and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate; but when fighting is prescribed for them, lo! a party of them fear men as they ought to have feared Allah, or (even) with a greater fear, and say: Our Lord! why hast Thou ordained fighting for us? Wherefore didst Thou not grant us a delay to a near end? Say: The provision of this world is short, and the hereafter is better for him who guards (against evil); and you shall not be wronged the husk of a date stone.  
 
9:126 Do they not see that they are tried once or twice in every year, yet they do not turn (to Allah) nor do they mind.  
 
13:41 Do they not see that We are bringing destruction upon the land by curtailing it of its sides? And Allah pronounces a doom-- there is no repeller of His decree, and He is swift to take account.  
 
You, as I have stated several times now, have made an extraordinary claim that prophets existed at the time of "Muhammad" and ever since his death. Now, do you expect people to just take word for this? Don't you understand yet that no matter what the grammar may indicate in YOUR mind, once you assert, due to the grammar, other prophets existed at the time of "Muhammad" and ever since his death, you must must now produce the empirical evidence to support/verify the grammar and your theory/claim. What, do you think no one in the Islamic or non-Islamic worlds would challenge you on this theory/claim and demand your empirical evidence? What world do you live in?  
 
As I said in my prior post to you, Al-Khatim Nabiyeen/The Last Prophet is a safeguard against false prophetism. So for you or anyone to attempt to change the meaning of this term, you must bring very hard evidence for you theory/claim.  
 
As Allah says..."travel throughout the land and see" and "do you not see." So, take us throughout the land, past and present, and let us see verifiable proof for your teory/claim that prophets existed along with "Muhammad" and ever since his death. These are YOUR WORDS Nargis, uttered by your so-called grasp of the grammar. So, no matter what the grammar indicates, you must still bring your borhan/proof in the form of at least two names--one for a prophet at the time of "Muhammad" and one since his death, otherwise, your theory/claim is abject nonsense and distraction.  
 
Dhulqarnain-  
 

Comments by: DHULQARNAIN On 13 September 2011Report Abuse
Nargis, Moazzam, Waseemameer,  
 
***"NARGIS: In this verse (referring to 3:21 )…So when this verse was revealed to prophet Mohammad there were so many انبیاء and it is a non ending continuous process . Now keeping in mind the verse 21 of sura 3 ( already discussed above ) , which clearly indicates that so many prophets انبیاء were present in the times of prophet Mohammad . This verse no 40 of sura 33 is declaring that Mohammad was the seal of the prophets , which simply means He was the appointing authority of other prophets."***  
 
The following are the assertions which you both are defending derived from the above statement by Nargis:  
 
1. Al-Khatim Nabiyeen does not mean Last of the Prophets.  
 
2. Al-Khatim Nabiyeen does mean “Muhammad” was the appointing authority of other prophets.  
 
3. Other prophets existed at the time of “Muhammad”.  
 
4. There have been prophets since the death of “Muhammad”.  
 
5. Prophets are and ongoing class of people.  
 
You further assert that you’ve concluded the above to be true/factual based on the grammar. Fine. Let’s just say for argument sake that, based on THE GRAMMAR, your premises and conclusions are true/factual. The problem which continues to arise, and the one thing which all of you have yet to do is, how do you, GIVEN THE GRAMMAR EXPLANATIONS, empirically prove items 2, 3, 4and 5 to be true/factual? In other words, even if the grammar were to prove that Al-Khatim Nabiyeen does not mean Last of the Prophets you still must prove the rest of your assertion, that is, other prophets were around at the same time as "Muhammad", that prophets continued after his death, and that prophets are an ongoing class of people. The grammar will not make your other assertions true/factual.  
 
Don’t you expect anyone past the kindergarten level to ask you to prove your claims by giving them the name of an individual who was a prophets at the time of “Muhammad” and a name since his death? Without empirical proof—names, your assertions are meaningless to any rational/intelligent human being. Tell me who, outside of some here at Aastana Blog, would accept your premises and conclusions to be true/factual without absolute verification i.e. the identities of other prophets? What body of learned people would you go before and present you assertions and not give them proof? Who are they, because I would certainly like to know?  
 
Nargis, Moazzam, Waseemameer, it's time to stop trying to justify Nargis's above assertions.  
 
Dhulqarnain-  
 
 

Comments by: dawood On 14 September 2011Report Abuse
SA Sr Nargis and Waseem Ameer: I am responding to you both regarding the following. I think you both have similar questions.  
 
“Nargis: Do you understand what hab been said when we say the word KHATIM IS UNDER THE PARADIGM OF FAIL? Do you get it? As you may probably notice is that at the word تَم خا there is a زبر over the letter ت , So the paradigm is عَل فا with a زبر over ع Similar words the paradigm فاعل ( fa’il ) are کاتب katib قاتل qatil قادر qadir حامل hamil etc the word khatim is written under the same paradigm as the other words and it has the faculty of a doer. *****  
Although, Khatam is at the paradigm of Fa-al, same as Aalam. But in lexicons, Fa-al and Fa-il has no difference, but still it gives you the meaning of doer.  
Qatil= A person who does Qatal  
Do you understand khatim / Qatil are paradigms of فاعل ? If the Quran said Muhammed is Qatil unabiyeena, would it still mean Allah is the Qatil unabiyeena? do you understand the word "khatim" as a fail means the noun is displaying the faculty of a doer, it is a ref to the doer and not Allah ?...”  
 
As I said earlier, I am not an Arabic Grammar Expert. What I do understand are the following from Lane’s online Lexicon Book I, Vol. 2, pages 702-703. I will reproduce Lane’s words, word by word as much as I could. Anyone can go here http://mutazila.com/res/lex/Lexicon.htm to check it. I will only concentrate on the word KHATAM (in 33:30) with (zabar) on the letter tay (Ta).  
 
1. Line 4-6, column 1, page 702, para 1under Kha, Ta, Meem: “ TABAHU, [ He sealed, stamped, imprinted or impressed it]: Or he put the KHATAM [or signet] upon it.” Conclusion: KHATAM is being used as a noun, representing signet, seal.  
 
2. Line 1, para 2., column 3, page 702: “ ..[In modern Arabic, He put a KHATAM, or signet-ring, upon his (another’s) finger].” Conclusion: KHATAM is used as a noun, representing signet-ring.  
 
3. Line 3-4, par # 5, column 3, page 702: “ He put on [i.e. put on his own finger] a KHATAM [or signet-ring].” Conclusion as in 1-2, above.  
 
4. Line 10, par # 8, column 3, page 702:” see KHATAM-Also A sealed piece of clay [or wax].” Conclusion as above.  
 
5. Line 15, column 1, page 703: “ and BI-KHATAM-E RABIHA [with the seal of her Lord].” Again as a noun.  
 
6. Line 21 onward, column 1, page 703: “ ..Tha last of a company of men; as also KHATAM and KHATIM: whence KHATAMAN NABEYEEN [the last of prophets], in Kuran 33:40;” Conclusion-self explanatory.  
 
7. Line 34 onward, column 1, page 703: “KHATAMUHU MISK: and the explanation is this; that when anyone shall drink thereof, he will find the last cup thereof to have the odour of musk: Er-Raghib says that the meaning is, THE END, and the LAST DRAUGHT, i.e. what shall remain thereof shall be in perfume musk.” Conclusions, the last, the end.  
 
8. Last para, column 1, page 702: “KHATAM and KHA’TAM and KHATIM which is more commonly known than KHATAM and ……the last ....signify the same; [A signet; generally a signet ring;].” Conclusion as above.  
 
9. Line 10-11 on column 2, page 703: “ Or KHATIM signifies the agent [i.e. the person sealing or stamping];” Please note, here the word is KHATIM and not KHATAM which is in 33:40.  
 
10. Line 12 onward, column 2, page 703: “ KHATAM, the thing that is put upon a piece of clay [or wax for the purpose of sealing and stamping].” Conclusion: used as a noun.  
 
11. Line 22-23, column2, page 703: “KHATAM also signifies A seal, or stamp, and a mark;..” Same conclusion as above.  
 
I think the above is sufficient to point out that at least Lane does not approve of what you are suggesting. The word KHATAM in 33:40 is being used as a noun with meaning of being the SEAL or the LAST. The entire verse is categorically conveying from ALLAH to the readers that (i) Muhammad is not the Aba of you rijal (not Alrijal), (ii) But he is the messenger of Allah, and (iii) the SEAL of Prophets. According to the above points 1-11, Muhammad is the last of the Prophets. By virtue of him being the last prophet, one can say that he is sealing the office of the prophecy, meaning shutting it tight, no more imposters. Yet, it is Allah who has placed him there, he is not saying I am doing this.  
 
Your other questions are moot now in the light of above. However, if Empirical evidence suggests something that is contrary to your held views, that simply means your views need amending, not the other way round. While doing research in any field, one begins with certain hypothesis. If empirical data does not support your hypothesis, then you need to amend or revisit the hypothesis. Thus, if you cannot back up your claim with even a single piece of evidence from over more than 1400 years what does that convey to you? Isn’t it time to revisit your previously held views. This is indeed an attitude befitting MULLAHS, not to those who profess to use intellect, logic, and reasoning. I rest my case.  

Comments by: dawood On 14 September 2011Report Abuse
Br. Dhulqarnain, SA (peace be on you):  
 
"Dhulqarnain: You are, in my view, very articulate. If you agree with the following, could you better articulate what I'm calling  
1. False Prophetism  
2. Allah's safeguard against False Prophetism --Al-Khatim Nabiyeen/The Last of the Prophets."  
 
Thank you for your kind words, dear Br. The fact is that you are way more articulate, as some others on this forum, than myself. Your observations are to the point and very logical. You hit the nail on the head with this: "Dhulqarnain: Given the definitions for empirical evidence, certainly a word is not chnaged by it, however, empirical evidence will determine if the word is, in fact, being properly understood, hence, the viewer of the word will be changed based on the empirical evidence."  
 
According to my humble understanding, it is not the lack of articulation, rather it is some kind of ego problem some members are displaying here. This is my understanding after reading various views on this blog.

Comments by: DHULQARNAIN On 14 September 2011Report Abuse
Salaamun Alaikum, Dawood,  
 
Thank you once again for kind words, brother. I find you your posts a pleasure to read. You present your case rationally, clearly, accurately, and dispassionately; you debate well. Below are some topics I’ve been exploring in order to defeat the Ritualist so-called Muslims in debate. Perhaps we can discuss them.  
 
***According to my humble understanding, it is not the lack of articulation; rather it is some kind of ego problem some members are displaying here. This is my understanding after reading various views on this blog. ***  
 
I completely agree with you. Given their so-called “dedication to human rights”, the Lane’s definition of khatam, and their inability to provide empirical evidence for their ongoing prophets assertion, you’d think they would have the ego-strength and the sincerity of faith to simply admit that they are wrong on this particular topic. If find it mindboggling that anyone, after clear evidence has come to them, would continue to support such a blatantly superstitious and un-Quranic positions, especially, given the gruesome consequences which await those who assign a lie to Allah. How can they proffer that they are about human rights and be so unwilling to admit when their wrong?! How can they forward human rights by continuing to subscribe to and promulgate inaccurate assertions? Human rights can only be forwarded by the truth and, conversely, those rights are undermined by what is not the truth. I striven all my adult life, regardless of the subject, to know what I’m talking about so as to never ever misinform anyone of anything. It is awful to misinform people.  
 
Here are some topics I’m working on. Do any interest you? If so, perhaps we can discuss it.  
 
1. AHMAD  
2. ALLAHU AKBAR  
3. FULLY DETAILED  
4. GUIDANCE  
5. HADITH  
6. HIJAB  
7. JUMAA  
8. MAJORITY  
9. MESSAGE IN THE LANGUAGE OF THE PEOPLE  
10. MESSAGE AS MESSENGER  
11. MUTASHABIYAH  
12. QURAN ALONE  
13. SALAA  
14. ZAKAA  
15. SHAHADATAIN  
16, SHIRK  
17. ALLAH IS SUFFICIENT  
18. FLESH OF SWINE IS LAWFUL TO EAT  
19. SUBMIT  
20. HOW DOES ONE BECOME MUSLIM  
 
Dhulqarnain-  

Comments by: moazzam On 14 September 2011
Dear brother Dawood!The empirical evidences could be accredited by Quran, but Quranic truth can’t be ignored if we not find empirical evidence in that regard.  
Question: You must now produce the empirical evidence to support/verify the grammar and your theory/claim. What, do you think no one in the Islamic or non-Islamic worlds would challenge you on this theory/claim and demand your empirical evidence? What world do you live in?  
Moazzam: SURE THE QURANIC TRUTH COULD BE PROVED BY EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE BY /FOR THE PEOPLE WHO HAS ABILITY TO OBSERVE, NOT FOR BLINDS.  
REMEMBER; MULLAHs MADE THE RELIGIOUS DUMB THE BLIND FOLLOWERS, THEREFORE THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO SEE ANY THING OTHER THAN THE FEEDED ONE.  
Do you believe that character “Firoah” could be seen in societies? If yes, then provide some names as empirical evidence in support, if you fail to produce the name ,it doesn’t mean this universal truth is false.  
Question: So, no matter what the grammar indicates, you must still bring your borhan/proof in the form of at least two names--one for a prophet at the time of "Muhammad" and one since his death, otherwise, your theory/claim is abject nonsense and distraction.  
Moazzam: Remember “Rasool” will remain in societies, if we/you/any of us can’t recognize him , it doesn’t mean the Quran is wrong. All the characters described in Alkitab(Qasas) are eternal generic templates, their live characters could be seen as a model in each society till the last day, therefore we say ALKITAB is guide book beyond time and space.  

