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TRANSLATION OF QURAN
BY DR. QAMAR ZAMAN
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Dear Brs. and Srs, SA: I am wondering about the translation of the word "Bilghaib" in 2:3. Dr. QZ has translated this as "Qudrat Kay Qawanwwn." How and why it could be translated as such? How could this translation fit in other 53 places in Quran?
Add Your Comments  Question by: DAWOOD On 07 June 2011
Comments by: moazzam On 08 June 2011
 
Dear Dawood ! Please consolidate the verses 10/20, 6/59, 3/179 to know the meaning of الْغَيْبِ “ALGHAIB”.  
Then see the verses where word آيَةٌcomes, which clearly describe the befitted meaning as قدرت کے پیمانوں  
 
 
الْغَيْبِ = آيَةٌ = إِنَّ فِي خَلْقِ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ وَاخْتِلاَفِ اللَّيْلِ وَالنَّهَارِ لَآيَاتٍ لِّأُوْلِي الْأَلْبَابِ  
 
إِنَّ فِي خَلْقِ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأَرْضِ وَاخْتِلاَفِ اللَّيْلِ وَالنَّهَارِ وَالْفُلْكِ الَّتِي تَجْرِي فِي الْبَحْرِ بِمَا يَنفَعُ النَّاسَ وَمَا أَنزَلَ اللّهُ مِنَ السَّمَاءِ مِن مَّاءٍ فَأَحْيَا بِهِ الْأَرْضَ بَعْدَ مَوْتِهَا وَبَثَّ فِيهَا مِن كُلِّ  
دَآبَّةٍ وَتَصْرِيفِ الرِّيَاحِ وَالسَّحَابِ الْمُسَخِّرِ بَيْنَ السَّمَاءِ وَالأَرْضِ لَآيَاتٍ لِّقَوْمٍ يَعْقِلُونَ  
 
VERSE 10/20  
وَيَقُولُونَ لَوْلاَ أُنزِلَ عَلَيْهِ آيَةٌ مِّن رَّبِّهِ فَقُلْ إِنَّمَا الْغَيْبُ لِلّهِ فَانْتَظِرُواْ إِنِّي مَعَكُم مِّنَ الْمُنتَظِ  
 
VERSE 6/59  
وَعِندَهُ مَفَاتِحُ الْغَيْبِ لاَ يَعْلَمُهَا إِلاَّ هُوَ وَيَعْلَمُ مَا فِي الْبَرِّ وَالْبَ  
حْرِ وَمَا تَسْقُطُ مِن وَرَقَةٍ إِلاَّ يَعْلَمُهَا وَلاَ حَبَّةٍ فِي ظُلُمَاتِ الْأَرْضِ وَلاَ رَطْبٍ وَلاَ يَابِسٍ إِلاَّ  
فِي كِتَابٍ مُّبِينٍ  
 
 
VERSE 3/179  
مَّا كَانَ اللّهُ لِيَذَرَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ عَلَى مَآ أَنتُمْ عَلَيْهِ حَتَّى يَمِيزَ الْخَبِيثَ مِنَ الطَّيِّبِ وَمَا كَانَ اللّهُ لِيُطْلِعَكُمْ عَلَى الْغَيْبِ وَلَكِنَّ اللّهَ يَجْتَبِي مِن رُّسُلِهِ مَن يَشَاءُ فَآمِنُواْ بِاللّهِ وَرُسُلِهِ وَإِن تُؤْمِ  
نُواْ وَتَتَّقُواْ فَلَكُمْ أَجْرٌ عَظِيمٌ  
 
 
 
3 الَّذِينَ يُؤْمِنُونَ بِالْغَيْبِ وَيُقِيمُونَ الصَّلَاةَ وَمِمَّا رَزَقْنَاهُمْ يُنفِقُونَ  
متقی وہ لوگ ہیں جو قدرت کے پیمانوں کے ذریعے امن قائم کرتے ہیں یعنی احکامات الہی کے تحت نظام قائم کرتے ہیں اور جو ہم نے انہیں رزق دیا ہے اس کو بھلائی کے لئے خرچ کرتے ہیں۔  
 

Comments by: dawood On 08 June 2011Report Abuse
Thank you, Br. Moazzam. 10:20 is an excellent choice (in my view) to highlight the meanings of ALGHAIB. I would request Dr. QZ to please insert such references under the respective verses so as to clear the fog of confusion for many like me. This is particularly true for words which have well known common meanings; ALGHAIB is a good example of such words which is translated as unseen, hidden by almost all translators?  
 
Now some more questions: What are the root letters for both AYAT and ALGHAIB? What is a common demoninator in these words because of which they are put next to each other, in an equivalent manner? If they carry the same meanings, what is the need to use them separately in one verse? Is one word (AYAT) a subset of the other (ALGHAIB)? Would it be reasonable to think that AYAT is referring to when something is revealed, whereas ALGHAIB is a bigger set including both revealed and non-revealed (hidden) laws/paymaney, etc???  
 
Finally, I am still confused as to how does this understanding of "Qudrat Kay Paymaney" fit into the entire 6:59 and 3:179? Particularly, look at 3:179's typical translation: "Allah will not leave the believers in the state in which ye are now, until He separates what is evil from what is good nor will He disclose to you the secrets of the Unseen. But He chooses of His Messengers (For the purpose) whom He pleases. So believe in Allah. And His messengers: And if ye believe and do right, ye have a reward without measure. " (Yousuf Ali). At best, this is highly confusing translation. Can Dr. QZ or anyone else elaborate on this, please?  
 

Comments by: moazzam On 09 June 2011
Dawood ! This is particularly true for words which have well known common meanings; ALGHAIB is a good example of such words which is translated as unseen, hidden by almost all translators?  
Moazzam! A befitted meaning of Quranic words should be selected from the dictionary keeping in mind the context of the subject. For example  
 
الَّذِينَ يُؤْمِنُونَ بِالْغَيْبِ وَيُقِيمُونَ الصَّلَاةَ وَمِمَّا رَزَقْنَاهُمْ يُنفِقُونَ  
متقی وہ لوگ ہیں جو قدرت کے پیمانوں کے ذریعے امن قائم کرتے ہیں یعنی احکامات الہی کے تحت نظام قائم کرتے ہیں اور جو ہم نے انہیں رزق دیا ہے اس کو بھلائی کے لئے خرچ کرتے ہیں۔  
 
وَمِنَ النَّاسِ مَن يَقُولُ آمَنَّا بِاللَّهِ وَبِالْيَوْمِ الْآخِرِ وَمَا هُم بِمُؤْمِنِينَ  
اور لوگوں میں سے وہ بھی ہیں جو کہتے ہیں کہ ہم اقدار الہی کے ذریعے امن میں رہتے ہیں اور مکافات عمل کے ظہور کے وقت بھی امن میں رہنے والے ہونگےلیکن یہ لوگ امن والے نہیں۔  
 
 
يُخَادِعُونَ اللَّهَ وَالَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَمَا يَخْدَعُونَ إِلَّا أَنفُسَهُمْ وَمَا يَشْعُرُونَ  
یہ مملکت خداداد اور اہل امن کو دھوکہ دیتے ہیں لیکن یہ توصرف اپنے ہی لوگوں کو دھوکہ دیتے ہیں اور یہ بے شعور ہیں۔  
 
Moazzam! Particularly, look at 3:179's typical translation: "Allah will not leave the believers in the state in which ye are now, until He separates what is evil from what is good nor will He disclose to you the secrets of the Unseen( Ayatullah) But He chooses of His Messengers (For the purpose) whom He pleases. So believe in Allah. And His messengers: And if ye believe and do right, ye have a reward without measure. “(Yousuf Ali).  
So the above translation has no confusion at all, if you may put like this “the secrets of the Unseen( Ayatullah)”  

Comments by: dawood On 09 June 2011Report Abuse
SA Brs. and Srs: And thank you Br. Moazzam for your kind reply.  
 
I think I was not clear enough in my question. I try it once more. Referring to the first part of 10:20, people are demanding and wondering as to why an AYAT has not been revealed to the messenger. They perhaps want a "tangible proof (Ayat)" such as a miracle or something by which they can confirm that he is indeed the messenger of Allah. The second part of the verse, however, does not say that the AYAT is with Allah or from Allah, rather it uses a different word, AlGHAIB and points out that ALGHAIB is only for Allah. My confusion is as to why ALGHAIB is used in response to the demand of AYAT? Please remember, these are perfected verses; hence, there must be a strong reason and a connection between these two words. Everyone's input and understanding is greatly appreciated.

Comments by: Dr. Qamar Zaman On 10 June 2011
Dear Moazzam ,assalam-o-alaik,  
Let me accept this fact today that you are well ahead of me. you have answered the question so nicely and comprehencively that nothing is left to be added . Thanks .  
Dr Qamar Zaman .

Comments by: moazzam On 10 June 2011
THANK YOU DR. QAMARZAMAN; FOR ENCOURAGEMENT TO A MEAGRE STUDENT OF QURAN.

Comments by: ali.haideer On 11 June 2011Report Abuse
3:179 "Allah will not leave the believers in the state in which ye are now, until He separates what is evil from what is good nor will He disclose to you the secrets of the Unseen( Ayatullah) But He chooses of His Messengers (For the purpose) whom He pleases. So believe in Allah. And His messengers: And if ye believe and do right, ye have a reward without measure.  
 
6: 59. With Him are the keys of the unseen, the treasures that none knoweth but He. He knoweth whatever there is on the earth and in the sea. Not a leaf doth fall but with His knowledge: there is not a grain in the darkness (or depths) of the earth, nor anything fresh or dry (green or withered), but is (inscribed) in a record clear (to those who can read).  
 