Comments by: naeem sheikh On 14 September 2011Report Abuse
Dawood, Dhulqarnain:  
Here are some topics I’m working on. Do any interest you? If so, perhaps we can discuss it (Dhulqarnain).  
O K Discuss any topic but should not rely on ORTHODOX TRANSLATION, rather present Arabic verses as it is, if you are competent in Arabic text other wise your presented translations will be scrutinized/ discussed prior to involve in debate.If you agreed then proceed further,and start with "HOW DOES ONE BECOME MUSLIM" other wise don't wast your valuable time at this forum and others as well.  
YOU HAVE WASTED MUCH TIME AND AASTANA BLOG'S SPACE WITH YOUR ORTHODOX TRANSLATION( Which doesn't come under the auspices of Quran , also not meet the minimum requirements to match the context of the subject under question).  
 

Comments by: Nargis2 On 14 September 2011Report Abuse

Brother Moazzam and Naeem sheikh and other participants  
 
leave Dawood and Dhulqarnain and ignore them completely. Thats what they have done with our arguments, overlooked them completely and made us waste time. I have copy pasted old posts for Dawood when he claimed we haven't backed up our claim regarding Moses and Al Kitab through the Quran. It shows us clearly he is here to kill time and ignore, not to learn. Now he want empirical evidence to change the Quraniq words. And we don't go out of the Quran. Remind me of Mubashir from Ourbeacon, who started to post Jewish namaz to prove Namaz is Islamic.  
 
Dhulqarnain too have completely overlooked the grammatical facts, and he have continued like a parrot with ear plugs with the same rubbish. Talking to people like that is waste of time, we have loads of work to do.  
 
If someone ask a question, we should answer and explain it the way we understand then move on to next question. There are loads of people who need our time and effort, people with an hidden agenda cant be wasted time on.  
 
I have realized that after reading every post of Dawood , I have gone back in history and read all of his posts. Read each and every post,-and I bet you will come to the same conclusion.  
 
Rather lets wait for honest students who want to know what the Quran say and not what empirical evidences say or give any importance to names. It's better to use time on one honest student instead of dishonest mullahs with hidden agendas. In fact, its easier --> Anyone who want us to go outside the Quran to prove something for them, is not a student of the Quran, thus we cannot help him.


Comments by: DHULQARNAIN On 14 September 2011Report Abuse
Moazzam,  
 
***Dear brother Dawood!The empirical evidences could be accredited by Quran, but Quranic truth can’t be ignored if we not find empirical evidence in that regard.***  
 
Not in this case, Moazzam. Good try but it’s not going to fly.  
 
Allah states in ayat 44:5: A command from Us — truly We are ever sending messengers —  
 
You, Nargis, Aastana Blog state: “The prophethood is a non-ending continuous process.”  
 
You, Nargis, Aastana Blog, made the exact same statement as Allah, except, you made in regard to prophets, whereas, Allah didn’t. Nowhere does Allah state that—“truly We are ever sending prophets”, now does He? If I’m wrong, then post the ayat where He says that. There is empirical evidence for ayat 44:5, it can be verified. Anyone accurately conveying The Message/ Al-Quran to others is a messenger. I am a messenger and I have a name. I can be indentified and questioned. People can read my posts. So there is empirical evidence for ayat 44:5.  
 
Now, for you to claim that the prophets are a non-ending continuous process, you must, likewise, provide empirical evidence for that claim by indentifying a prophet by name, so that what he said or wrote or both can be scrutinized in order to determine the veracity of his claim of being a prophet.  
 
You and Nargis claim that prophets existed at the time of “Muhammad”, since his death, and are an ongoing process. Given that nowhere in Al-Quran has Allah stated: “The prophets are a non-ending continuous process.”/ truly We are ever sending prophets”, you have not, in fact, uttered a Quranic Truth, because if you had your claim would be verifiable in the world just as messengers are verifiable in the world.  
 
DHULQARNAIN: Question: You must now produce the empirical evidence to support/verify the grammar and your theory/claim. What, do you think no one in the Islamic or non-Islamic worlds would challenge you on this theory/claim and demand your empirical evidence? What world do you live in?  
 
***Moazzam: SURE THE QURANIC TRUTH COULD BE PROVED BY EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE BY /FOR THE PEOPLE WHO HAS ABILITY TO OBSERVE, NOT FOR BLINDS.  
REMEMBER; MULLAHs MADE THE RELIGIOUS DUMB THE BLIND FOLLOWERS, THEREFORE THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO SEE ANY THING OTHER THAN THE FEEDED ONE.***  
 
Well, given what you just stated, had you uttered a Quranic Truth i.e. “that prophets existed at the time of “Muhammad”, since his death, and are an ongoing process”, then you must have empirical evidence, that is, names to prove that what you stated is, in fact, a Quranic Truth! So, where are some names? Once again, we are not talking about mullahs, we are talking about prophets/nabis. You criticize the mullahs for doing exactly the same thing you’re doing…asking people to follow your assertions, but can produce no empirical evidence. What is that if not blind following?  
 
 
***Do you believe that character “Firoah” could be seen in societies? If yes, then provide some names as empirical evidence in support, if you fail to produce the name ,it doesn’t mean this universal truth is false. ***  
 
Firon, as with prophet, is a title. We are discussing the title “prophe/nabit”. No one in the world today bears the title Firon, if so, tell me his/her name. Where is your empirical evidence for firons in the world? There are people in the world who think they are a god, however, are they, in fact, a god…or simply human beings?  
 
DHULQARNAIN: Question: So, no matter what the grammar indicates, you must still bring your borhan/proof in the form of at least two names--one for a prophet at the time of "Muhammad" and one since his death, otherwise, your theory/claim is abject nonsense and distraction.  
 
***Moazzam: Remember “Rasool” will remain in societies, if we/you/any of us can’t recognize him , it doesn’t mean the Quran is wrong. All the characters described in Alkitab(Qasas) are eternal generic templates, their live characters could be seen as a model in each society till the last day, therefore we say ALKITAB is guide book beyond time and space.***  
 
There you go again trying desperately to exchange rasool for nabi. It’s not going to work Moazzam so you may as well stop trying to slip that by me/us. We are discussing nabi/prophet not rasool/messenger. As I’ve said probably 17 times now, Allah has stated in ayat 44:5: A command from Us — truly We are ever sending rasools/ messengers —. So we know rasools/messengers are in society. Your task is to provide empirical evidence for…“ever sending prophets” in society by giving us at least two names of prophets. If you cannot do this then stop with the denial, rationalizations, and double talk and just admit you’re wrong and let’s keep it moving.  
 
Moazzam, no matter what you do, you will not be able to prove your assertions about nabi. Al-Quran, The Words of Allah do not support your claim. For you to continue to insist that nabis existed at the time of “Muhammad” , since his death, and are an ongoing class of people who exist today and you can produce no empirical evidence for your claim, is to be in OPPOSITION to Al-Quran/The Words of Allah. There is no other way to express what you, Nargis, and some others are doing.  
 
Dhulqarnain-  
 

Comments by: DHULQARNAIN On 14 September 2011Report Abuse
Nargis,  
 
***Dhulqarnain too have completely overlooked the grammatical facts,. Rather lets wait for honest students who want to know what the Quran say and not what empirical evidences say or give any importance to names. ***  
 
Nargis, please, you have no more regard for the grammar than you do facts. You and Moazzam deny that Ibrahim, Musa, and Isa, for examples, are proper nouns/actual names, calling them instead “attributes”, yet, the grammar defines them as proper nouns/names. So please with your hypocrisy about “overlooking grammar”. And another thing, grammar, will not supersede context and empirical evidence. Empircal evidence cannot change a word, deceiver, NONE CAN CHANGE THE WORDS OF ALLAH/THE MEANING OF IS WORDS. Empirical evidence can only change the viewer’s misunderstanding of a word, hopefully.  
 
You said the following and it will hang around your neck like a dead albatross until you come clean and admit that you’re wrong about it:  
 
***NARGIS:1.There were so many prophets at the time of Muhammad. 2. The prophets are a non-ending continuous process. 3. Al-Khatim Nabiyeen simply mean “Muhammad” was the appointing authority of other prophets.***  
 
Allah, PER THE GRAMMAR, has NAMED some of His PROPHETS, hence, you likewise, must name at least two prophets out of the..soooo many prophets from the time of “Muhammad” up to the present, otherwise, you are perpetrating and perpetuating an egregious fraud.  
 
***If someone ask a question, we should answer and explain it the way we understand then move on to next question. ***  
 
Yeah, that will really work in the real world.  
 
*** It's better to use time on one honest student instead of dishonest mullahs with hidden agendas.***  
 
A true self-confession if there ever was one. You give whole new depth and breadth to the term dissembling, you know that?  
 
Your following comments are a real joke and is a testament to your hypocrisy.  
 
*** Rather lets wait for honest students who want to know what the Quran say and not what empirical evidences say I have realized that after reading every post of Dawood , I have gone back in history and read all of his posts. Read each and every post,-and I bet you will come to the same conclusion. In fact, its easier --> Anyone who want us to go outside the Quran to prove something for them, is not a student of the Quran, thus we cannot help him.***  
 
LOL hysterically! You state: “I have gone back in history…” LOL You’ve got to be kidding me! You have all the time in the world and have no problem going “back in history” to seek out empirical evidence regarding Dawood, but when asked to go back in history and provide empirical evidence about your unsubstantiated crazy claims regarding soooo many prophets/ongoing prophets etc., well, you have no time to find that historical empirical evidence, despite the fact that, Allah has commanded you do just that! There are many ayats where Allah commands His servants to go outside of Al-Quran and get empirical evidence for its claims. Yet, you have the temerity to utter the following shirk : “Anyone who want us to go outside the Quran to prove something for them, is not a student of the Quran,” Your behavior is nothing less than fraudulent.  
 
Do you really think you can go out in public and present your bizarre notions to people and they will not challenge you as I and Dawood have? You are truly kidding yourself. Listen, why don't either you, Moazzam, Waseemameer, Qamar, naeem sheikh, yellow-cow or whoever, and present your views on Youtube...in english. Why don't you do that and link it to Aastana Blog? You might get more members, who knows. :D  
 
Dawood, really broke the back of your argument with the Lane's definitions, eh? Now you have no definition to back you up nor empirical evidence from history to back you up. LOL! hey, but you don't care, shoot, you have you own Quran! So who needs Allah's!  
 
Nargis, you have no idea how steeped in shirk and hypocrisy you are right now, but I suggest you find out and quickly.  
 
Dhulqarnain-  

Comments by: Nargis-Badshah-Salamat On 15 September 2011Report Abuse

Brother Waseem Amir, Moazzam, Naeem Sheikh ,,have a look at this ;) :-)

Dr Qamar Zaman: مَا كَانَ مُحَمَّدٌ أَبَا أَحَدٍ مِنْ رِجَالِكُمْ وَلَكِنْ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ وَخَاتَمَ النَّبِيِّينَ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عَلِيمًا  
 
Now as you can see in the word خا تَم there is a زبر Zabar over the alphabet َت , So the paradigm isفا عَل with a زبر zabar over عWhereas in the word خا ِتم there is a Zer زیر under the alphabet ت ,so the paradigm is فاعل with a زیر zer under ع The words found under the paradigm فاعل ( fa il )with a زیر are کاتب katib قاتل qatil قادر qadir حامل hamil etc  
 
--- as you can see the meanings of the words made under this paradigm has inherent meanings of having faculty of a doer performer ,or an operator .  
 
The word خاتم with a زبر over ت is not under this paradigm but it is under the paradigm فاعل with a زبر over ت .The other word made under the paradigm with a زبر over the alphabet ع is عالم meaning universe with a زبر over ل . So to construe the meaning of خاتَم as the last prophet is through interpretation

So khatim with zer or zabr over or under, is still the faculty of a doer...

Waseem Ameer :-:-Although, Khatam is at the paradigm of Fa-al, same as Aalam. But in lexicons, Fa-al and Fa-il has no difference, but still it gives you the meaning of doer.

Ameen Ahsan Islahi on page 239 of Tadabbur -e- Quran Book 6

. دونون اھل لغت کے نزدیک بالکل ھم معنی ھین " خاتم KHATIM خاتم Khatam  
 
Last man of a nation, Result of a thing , Last stamp of a letter, all these things are included in its meanings .”Although neither خاتم with زیر nor خاتم with زبر means to stop .The categorical word meaning the last is not used which is آخر ,this has made the whole confusion

Here comes the interesting part from

Lane :- .

6. Line 21 onward, column 1, page 703: “ ..Tha last of a company of men; as

also KHATAM and KHATIM: whence

Here one can see Lane does not differentiate between khaTIM of khaTAM, so there is no difference in its faculty as a doer. Katib is a doer and Alam is a doer, no difference between these two being the agents, person who are katibs or Alams - It gets better:-

Line 10-11 on column 2, page 703:

“ Or KHATIM signifies the agent [i.e. the person sealing or stamping];”

Brother Bkanwar, :-

33:40 مَّا كَانَ مُحَمَّدٌ أَبَا أَحَدٍ مِّن رِّجَالِكُمْ وَلَكِن رَّسُولَ اللَّهِ وَخَاتَمَ النَّبِيِّينَ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عَلِيمًا  
 
No one can be praised single handedly, among your ancestors,you mankind; But for the message bearers for the One who is not a diety for worship, and those informing the mankind with this announcement of great benefit resulting in knowledge, predominating in thoughtfulness and truth bearing a seal of its authenticity . And the One, who is not the diety for worship, continues to make it clear both inferentially and intuitively, all (such truth) as he has caused to exist.  
 
I have choosen to translate رِجَالٌ as mankind. I have translated أَبَا as ancestors.  
 
The reason for taking رِجَالٌ as mankind are several. But all are linguistic. Please first of all understand it in Urdu, then it should be easier to understand in language of Quran. In Urdu آدمى is a word commonly used for male gender. But in fact it is only by common use that it is considered of male gender. In fact this word is neutral in gender. For example when we say " Adami Kam Chuor Ha", it includes both men and women. Furthermore, رِجَلَتهٌ is not a word that appears in Quran, although one may find it later in Hadith literature, clearly supporting the point, I am trying to make. Hope this helps.

Dear brothers, Moazzam, Waseem Ameer and Naeem Sheikh, as you can see, those who know Arabic, ,,,know what they are talking about --;) Moral of this story, ALWAYS read and study what you post as a proof, be it Lane ,Leila, Lina or whatever,hehehe

 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETGu9kKM6CI

Comments by: waseemameer On 15 September 2011Report Abuse
Dear Dhulqurnain and Dawood  
The most important thing which I want to mention here is what we want to acheive from 33/40. If we beleive that Muhammad was the last prophet, how it would practically apply today. or just beleive that Muhammad was the last prophet, go home , sleep and that's it. No practical solutions to today's problem. What if you want to convince a non Muslim, or a person looking to serve Humanity, and looking for divine laws. How would you convince him that Quran is the solution of all golobal problems/issues, by telling them that Muhammad was last prophet. What do you think what would his reaction be?  
 
As far as the grammar is concern, Any noun, giving "tanween" at the end is 'Common noun'. Muhmmadun is common noun, with the basic grammar rule. But as usual, the so called ritualist, tried to change this rule, which they couldn't. But they introduced an " exception" as MUHAMMADUN, Nuhun,Lootun are not common noun.

Comments by: DHULQARNAIN On 15 September 2011Report Abuse
Waseemameer,  
 
Thank you for a good question.  
 
***Dear Dhulqurnain and Dawood, The most important thing which I want to mention here is what we want to acheive from 33/40. If we beleive that Muhammad was the last prophet, how it would practically apply today. or just beleive that Muhammad was the last prophet, go home , sleep and that's it. No practical solutions to today's problem.***  
 
Did you read my prior post? If you did I think you might see it’s huge practical application. I will repeat it here:  
Such an extraordinary claim demands extraordinary evidence and not just your's/Aastana’s word for it. The implications of your claims are vast and potentially very destructive. For example, you probably know of several people who have claimed to be prophets. One individual, just recently, claimed that on May 23, the world was going to end. Look how many people were deceived by this “prophet”. Some abandoned all of their worldly goods; others had profound panic attacks or both. Look how many are now turned off to God, because of this so-called prophet. So, when you support the notion of ongoing nabis/prophets, you are obligated to point at least two of them out and prove that they were/are, in fact, nabis, otherwise, you legitimize those who claim to be nabis--those who only want to exploit humanity.  
 
What you are doing by your assertions, without realizing it, is giving license to what I will term--false prophetism. You see Nargis, because “Muhammad” was Al-Khatim Nabiyeen,The Last of the Prophets, anyone claiming to be a prophet after him would immediately be known to be a liar/a false prophet and either be ignored or exposed as such. Allah, by making “Muhammad” Al-Khatim Nabiyeen,The Last of the Prophets, safeguarded His servants from falling prey to false prophetism. Your assertion undoes this tremendous safeguard which Allah has put in place, thereby, making his servants vulnerable to false prophetism and--all that that implies. So, for you to attempt to undo Allah’s safeguard…  
 
***What if you want to convince a non Muslim, or a person looking to serve Humanity, and looking for divine laws. ***  
 
Humans were not created to serve humanity, they were created to serve Allah:  
 
51:56 And I have not created the jinn and the men except that they should serve Me.  
 
*** How would you convince him that Quran is the solution of all golobal problems/issues, by telling them that Muhammad was last prophet.***  
 
Read my above comment about “Prophetism”.  
 
*** What do you think what would his reaction be?***  
 
I think the individual would appreciate knowing that he/society could not be deceived by false prophets, given that, “Muhammad” was the Last Prophet. Had people realized this, then we wouldn’t have Jehovah Witnesses and the Latter Day Saints, among other “religions” today misleading people worldwide.  
 
***As far as the grammar is concern, Any noun, giving "tanween" at the end is 'Common noun'. Muhmmadun is common noun, with the basic grammar rule. But as usual, the so called ritualist, tried to change this rule, which they couldn't. But they introduced an " exception" as MUHAMMADUN, Nuhun,Lootun are not common noun.***  
 
What about Ibrahim, Musa, and Isa…are they common nouns or proper nouns/names?  
 
How do you see 33:40 being applied practically?  
 
What is your response to the following?  
 
Allah states in ayat 44:5: A command from Us — truly We are ever sending messengers —  
 
You, Nargis, Aastana Blog state: “The prophethood is a non-ending continuous process.”  
 
You, Nargis, Aastana Blog, made the exact same statement as Allah, except, you made in regard to prophets, whereas, Allah didn’t. Nowhere does Allah state that—“truly We are ever sending prophets”, now does He? If I’m wrong, then post the ayat where He says that. There is empirical evidence for ayat 44:5, it can be verified. Anyone accurately conveying The Message/ Al-Quran to others is a messenger. I am a messenger and I have a name. I can be indentified and questioned. People can read my posts. So there is empirical evidence for ayat 44:5.  
 
Now, for you to claim that the prophets are a non-ending continuous process, you must, likewise, provide empirical evidence for that claim by indentifying a prophet by name, so that what he said or wrote or both can be scrutinized in order to determine the veracity of his claim of being a prophet.  
 
Dhulqarnain-  

Comments by: waseemameer On 15 September 2011Report Abuse
Dhulqurnain  
 
*******Humans were not created to serve humanity, they were created to serve Allah:  
That is a huge difference between yourself and AASTANA, no way the two can gather at one platform. Althogh I can explain you the true meaning of 51/56, but that would create new discussion.  
Enough from me.

Comments by: DHULQARNAIN On 15 September 2011Report Abuse
Waseemameer,  
 
You didn't answer my questions to you?  
 
Don't you think you should reciprocate?  
 
Dhulqarnain-  
 

Comments by: moazzam On 15 September 2011
Brother Waseemameer! YOU ARE 100 % RIGHT THAT A MAN WHO DOESN'T HAVE THE SENSE OF TERM "IBADA" AND BELIEVE IN "Humans were not created to serve humanity, they were created to serve Allah:" HE CANT RUN WITH AASTANS AT ALL.  
Secondly, the man at the same time is confused in the prophet hood can never ever comprehend the sense of KHATIM ANNABIYEEN. they think the prophet are supper natural/super human, same as the religious mullah and their dumb followers believes.  
It is advised pleas don't waste your time to discuss such a matter which is beyond their caliber, Mr.Dawood and Mr Dhulqarnain both are Arabic blind and totally depends( insists) at orthodox translations only.  
Brother Naeem sheikh whole heatedly offed Mr Dhulqarnain to discuss his own favorite research topics with out relying at orthodox traslation, but he intentionally ignored.

Comments by: dawood On 15 September 2011Report Abuse
SA Sr Nargis and others: I am sorry in responding somewhat late to this due to time constraints. Please consider the following.  
 
“Nargis: 6. Line 21 onward, column 1, page 703: “ ..Tha last of a company of men; as also KHATAM and KHATIM: whence ….Here one can see Lane does not differentiate between khaTIM of khaTAM, so there is no difference in its faculty as a doer. Katib is a doer and Alam is a doer, no difference between these two being the agents, person who are katibs or Alams - It gets better:- Line 10-11 on column 2, page 703: “ Or KHATIM signifies the agent [i.e. the person sealing or stamping];”  
 
1. Lets assume, Lane does not differentiate between KHATAM and KHATIM. Then what is his conclusion after not differentiating between these two forms: (i) The last of a company of men, (ii) as also KHATAM and KHATIM: whence KHATAMUN NABIYEEN/ (KHATIMUN NABEYEEN, this is my insertion) [The last of the Prophets]. So one can clearly see that Lane is using this word as a noun, and Lane’s conclusion is unmistakably in favor of this phrase in 33:40 to mean, “THE LAST OF THE PROPHETS.” Secondly, read the entire lexicon of Lane on pages 702-3 and you will find an overwhelming evidence in favor of the above. In fact, Lane has quoted the exact phrase verbatim from the Quran and translated it as above. Is Lane making an error too in translating this phrase?  
 
2. Lets now assume that you are right in asserting this: “ Nargis: Al-Khatim Nabiyeen simply mean “Muhammad” was the appointing authority of other prophets.” Now consider the following:  
 
a. Which main-line or major Lexicon(s) has translated KHATIM/KHATAM as an “APPOINTING AUTHORITY.”???  
 
b. Muhammad is the appointing authority of ALNABIYEEN, THE PROPHETS. Can you quote a verse or a reference from the Quran showing unambiguously that THE PROPHETS are appointed by the people.  
 
c. This phrase is not used with reference to any other prophets. Why would this rule be specific to this prophet and not for others who went before him? How did they (prophets prior to Muhammad) used to appoint the ALNABIYEEN in their times, given that this is only specific to Muhammad. If they were free to appoint anyone as the prophet without Allah’s express permission, why it became necessary to grant this permission to Muhammad, given the precedence already set by the prophets prior to Muhammad?  
 
3. There is no evidence (empirical, historical, Quranic) whatsoever that there existed any other Prophet during the time of Muhammad. On top of this, there is no evidence in the writings of other religions like Christianity and Judaism to indicate that there existed any other prophets simultaneously along with Jesus, the son of Mary, and Moses and Aaron, respectively. If you have any evidence, please bring it forward.  
 
4. If Prophets are an on-going process (as asserted by Nargis) then we should have seen dozens if not more during last 14 centuries claiming to be so. In order to successfully do so, they would have to bring their own Quran as well because prophets are confirmed through that medium, as is the case for prophet Muhammad who is confirmed by the Quran. Yes, we have seen a few cases of imposters.  
 
In the light of the above, I have only one recourse, i.e. to follow the overwhelming evidence and reject your assertion as a conjecture.  

Comments by: dawood On 16 September 2011Report Abuse
SA Dhulqarnain:  
 
"Dhulqarnain: Here are some topics I’m working on. Do any interest you? If so, perhaps we can discuss it."  
 
Yes Br., I am very much interested to know the meanings of all these words and phrases. I am however not very knowledgeable in Arabic grammar, and on top of it have time constraints that may not allow me to participate fully. If however you start on these one by one I would try to contribute as much as I can.  
 
Secondly, some of these topics are discussed in Dr. QZ's books available in pdf on this site. Unfortunately most of these are in Urdu and cannot benefit non-urdu readers. Some of these books/articles in my view are excellent and I have learned a lot from these articles/booklets.  

Comments by: dawood On 16 September 2011Report Abuse
SA, Waseemameer:  
"Waseemameer: The most important thing which I want to mention here is what we want to acheive from 33/40. If we beleive that Muhammad was the last prophet, how it would practically apply today. or just beleive that Muhammad was the last prophet, go home , sleep and that's it. No practical solutions to today's problem. What if you want to convince a non Muslim, or a person looking to serve Humanity, and looking for divine laws. How would you convince him that Quran is the solution of all golobal problems/issues, by telling them that Muhammad was last prophet. What do you think what would his reaction be?"  
 
I am not sure Br., how could "serving humanity and looking for divine laws" or practical implementation of divine commandments can be hampered by having the correct translation of a given word? If we leave an overwhelming body of evidence aside and go on weaker arguments then no sane person will take us seriously. No one can convince any sane person using peripheral evidence and arguments, no matter how flowery the discourse becomes.  
 
I don't know what the reaction of a non-muslim be on hearing that "muhammad was the last prophet"? You can enlighten me on this. I do know however that if I were that non-muslim then I would immediately ask " who is the present-day Nabi, and where is his quran?" Do you have an answer to this?  