10: 20. They say: "Why is not a sign sent down to him from his Lord?" Say: "The Unseen is only for Allah (to know), then wait ye: I too will wait with you.  
 
Mozam bhai 3:179 nor will He disclose to you the secrets of the Unseen.Than  But He chooses of His Messengers whom He pleases.  
We know that a man having qualities of distinction will act as a Rasool and he will himself prove to be a rasool/nabi it means directly God is not involved in this appointment but his laws are involved in it. So would be translate 3:179 as : He(Nature) disclose to you the secrets of the Unseen( Ayatullah) But He(Nature) chooses of His Messengers (For the purpose) whom He pleases(who will follow the laws of nature and prove himself to be person of extra ordinary qualities)?  
From unseen would we mean as The Laws which are obligatory to lead a happy life and from disclose that the particular peron RASOOL will observe,study and struggle to learn these laws????  
If my above explanation is correct than 3:179 and 6:59 will be clear if not make it clear….  
And still 10:20 is not clear that a Rasool is saying The Unseen is only for Allah (to know), then wait ye: I too will wait with you. My above explanation contradicts with this verse B/c rasool denies that Unseen is for Allah and I am also waiting for it.  

Comments by: waseemameer On 11 June 2011Report Abuse
Dear Moazzam,  
 
What would mean Al-ghaib in ayat 3/44?

Comments by: Maniza On 11 June 2011
Dear Moazzam,  
 
Is Allah not God? as for me I understand your comment as Allah who is the creator of the Laws of Nature. I do understand that in certain text I'lah can mean either state or nature, but that where Allah is used direct it means God Almighty the creator and sustainer through His Laws of Nature.

Comments by: ali.haideer On 11 June 2011Report Abuse
maniza and moazzam please tell me and correct me for my above post.....................

Comments by: moazzam On 12 June 2011
 
Dear Ali haider !As the whole universe is continuously changing its state, it is also obvious, that, the needs and requirements of man kind are tremendous being changed, see the verse 55/29 يَسْأَلُهُ مَن فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ كُلَّ يَوْمٍ هُوَ فِي شَأْنٍ .So the Rasool of the time will guide his nation while pondering into Alkitab and the universal laws of nature as well.  
The appropriate solution to the existing /current situation would be revealed in the mind of Rasool are called ayaat( ilm al ghaib).Now re read the following verses 3/179,6/59,10/20 keeping in mind the above said.  
The verse 55/29 has been wrongly translated by orthodox, that there is eventual change in Allah’s self, the هُوَ in this verse MUST be related to the Universe, not to Allah.  
Ali Haider! 3:179 nor will He disclose to you the secrets of the But He chooses of His Messengers whom He pleases. Unseen. Then We know that a man having qualities of distinction will act as a Rasool and he will himself prove to be a rasool/nabi it means directly God is not involved in this appointment but his laws are involved in it. So would be translate 3:179 as : He(Nature) disclose to you the secrets of the Unseen( Ayatullah) But He(Nature) chooses of His Messengers (For the purpose) whom He pleases(who will follow the laws of nature and prove himself to be person of extra ordinary qualities)?  
From unseen would we mean as The Laws which are obligatory to lead a happy life and from disclose that the particular person RASOOL will observe study and struggle to learn these laws????  
If my above explanation is correct than 3:179 and 6:59 will be cleared.  
Moazzam ! Yes you are right.  
 
Ali Haider !And still 10:20 is not clear that a Rasool is saying The Unseen is only for Allah (to know), then wait ye: I too will wait with you. My above explanation contradicts with this verse B/c rasool denies that Unseen is for Allah and I am also waiting for it.  
Moazzam ! It doesn’t mean any sort of divine connection (wireless-like) between two personalities, rather conceiving of ideas in Rasool’s mind, to address the current matters, through due course of natural process ( called Allah)  
Mind ! Where the word “Allah” comes in quran, its sense should be taken according to the context of the subject under discussion.  

Comments by: moazzam On 12 June 2011
Sister Maniza! You are right, Allah introduced him as a "SELF" see 6/103.Thanks.  
But the word Allah will be interpreted according to its use in the verse as per context of the subject.

Comments by: pervez On 12 June 2011Report Abuse
Dear Moazzam,  
 
If Allah introduced him as a "SELF" see 6/103, Why the word Allah will be interpreted according to its use  
in the verse as per context of the subject? Very confusing , kindly elaborate.  
 
Secondly you said,  
 
"Then We know that a man having qualities of distinction will act as a Rasool and he will himself prove to be a rasool/nabi it means directly God is not involved in this appointment but his laws are involved in it." By Moazzam  
 
This is also confusing,  
 
1.How God is not involved but his laws are involved?  
 
2.What is the concept of laws operating indirectly from God? We have concept of laws legislated in the parliament and than  
executed by executive in the society.  
 
3.How do you visualize legislation of natural laws and their execution by Allah in the universe?  
 
4.How will you separate Allah from his laws?  
 
REGARDS.

Comments by: moazzam On 12 June 2011
dear Pervez! The following translation may clear your state of confusion.  
 
 
وَمِنَ النَّاسِ مَن يَقُولُ آمَنَّا بِاللَّهِ وَبِالْيَوْمِ الْآخِرِ وَمَا هُم بِمُؤْمِنِينَ  
اور لوگوں میں سے وہ بھی ہیں جو کہتے ہیں کہ ہم اقدار الہی کے ذریعے امن میں رہتے ہیں اور مکافات عمل کے ظہور کے وقت بھی امن میں رہنے والے ہونگےلیکن یہ لوگ امن والے نہیں۔  
 
 
يُخَادِعُونَ اللَّهَ وَالَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَمَا يَخْدَعُونَ إِلَّا أَنفُسَهُمْ وَمَا يَشْعُرُونَ  
یہ مملکت خداداد اور اہل امن کو دھوکہ  
Moazzam! Allah has already set his laws(this is his direct involvement),now there will be no any direct Allah’s intervention in the universe.  
 
دیتے ہیں لیکن یہ توصرف اپنے ہی لوگوں کو دھوکہ دیتے ہیں اور یہ بے شعور ہیں۔  
As for as your second portion of question is concerns,  
Allah has already set his laws(this is his direct involvement),now there will be no any direct Allah’s intervention in the universe,each and every hapening would be through due course of natural laws.  
 

Comments by: pervez On 12 June 2011Report Abuse
 
My dear Moazzam,  
 
You replied before I edited my comments, so my other questions were not included in your answer.  
I shall be grateful if you answer remaining questions. Thank you for prompt reply.

Comments by: moazzam On 12 June 2011
Dear Pervez ! Recall the concept of BE IZNILLAH AND INSHA ALLAH.THE QUERY WILL BE CLEARED.

Comments by: pervez On 12 June 2011Report Abuse
Dear Moazzam,  
 
You gave me a good answer assuming that I know Quranic concepts given by  
Allama Pervez. but as you know I am not follower of anyone. I am well aware of those explanations  
but my question still remain. Can you answer my questions above. Please read them once again.  
If my quota finishes I will write with my second Id Momin. Confusion persists in my mind. If you can  
not it is OK, I shall keep thinking till I find answers to my questions.  
 
REGARDS.

Comments by: moazzam On 12 June 2011
Pervez! You gave me a good answer assuming that I know Quranic concepts given by  
Allama Pervez. but as you know I am not follower of anyone. I am well aware of those explanations.  
Moazzam! Thats good,concentrate on the logics given by a person, not the person itself.So keep on thinking,you will definitely land on destination(the wisdom)  

Comments by: moazzam On 12 June 2011
Dear WaseemAmeer! Here in the verse 3/44, the word الْغَيْبِ is used in a sense of unknown/unseen. What is ghaib here? It is obvious from the first portion of the verse ذَلِكَ مِنْ أَنبَاءِ الْغَيْبِ نُوحِيهِ إِلَيكَ  
That, this means the stories being described.  
 
 

Comments by: Nargis-Badshah-Salamat On 12 June 2011Report Abuse
1.How God is not involved but his laws are involved?  
 
God was involved BEFORE (and while) he created the laws, and let the programme continue according to its rules. Anyone in that prog is subject to these laws and there is no need of God to interfere. If you jump from a building, its not God who personally drag you down, its the gravity, which is placed there and doing what its told to do. Cause and effect ... God wouldnt have to get involved each and everytime "effect "is required  
 
Brother Moazzams reply covered all of your questions with  
 
وَمِنَ النَّاسِ مَن يَقُولُ آمَنَّا بِاللَّهِ وَبِالْيَوْمِ الْآخِرِ وَمَا هُم بِمُؤْمِنِينَ  
اور لوگوں میں سے وہ بھی ہیں جو کہتے ہیں کہ ہم اقدار الہی کے ذریعے امن میں رہتے ہیں اور مکافات عمل کے ظہور کے وقت بھی امن میں رہنے والے ہونگےلیکن یہ لوگ امن والے نہیں۔  
 
 
يُخَادِعُونَ اللَّهَ وَالَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَمَا يَخْدَعُونَ إِلَّا أَنفُسَهُمْ وَمَا يَشْعُرُونَ  
یہ مملکت خداداد اور اہل امن کو دھوکہ  
Moazzam! Allah has already set his laws(this is his direct involvement),now there will be no any direct Allah’s intervention in the universe.  
 
دیتے ہیں لیکن یہ توصرف اپنے ہی لوگوں کو دھوکہ دیتے ہیں اور یہ بے شعور ہیں۔  
As for as your second portion of question is concerns, Allah has already set his laws(this is his direct involvement),now there will be no any direct Allah’s intervention in the universe,each and every hapening would be through due course of natural laws.  
 