Comments by: dawood On 16 September 2011Report Abuse
SA Br. Moazzam:  
"Moazzam: Dear brother Dawood!The empirical evidences could be accredited by Quran, but Quranic truth can’t be ignored if we not find empirical evidence in that regard. "  
 
Dear Br., which truth are we talking about. Your truth, my truth, sister Nargis's truth? How do you verify that it is indeed the truth? My understanding is that there is only one option, i.e., to follow the evidence trail that will eventually lead you to the truth. The evidence in this case points me in the direction that is contrary to what you and Nargis are asserting. Thus, I need to see a stronger evidence to ditch all Lexicons (a stronger evidence) in favor of your claim.

Comments by: dawood On 16 September 2011Report Abuse
SA, Br. Moazzam:  
"Moazzam: it is advised pleas don't waste your time to discuss such a matter which is beyond their caliber, Mr.Dawood and Mr Dhulqarnain both are Arabic blind and totally depends( insists) at orthodox translations only."  
 
I have no problem in confessing that my Arabic language skills are rather poor. Being Arabic blind is however a whole lot better than being intellectually blind.  
 
The day you finish your translation of the Book of Allah, send me the link I will start using that one then on. Until then neither you nor I have any other choice.

Comments by: moazzam On 16 September 2011
Dear Dawood! Although i never claim myself among the intellectuals, therefore, the term intellectual blind blind not concerns to me.I meant when some one challenges the orthodox translations, there is one of the elements of empirical ground as well (if the ultimate results/outcome goes against the core message/context of the verses of Quran, i e futile rituals/dogmas/myth/supper natural belief).So we ought to reconfirm/recheck the translation rather to insist upon the same orthodox, then procead further to discuss the matter under questin, it ultimately requires mastery in Arabic language as well.

Comments by: moazzam On 16 September 2011
Dear Dawood! Although i never claim myself among the intellectuals, therefore, the term intellectual blind blind not concerns to me.I meant when some one challenges the orthodox translations, there is one of the elements of empirical ground as well (if the ultimate results/outcome goes against the core message/context of the verses of Quran, i e futile rituals/dogmas/myth/supper natural belief).So we ought to reconfirm/recheck the translation rather to insist upon the same orthodox, then proceed further to discuss the matter under question, it ultimately requires mastery in Arabic language as well.

Comments by: Adnan On 17 September 2011
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Dear aurangzaib sahib regards,the almost entire dean has been misinterprated and being followed by mass (so called muslims).In the light of Dr Qamars Quraanic research ,the most of europe seems nearly muslim states ware as muslims otherwise ,is it? Question by: moazzam From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 09/04/2010
 
sir, According to Quran, i heard that God is beyond man's thinkings and could not be limitized or shaped and also not imaginated(equel to nothing).If someone accepts existance of God then he is wrong. Question by: mac.cruise On 17/04/2010
 
dear dr qamar zaman,i want to ask you that at the time of imams how could such a large number of muslims be decived by tellin that the quranic word salat means the ritulistic namaz.sir i am so curious to know plz answer my question Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 30/04/2010
 
dear dr qamar zaman i wolul like to ask you whether you have written other books besides the bokks given at your site.if yes plz tell me the names of a few more books.may God bless you.Ameen Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 03/05/2010
 
dear dr qamar zaman my question is only for you i would like to ask you about GHUSAL after ejaculation in islam.is it necessary?what quran says about this? Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 04/05/2010
 
dear mr qamar zaman or aurangzeb i have heard from mullahs that a non-muslim i.e a hindu or christian or any ,will never ever enter the jannah i.e the heaven no matter how much beneficial for humanityh he is.what quran says? Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 10/05/2010
 
dear dr qamar zaman or aurangzeb i have read in quran that muslims are not allowed to have a friendship with christian or jews i do not know the verse.plz elaborate can we have frienship with chritians or jews or non muslims? Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 10/05/2010
 
my brother aurangzeb is eating parsad from hindus halal in islam. Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 10/05/2010
 
dear aurangzeb you said parsad is not haram.but what about the verse of the quran where allah says that blood and pig and any thing upon which the nane of sth other than allah is taken is haram.so parsad should be haram.isn't it?plz elaborate Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 11/05/2010
 
brother auranzaib or qamar zaman is shaking hand with a non mahram halal Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 12/05/2010
 
a person told me that salat is the same ritual namaz and quoted versr from the quran which tell three times namaz i will give you reference only cause the lack of space (11:114) and(17:78).plz expalin it is very confusing brother aurangzaib. Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 13/05/2010
 
dear dr qamar what is "TAWAAF".tell me about the hadiths which says:The "TAWAAF" will be continue untill the qayamat.is this a forged Hadith?plz elaborate Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 14/05/2010
 
dear aurangzaib, plz let me know about "ISTIKHARA".is it islamic?i have seen many people offering istikhara prayer Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 17/05/2010
 
dear aurangzaib i have heard that the "prophet Ibraham" was thrown into fire by "Namrood".and he was protected by Allah in the fire.is this mentioned in quran.isnt it a miracle and i think Allah does not do miracles.plz elaborat.thanks Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 18/05/2010
 
My understanding so far that Quran is free from myth, miracles, fantasies, superstitions, dogmas.etc.. So what is the Concept of Jannat & Dozakh… Question by: Danish roomi On 18/05/2010
 
Salam.. mojuda QURAN kya wohi QURAN hai jo AP S.A.W.W ne murattab krwaya???agr han to phir wo asal quran dunya me kahin mojud hai.?? or agar nahin to phir hum is QURAN pr kese etbar kren jese ahadis sahih nahi to wese QURAN b SAHIH Nahi. Question by: UMAR HUSSAIN On 18/05/2010
 
dear aurangzaib a person argud with me that we should not use our mind in islam because we say that allah is merciful but look in the jungle one animal kills another ruthlessly leavind its offsprings alone.is it not cruelity.plz give me answer Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 20/05/2010
 
dear brother aurangzaib, i acting for women in dramas and films or coming on televiion in news ,shows etc allowed in ilam.plz explain in the light of quran Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 20/05/2010
 
dear brother aurangzaib, pal let me know whether asking the parents of bride for "Jahaz" i .e dowry allowed in islam.give a satisfying answer in the light of the glorious quran Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 25/05/2010
 
Jnab Aurangzaib sb / Dr.Qamar sb. Is it zina with wife to go to her for enjoyment and not for child. Question by: alam1162@gmail.com From INDIA (DELHI) On 27/05/2010
 
dear brother aurangzaib i have heard from mullas that on the day of judgement the prophet wii do "SHAFA'At" for us.and qoute a verse from the ayatul kursi e.g "ila biznihi"is it right will prophet do SHAFA"AT For us.i think it is wrong plz explain Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 28/05/2010
 
dear brother aurangzaib some people have misconception that God is not good becuse if he knew that a person was going to the hell then why he created him.plz give a satiusfactory answer from your islamic mind Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 29/05/2010
 
what Quran says about "DAJJAL"?... Question by: Dr. Samreen Mohsin From PAKISTAN (KARACHI) On 01/06/2010
 
dear aurangzaib or dr qamar tell me how to argue with a person who says that growing beard is a fundamental part of slam and your islam is incopmplete without it.plz give me some arguments sothat i can answer such blind people.God bless you Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 02/06/2010
 
dear brother aurangzaib or qamar zaman the muslims preach there religion throughtout the world and so do the muskims of saudi arabia.but no non-muslim is allowed to preach his religion in saudi arabia.is it not unfair? Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 03/06/2010
 
Dr Sahab when we are looking for everything in Quran than how can we say that CARNIVOROUS ANIMALS like cat,lion,dog and other animals like horse etc are Haram in Islam as we dont find any verse which says that these are haram? Question by: Nadeem_Akhtar From PAKISTAN On 03/06/2010
 
Dr sahab u say tht sex 4 enjoyment is permited whereas G.A Pervez says under 4:24(al.quran) while explaning words MOHSENEN AND GHAIR MUSAFEHEN that it is not permited and it can be done only when baby is needed.plzz explain Question by: Nadeem_Akhtar From PAKISTAN On 03/06/2010
 
sir plz tell me why islam allows a muslim man to marry a ehle kitab woman and does not permit a muslim woman to marry a ehle kitab. why there is such boundation over a muslim lady?thnx Question by: ali.haideer From PAKISTAN (LARKANA) On 04/06/2010
 
brother auragzaib is not the worship of idols shirk.when you argue with people that hindus too will enter the jannah they quote a verse from the quran that allah never forgives shirk as idol worship is a shirk so hindus can never enter the jannah Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 05/06/2010
 
dear mr aurangzaib is the profession of a lawyer permissible in islam.beacuse i have heard many people that it is haram and the income of a lawyer is haram.plz explain Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 08/06/2010
 
salaam Dr. sahib, Quran means reading/recitation, so the hadith followers argue that it is just for reading. how to give them a justified answer. and why is Quran translated as reading when it is for implementing? Question by: shireen On 09/06/2010
 
Salam Aurangzeb Bhai, would u please explain the mystery of kaba for me, why it is for us ect.......... Question by: Nadeem_Akhtar From PAKISTAN On 11/06/2010
 
dear brother auragzaib quran says pray for the MAGHFIRAT of your parents .what does it mean? if my parents have done something against quran how can allah forgive because of my pray.plz let me know about this Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 11/06/2010
 
dear aurangzaib is there any mention of shroud for the deceased in the quran?is it neccessary?plz explain.God bless you Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 13/06/2010
 
dear brother aurangzaib plz tell me about some arabic lughats that are standard and suitable for me caz you know my level.and whats about al mawrid arabic-english dictionary?God bless you Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 14/06/2010
 
dear aurangzaib or qamar zaman if it was not the wife of the prophet zachariah that was barren but was his nation than whats your opinion about the verse(21-89-90) which says WA ISLAHAN LAKA ZAOJA and we cured his wife. Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 16/06/2010
 
dear brother aurangzaib is sayng "ALLAH O AKBAR" right according to quran? God bless you Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 17/06/2010
 
dear brother aurangzaib some people dedicate goat to their dead parents.or when they are in some trouble or ill they decide to dedicate a goat etc to dedicate.i think it is not right but i am not that confident plz give this confidence.explain Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 20/06/2010
 
dear qamar zaman or aurangzaib a muslim is one that lives in peace.if someone abuses ones sister or moher or wife it is quite unbearable.what should a muslim do in this situation?should he fight with such a person?plz elaborate Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 22/06/2010
 
dr qamar zaman sahab regards in one of your answers in blog you have mentioned that if any none muslam is doing a good deed he will be rewared in life after death and you have quoted a verse of quran, but i want to ask about it. Question by: ali.haideer From PAKISTAN (LARKANA) On 25/06/2010
 
dear brother aurangzaib or qamar zaman i want to learn about the fact about karbala i know that it is a false story but i want the reality from you.thanks Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 25/06/2010
 
dear aurangzaib or qamar zaman kindly let me know about "NAZR E BAD"?thanks Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 27/06/2010
 
the quran has been devided into RAKOO'AT and PARAS.is this division right Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 03/07/2010
 
dear dr qamar zaman is the hell eternal despite of the mercy of God Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 06/07/2010
 
Aslamoalikum Dr. Qamar I have to ask you a question about life after death Question by: ali.haideer From PAKISTAN (LARKANA) On 11/07/2010
 
Dr Qamar and Aurangzeb Bhai, there is a verse in Quran 8:63 and 49:10,3:102 my question is about these verses, let me explain my question. Question by: ali.haideer From PAKISTAN (LARKANA) On 11/07/2010
 
is burying the dead in grave neccessary ?hindus burn their dead is it right? Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 11/07/2010
 
Dear Docter Qamer-uz-Zaman, A.A 1. Please explain in what sence Quran is the word of GOD? Question by: pervez On 11/07/2010
 
Dear Docter Qamer, In your opinion how for Iqbal"s philosophy of Khoodi is in cnfirmity with quranic teachings. Question by: pervez On 11/07/2010
 
i have heard that the prophet uzair was given death for 100 year by allah and then he was arosen.is it not a miracle?is it real plz expalin Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 13/07/2010
 
salaam Dr. Sahib, plz explain 5:101 and 102. what kind of question would those be that would turn people into disbelievers? Question by: shireen On 16/07/2010
 
Aslamolalikum Dr Qamar: I want to ask a question about Economical System, I am explaing it below. Question by: ali.haideer From PAKISTAN (LARKANA) On 16/07/2010
 
Dr. Qamar there are verses in Quran whose usual translation give the whole pictures of Human development but it is imposible to believe on these verses 1400 years ago,therefore plz give the exact translations of all those verses. Question by: ali.haideer From PAKISTAN (LARKANA) On 16/07/2010
 
Assal O Allaikum Paidaish Masih main Aap Ne yahya Ka Zikar kia (Salasa Alleel) 3 Raat hey Aap Ne is ka mafhoom Kaha Se lia he Aur Dorr-e-Zulmat ye kaha se lia he.( Aamrati ) Jis se murad Aurat K hain Aap Ne is se Muraad Qaum kaha se lia? Question by: babarsharif34@yahoo.com On 17/07/2010
 
dear dr qamar zaman i have seen mullah to quote (2:102) to prove black magic .i think this verse it too mistranslated.plz explian? Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 19/07/2010
 
is masturbation haram according to the following verse (23:5-7).i have seen mullah quoting this verse to prove masturbation haram.is it true? Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 24/07/2010
 
dr zakir naik interpretes the verse (21:30) as the prediction of BIG BANG THEORY.i ask dr qamar whether this interpretation is true?plz tell does the above verse really tells about the BIG BANG THEORY? thanks Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 25/07/2010
 
dear dr qamar zaman i argued with a person that quran is complete way of life(ZABITA E HAYAT).he told me if quran is complete than which sort of system it seems to establish.i will tell the rest part of question in comments becuse of the lak of sps Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 01/08/2010
 
dear aurangzaib or dr qamar is the clonning of human being allowed in islam? Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 07/08/2010
 
Why God did not sent women as Prophet to guide humanity? Any one may like to answere. Question by: pervez On 07/08/2010
 
dea aurangzaib can we say merry christmas to a christian? Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 08/08/2010
 
Dear Doctor Qamer sahib, A.A Allah is beyond human understanding but it is subject of Quran, why not life after death? Question by: pervez On 10/08/2010
 
IF QURAN IS BEYOND TIME AND SPACE WHY IT WAS REVEALED IN 23 YEARS? Question by: pervez On 10/08/2010
 
In accordance with QURANIC teachings is there any relationship of natural calamities like floods ,earthquakes etc with human deeds? Question by: pervez On 10/08/2010
 
dear aurangzaib does the Quran merely means RECITATION? Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 12/08/2010
 
Please review" wahdatul waajood " in the light of Quran? Question by: pervez On 13/08/2010
 
dear aurangzaiib is the verse (2:222-223) about MENSTRUATION?i think it is about something else not menstruation.plz tell me what it means Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 15/08/2010
 
dear auragzaib Mullahs say how we will distribute The "WAR BOOTY" among the" MUJAHIDIN" if we do not believe in hadith books.how the prophet distributed the war booty, the quran does not tell.How should i answer such blind mullahs.Thanks Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 17/08/2010
 
God has taken the responsibility of Quran for its protection, why not of other divine books if the message was the same and it was beyond time and space? Question by: pervez On 19/08/2010
 
dear auragzaib does ABUBAKAR mean the father of vigin(BAKIRA KA BAAP) or something else.plz tell me is calling him abubakar right.i think there is something wrong?Isn't it? Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 19/08/2010
 
dear aurangzaib does the verse " And the Thunder and other Malaika strive to glorify Him by carrying out there duties in awe of him (13:13) show that Malaika are the forces of nature?or it is mistranslated.?this is the translation of allama pervez Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 19/08/2010
 
dear aurangzaib can you plz tell me about the history of Firqa ahl e hadith i mean its emergence ,history etc. Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 21/08/2010
 
Dear aurangzaib Does islam allows to kill or punish people like Salman Rushdi?i think islam can not allow.am i right? Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 22/08/2010
 
did moses really killed a man by hitting him according to surah qasas? Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 23/08/2010
 
Dr Qamar sahib has reffered to a book Tafhim Ul Quran book 2 last line page 80 in the link below http://www.aastana.com/blog/aastanablog.asp?SID=40&QID=453 I want to ask which book is it?who has writen this? Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 25/08/2010
 
It is said that Abu Bakar launched Jihad against a group of people that refused to give ZAKAT.Is it right? Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 25/08/2010
 
GOD IS ONE BUT WHY AT TIMES HE USES THE WORD WE, (NAHNO,PLURAL) INSTEAD OF I, (SINGULAR) WHEN HE ADDRESSES HUMAN-BEINGS IN HIS BOOK? Question by: pervez On 26/08/2010
 
WHAT IS THE CONCEPT OF INTEREST (SOOD) IN ACCORDANCE WITH QURAN? Question by: pervez On 26/08/2010
 
salaam Dr. Sahib, 1. what is the purpose of saying pbuh for prophets/messengers. does it give them peace after they are dead? 2. why especially for Muhammed and not for other prophets/messengers? Question by: shireen On 27/08/2010
 
Out of fourteen major religions of the world, is Islam the best religion to follow ? It can be noted that out of 6.5 billion world population only 1.4 billion are Muslims; among whom only about 24% are practicing Muslim. Question by: bqayyum From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 27/08/2010
 
Dear Docter Qamer, PLEASE THROUGH SOME LIGHT ON HUMAN NATURE, IN THE LIGHT OF QURAN ? Question by: pervez On 28/08/2010
 
In the quran Allah says that the body of Pharo will be preserved (10:92).Today it is said that Faroah's body was dscovered during excavations in 1898 .Is it the body of pharoa or this verse is mistranslated? Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 28/08/2010
 
What is the significance of genotype and phenotype of a persons upbringing in the light of Quran? Question by: pervez On 02/09/2010
 
Dear aurangzaib the Lexicographer's of arabic were also IRANIS like Raghib,Ibne faris etc.And there is no lexicon writen in the age of prophet.is it possible that these IMAMS may also have done some corruption like the IMAMS of ahadith? Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 05/09/2010
 
Dear Docter Qamer , Please give references of Quranic verses which guarantees individuals life after death? I request humbly for Docter Sahibs personal answer. Question by: pervez On 08/09/2010
 
Salam Qamar Sb, my question is that if we search gradually development of islam according to Muhammad's mind, then ultimately we concludes that Muhammad borrowed as Sikh pioneer Nanak did, is it true? please reply comprehensively? Question by: amnesty4all On 11/09/2010
 
Dear Docter Sahib , kindly explain verse no 81/19 sura taqweer ayat no 19. Question by: pervez On 12/09/2010
 
Dear aurangzaib or dr qamar can you plz prove KASHAF and ILHAM fake from Quran? Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 13/09/2010
 
Dear Dr Sahib and brother aurangzaib can you plz tell me that what was the teaching method of prophet muhammad he was a mualim (teacher) so how he explained the KITAB and HIKMAH? Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 14/09/2010
 
Dear Dr Qamar and aurangzaib i ave a question regarding the translation of verse(5:103).i will explain my question below in comments due to the lack of space. Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 17/09/2010
 
KINDLY EXPLAIN IN DETAIL , AYAT NO 5-6 OF SURA AL-MOMINOON? Question by: pervez On 19/09/2010
 
Please explain verse 33 of sura noor? Question by: pervez On 19/09/2010
 
Please translate verse 223/2. traditional translation is, Question by: pervez On 21/09/2010
 
Dear brother aurangzaib i want to ask you was prophet muhammad given WAHI outside the quran?is there any verse in the quran which says that Prophet Muhammad was not given WAHI outside the quran?Thanks Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 21/09/2010
 
Please explain Ayat no 34 of sura al-nisa. Question by: pervez On 22/09/2010
 
what the Quran says about the theory of evolution?Does the quran suport it? Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 23/09/2010
 
Dear Dr Sahib and brother Aurangzaib kindly expalin what SUNNAT is according to the Quran? Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 27/09/2010
 
Please explain concept of Praying in Islam? Please do not not mix it with Namaz. Question by: momin From PAKISTAN On 29/09/2010
 
Please briefly describe economic values Quran desires to be followed in a welfare state? Question by: pervez On 30/09/2010
 
Please briefly describe political values Quran desires to be followed in an Islamic state? Question by: pervez On 30/09/2010
 
What should be the salient features of the defense of an Islamic state in the present scenario in the light of Quranic values ? Mubashir Syed to please include your views on keeping weapons of mass destruction. Question by: pervez On 01/10/2010
 
Historically speaking, a Muslim soldier fights courageously, world knows that, question is why? Question by: pervez On 01/10/2010
 
Please explain origin and meaning of word Allah in Arabic language? Question by: pervez On 09/10/2010
 
Please discuss evolution in the light of" Kun fayakoon" Question by: pervez On 10/10/2010
 
What is God's interest in our well being when he is omnipotent. Please answer this stupid question? Question by: momin From PAKISTAN On 11/10/2010
 
Where is Muslim world found today in view of new definition of , Muslim, momin etc and does there exist Muslim Umma in these modern times? Question by: momin From PAKISTAN On 11/10/2010
 
salam dr shab janab sey arz hey k hum english nai jantey,hum kesey quran samaj saktey hain hamarey jeasey kafi loog hain jo ser urdo jantey hain hamara bhe huk hey k deen sumjhain. aghar deen main ibadat nai hey to (maksad e hayyat)kiya hey Question by: iqbalasghar From PAKISTAN (SARA E ALAMGIR) On 14/10/2010
 
salam, janab dr sahab jawab aap sey manga thaa jawab koi or deeta hey kiya ye theek hey ye bhi ho sakta hey k jawab deney walla meri tara k student ho brae mehbani khood jawab dain shukria Question by: iqbalasghar From PAKISTAN (SARA E ALAMGIR) On 18/10/2010
 
PLEASE REVIEW SIGNIFICANCE OF" MAIHER" IN MUSLIM MARRIAGE LAW IN THE LIGHT OF QURAN? Question by: pervez On 21/10/2010
 
sr. mere sawal kajawab nahi mila jin aurat ka shohar marr jae woh 4 mahina 10 din ki eddat kion karti he? haqqoqunnissa parh leney k bad phi sawal mera yahi he ? Question by: babarsharif34@yahoo.com On 21/10/2010
 
Please explain "QAYAMAT" in detail? Will it come when the whole universe will be destroyed and ALLAH will disclose NAMA-I-AIMAL of every individual and his fate for paradise or hell will be decided? Question by: momin From PAKISTAN On 22/10/2010
 
Gay's, homosexuals claim they are born like that....What do our Astanamembers have to say about it ? Question by: Nargis From BARBADOS (KIO BATAO?) On 22/10/2010
 
Salaamun 'Alaikum, After careful research and study on some 'key' Quranic concepts, I realize that we are to ESTABLISH DEEN in our lives REGARDLESS of the Secularists and their man-made laws. What are your thoughts on this viewpoint? Question by: Damon From UNITED STATES (PITTSBURGH) On 23/10/2010
 
does the concept of hoor exist in christianity?plz help me know it.i need it very much Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 26/10/2010
 
Sir, AAP KI KITAB HAQIQAT MALAIKA PARHHI AIK SAWAL THA. ALLAH NE HAMAIN MALAIKA PAR IMAN LANE KO KAHA HE. AGAR AAP NE JO TAREEF KI MALIKA KI TO US PAR IMAN KA KIA TALOQ BANTA HE. Question by: babarsharif34@yahoo.com On 05/11/2010
 
Some Aastana peer watch the Video on the link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaCWVXNByTc) and comment on its religious aspect Shariq Question by: SS From CANADA (VANCOUVER) On 05/11/2010
 
Have you read Question by: Nargis From BARBADOS (KIO BATAO?) On 07/11/2010
 
We have discussions about life after death and how disruptive it was to imagine that there is no life after death. Question by: Nargis From BARBADOS (KIO BATAO?) On 08/11/2010
 
Is "wahy" part of "sunnat Allah"? If so, how does it works in relation to the laws of nature? Can it be proven? I have another question too (answer one,get one free)please explain 2:78, what it means& whts with the slaves, free, women, etc? Question by: Nargis From BARBADOS (KIO BATAO?) On 10/11/2010
 
MERRY EIDMAS AND HAPPY OLD YEARS,SORRY I MEAN CHRISTMAS MUBARIK . Question by: Nargis From BARBADOS (KIO BATAO?) On 16/11/2010
 
Dear Doctor Qamer ,Muslims believe Prophet Muhammad is "Khatim-un-nabeen" Kindly support this faith with reason? Question by: momin From PAKISTAN On 19/11/2010
 
Have a look at this : http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/origin.html Question by: Nargis From BARBADOS (KIO BATAO?) On 21/11/2010
 
IS QURAN A SIMPLE BOOK TO UNDERSTSND? Question by: momin From PAKISTAN On 23/11/2010
 
Someone please explain the "dream" concept of Prophet Yusuf? What do the Quran say about dreams,are they true or just thoughts? Im waiting,help:- O Question by: Nargis From BARBADOS (KIO BATAO?) On 24/11/2010
 
Dear Dr Qamar Zaman Please translate verse 2:219 correctly. "And they ask what they should give.Say what is surplus".Does the arabic word "AFU" means surplus? Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 27/11/2010
 
Salaam. Is the Quran saying anything about Aliens ,monsters from other planets etc :P?? Question by: Nargis From BARBADOS (KIO BATAO?) On 30/11/2010
 
There is an ongoing discussion on “Ourbeacon” regarding the phrase “Allah-hu-Akbar”. I believe the subject matter to be extremely profound, something which members of Aastana would appreciate reading. Question by: William From UNITED KINGDOM On 30/11/2010
 
Is there any word in the Quraan for BELIEFor BELIEVE? Is Islam an ideology(A comprehensive and coherent set of basic beliefs about political, economic, social and cultural affairs that is held in common by a sizable group of people within a society)? Question by: Hafiz Abdullah From PAKISTAN (RAWALPINDI) On 01/12/2010
 