Allahs DIRECT involvement is when he sat the laws, when laws are there, then they are operating as programmed. When a TV is created, then all we have to do is to click the on button, and its working as its programmed.
 

Comments by: pervez On 12 June 2011Report Abuse
 
Dear Nargis,  
 
I am not satisfied. Concentrate more on my questions , I can elaborate more but you don't  
seem to have answers So I have to meditate and transcend my own consciousness to find answers.  
Certainly, things are not as you are thinking. You said,  
 
"God was involved BEFORE (and while) he created the laws,"By Nargis , Time is not reality.  
No concept of before and after in eternity.  
 
 
Anyway you have the right to hold your opinions. Thank you so much.

Comments by: Nargis-Badshah-Salamat On 12 June 2011Report Abuse
Has the universe been here forever? Or was there a point when everything started? Anyway, the laws no matter if they were put there six o clock or seven o clock, or have been there for ever- they are established and they operate as they are programmed. Therefore there is no direct intervention of the one who created the laws, because they already do as they are told.  
 
 

Comments by: pervez On 12 June 2011Report Abuse
ALLAH HAFIZ

Comments by: Nargis-Badshah-Salamat On 12 June 2011Report Abuse
ALLAH HAFIZ  

Comments by: Zubair On 12 June 2011
My Dear Moazzam & Nargis,  
 
I hope I am wrong but your stand looks similar to some new brand of atheists who do not deny the fact that Someone created this universe. But they also claim The Creator is no longer involved in the affairs of our universe. He simply disappeared leaving the universe at the mercy of the laws. Is this true? If so, these laws must be empowered with Consciousness, same like humans. But consciousness requires a brain to function. Do these laws possess brains like humans?  
 
What about verse 2:255? Does not it clearly show Allah’s involvement in His creation at all times?  
 
GOD - there is no deity save Him, the Ever-Living, the Self-Subsistent Fount of All Being. Neither slumber overtakes Him, nor sleep. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is on earth. Who is there that could intercede with Him, unless it be by His leave?  
 
He knows all that lies open before men and all that is hidden from them, whereas they cannot attain to aught of His knowledge save that which He wills [them to attain].  
 
His eternal power overspreads the heavens and the earth, and their upholding wearies Him not. And he alone is truly exalted, tremendous.
 
 
(The Message of The Quran, Translated and explained by Muhammad Asad)  

Comments by: pervez On 12 June 2011Report Abuse
My dear brother Zubair,  
 
Thank you so much for this enlightening post of yours. You always prove to be a ray of  
light at the end of tunnel here. I am so grateful to you. You have illuminated my heart and  
gave more confidence that someone else is also thinking like me.  
 
GAIY DIN K TANHA THA MAI UNJUMEN MAI.  
CHAMAN MAI MERAY RAZDAN AOR BI HAIN.

Comments by: moazzam On 13 June 2011
Brother Zubair! Salam.  
 
 
Zubair ! I hope I am wrong but your stand looks similar to some new brand of atheists who do not deny the fact that someone created this universe. But they also claim The Creator is no longer involved in the affairs of our universe. He simply disappeared leaving the universe at the mercy of the laws. Is this true?  
Moazzam! Yes this is true.  
Remember the atheists never believe in life after death and accountability therein whereas we believe in. We know Allah as he introduced in Quran and we do interpret word Allah as per context of the subject under discussion.  
Zubair ! If so, these laws must be empowered with Consciousness, same like humans. But consciousness requires a brain to function. Do these laws possess brains like humans?  
Moazzam! The brainy human is also the part of this universe.  
 
Zubair ! What about verse 2:255? Does not it clearly show Allah’s involvement in His creation at all times?  
Moazzam ! You quoted the orthodox (mythological based)translation, let me produce the translation of GA Pervez as under  
 
255: This order belongs to Allah Almighty Who is the sole authority in the universe; Who is Ever-Living and Self-Subsisting and Who is seized neither by slumber nor sleep. The entire universe is engaged in fulfilling His Plan. Who is there who can intercede with Him unless it be in accordance with His Laws. Allah Almighty knows the past and present of all people and no one can partake of his knowledge except through the method prescribed by Him. Allah Almighty 's Authority encompasses the entire universe which He maintains untiringly. His Power extends from the lowest to the highest level of His Creation.  
 
Mind; the sense of this verse should be seen in the light of the subject described in verses2/246-260.  
Verses 246-252 : here the confrontation /war between HAQQ and BATILL has been described and resultantly an Islamic state hase been emerged/established.  
Now consolidate verse 2 /257 and 24/35,24/40  
 
As the orthodox translation doesn’t make proper sense to explain the divine message especially in the verses 24/35 and 24/40..  
Go through the veres 24/35-46 you will find here the invitation to look deep in to the universe.  
Note the following terminologies used in said verses to understand the sense of “Noor and Zulumaat”also read the verse2/257.  
Remember I used the dictionary ALMANJAD to take out the sense from the respective roots.  
 
مِشْكَاةٍ =The Universe (loh-e-mahfooz)  
 
مِصْبَاحٌ = The thing which distinguishes RIGHT from WRONG.  
 
زُجَاجَةٍ =Easy to see (transparent)  
 
كَوْكَبٌ دُرِّيٌّ = The object could be known through a specified logical way (the planet known by the sun light called كَوْكَبٌ دُرِّيٌّ )  
 
يُوقَدُ مِن شَجَرَةٍ مُّبَارَكَةٍ = creating more branches of divine knowledge.  
 
وقَدُ = The development of more branches from the stem.  
 
زَيْتُونَةٍ = any source /discipline of knowledge (the specific fruit is called Zaitoon because it is the source of extracting “Zait”(the oil).  
 
زَيْتُهَا = Conceiving of ideas / thoughts “laws of nature” (Oil is called zait because it is the extraction of seed).  
لَّا شَرْقِيَّةٍ وَلَا غَرْبِيَّةٍ = the most balanced laws/ ideas  
 
يَكَادُ = Self explanatory.  
 
كَادُ زَيْتُهَا يُضِيءُ وَلَوْ لَمْ تَمْسَسْهُ نَارٌ = those laws of nature/universal values are so sufficient to understand or self explanatory even further guidance (Alkitab) not reached to help  
 
نَارٌ = Guidance,(like Musa said inni aanastu NARUN)  
 
نُّورٌ عَلَى نُورٍ = The guidance to DEEN-ALLAH  
رٍ يَهْدِي اللَّهُ لِنُورِهِ مَن يَشَاءُ = Any body who wants guidance to know his DEEN certainly could get through due course of understanding.  
 
THE ZULUMAT IS THE ANTONYM OF NOOR  
To understand the ZULUMAAT read the following points.  
ظُلُمَاتٍ = The commandments in contrary to Allah’s commandments (including any literature other than the divine message).  
فِي بَحْرٍ = The ocean of knowledge ,to know the sense of bahr see the verse 31/27 and 18/60.  
 
لُّجِّيٍّ = The quarreling/shouting based at ego-strutting (like mullah’s attitude)  
 
يَغْشَاهُ مَوْجٌ مِّن فَوْقِهِ مَوْجٌ = The tug of war (each group wants to dominate other), see the sense of maoj in verse 18/99.  
 
سَحَابٌ= A group of plunderer (the person/group who snatches others rights with power),Therefore the cloud storm is also called SAHAB  
إِذَا أَخْرَجَ يَدَهُ لَمْ يَكَدْ يَرَاهَا= Even, some one/group been involved in such a situation (Zulumat) wants to quit himself he couldn’t, till he follows the due course of divine procedure.  
 
Pay the especial attention at verse 39 before pondering into verse40.  
CONCLUSION  
Allah provided us the universal values and laws which could be revealed by research work at rational basis and utilized for the betterment of mankind.  
The quarreling among various religious groups (Mushrekeen) are called Maoj faoqa maoj as well as the most stronger group is called SAHAB. It is hard to quit if some one entangled in their net.  
 
Let us come to the verse 2/255 this verse should be read in consolidation with 2/258-260.  
In verses 255 the attributes of Islamic state (divine state) “MUMLEKAT E KHUDA DAD” has been described.  

Comments by: pervez On 13 June 2011Report Abuse
 
My dear brothers Zubair and Moazzam,  
 
Zubair ! I hope I am wrong but your stand looks similar to some new brand of atheists who do not deny the fact that someone created this universe. But they also claim The Creator is no longer involved in the affairs of our universe. He simply disappeared leaving the universe at the mercy of the laws. Is this true?  
Moazzam! Yes this is true. ( By Moazzam)  
 
Dear brother Moazzam, You are absolutely correct , Allama Pervez's literature and translations  
exactly mean the same. But I could never comprehend and never accepted his translations as  
prudent on this account.  
 
Now you both brothers kindly discuss this point and help me in learning this important aspect.  
I have exactly the same opinion as that of brother Zubair.  
 
Regards.  
 

Comments by: Nargis-Badshah-Salamat On 13 June 2011Report Abuse
Brother moazzam reply is good enough for both of us.  
 
I wonder, can any of you tell me when God came down to planet earth to "fix" something personally?

Comments by: Maniza On 13 June 2011
Salam and peace to All,  
 
Although some have given their opnions without knowledge of the Quran (traditional or otherwise) there are just a few points in which I too would like some clarification.  
 
1. A child is ill, be it a Muslim child or a Hindus, haveing the same sickeness why is it that the Hindu's child is "saved" but the muslim mother, despite her praying and pleading to God Al-mighty" loses her child?  
 
2.why is it that some are born into wealth and happiness, live in a state, or migrate to a place which has food, shelter and riches in abundance for its people? In other places there is terrible hunger, famine and sorrow?  
 
3. why is it that there is anomosity in families, divorce and depression, whereas those that adhere to human rights live in semi paradise?  
 

Comments by: pervez On 13 June 2011Report Abuse
Dear brother Moazzam, Referance,Comments by: moazzam On 13 June 2011  
 
Zubair ! If so, these laws must be empowered with Consciousness, same like humans. But consciousness requires a brain to function. Do these laws possess brains like humans?  
Moazzam! The brainy human is also the part of this universe  
 
Could you please explain what do you mean by "The brainy human is also the part of this universe"  
How it addresses the query by brother Zubair ? Do these laws possess brains like humans?  
Do you see laws also as life or being like human brain(consciousness)?  
 
With no intention to offend or defend.  
REGARDS.

Comments by: dawood On 13 June 2011Report Abuse
Thank you Brs. and Srs for your kind comments. Although these are important Qs and comments, this thread has morphed into something else. Yet, I am still ceased by the connection that exists between the words "ALGHAIB" and the "AYAT."  
Br. Moazzam or anyother br. and sr.: can you please enlighten me about the root letters of both words, ALGHAIB and AYAT. Although the meanings of these words may depend upon the context, yet I will request you to post some prominent menaings of these words.  

Comments by: pervez On 13 June 2011Report Abuse
Dear brother Dawood,  
 
AYYAT, Root , (alif ,yai,yai) means sign of anything with which you can find about it.For example  
if you see smoke from a distance, it means there is fire there.Smoke is a process of fire. It also  
means natural laws and sometimes is used as evidence .In Quran Ayat is used for visible things  
(shahada) to know about invisible(alghaib). Ayats give us an idea of our creator who is invisible  
(alghaib)This is what I understand with my meager knowledge. This seems to me the link between  
Ayat and Alghaib.  
 

Comments by: Nargis2 On 13 June 2011Report Abuse
Yet, I am still ceased by the connection that exists between the words "ALGHAIB" and the "AYAT."  
 
Connection is, "The Laws which are obligatory to lead a happy life ,disclosed by the particular Rasuul who observed and studied and struggled to learn them "are provided to us by him.  
 
The nature reveals itself to the one who struggel to SEE and FIND its hidden knowledge (which is there, but will only reveal when looked for). Divine connection as in a phone call to the Rusool and explaination of ayas are not the case, but the knowledge found as result of effort and hard work of the rusool. His ability to observe leads him to the findings, and WHAT he observed from and calculations are provided to us, they are all here in the universe,,,,,  
 
Ghaabatun, refers to a thick forest in which the ground is hidden from the trees. Ghayyubaat-as-Shajar refers to the roots of a tree which are hidden in the ground and are not visible (Taj-al-Urus).

Comments by: Zubair On 14 June 2011
Dear Maniza,  
 
We are not talking about Allah’s direct intervention in our daily affairs. You might have missed my previous posts in which I stated that Allah would never come down to intervene. We must take care of our worldly affairs ourselves. If we do not, what use are our higher level of consciousness and other faculties that distinguish us from other creations?  
 
Brother Moazzam and His/Her Majesty might have been partially right if our universe contained only this earth and nothing else. Because we do not see Allah’s intervention, we may infer that He is not involved directly. But our universe is too huge. It contains about 500 billion galaxies and each of them got 100-200 billions starts. Our own galaxy Milky Way owns 200 billion stars including our sun. Our earth is just a tiny grain of sand compared to this huge universe containing countless celestial bodies. We have not yet learned everything about our own earth. We have not set foot on any other planet of our solar system. In fact, our current knowledge of the universe is no more than a tiny drop of water compared to vast ocean. I am sure neither Moazzam nor His/Her Majesty has ever left this earth to explore any other place in the universe. How do they know The Creator just disappeared leaving everything at the mercy of laws? Do they have a proof? Can they tell us where The Creator go?
 
 

Comments by: pervez On 14 June 2011Report Abuse
My dear brother Zubair,  
 
1. I fully agree with you. However, I would like to add that there is nothing as Allah going  
up or coming down(in terms of space) before or after in (terms of time)Allah is never separate  
from his creation.He is neither up nor down. I neither see start nor end of this universe.  
More over up and down is totally relative in the universe what to talk of eternity. So long  
as creator exists creation will also exist and will continue unending progress.  
 
What is creation?  
 
2. it is nothing but progress itself. It is neither "khail"(LAHV) nor "tamasha"(LAAB) a serious program.  
That is why I failed to comprehend my most respected personality Allama Pervez's concept  
of separating natural laws from Allah. If the relationship of Allah with his laws is not understood  
properly it opens doors to materialistic thinking by blocking away Allah's loving relation with humans,  
making human life purposeless and living with blind/ dead hearts and dead souls.  
 
3. Remember Sir, I am not preaching Mullahism, but we shouldn't deny realities just to oppose Mullah ,  
who also believes in love of Allah but doesn't know Quran.We must see everything in its true perspective.  
Love of Allah is obeying his commandments not human wishes. We should never deny love of Allah. Progress  
in real sense is nearness to Allah by inculcating his attributes in individuals personality(SIBGHATULLAH)  
by practical demonstration in the society.  
 
4. "Best life is that which is inspired by love and guided by knowledge" By Bertend Russel  
I would like to say,  
BEST LIFE IS THAT WHICH IS INSPIRED BY LOVE OF ALLAH AND GUIDED BY KNOWLEDGE OF QURAN.  
 
 
With profound regards and best wishes.

Comments by: Nargis-Badshah-Salamat On 14 June 2011Report Abuse
I am sure neither Moazzam nor His/Her Majesty has ever left this earth to explore any other place in the universe. How do they know The Creator just disappeared leaving everything at the mercy of laws? Do they have a proof? Can they tell us where The Creator go? Zubair  
 
Same questions can be asked you.Have you left earth to explore direct interference of God anywhere? What proof do you have? Can you tell us where the Creator is?  
 
I dont understand what you mean by disappear and where you got that from?  
 
and more important, what did the Quran say?
 
 
Brother Moazzam and His/Her Majesty might have been partially right if our universe contained only this earth and nothing else.  
 
does that mean your partially atheist, no, sorry, i mean "partially" NEW BRAND of ATHEIST?  
 

Comments by: Zubair On 14 June 2011
Dear Pervez,  
 
Let me clarify my point further. When I talk about Allah coming down, I mean His intervention in our affairs or problems. When we face wars or natural calamities, we do not see Allah coming down (intervening on our behalf). This is because we are endowed with consciousness and faculties. We are capable of preventing wars and disasters. Have not we already wiped out many fatal diseases from the face of earth? Allah’s lack of intervention in our earthly affairs does not mean He has abandoned this universe and left it at the mercy of natural laws or forces. In fact, whenever we make new discoveries or inventions, Allah’s invisible hand is always behind it. That is why many scientists credit God for their success in discovering or inventing something.  
 
Does not it look strange that Western scientists acknowledge the involvement of God or The Creator while so-called Muslims deny it?
 

Comments by: Zubair On 14 June 2011
Dear His/Her Majesty,  
 
Please read your and Moazzam’s statements and decide who is acting like an atheist.  
 
MOAZZAM: Allah has already set his laws (this is his direct involvement), now there will be no any direct Allah’s intervention in the universe.  
 
NARGIS-BADSHAH-SALAMAT: God was involved BEFORE (and while) he created the laws, and let the programme continue according to its rules. Anyone in that prog is subject to these laws and there is no need of God to interfere.  
 
NARGIS-BADSHAH-SALAMAT: Allahs DIRECT involvement is when he sat the laws, when laws are there, then they are operating as programmed. When a TV is created, then all we have to do is to click the on button, and its working as its programmed.  
 
(Sure, you can turn on TV by pressing the “on” button. What do you do when it malfunctions? Have you seen TVs or computers evolving by themselves? Who has been improving the TVs and Computers and making them better and better? Of course, the inventors are doing it. Likewise, our universe and everything in it is evolving. And Allah Almighty is in charge of this ongoing evolution. Zubair)  
 
Zubair: I hope I am wrong but your stand looks similar to some new brand of atheists who do not deny the fact that Someone created this universe. But they also claim The Creator is no longer involved in the affairs of our universe. He simply disappeared leaving the universe at the mercy of the laws. Is this true?  
 
MOAZZAM: Yes this is true.  
 
Do you see who is proclaiming to be an atheist? Who is denying the existence of The Creator or His involvement in the universe?  
 
Zubair: If so, these laws must be empowered with Consciousness, same like humans. But consciousness requires a brain to function. Do these laws possess brains like humans?  
 
Moazzam: The brainy human is also the part of this universe.  
 
Why Moazzam did not answer my second question? The fact is laws do not come with brains or consciousness. They do not function on their own. Someone has to enforce them. Whoever created these laws is also responsible for their enforcement.  
 
Let us forget the translation of Muhammad Asad (though there is not much difference between the two) and go with Allama Pervez.
 
 
2:255 This order belongs to Allah Almighty Who is the sole authority in the universe; Who is Ever-Living and Self-Subsisting and Who is seized neither by slumber nor sleep. The entire universe is engaged in fulfilling His Plan. Who is there who can intercede with Him unless it be in accordance with His Laws. Allah Almighty knows the past and present of all people and no one can partake of his knowledge except through the method prescribed by Him. Allah Almighty’s Authority encompasses the entire universe which He maintains untiringly. His Power extends from the lowest to the highest level of His Creation. (Allama GA Pervez)  
 
Here is what we learn from the above translation.  
 