What are the meanings of EIMAN n MOMIN in 49: 14-15? Question by: Hafiz Abdullah From PAKISTAN (RAWALPINDI) On 01/12/2010
 
Dear Dr Qamar Zaman do you believe that people can still get WAHI from Allah,and become Nabi?Do you not believe that Muhammad was the last who received direct knowledge from God?Why do you say Muhammad is appointing authority of other prophets? Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 02/12/2010
 
I have created a branch of the Aastana blog called "Linguistic & grammatical Exposition of the Quran" on Facebook and hope all of you join. nahi to..argg Question by: Nargis From BARBADOS (KIO BATAO?) On 04/12/2010
 
Dear All: Please go through my comments. Question by: Adnan Muhammad Khan From PAKISTAN (KARACHI) On 04/12/2010
 
PLEASE EXPLAIN AYAT NO 7 OF SURA 33 ( AL AHZAB) Question by: momin From PAKISTAN On 06/12/2010
 
Does Quran gives the concept of Nationhood or Countries as they exist today. If yes then what should be the mode and form of Government. Shariq Question by: SS From CANADA (VANCOUVER) On 07/12/2010
 
Dear Dr Qamarzaman: Plz enlighten us about the verse14/48 keeping in view the context of the subject from 42-52.Also the verses 11/107-108,with respect to the context 11/103-108.Thanks Question by: moazzam From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 15/12/2010
 
How many men and women claimed Prophet hood after Muhammad and did anyone of them made any significant achievement or influenced humanity positively? Question by: momin From PAKISTAN On 18/12/2010
 
Dear All, what is Ahmed Huluci's Ellah ( idoelogy ) of Islam ? Question by: Mubashir Syed From INDIA (HYDERABAD) On 20/12/2010
 
Plz explain 38:27, how can one become kafir if he think differently about the universe. Also explain 29:44,"signs in the heaven and earth for those who BELIEVE"? Question by: Nargis From BARBADOS (KIO BATAO?) On 24/12/2010
 
Dear Dr Qamar Zaman or brother Aurangzaib a person told me if God can communicate with Moses,Jesus and Muhammad.So why can he not communicate with anybody else today?Please answer my question.Thank you very much Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 25/12/2010
 
Why do people try to prove the Qur'an through science? We find science in other books than the Quran, why are not they labeled as "divine"? Question by: Nargis2 From TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO (TOMBACCO) On 26/12/2010
 
I wonder how and why the Human Beings have assumed the status of the best life spices on Earth (or Universe). The term "ASHRAF-UL-MAKHLUQAT" was also coined unilaterally without considering the significance of Mankind in the Universe. Shariq Question by: SS From CANADA (VANCOUVER) On 27/12/2010
 
Please watch , a good video on zakat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vtmZNziH6U&feature=player_embedded#! Question by: alam1162@gmail.com From INDIA (DELHI) On 29/12/2010
 
PLEASE DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN SCIENCE AND DIVINITY ? Question by: momin From PAKISTAN On 30/12/2010
 
AL-KITAB + LAWS OF NATURE, is divine guidance as Moazzem says, Why humanity was plunged in to religious wars??? SCIENTISTS NEVER FIGHT IF THEY ARE PROVED WRONG. Question by: momin From PAKISTAN On 31/12/2010
 
Muslims invented 5 pillows of Islam. Why learning Arabic is not mandatory in Islam?? Question by: momin From PAKISTAN On 31/12/2010
 
Dear Dr. Qamar Zaman: can you explain: [6/105] وَكَذَلِكَ نُصَرِّفُ الْآيَاتِ وَلِيَقُولُواْ دَرَسْتَ وَلِنُبَيِّنَهُ لِقَوْمٍ يَعْلَمُونَ Question by: M.N.Khalid From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 01/01/2011
 
Sura Baqra Ayah 223 "Your Women are a tilth for you, so go to your tilth as ye will ......". If Allah had to restrict husbands to wifes only then why was "AZWAJ" not used instead of "NISA". Here NISA means any woman (not necessarily wife). Shariq Question by: SS From CANADA (VANCOUVER) On 01/01/2011
 
Aap ke nazar me Tauheen e Risalat koi jurm hai ya nahi? 2- Tauheen e Risalat ke mujrim ko kia saza milni chahye? 3- kia ghair muslimo ko is baat ki ijazat honee chahyee ke wo Rasool e Akram PBUH ki shan me gustakhi kar saken? Question by: UMAR HUSSAIN On 04/01/2011
 
dear dr qamar sahib please translate the verse 4:34.thanks Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 06/01/2011
 
Has Human's beautiful (Animal) instincts and natural desires been checked by Divinity ? Question by: M.N.Khalid From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 08/01/2011
 
Is Sex allowed with Slave Women in Islam? Dr Zakir Naik http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UVmSQHquJc&feature=player_embedded#! Question by: mohd.areeb On 08/01/2011
 
Dear Dr Qamar sahib i am not noticing your presence on the blog.You know that without you this blog is nothing.I know you are very busy.But i request you to please give some time to the blog.Thank you very much Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 09/01/2011
 
http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/jan2011-daily/10-01-2011/col8.htm Every one is invited to comment on above cited column written by Ansar Abasi, especially. Dr. Sb., Aurangzaib sb., Moazzam Sb., Dr. Shahid and Sister Nargis. Question by: Adnan Muhammad Khan From PAKISTAN (KARACHI) On 10/01/2011
 
A tribe in Africa who exercise "incest", and believe it to be a divine law. A consequences of such action are injurious to following generations, What are those consequences ? Question by: M.N.Khalid From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 10/01/2011
 
What is good about the "Little Mosque on the Prairie"? Question by: Zubair From UNITED STATES (WASHINGTON) On 11/01/2011
 
Surah Al-Ahzab Ayat No.57 and 61.. for Mr.Adnan and others. Question by: UMAR HUSSAIN On 11/01/2011
 
-Is the Quran changed?If yes,what is changed, how do we know it is changed, and what does it mean when it says no1 can change it?(i have a clue about the last one, but want to share it when i read your answers :-D) Question by: Nargis2 From TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO (TOMBACCO) On 25/01/2011
 
How to increase your knowledge? Question by: Nargis2 From TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO (TOMBACCO) On 25/01/2011
 
Brother Aurangzaib, I read Q&A of the your blog and found this ref of "Tabqaat-e-Ibn-e-Saad" to Dr. Samreen On23 Sept2010, http://www.aastana.com/blog/aastanablog.asp?MID=4&SID=21. If the author of this book is `Abdullah ibn Sa`d Ibn Abi Sarh' Question by: Syeda On 29/01/2011
 
What is free will? What is basic instinct? How does free will separate man from animals? Question by: Junaid From PAKISTAN (KARACHI) On 31/01/2011
 
QURAN GIVES US PERMANENT VALUES BEYOND TIME AND SPACE, WHAT ARE THOSE? LET US ENUMERATE AND DISCUSS THEM ONE BY ONE? Question by: momin From PAKISTAN On 02/02/2011
 
Salaam Shalom shabba dabba do ,what is the "driving force" in Human beings, and what is the "nafs" thing? Are human beings superior to other creatures ? If yes, why?hhhhmmmm Question by: Nargis2 From TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO (TOMBACCO) On 17/02/2011
 
PERSONALITY IS CHANGELESSNESS IN CHANGE. WHAT IS THAT? Question by: momin From PAKISTAN On 25/02/2011
 
CAN PROPHETS MAKE MISTAKES? Question by: momin From PAKISTAN On 10/03/2011
 
Salaam to all (and me) ,What giant "fish" (whale/shark-zilla?) ate Prophet Yunus (37:142) Question by: Nargis2 From TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO (TOMBACCO) On 12/03/2011
 
Dear Aurangzaib and dr qamar sahib IS ALLAH THE ACTIVE FA'IL (DOER) IN THE UNIVERSE,OR HE HAS SET LAWS WHICH MANTAIN THE ORDER OF THE UNIVERSE?if allah is not the active fa'il will it not make him a far unapproachable God? n is allah a personal God? Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 15/03/2011
 
Please review law of DEET. Question by: momin From PAKISTAN On 16/03/2011
 
Dear brother aurangzaib plz let me know about the actual story of TOOFAN E NOH (noah flood).i think the so called n2I interpretation is fake.am i right? Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 18/03/2011
 
dear brother auragzaib plz let me know about the actual story of toofan e nooh.i think there is sth wrong with the so called n2i interpretation.am i right Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 18/03/2011
 
salaam Dr. Sahib, Does curse effect any one at all according to Quran? Question by: shireen On 22/03/2011
 
What's the point of mental development & how is it beneficial 4 the humanity? Does the Quran explain why we have to expand our capabilities when we are all goin to die anyway? how will Youm qayama have any meaning to me, when I'm not here? Question by: Nargis2 From TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO (TOMBACCO) On 22/03/2011
 
Good News As convener of Janat e Pakistan, Dr. AsarulIslam has nominated Mr. Aurangzaib Yousafzai as the adhoc President and “Party Leader” in Rawalpindi/Islamabad What are the Quranic injunctions for a political party ? Question by: SS From CANADA (VANCOUVER) On 23/03/2011
 
Congratulations to brother AURANGZAIB!!! Dear Brother Aurangzaib i have come to know that you have been choosen as the president of JANAT E PAKISTAN party.I am very happy and want to congratulate you from the core of my hear!!! Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 24/03/2011
 
Brother Moazzam! Should we join/launch any political party to establish the true Islamic state?? As there are already so many parties working under the same manifesto. Question by: naeem sheikh From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 24/03/2011
 
Can anyone announce manifesto of Jannet-i-Pakistan political party to see how it is different from manifesto of other political parties in Pakistan? Question by: momin From PAKISTAN On 24/03/2011
 
Will AI surpass Human Intelligence? Question by: Zubair From UNITED STATES (WASHINGTON) On 27/03/2011
 
Brother Aurangzaib ! With out you this blog seems like a picture with out color. eagerly waiting for your comments at mine 29th,march. HOWALLAZEE URSILA RASOOLAHO BIL HUDAA WA DEEN ALHAQQ LIYUZHIRAHO ALLADDIN-E-KULLIH, 6:33, 48:28, , 61:9 . Question by: naeem sheikh From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 30/03/2011
 
Could woman be an IMAM/NABI/RASOOL in a man dominating societies.While keeping in view her physical system, structure, and her psychology,also MALKA SABA.If not then what about in the societies where she has equal rights? Question by: naeem sheikh From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 30/03/2011
 
Moazzam saheb and Aastana Members! Your teachings reflects that there is no any predestined event being played at earth. What about the historical steps been described in Quran about prophet Musa and Yousaf see verses 12/4-5, 28/5-7?? Question by: Mujeeb From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 06/04/2011
 
The world has succeeded in creating global village by study of "lohimahfooz" and "Alkitab". Is it wise to struggle for a state having label of "Islamic state" which will create a sect in humanity and will not be acceptable even by Muslim Ummah? Question by: momin From PAKISTAN On 13/04/2011
 
1- Agr KHATIM ka matlab validater hae to MUHAMMAD se pehle kaun ye fareeza sr anjam deta tha? (haln keh Quran doosre nabbiun ka to zikr hae validater ka nahen) 2- Aur MUHAMMAD k bad ab kaun validater hae? Question by: Dr. Iqbal On 18/04/2011
 
In 3/81 " aur jb ham ne nabbiun se MISAAQ lya , jinhen ham ne KITAB aur HIKMAT de k jb tumhare pas koi RASOOL ae , us ki jo tumhare pas hae to tum us pe IMAAN le ana aur us ki NUSRAT krna....." wo kaunse NABI the aur RASOOL hen aur IMAN ka matlab? Question by: Dr. Iqbal On 18/04/2011
 
My dearest brother bob,please throw light on following ayats, sura haj ayat 47, almaaruj ayat 4, ayat 17 : 52 , ayat 10 : 45 , ayat 23 : 113. Question by: momin From PAKISTAN On 22/04/2011
 
In the present scenario of changing human civilization, Does the institution of family holds permanent value beyond time and space? What guidance we get from Quran. Question by: momin From PAKISTAN On 27/04/2011
 
Dear Dr Qamar Zaman, I wondered if the Quran are making any statements which are not certifiable, or describes mechanisms that our mind cannot understand? If yes, then how are such claims and depictions advantageous? Question by: bob From UNITED KINGDOM On 30/04/2011
 
Dear Members, I want to know about the true story of Toofan e Nooh. Is it different from orthodox story? Wassalam Question by: Saeed From PAKISTAN (KARACHI(MSAEEDTAJ@GMAIL.COM)) On 01/05/2011
 
Dear members, please share your valuable thoughts about these questions Question by: bob From UNITED KINGDOM On 03/05/2011
 
IF AASTANA MEMBERS ARE NOT CLEAR AT THE VERY BASIC (IMPORTANT) ISSUE OF HAYAT ADDUNYA and AKHIRAH, HOW WOULD THEY GUIDE THE PEOPLE LIKE ME? PEOPLE LIKE MR MOAZZAM COULD ONLY MISGUIDE,AS I POINTED OUT IN THE BEGINNING.BE AWARE Question by: Mujeeb From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 03/05/2011
 
Dear All, does Quran try to convince people about existence of GOD which cant be proved??? Question by: Mubashir Syed From INDIA (HYDERABAD) On 04/05/2011
 
HAZRAT ALLAMA MOAZZAM SAHAB ! Enlighten us about the ALLAH O AKBAR. Question by: Mujeeb From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 05/05/2011
 
DearAurangzaib and Aastana members! Could atheist be included in the glad tiding offered to mankind in verse 2/62 . Question by: Mujeeb From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 06/05/2011
 
Can the Existence of God, as the Creator, be scientifically proved, irrespective of Quran's verdict that the nature of His existence can't be comprehended? Question by: aurangzaib From PAKISTAN On 12/05/2011
 
Allama moazzam Sahab ! IS POLYGAMY HARAM IN ISLAM AS A SPECIAL CASE ? For more detail read my comments Question by: Mujeeb From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 13/05/2011
 
What is alam-i-amer and alam-i-khalq, Question by: pervez On 16/05/2011
 
Dear brother Aurangzaib hope you are doing well.Plz let me now what the word RIBA means.Does it mean the interest of bank.Thank you Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 18/05/2011
 
How can an individual act and help in creating an Islamic society because all efforts for this objective ends up in the demand for a theocratic state. What course of action has been laid down in the Quran Bakhtiar Qayyum Question by: bqayyum From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 21/05/2011
 
Dear Members I wnat to know the divine laws which Quran wants to implement on society. Thanks Question by: Saeed From PAKISTAN (KARACHI(MSAEEDTAJ@GMAIL.COM)) On 23/05/2011
 
Dr. Zaman and Aastana Team, While your interpretation of the Quran in "Human Rights" terms is quite refreshing what does the Quran say of one who engages majority of his life in vain deeds(movies, games, relaxing ect) while being peaceful(Muslim)? Question by: Anwar From UNITED STATES On 23/05/2011
 
Dear brother Moazzam plz elaborate what is meant by AL YAHOOD and ALNASARA (as character).I request my respected brother Aurangzaib to take part in the discussion also.Jazakallah. Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 23/05/2011
 
Salam Not all Muslims or believers get a Jenna in this life as one could b peaceful all their life n develop cancer, bad kids, divorce, car accident injury, ect.. How do u explain when bad things happen to good peaceful people? Question by: Anwar From UNITED STATES On 24/05/2011
 
51:56 وَمَا خَلَقْتُ ٱلْجِنَّ وَٱلْإِنسَ إِلَّا لِيَعْبُدُونِ Pls explain the above ayat. wassalam Question by: Saeed From PAKISTAN (KARACHI(MSAEEDTAJ@GMAIL.COM)) On 24/05/2011
 
Salam, Dr. Zaman and Students of Quran, what is the point in praying for the sick or praying for anything for that matter if God wills not to intervene in our lives? Yes we must do our part but where's the hope if God will not intervene? Question by: Anwar From UNITED STATES On 25/05/2011
 
If all aspects of life are controlled by the divine laws and Alkitab is also preserved in "Loh-e-Mehfooz", then everything has to pass the test of logic. What then is the logic with Haraam and Halaal according to Quran. Shariq Question by: SS From CANADA (VANCOUVER) On 25/05/2011
 
Dear Dear ones, is there anything called "soul" in the Quran? Explain like im two years old, here i need spoon feeding or feedingbottle. Question by: Nargis From BARBADOS (KIO BATAO?) On 26/05/2011
 
Dear Dr. Qamar, With all the information on this site and similarly others, how is one to digest it all? There has been a battle to rewire your system to think more rationally and when you think you are, you get another wake up call. Years, maybe? Question by: Shirley C From UNITED STATES (PITTSBURGH) On 26/05/2011
 
Dear brother Mubashir regards,i remember once some Mullah raised objection against the interpretation of MARYAM by Dr QZ that Name can not be translated.Then Dr QZ gave the answer.I request you to send me the link plz.God bless you Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 26/05/2011
 
Aslamoalikum Mozam bhai would you please elaborate the terminology Al-Kitab?? Thanks Question by: ali.haideer From PAKISTAN (LARKANA) On 29/05/2011
 
Please Members What is the true story behind Ashaab e Kahaf, mentioned in soora e Kahaf. In orthodox interpretition these people sleeped in a cave for thousand of years, or something like this. Thanks Question by: Saeed From PAKISTAN (KARACHI(MSAEEDTAJ@GMAIL.COM)) On 30/05/2011
 
Salam Dear Brothers Where may I find "Adam o Iblees" English translation of Dr. Zamans book? Question by: Anwar From UNITED STATES On 31/05/2011
 
Salam Dear Brothers (Sisters included) and Aastana Administrators, Does the Quran give us a clear reason of WHY we are on planet Earth in human body and what we are here for? Please see comment below. Question by: Anwar From UNITED STATES On 01/06/2011
 
Dear Brothers and Dr. Zaman, I've been beating myself up over this understanding of shirk or believing in a wrong concept of God. Yes I've read your understanding on this issue but there is a verse in Quran which warns those that say God is trinity Question by: Anwar From UNITED STATES On 02/06/2011
 
Kia app log Hadeeth ko nahi manty? kia app koi hawala hadeeth sy nahi detay. Mojzat ka to Hadeeth main bhi Ziker hay kia app mojzat ko nahi manty? Question by: guest From PAKISTAN On 05/06/2011
 
Dear Moazzam. I want to salute you for your hard work. I started learning Quran only 6 months back and I only started looking at AASTANA couple of weeks back. Question by: waseemameer From AUSTRALIA (SYDNEY) On 05/06/2011
 
Dhulqarnain, Can we follow the injeel and Torah of today? Question by: Nargis-Badshah-Salamat From FIJI (FAUJI) On 06/06/2011
 
Tahir Ul Qadri Ne Murday Ko Kalima Padaya (urdu video) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Mfb6QriVh8 Question by: alam1162@gmail.com From INDIA (DELHI) On 14/06/2011
 
Dear Moazzam i have seen your recent post about Allah.I want to know Is Allah God or it means ISLAMIC STATE.Do you believe in a God who is FA'ALON LIMA YUREED.And what makes you not believe in a God who is an active fa'il? Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 14/06/2011
 
dear moazzam DOES GOD EXISTS?And if he is not involved in the universe and i say HE IS DEAD.Will it be okay with you. Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 15/06/2011
 
Is the Sunnat of Allah Unchangeable? Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 15/06/2011
 
Dear brother Moazzam who authored the Quran according to you?Allah or Muhammad himself?Please do not go in details.Just tell me Allah or Muhammad that who is the author of the Quran.Best wishes!!! Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 18/06/2011
 
Dear Moazzam What is the meaning of " INNAHOO LAQUALOO RASOOLIN KAREEM " if the text of quran is from almighty Allah Question by: alam1162@gmail.com From INDIA (DELHI) On 19/06/2011
 
Dear Members,One group waiting for youm ul aakhira as life after death, other group said that youm ul aakhira will be happend in this world. Many people died waiting for this in this world. Are these two groups not in the same condition of waiting Question by: Saeed From PAKISTAN (KARACHI(MSAEEDTAJ@GMAIL.COM)) On 20/06/2011
 
Dear All, Recently my uncle have a stoke and his right side is completely paralysed. He cant speak nor can comprehend.He is facing very hard days. What do you think, is he facing makafat e amal. Please comment Question by: Saeed From PAKISTAN (KARACHI(MSAEEDTAJ@GMAIL.COM)) On 02/07/2011
 
HAS ALLAH, IN HIS QURAN, RULED ON THE EXPRESSION OF HUMAN SEXUAL BEHAVIOR OR IS MAN FREE TO DECIDE ON HIS OWN HOW TO EXPRESS SEXUAL BEHAVIOR? Question by: DHULQARNAIN From UNITED STATES On 08/07/2011
 
IS INCEST, AS A PARTICULAR SEXUAL BEHAVIOR, ALLAOWABLE OR NOT ALLOWABLE IN DEEN AL-ISLAM? IF ALLOWABLE, WHY? IF NOT ALLOWABLE, WHY NOT? PLEASE GIVE AYATS. Question by: DHULQARNAIN From UNITED STATES On 09/07/2011
 
DR. QAMAR ZAMAN WROTE: "SO ACTUALLY THERE IS NOTHING TO BE CALLED PREMARITAL SEX". IS THIS ASSERTION, ACCORDING TO AL-QURAN, TRUE?!? Question by: DHULQARNAIN From UNITED STATES On 16/07/2011
 
NARGIS WROTE: THE ZANI IS SOMEONE WHO DISTORTS THE QURANIQ WORD. IS THIS ASSERTION, ACCORDING TO AL-QURAN, TRUE? Question by: DHULQARNAIN From UNITED STATES On 18/07/2011
 
who is allah Question by: hm.zeeshan On 19/07/2011
 
Does aya 57/3 justify/give meaning that Allah is beyond time and space? Question by: waseemameer From AUSTRALIA (SYDNEY) On 20/07/2011
 
Is it true that Moses prayed for Aaron and Aaron became prophet. Question by: Saeed From PAKISTAN (KARACHI(MSAEEDTAJ@GMAIL.COM)) On 21/07/2011
 
ACCORDING TO AL-QURAN, IS THE UTTERING OF ALLAHU AKBAR, ACCEPTABLE IN THE DEEN OF ALLAH? Question by: DHULQARNAIN From UNITED STATES On 21/07/2011
 
Mummy of Pharon in Egypt is the same pharon who clashes with Moses. ? Is it conforms from Quran? Question by: Saeed From PAKISTAN (KARACHI(MSAEEDTAJ@GMAIL.COM)) On 23/07/2011
 
CAN ANYONE ANSWER THIS SIMPLE QUESTION---ACCORDING TO AL-QURAN, WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF--AKBAR? Question by: DHULQARNAIN From UNITED STATES On 23/07/2011
 
Dear brother Moazzam if someone wants to understand the Quran and he is studying it for the first time.How should he study it?How he should attempt to understand a particular episode of the Quran.Thank you very much... Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 29/07/2011
 
Sahibaan, Lanati ka salaam Kia Quran paak main Roh amr Rabbi ke ilawa Rooh amr Allah bhi likha hai? In dono main kia farq hai? Question by: Universal-Lanati From ARMENIA On 30/07/2011
 
Dear Dr.Qamar and members. Please explain 21/53-60. and also 6/76-80 Were those idols made of stones? Didn't they used to worship كَوْكَبًا,الْقَمَرَ,الشَّمْسَ Question by: waseemameer From AUSTRALIA (SYDNEY) On 01/08/2011
 
Dear Sir, It is being preached and commonly understood that Quranic guidance is eternal and everlasting for mankind during all eras. Whether any verse of Quran support this version ? if so , please quote reference of said verse . Thanks. Question by: M Aslam From PAKISTAN (GOJRA) On 02/08/2011
 
Dear Sir, As per verse No.20 of Sura Al-Furqan(25) All , " Mursaleen;s" ate food and walk about in streets........... Why "Mursaleens;s" came to Seyedina Ibrahim ( who had to go towards "Qoum-e-Loot" , 51/32) denied to eat food from Ibrahim ? Question by: M Aslam From PAKISTAN (GOJRA) On 02/08/2011
 
Dear Member, According to my new understanding I have left namaz,roza,Hajj. etc.Now what should I do according to Quran. How can I become a good Momin wothout these rituals. Question by: Saeed From PAKISTAN (KARACHI(MSAEEDTAJ@GMAIL.COM)) On 02/08/2011
 
WAS THE PROPHET WHO WAS GIVEN THE QURAN...THE LAST PROPHET? YES OR NO AND PROVE EITHER POSITION. Question by: DHULQARNAIN From UNITED STATES On 05/08/2011
 
IS AL-QURAN THE LAST/FINAL REVELATION FROM ALLAH? YES OR NO AND PROVE EITHER POSITION. Question by: DHULQARNAIN From UNITED STATES On 05/08/2011
 
Salaamun Alikum Dear Aastana Members Please forgive me if I offends the spirit of aastana as I am going to ask few question which seems critical to me. Question by: mmkhan20 From SAUDI ARABIA (JEDDAH) On 08/08/2011
 
Dear Aurangzaib sb, Please explain the meanings of verse 37 of sura 41 Thanks Question by: M Aslam From PAKISTAN (GOJRA) On 19/08/2011
 
IS AASTANA BLOG DEVOTED TO PHILOSOPHICAL MATERIALISM AND RELIGIOUS HUMANISM AND NOT AL-ISLAM? I'M BEGINNING TO BELIEVE SO. Question by: DHULQARNAIN From UNITED STATES On 19/08/2011
 
Dear Sir, Please explain the meanings of verse 37 of sura 41 Thanks Question by: M Aslam From PAKISTAN (GOJRA) On 20/08/2011
 
TRUE OR FALSE? 4:82 Will they not then meditate on the Quran? And if it were from any other than Allah, they would have FOUND IN IT MANY A DISCREPANCY. 10:37 And this the Quran...THERE IS NO DOUBT IN IT, from the Lord of the worlds. Question by: DHULQARNAIN From UNITED STATES On 20/08/2011
 