1. There is only one Supreme Authority, i.e. Allah Almighty.  
2. His authority encompasses entire universe.  
3. He does not get tired maintaining the universe.  
 
Do not the above contradict Brother Moazzam’s interpretations? This verse clearly shows that Allah’s authority encompasses entire universe and He does not get tired maintaining it. This verse alone proves Allah’s involvement in the entire universe.
 
 
Moazzam: In verses 255 the attributes of Islamic state (divine state) “MUMLEKAT E KHUDA DAD” has been described.  
 
I hope he did not mean Pakistan. Our Mullah and Mulvi call it “MUMLEKAT E KHUDA DAD”.  
 
On one hand we are told that the scriptures do not mention any future event. Hence, Moazzam and his followers reject the statements of both Old and New Testament that foretell the coming of Prophet Muhammad. Now we are being told the verse 2:55 talks about Islamic State, not Allah Almighty. Where is this Islamic State? Why would Quran mention something that does not exist? If you mean some day human knowledge will encompass the entire universe and they will set up Islamic State with same power and authority attributed to Allah Almighty, then it is clearly a future event. But you do not believe Quran or Bible ever talk about any future event. Is not this a clear contradiction?

Comments by: Nargis On 14 June 2011Report Abuse
(Sure, you can turn on TV by pressing the “on” button. What do you do when it malfunctions? Have you seen TVs or computers evolving by themselves? Who has been improving the TVs and Computers and making them better and better? Of course, the inventors are doing it. Likewise, our universe and everything in it is evolving. And Allah Almighty is in charge of this ongoing evolution. Zubair)  
 
YOUR MAJESTY: - Dear brother, do you mean to say that God is personally constructing the evolution and it’s not happening through the laws? Is evolution not a process?  
 
But they also claim The Creator is no longer involved in the affairs of our universe. He simply disappeared leaving the universe at the mercy of the laws. Is this true?  
 
YOUR MAJESTY:- isn’t it true that the laws are established and we are working through them? You didn’t answer my question, have you seen God interfere directly in the Universe? Can you show us any findings from scientists who have seen God being busy in doing stuff in the Universe?  
 
Do you see who is proclaiming to be an atheist? Who is denying the existence of The Creator or His involvement in the universe? Zubair: If so, these laws must be empowered with Consciousness, same like humans. But consciousness requires a brain to function. Do these laws possess brains like humans?  
 
YOUR MAJESTY: - He didn’t say he is atheist, read again and you will hopefully see what he was referring to when he said "yes it’s true". Do you not understand the difference between "Denying the existence of the Creator" and "involvement in the universe"? Do i need to quote Moazzam again or are you willing to read his post again?  
Moazzam: The brainy human is also the part of this universe.  
 
Why Moazzam did not answer my second question? The fact is laws do not come with brains or consciousness. They do not function on their own. Someone has to enforce them. Whoever created these laws is also responsible for their enforcement.  
 
YOUR MAJESTY: - He did answer your question, you didn’t get it. Who said the laws need brain when they are designed to operate without it? So the human beings don’t need the direct involvements of the Creator because they have a brain? I think you do understand when it is said that the Creator does not interfere personally because everything is regulated by laws. If a seed i bad, then its constructed that way, if it’s good, it’s constructed like that.  
 
 
Here is what we learn from the above translation.  
1. There is only one Supreme Authority, i.e. Allah Almighty.  
2. His authority encompasses entire universe.  
3. He does not get tired maintaining the universe.  
Do not the above contradict Brother Moazzam interpretations? This verse clearly shows that Allah’s authority encompasses entire universe and He does not get tired maintaining it. This verse alone proves Allah’s involvement in the entire universe.  
 
the verse is clear; I can only suggest that you read it again. Difference in your belief system and our perception is that you think the creator is directly involved all the time but not when it comes to humans who have consciousness. Am I right?That's the big difference between the mullahs and Quranists. Mullahs try to say that the Creator or his spirit is to come intervene personally in affairs related to this world, and it’s involved in everything.  
 
If you really believe that the creator's “hand” is involved in the nature directly, then I wonder if you have ever wondered, HOW can the Creator give us more power than himself, that we are able to cut off a tree, or take a piece of wood from his creation, (which is under the Creators protection/hand, direct involvement) how can we, weak human being, use the pieces from the nature which is under the protection of the Creator? Not only that, we can use it for whatever purpose we would like to, we can even kill someone with it…  
 
This means that we, with our consciousness are more powerful than the creator, even when he is directly involved in protecting the universe? We can starve children, oppress the people, by “hijacking” his food/nourishment  
Which is under his constant protection?  
 
It means that our consciousness is bigger than……?  
 
Which is not possible, let’s forget about Muhammad Asad translation and use that of allama Parwez  
 
The entire universe is engaged in fulfilling His Plan. who is there who can intercede with Him unless it is in accordance with His Laws?  
 
Can you now see what is meant with Allah in this verse now?  
 
Whenever super natural spiritual involvement of the Creator is mentioned, I recognize mullaism. If the Universe is not working according to his initiated plan and laws, then there would be no purpose for him to regulate and limit us to them, we could control them and ask for his help whenever needed.  
 
This is a question to the leading belief of those who say the Creator is directly involved AFTER he sat his laws….  
 

Comments by: Nargis2 On 14 June 2011Report Abuse
On one hand we are told that the scriptures do not mention any future event. Hence, Moazzam and his followers reject the statements of both Old and New Testament that foretell the coming of Prophet Muhammad. Now we are being told the verse 2:55 talks about Islamic State, not Allah Almighty. Where is this Islamic State? Why would Quran mention something that does not exist? If you mean some day human knowledge will encompass the entire universe and they will set up Islamic State with same power and authority attributed to Allah Almighty, then it is clearly a future event. But you do not believe Quran or Bible ever talk about any future event. Is not this a clear contradiction?  
 
YOUR MAJESTY:-  
 
Where is this state? Where is Allah Allmighty with his might when children are starved, women raped and weaker people opressed, even though he is directly interfering all the time according to you?  
 
To give an order to establish a state, and providing information about its effects when established, is not prediction, but well calculated knowledge  
 
I’m sure that if you really want to and try hard; you will understand the difference between  
 
“Messiah and Imam Mahdi will come again one day near the day of judgment”  
 
And  
 
“The establishment of a just system of equality for all human beings will result in joy and harmony?
 

Comments by: dawood On 14 June 2011Report Abuse
Dear Brs. and Srs: Please allow me to share my two cents on this.  
 
We can only comprehend Allah through his creations. His creations are the product of his decision(s), and unchanging laws and processes. Therefore, His creations are always subject to these laws, and nothing can ever escape His laws.  
 
The question arises: Did He establish these laws, say xxxx Trillion…Billion years ago, and done with them? 2:117 may provide a clue. The second part of this verse, according to Dr. QZ, is in present continuous tense. It could mean anyone of the following or all of them: (i) His previous laws are operative continuously, hence we see His creations continuously changing or evolving; (ii) He is busy, as always, creating further creations through new laws; and (iii) or creating new laws that are operative on previous laws to either manage the previous creation or give it a new shape, etc…. Similar sense may also be inferred from the last part of 51:47. To my humble understanding none of us can prove with certainty that all of these are not true. Therefore, the picture that emerges is of an entity that, though beyond our comprehension, is continuously managing His majestic kingdom through his unchanging laws.  
 
Further, have a look at the last part of 2:29: It states that “…because He has the knowledge of everything,” according to Dr. QZ. This part could be interpreted as (i) He has the knowledge of everything because He knows how things would end up as per His laws, and (ii) He is continuously monitoring everything. Can anyone say with 100% objective certainty which one of the above is true or false? Same sense could be inferred in 3:5, 3:29 and so on.  

Comments by: pervez On 15 June 2011Report Abuse
Dear brother Saeed,  
 
You have posted a question related to the same aspect also. Please see my comments there.  
http://www.aastana.com/blog/aastanablog.asp?OPT=ADDCOMMENTS&MID=2&SID=47&QID=1377#AddComments

Comments by: Nargis-Badshah-Salamat On 15 June 2011Report Abuse
and i wonder, is science brought in to explain the Quran again like it was once tried for life after death thingy? I mean, does the word Allah mean something according to science and the findings there and not given a meaning through the book its used in? I hope history and science is kept out and the Quran is looked into only through its own words and grammar ? its like ill write a book of medicine but its only half explained, when people do things and make history or discover science, then it is to be understood , duuh  

Comments by: aurangzaib On 15 June 2011Report Abuse
Dear Badshah Salamat,  
 
I did not want to enter into this thread presently. But it is necessary to give a short answer to your reference about science and history.  
 
Science was very successfully brought in to prove the existence of Allah, The Absolute Consciousness. And it was not allowed to bring Science in to prove LIFE AFTER DEATH.  
 
There are some people who claim to "Believe in Life After Death" and still claim that it is not mentioned in Quran. For them it should have been feasible to let me prove Life After Death scientifically as it would have provided them some basis for their Belief in Life After Death.  
Right now, they just don't know why they have this Belief?  
When, according to them it is not mentioned in Quran, AND they don't wish Science to come in either, what is their source of Belief?  
Obviously, they should maintain a consistent policy and should not believe in something that Quran does not stipulate?  
I think They should be brave and refuse its existence out rightly.  
 