Dear Moazzam,Dr QZ as you say Quran should be understood according to grammar.I have a question:All the Arabic grammars were written by IRANIS.Is there no possibility they have corrupted it like Ahadith?Thanks Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 22/08/2011
 
43:45 And ask those of Our messengers whom We sent before thee: Did We ever appoint gods to be worshipped besides the Beneficent? HOW COULD MUHAMMAD HAVE ASKED THE PRIOR MESSENGERS...ANYTHING? Question by: DHULQARNAIN From UNITED STATES On 23/08/2011
 
Dear Zul-Qarnain. (with Two noons). You have repeatedly asserted on this blog that Surah Al-fatehaa is not part of the Al-Kitaab (Al-Quraan). Hereby I am humbly requesting you to produce your proof. (Read more in comments) Question by: Iqbal kay shaheen From NAMIBIA (WALVIS BAY) On 23/08/2011
 
TO ALL WHO IS THE "YOU" MENTIONED IN THE FOLLOWING AYAT? 2:4 And who believe in that which has been revealed to YOU and that which was revealed before YOU and they are sure of the hereafter. Question by: PRIEST BOKMEI From UNITED STATES On 24/08/2011
 
Dear Moazzam and Dr Qamar sahib Is the Phrase ALFE SHAHR MURAKAB E TOUSIFI or MURAKKABE ADADI?And what does it mean?Thanks Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 28/08/2011
 
Dear Dhulqurnain,Why Allah called Himself Al-Momin and Al-salaam in 59/23 Question by: waseemameer From AUSTRALIA (SYDNEY) On 30/08/2011
 
Dear Dr. Q.Z sb. A questio as comments below. Question by: M Aslam From PAKISTAN (GOJRA) On 30/08/2011
 
WHY ARE RACIAL SLURS TOWARD AFRICAN AMERICANS ACCEPTABLE AT AASTANA BLOG? Question by: DHULQARNAIN From UNITED STATES On 31/08/2011
 
NARGIS/AASTANA BLOG, PLEASE ADDRESS THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS CONCERNING AYATS 3:21 AND 33:40 Question by: DHULQARNAIN From UNITED STATES On 08/09/2011
 
NARGIS, MOAZZAM, WASEEMAMEER, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. GIVE US YOUR EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE. NO MORE CONVOLUTED DISCOURSES. Question by: DHULQARNAIN From UNITED STATES On 13/09/2011
 
WASEEMAMEER, WHAT IS THE TRUE MEANING OF 51:56? WHAT IS THE HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DHULQARNAIN AND AASTANA THAT NO WAY CAN THEY GATHER ON ONE PLATFORM? Question by: DHULQARNAIN From UNITED STATES On 15/09/2011
 
Dear Dr.Qamar and members. Please explain the meaning of Moosa and Esa. At what paradigms ابواب they are at, and what meanings they give on those ابواب? Dear Dr.Sahab, your input will be highly appreciated. Question by: waseemameer From AUSTRALIA (SYDNEY) On 16/09/2011
 
Is the Quran preaching BELIEVES ? I.E does it state anything in order to achieve unconfirmed belief in its students? 2) does it back up its claims with proofs, 3) HOW? Question by: Nargis2 From TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO (TOMBACCO) On 16/09/2011
 
NARGIS and MOAZZAM THERE HAS BEEN ALOT OF TALK ABOUT THE "GRAMMAR" RELATIVE TO AL-QURAN. MY QUESTION IS THIS, ISTHE GRAMMAR 100% ACCURATE? YES: EXPLAIN NO: EXPLAIN Question by: DHULQARNAIN From UNITED STATES On 17/09/2011
 
QAMAR, MOAZZAM, NARGIS, NAEEM, DOES QAMAR AND AASTANA BLOG BELIEVE THE FOLLOWING ASSERTIONS TO THE TRUTH? Question by: DHULQARNAIN From UNITED STATES On 27/09/2011
 
Mr. Aurangzaib: Who is responsible for detracking me and many others who left Ramazan Fasting, Namaz especially after reading your booklet"tahqeeq namaz o salat"at Aastana? are you not an instable personality as per your shufling record?? Question by: Mujeeb From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 27/09/2011
 
NARGIS, MOAZZAM, WAQAR, NAEEM, ET ALL IS WAHY OR EXTRINSIC OR INTRINSIC? Question by: DHULQARNAIN From UNITED STATES On 29/09/2011
 
MOAZZAM, NARGIS, NAEEM, MUBASHIR, WAQAR, YOU PEOPLE CANNOT POSSIBLY BE SERIOUS ABOUT THIS....OR ARE YOU? PLEASE EXPLAIN! Question by: DHULQARNAIN From UNITED STATES On 30/09/2011
 
PEACE TO ALL, ACCORDING TO AL-QURAN, WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF...A GOD" (I'M NOT REFERRING TO ALLAH, BUT THE TERM GOD IN GENERAL )? Question by: DHULQARNAIN From UNITED STATES On 02/10/2011
 
WHICH TAKES PRIORITY--TASREEF OVER GRAMMAR OR GRAMMAR OVER TASREEF? PLEASE EXPLAIN YOUR POSITION. Question by: DHULQARNAIN From UNITED STATES On 03/10/2011
 
What is the position of Athiest in Quran? Will Athiesm be practiced/ let exist in the Quranic Society? What difference it will make if oneself is Athiest? Question by: waseemameer From AUSTRALIA (SYDNEY) On 05/10/2011
 
PEACE TO ALL, MOAZZAM ASKS: CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PROPHET AND MESSENGER PROPHET, NABI AND NABI RASOOL? Question by: DHULQARNAIN From UNITED STATES On 07/10/2011
 
what the harm if someone perform rituals. Will Allah ask him why you did rituals. If one perform rituals and other dont then whats the difference they make on society. Question by: Saeed From PAKISTAN (KARACHI(MSAEEDTAJ@GMAIL.COM)) On 09/10/2011
 
PEACE TO ALL, DOES AASTANA BLOG REPRESENT: DEEN AL-ISLAM OR... DEISM. DHULQARNAIN- Question by: ARCHILOCUS From UNITED STATES On 15/10/2011
 
Dear Sir, Please explain meanings of 27/42 to 44 Thanx Question by: M Aslam From PAKISTAN (GOJRA) On 30/11/2011
 
Dear sir, Please put some light on the death of Hazrat Hussain according to the history. and Dr sahib, we all are waiting for complete quranic translation Question by: matifsaeed From PAKISTAN (LAHORE) On 30/11/2011
 
PEACE NARGIS AND MOAZZAM. WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO ADDRESS THIS MAJOR CONTRADICTION: TELL US CLEARLY, IS YOUR POSITION STATEMENT "A" OR STATEMENT "B"? DHULQARNAIN- Question by: DHULQARNAIN From UNITED STATES On 01/12/2011
 
PEACE TO ALL, TO MY QUESTION: DO THE MALAIKA DO WRONG/EVIL? NAEEM SHEIKH ANSWERED: YES, SEE 2:34 IS HE CORRECT? DHULQARNAIN: Question by: DHULQARNAIN From UNITED STATES On 15/12/2011
 
WHY QURANISTS ARE DIVIDED LIKE RELIGIOUS MULLAHS IF THEY CLAIM THE RIGHTEOUS ONES ??? Question by: Mujeeb From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 01/02/2012
 
What do you guys think - Why some children around the world are born with defects like, blindness, handicapped, infected with acute diseases (HIV) etc., Why do they suffer their life for no fault of their own? Why does God do this them? Question by: sameermoopa From INDIA On 05/04/2012
 
Dear Members: Pls share ur thought on:'What is the 'purpose' of our existence?' Quran says 'And I didn't create the jinn and mankind except to do my IBADATH'(51:56). If this is the purpose, what does IBADATH mean here? Why God wants our Ibadath? Question by: sameermoopa From INDIA On 09/04/2012
 
can some one enlighten us about the real concept of SALAWATULLAH ALA NABI.Thanks. Question by: naeem sheikh From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 20/04/2012
 
Assaam,iam Nasir(India)iam understanding salah by your explanation tell me about vazu in surah maaida Question by: ameet From INDIA (ANANTAPUR) On 26/04/2012
 
thank you a better answer that Salath is not namaz so what is reality of namaz how this exist Question by: ameet From INDIA (ANANTAPUR) On 28/04/2012
 
assalam,was Allah speak with insan directly ? Question by: ameet From INDIA (ANANTAPUR) On 04/05/2012
 
agar zina najayij talluq nahi tho najayij talluq ke baare me quran me kya hai? Question by: ameet From INDIA (ANANTAPUR) On 15/05/2012
 
dea members. If someone do misdeeds(do wrong things) than he repent and ask toba, will he still have to suffer his misdeeds in this life. Question by: Saeed From PAKISTAN (KARACHI(MSAEEDTAJ@GMAIL.COM)) On 10/06/2012
 
respected qamar sir, what about here after life(Akhirath) in sight of quran? Question by: ameet From INDIA (ANANTAPUR) On 17/06/2012
 
Respected Dr Zaman. I am reading your translation of the Quran with great interest and I thank you for your efforts. I would like to understand the concept of Akhirat in light of the Quran. Salaam. Question by: Riaz From UNITED KINGDOM (LONDON) On 11/08/2012
 
If soam is not traditional "Roza" then why the later part of ayat relating to soam says that the women should complete the count after finishing with their menses? Question by: ansasausam From UNITED STATES (FLUSHING) On 27/10/2012
 
What is Shetan, can shetan affects the desire of Momin? Question by: moazzam From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 11/12/2012
 
What "the Aastana research forum says about the Atheists ??? Question by: moazzam From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 13/12/2012
 
What is the true sense of Duaa' mentioned at many places in Quran and been used as an effective tool in almost all religions? Question by: moazzam From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 13/12/2012
 
salaam Dr sahib.pls explain the meaning of نسخ ? and 2:104? Question by: saidalavi ansari From INDIA (KERALA) On 17/12/2012
 
Salam Dr sahib pls Explain verse 2/106 مَا ننسخ من آية Question by: saidalavi ansari From INDIA (KERALA) On 19/12/2012
 
ABOUT EISA "death/up lifting to heaven" Question by: moazzam From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 01/04/2013
 
Some body asked about the meaning of سِقَايَةَ الْحَاجِّ وَعِمَارَةَ الْمَسْجِدِ الْحَرَامِ . Here it is answer to the question asked. Question by: moazzam From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 23/04/2013
 
Some body asked that, how does it affect "the understanding of qura'an" as well practical life of people if Eisa borne with OR with out father???????? Question by: moazzam From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 25/04/2013
 
Dr sahib salam pls pls pls explain 2:233 والوالدات يرضعن أولادهن.......................... Question by: saidalavi ansari From INDIA (KERALA) On 01/05/2013
 
who is muthllakth المطلَّقات Question by: saidalavi ansari From INDIA (KERALA) On 01/05/2013
 
Hijab Jilbaab/ by Moazzam Islam Question by: Nargis From BARBADOS (KIO BATAO?) On 18/06/2013
 
Respected Dr, Qamar Zaman sb some one says mostly the trad trans is what is written in Quran but what U r bringing is new verbal meanings of Words,why should we choose those words as Quran is Mubin and it explains itself.e.g what U describe of halal. Question by: shaista From PAKISTAN (LAHORE) On 08/12/2013
 
Kindly send Dr. Qamar Zaman's US phone number to me at AsarSyed@gmail.com Question by: Asarulislam From UNITED STATES (LOS ANGELES) On 12/06/2014
 
I wrote many times in the form on the site, but no one answers. So, I have a translation of the book "THE TRUTH ABOUT SALAT. Dr. Qamar Zaman" to Russian. Do you want to put it on the site? Question by: onlyquran01 From RUSSIAN FEDERATION (RUSSIA) On 04/07/2014
 
Respected Aastana team, please could you kindly point me to the surah and ayat number of the two ayats referenced on page 9 & 10 of Sarchashma Hidayat sirf Al Quran? Thanks in advance for your assistance. Question by: Riaz From UNITED KINGDOM (LONDON) On 27/12/2014
 
Aoa, dear aastana members can you kindly translate surah ikhlaas exposing its main theme Question by: Abdul Hadi Saqib From PAKISTAN (LAHORE) On 14/03/2015
 
مسلمانوں کی نمازوں کے زرتشتی ماخظ Dowanload Question by: Adnan From PAKISTAN On 17/04/2015
 
i have asked two questions please Dr Q z sab post my 2nd question in this blog too. if it is not possible to post it here. then please reply to me via email. as i am really confused about the soum. why ghulam ahmed perwez sab couldn't explain? Question by: kanju swat From UNITED KINGDOM (LONDON) On 11/11/2015
 
aap jo quran ki wazahat karte hein 'kia aap khuda(god) per yaqeen(belief) rakhte hein? oor han(yes)! to aap ka aqeda(belief) kia hai? Question by: sufyanarif From PAKISTAN On 21/12/2015
 
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