As for History, that is very important.  
It is only History that has given them QURAN to which they are so solemnly attached.  
Without history, they can find no roots of Quran. They won't know if it is from Allah; they won't know it was written by Messenger Mohammad; they have no proof of its authenticity, divine or otherwise, EXCEPT BY WAY OF HISTORY OR HISTORICAL CONTINUITY.  
So history is their only stand. They should not disregard or disrespect it.  
Quran is our most valuable HISTORICAL HERITAGE and History is very important as it is the only source that confirms Quran's status for the Muslims.  
 
History and Science both help us in proving Quran in modern times. In ancient times when human conscious values were on a much lower level, Quranic teachings were advocated more through personal credibility of the Messengers. Messengers had to refer the people to their characters and their past personal lives, such as :-  
 
Verse No.10/16:  
Fa Qad Labistu fi-kum 'Umran, a-fa-la ta'qiloon  
FOR THE REASON THAT I HAVE SPENT MY LIFE AMONG YOU, WOULD YOU NOT EXERCISE WISDOM.  
 
Just a piece of advice to keep the record straight. No offence meant.

Comments by: pervez On 15 June 2011Report Abuse
Dear brother Saeed,  
 
Sorry my post I referred to you above is missing there.  
 

Comments by: Zubair On 15 June 2011
Well said, Brother Aurangzaib. I agree with you. Both history and science are essential to understand life on this planet and its destiny. Both historians and scientists have done a marvelous job of discovering and preserving important data. Moreover, we now have tools to filter truth from falsehood.  
Now it is a proven scientific truth that data or information can never be destroyed. Hence, whatever happened on earth in the past is preserved. Thomas Edison was aware of this fact. In his later years, he was working on a device or machine that would retrieve this important data from our past. Unfortunately, he passed away before completing his project. Eventually, some day someone will be able to accomplish this task. Then, we will know all the truth from our past.
 

Comments by: Nargis-Badshah-Salamat On 15 June 2011Report Abuse
 
I did not want to enter into this thread presently. But it is necessary to give a short answer to your reference about science and history.  
 
Dear brother, I’m so glad you participated, that’s why I mentioned it too  
: -D
 
 
There are some people who claim to "Believe in Life after Death" and still claim that it is not mentioned in Quran.  
 
What is the connection between people's faith and Quraniq content? To my understanding it is like the contents of the Quran are independent of what general public think, assume or believe in. I don’t see the logical conclusion in  
 
“In view of the fact that I believe in life after death so it absolutely MUST be in the Quran”  
 
Many people believe in Santa Claus, so information about him must be in the Quran as well?
 
 
For them it should have been feasible to let me prove Life after Death scientifically as it would have provided them some basis for their Belief in Life after Death.  
 
Why? Those who believe it can believe in it as much as they want, and they've probably already have their reasons to believe in it .. Still it will not change the content of the Quran which was the whole point. We want to know what the Quran says, not what others assume or want it to says.  
 
Right now, they just don't know why they have this Belief?  
 
Well that’s their worries and upsets  
 
When, according to them it is not mentioned in Quran, AND they don't wish Science to come in either, what is their source of Belief?  
 
I don’t know, I saw many people had their arguments in some of the threads. But it is noble of you to be so terribly busy and still trying to prove something nobody has been able to do. Point was, to discuss it thorough the Quran, so everyone’s personal fantasies about paradise and life after death should be separated  
 
Obviously, they should maintain a consistent policy and should not believe in something that Quran does not stipulate?  
 
that’s oblivious to you, but I don’t understand how you can control someone’s belief? And if the Quran is used to shape beliefs and not be the base of pure knowledge, then what is the difference between that book and other “religious” books? Sometimes I think there is life at other planets, should I not think so because the Quran didn’t say so?  
 
As for History, that is very important.  
 
It is only History that has given them QURAN to which they are so solemnly attached.  
 
Definitely important, how did the history give us the Quran? What do you mean I don’t understand it really? Is the Quran a history book? And how is the history confirmed and verified?  
 
Without history, they can find no roots of Quran. They won't know if it is from Allah; they won't know it was written by Messenger Mohammad; they have no proof of its authenticity, divine or otherwise, EXCEPT BY WAY OF HISTORY OR HISTORICAL CONTINUITY.  
 
Ok so that’s what you meant. Now this is important. You and Zubair have been using words like blasphemy and atheists etc., which is all fine with me. But now you tell me the Quran is from Allah because HISTORY TOLD US and NOT BECAUSE OF ITS CONTENT?  
 
Dear brothers, the history verify something to be from Allah, but Allah’s own work failed to verify itself to be divine? Allah’s own message can’t prove itself and its origin, but MANMADE history can?  
 
Then why are you guys looking for life after death confirmations through the book and not history? Oh, my bad, you did. No that was science…
 
 
So history is their only stand. They should not disregard or disrespect it.  
 
What do you refer to when you say history, hadith books? Doesn’t matter, which history book is 100 % precise and endorses every claim you made above? What proof did the history give us about the prophet Mohammed? What did the Quran say about him that was confirmed through the history? What do the Quran say about S Mohammed and what do the history say about s Mohammed? And what history CONFIRMED Quraniq content in relations to Abraham, Moses and Jesus? What history confirms Jesus was NOT son of Mary but a ghulam at institution Mariam? What history book confirms jibreel being the Quran and not angel flying down from heaven?  
 
Quran is our most valuable HISTORICAL HERITAGE and History is very important as it is the only source that confirms Quran's status for the Muslims.  
 
How and what Muslims?  
 
History and Science both help us in proving Quran in modern times. In ancient times when human conscious values were on a much lower level, Quraniq teachings were advocated more through personal credibility of the Messengers. Messengers had to refer the people to their characters and their past personal lives, such as:-  
 
So they blindly believed in what the prophet said, and the prophet knew about every discovery made by scientist later and every historical event to occur in the future? Still he had the spirit to ask others for PROOFS 2:111? Still he asked people to use their senses, what is it to use when it is to blindly believe? I’m sure you have seen a blind believer and how he “uses” his senses…  
 
Verse No.10/16:  
Fa Qad Labistu fi-kum 'Umran, a-fa-la  
FOR THE REASON THAT I HAVE SPENT MY LIFE AMONG YOU, WOULD YOU NOT EXERCISE WISDOM.  
 
Great, isn’t wisdom (ta'qiloon) implemented to achieve knowledge? Should the use of taqaloun lead to gain knowledge about the provided substance from the prophet? What exactly is the prophet referring to when he ask them to exercise wisdom?

Comments by: moazzam On 16 June 2011
Dear Aastana members. THE SENSE OF QURANIC TERMINOLOGY “ALYOUM”  
Verse 45/28 رَى كُلَّ أُمَّةٍ جَاثِيَةً كُلُّ أُمَّةٍ تُدْعَى إِلَى كِتَابِهَا الْيَوْمَ تُجْزَوْنَ مَا  
كُنتُمْ تَعْمَلُونَ  
 
Verse 57/15  
فَالْيَوْمَ لَا يُؤْخَذُ مِنكُمْ فِدْيَةٌ وَلَا مِنَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا مَأْوَاكُمُ النَّارُ هِيَ مَوْلَاكُمْ وَبِئْسَ الْمَصِيرُ  
Verse 36/65  
الْيَوْمَ نَخْتِمُ عَلَى أَفْوَاهِهِمْ وَتُكَلِّمُنَا أَيْدِيهِمْ وَتَشْهَدُ أَرْجُلُهُمْ بِمَا كَانُوا يَكْسِبُونَ  
 
Verse 40/17  
الْيَوْمَ تُجْزَى كُلُّ نَفْسٍ بِمَا كَسَبَتْ لَا ظُلْمَ الْيَوْمَ إِنَّ اللَّهَ سَرِيعُ الْحِسَابِ  
See the verses 45/34-35, 46/19-20 these verses also providing the sense of الْيَوْمَ (TIME OF MAKAFAT E AMAL)as an accountability day(when Islamic state became in to being)  
Verse 10/92 The time of Makafat e amal of FIRAON has been described as  
فَالْيَوْمَ نُنَجِّيكَ بِبَدَنِكَ لِتَكُونَ لِمَنْ خَلْفَكَ آيَةً وَإِنَّ  
كَثِيرًا مِّنَ النَّاسِ عَنْ آيَاتِنَا لَغَافِلُونَ  
 
LET US ANALYZE THE PORTION OF VERSE UNDER QUESTION (quoted by Aurangzaib) ie الْيَوْمَ أَكْمَلْتُ لَكُمْ دِينَكُمْ وَأَتْمَمْتُ عَلَيْكُمْ نِعْمَتِي وَرَضِيتُ لَكُمُ الْإِسْلاَمَ دِينً  
To comprehend the sense of this part of the verse 5/3 at least the relevant portion was suppose to tak ie الْيَوْمَ يَئِسَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ مِن دِينِكُمْ فَلاَ تَخْشَوْهُمْ وَاخْشَوْنِ الْيَوْمَ أَكْمَلْتُ لَكُمْ دِينَكُمْ وَأَتْمَمْتُ عَلَيْكُمْ نِعْمَتِي وَرَضِيتُ لَكُمُ الْإِسْ  
لاَمَ دِينً  
In fact we have to read the Surah e Maida from start to 5/7 focus attention at this part of the verse 5/5  
الْيَوْمَ أُحِلَّ لَكُمُ الطَّيِّبَاتُ وَطَعَامُ الَّذِينَ أُوتُواْ الْكِتَابَ حِلٌّ  
لَّكُمْ وَطَعَامُكُمْ حِلٌّ لَّهُمْ وَالْمُحْصَنَاتُ مِنَ الْمُؤْمِنَاتِ وَالْمُحْصَنَاتُ مِنَ الَّذِينَ أُوتُواْ الْكِتَابَ مِن قَبْلِكُمْ إِ  
When legislation stars in the establish Islamic state and the process of accountability stars then you achived the goal of الْيَوْمَ أَكْمَلْتُ لَكُمْ دِينَكُمْ وَأَتْمَمْتُ عَلَيْكُمْ نِعْمَتِي .  
Mind no last prophet has been discussed ,rather the achievement of goal(to establish the Islamic state at the basis of values provided in these verses is benn described.  

Comments by: moazzam On 16 June 2011
Dear Aastana mambers! A quranist believes that, Quran and Ayaat in the universe(laws/values of nature/universe) are the sole source to legislate the constitution of the Islamic state. The history has been the vitals source to devastate/ garble the DEEN E ISLAM, we are ordered to not intermingle the man written history (holy history called hadith) while interpreting the Quran. In fact religious history is/will/ had been "THE EMINENT THREAT" to DEEN E ISLAM.  

Comments by: Zubair On 16 June 2011
Dear Friends,  
 
Instead of sharing information and learning from each other, this debate has turned into a shooting match. Hence, this will be my last post on this thread.
 
 
Badshah Salamat: Where is this state? Where is Allah Allmighty with his might when children are starved, women raped and weaker people opressed, even though he is directly interfering all the time according to you?  
 
This is exactly the same argument atheists use to deny the existence of God.  
 
Of course all these atheists believe in the Almighty Laws. Stephen Hawking claims in the presence of the Law of Gravity there is no need for God to create the universe. The Almighty Gravity can do the job, i.e. create the universe and maintain it.  
 
I NEVER said God was interfering with our daily lives or affrairs. I have stated it over and over again in my posts on this forum that God Almighty is not coming down to interfere with our daily affairs. However, this does not mean The Creator disappeared or vanished from the scene as soon as the universe came into being. He is definitely INVOLVED in the Grand Scheme of our universe from Day One. Remember our universe consists of some 500 billions galaxies and each of them got at least 100 billion stars. There could be many more earths in these galaxies. Some of them pure hells while others perfect heavens depending on what kind of inhabitants live there.  
 
The universe will descend into chaos and disintegrate quickly as soon as The Creator abandons it. The laws will no longer exist or cease to function.  
 
WHY THE CREATOR DOES NOT INTERVENE IN OUR DAILY LIVES?  
 
We, humans, are highly intelligent creatures. Also, we enjoy the gift of free will. Now it is our choice whether to use our God given intelligence and free will wisely or arrogantly.  
 
The Creator placed us in a world that looks like a rough draft. It is our job to review, revise, and edit it and make any changes we deem necessary. For example, God gave us wheat. We turned it into many delicious products. God gave us cotton, wood, and iron. We used them to build beautiful clothes, furniture, buildings, and vehicles. We come into the world and encounter all kinds of diseases and problems. We have used our brains to prevent, cure, and even eliminate disease as well as tackle any problem we face. In brief this world is not perfect. But God Almighty has endowed us with “brains” that we can use to perfect the world.
 
 
Where is this state? I asked this question to our honorable Brother Moazzam because he used the term “MUMLEKAT E KHUDA DAD” (Divine State). Badshah Salamat threw my question back at me. Why?  
 
I NEVER accused anyone of blasphemy or atheism. I only pointed out that the stand Brother Moazzam had taken looked similar to atheists. These new brand of atheists acknowledge someone created this universe. But they deny The Creator is still alive or plays any role in maintaining the universe.  
 
Let me make it clear. I have no enmity against anyone, not even atheists. I only disagree. You do not have to be in total agreement with me to be my friend.
 

Comments by: Zubair On 16 June 2011
Dear Frineds,  
 
I did not realize the forum no longer offers “edit” option. Hence, I could not correct some errors. Here are some corrections.  
 
Some of them pure hells while others perfect heavens depending on their inhabitants.  
We used them to make beautiful clothes, furniture, buildings, and vehicles.  
You do not have to agree with me to be my friend.  

Comments by: dawood On 16 June 2011Report Abuse
Dear Br. Moazzam: Please refer to your posting of June 16 in which you discussed verses 5:3 onwards. Many of us are not familiar with the Arabic sentence structure and how one word in one part of the verse may link to another, etc. We, meaning people like me, are also somewhat skeptical of the existing translations, not that we know the language, rather it is due to the efforts of various translators to fit a particular meaning or general sense according to their thinking. Thus, we place a low confidence in them.  
 
You often quote in your postings about the “general sense” of a word used in a verse. Words in any language has different shades of meanings, the appropriate meaning(s) could only be brought out after looking at the context and the entire structure of the sentence(s). My concern is that the "general sense" that you talk about could be MISLEADING unless you provide a complete translation of a verse and as to how various words provide a linkage within a verse and with other verses. If you know the Arabic, please translate the entire verse(s) and how the "general sense" could be brought out. Otherwise, I am afraid we are using our best guesses; yours is better than mine, it is a guess nevertheless. As an example, I quote your inference "When legislation stars in the establish Islamic state and the process of accountability stars then you achived the goal of الْيَوْمَ أَكْمَلْتُ لَكُمْ دِينَكُمْ وَأَتْمَمْتُ عَلَيْكُمْ نِعْمَتِي .... (MOAZZAM)." Inferences could only be deduced after the facts are presented in some order, leading to that inference. The facts in this case are the true translations of the respective verse(s), keeping in view the context as well as the sentence structures.  

Comments by: moazzam On 16 June 2011
Dear Dawood! let me copy paste the G A Pervez translation of the verses I quoted in my post to define quranic term “ALYAUM”  
Remember this term means the timeperiod when islamic state establish in to being where accountibility (process of Makafat e amal) take place.Please go through the said post again to comprehend my inference at this issue.  
45/28. At that time you will see that erring nations would have lost their strength and would be kneeling down in humility. Each nation will be summoned to examine the account of their deeds. The result will appear before them and they shall be requited for all that they have done (19:68).  
57/15 (Moreover, you were also under the deception that in case of accountability, you would get away by paying some ransom.) Now you will see that ransom will be accepted neither from you nor from those who openly rebelled against and denied the Divine Laws. (Both of you fall in the same category.) Hence the ultimate refuge and abode for all of you is Jahannum. It is your only companion; and now you will see how awful your destination is!  
40/17 On that Day everyone will be fully requited for whatever one has done. No injustice will be done to any one and Allah's Law of Mukafat is very swift in evaluating (i.e. As has been said earlier, the accumulation of consequences starts as soon as the action takes place.)  
45/33. At that time their evil deeds will manifest themselves and they will be encircled by the very things they used to ridicule.  
45/34. They will be told, "Just like you ignored and became oblivious to this Day, today We will not care about you. (Just as you had ignored the fact that one day you will be answerable to your deeds, in the same way you will be deprived of the pleasures of life.) Your end is doom and destruction (of Jahannum) and no one can help you to get rid of this chastisement."  
46/ 19. Remember the absolute reality that according to the Law of Mukafat everyone will get full reward for their deeds; nothing less, nothing more. Every one of them will be assigned a position in accordance with his deeds. None will be shown any favour and no one will be wronged. This is Allah’s Law of Mukafat.  
46/20. When people (who deny Our Law of Mukafat) confront the destruction of Jahannum, they will be told, "You made enjoyment of worldly comforts and luxuries your sole aim of life. You exhausted yourself with these; and they all ended with your physical death. On the basis of this (wealth and status) and in your arrogance you glorified yourself on earth. You wanted greatness and rewards without doing any righteous deeds. That is why you chose other means and left the right path ordained by Us. Hence today you shall be requited with humiliating suffering.  
Translation of Verses 5/3-7(although almost orthodox pattern of translation,I not agree with),but presented to describe my stance of legislation)  
3 Allah has declared the following to be Har’am (2/173):  
1. carrion;  
2. flowing blood (6/146);  
3. the flesh of swine;  
4. that which has been dedicated to someone other than Allah;  
5. that which has been killed by strangling or by being gored;  
6. that which has been partly eaten by a wild beast unless you have slaughtered it properly before its death;  
7. that which has been sacrificed on altars;  
8. that which has been apportioned by means of divining arrows (a superstitious custom amongst the Mushrikeen at that time), as such things would take you away from the right path.  
However, if one is faced with a situation when he can find nothing else to eat except the above, and his life is threatened, then he can partake of what has been declared Har’am provided he is driven to it by starvation and not out of greed or the desire to violate the Divine Laws (2/173).  
Your adversaries who had rejected your Deen have now given up hope of reaching any compromise with you. The will confront you openly now. Do not be afraid of them. Your ascendancy over them has been completely established and thus Allah has bestowed His full blessings upon you and Islam has been assigned for you, as your Deen, so there is no need for fear or compromise. You should only fear the consequences of disobeying Allah’s Laws. And most certainly Allah is the Protector and the Raheem.  
4 People ask you, O Rasool, what is made lawful for them. Tell them that excepting what is Har’am, all pleasant things are Hal’al. You can also eat the flesh of animals seized by your beasts of prey whom you have trained by means of the capability given to you by Allah. You must pronounce the name of Allah over these animals and thus take good care of Laws of Allah Who is swift in reckoning.  
5 To reiterate: Excepting that which has been declared to be Har’am, you may partake everything else which is good and pleasant for you. Also lawful for you is the food prepared by those who were given the Book (provided it does not contain that which is prohibited to you and if they also partake of your food).  
Chaste and Momin women are lawful for you in marriage and also chaste women from amongst the people who were given the Book before you, provided you give them their dower and marry them for the purpose of leading a conjugal life and not for the mere satisfaction of your lust. Do not have a secret relationship with (4/25). Those who do so exchange Deen for Kufr. All their actions are rendered waste and in the Hereafter they will be the losers.  
6 O Jama’at-ul-Momineen, at the time of Sal’at wash your faces and your hands and arms up to the elbows and pass your (wet) hands lightly over your head and wash your feet up to the ankles. If you have cohabited with your wives then take a full bath. If you cannot wash yourself due to sickness when water is harmful to you or when you are on a journey or have returned from a call of nature or have touched a woman, and water is not available, in these cases you can clean yourselves by using soil and wiping your hands and face (4/43).  
Allah does not want to impose hardships upon you. His intentions is only to keep you in a clean state so that He can bestow the full measure of His Blessings upon you and your efforts may fructify.  
7 Keep in mind the blessings bestowed on you by Allah and the covenant made with Him by you, saying “We have heard and we will obey.” Therefore, fulfil your covenant by adhering to the Laws of Allah. Allah’s Law of Mukaf’at is aware even of what is harboured within you.  

Comments by: Nargis2 On 16 June 2011Report Abuse
Instead of sharing information and learning from each other, this debate has turned into a shooting match. Hence, this will be my last post on this thread.  
 
I’m sorry if you feel it this way  
 
This is exactly the same argument atheists use to deny the existence of God.  
 
Opps, i didnt know, do the have the same intention aswell ?:P  
 
I tried to answer through a “parable” to make clear that what you have need of from a state, (which cannot occur all by itself but as a result of human effort), is not fulfilled by the “feature” you have in mind in reference to “Allah”  
 
If we read through the verses where Allah is mentioned and the properties attributed to “Allah” We can sense that these qualities are not seen through direct intervention from the Creator. But they can be enforced in a State when established as a result of hard work and effort from human beings.  
 
4:170….. to Allah belongs whatever is in the heavens and earth. And ever are Allah Knowing and Wise.  
 
If Allah is the creator, we KNOW that he KNOW, if he planted wisdom in the Universe, we know he is WISE. If we DONT believe in the Creator, then it’s pointless to inform us about this, if already follow the Quran, then again it’s pointless to ensure us about these qualities. So what is it actually being said? Please ponder  
 
*We learned that Divine revelation is high values which are السما, and from that السما many orders are created, I.E سبع سماوات  
So Allah has all the orders…then it said He is Knowing and Wise  
 
*What is it on planet earth that SEES and HEARS based on knowledge?  
 
*What is it on planet earth that has the authority to ORDER something?  
 
*What on planet earth is wise and knowing, based on provided knowledge which operates as eyes and ears so wisdom in its respective essence can be executed?  
 
Now the readers can answer these questions in their mind, or they can coockli mockli about me being a blasphemous atheist, ha-ha  
 
The point is, If Allah mean something else in the Quran than what have been imagined for centauries (Like Hajj, soum, salaat etc.), it does not mean the creator doesn’t exist or he is denied.  
 
The very first aya with our observing man said every hamd is for the sustainer; the very first aya begins with the importance of sustaining. Rest of the Book is a reply to our man, and thus an instruction to institute a source of maintaining everyone equally.  
Our man in sura Fateha got the idea from the creator who sustain and maintain the universe, so there he wants a similar system for himself.  
 
An antelope does not go to the lion and ask if it can be his dinner; the lion (ess) making an effort to provide for himself.  
Similarly humans have to do the same; they have to make an effort to establish the desired state and source of nourishment, which is exactly like the “original” one in the nature, which is to provide prosperity, happiness freedom and equality to its inhabitants.  
 
There is no reason to be emotional and bawl that things are not consistent with what one had imagined.  
We are here to learn and the old translations are rejected in order to see the true message, if we disagree, we have to or should provide our arguments.  
 
So where is this state?  
 
In our pocket, or its instructions are in our keeping, we have to work hard to UNDERSTAND it firstly, and then make an effort to establish it. If its qualities are not seen in the society, it is not the Quran or the States fault, it is but a lack in our efforts  
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But if Allah is the creator, who doesn’t need to be established so his qualities are carried out, then where is he at all times when he is needed? The state is not there yet, but the creator is, where are those qualities in action as indicated in the Quran for the creator?  
 
It is obvious that the creator is doing his job, but we are not doing ours, because we have a book of human rights, its instructions command us to implement its rules, but we are not.  
 
 
 
 
Where is this state? I asked this question to our honorable Brother Moazzam because he used the term “MUMLEKAT E KHUDA DAD” (Divine State). Badshah Salamat threw my question back at me. Why?  
 
Because i thought you would understand the parable. when you have time, go through our discussins and see if there is any question you havnt answered, or instead of answering if you gave me all the power and left the discussion? Look through this discussion and see if you have answered all the questions.  
 
Im not anyones enemy, i dont avoid disagreements,I don seek agreements, i dont look for cheer leaders, Only thing about me is, im NEVER afraid of words, bring it on
 
 
Dear brother, im sure you have read  
 
2:7  
 
خَتَمَ اللَّهُ عَلَىٰ قُلُوبِهِمْ وَعَلَىٰ سَمْعِهِمْ ۖ وَعَلَىٰ أَبْصَارِهِمْ غِشَاوَةٌ ۖ وَلَهُمْ عَذَابٌ عَظِيمٌ  
انکے اذھان اورسوچ پر قوانین قدرت نے مہر لگا دی ہے ۔ اور ان کی بصیرت پر پردہ ہے اور ان کے لئے ایک عظیم عذاب ہے۔  
 
 
مباحث:۔  
دل سے مراد سینے میں موجود دل نہیں ہے بلکہ انسان کی سوچ بچار کی صلاحیت ہے، کان سے مراد دوسرے کی بات سننا اور دیکھنے سے مراد مشاہدہ ہے۔  
 
2:9  
يُخَادِعُونَ اللَّهَ وَالَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَمَا يَخْدَعُونَ إِلَّا أَنفُسَهُمْ وَمَا يَشْعُرُونَ  
 
 
یہ مملکت خداداد اور اہل امن کو دھوکہ دیتے ہیں لیکن یہ توصرف اپنے ہی لوگوں کو دھوکہ دیتے ہیں اور یہ بے شعور ہیں۔  
 
2:10  
 
فِي قُلُوبِهِم مَّرَضٌ فَزَادَهُمُ اللَّهُ مَرَضًا ۖ وَلَهُمْ عَذَابٌ أَلِيمٌ بِمَا كَانُوا يَكْذِبُونَ  
ان کے اذھان میں مرض ہے بس قدرت نے ان کے مرض کو بڑھایا اور ان کےجھٹلانے کے سبب ان کے لئے دردناک عذاب ہے۔  
 
2:15  
 
اللَّهُ يَسْتَهْزِئُ بِهِمْ وَيَمُدُّهُمْ فِي طُغْيَانِهِمْ يَعْمَهُونَ  
قدرت نے ان کے مذاق کی تدبیر کی ہے اور اندھوں کی طرح ان کو سرکشی میں چھوڑ دیا ہے۔  
 
 
مباحث:۔  
کسی کی سازش یا چال کو بے ضرر بنانے کے عمل کو مشاکلہ کہتے ہیں ۔لفظ مشاکلہ باب مفاعلہ سے ہے ۔اس باب سے بنے الفاظ میں دو اشخاص یا دو گروہوں کے  
درمیان ایک دوسرے سے نبرد آزما ہونے کی کیفیت پائی جاتی ہے ۔مثلاّ مجاہدہ ،مقابلہ ۔  
 
جہاں جہاں ایسی عبارت نظر آئے گی جہاں کسی شخص کے عمل کے مقابلے میں اس جیسے عمل کے ذریعےاس عمل کو ناکارہ بنایا جائے تو اصلاّ اس کے غلط عمل کی اصلاح اور اس کے غلط اثرات کو ختم کرنا مقصود ہوتا ہے ۔  
 
2:36  
فَأَزَلَّهُمَا الشَّيْطَانُ عَنْهَا فَأَخْرَجَهُمَا مِمَّا كَانَا فِيهِ ۖ وَقُلْنَا اهْبِطُوا بَعْضُكُمْ لِبَعْضٍ عَدُوٌّ ۖ وَلَكُمْ فِي الْأَرْضِ مُسْتَقَرٌّ وَمَتَاعٌ إِلَىٰ حِينٍ  
 
 
پس شیطانی تصورات و خیالات نےبہکایا اور ان دونوں کو اس حیثیت سے نکلوا دیا جس میں وہ تھے۔اور ہم نے کہا "جا ؤا ب تم اس پستی کی زندگی میں بعض بعض کے دشمن بن کے رہو اور تمہارے لئے اس مملکت میں ایک مدت تک رہنا اور فائدہ اٹھانا ہوگا"۔  
 
 
مباحث:۔  
قرآن کے فہم میں متکلم کے صیغوں کی وجہ سے کافی دشواری کا سامنا رہا ہے ۔ لیکن اگر آیت کے سیاق و سباق میں جاکر دیکھیں تو معلوم ہو جاتا ہے کہ کون بات کر  
،اور کس کے متعلق بات ہو رہی ہے ۔  
 
 
 
دوسری اہم بات کہ" اللہ " کا لفظ جہاں جہاں آیا ہے وہاں وہاں ۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔قدرت ۔۔قوانین قدرت ۔۔مملکت خداداد۔۔ یا اس کے ذیلی ادارے مراد ہیں ۔  
 

Comments by: dawood On 16 June 2011Report Abuse
Dear Br. Moazzam: You have confused me further. Thank God, I reread Dr. QZ's HALAL-o-HARAM and found out what verses 5:1-7 may mean. Anyone interested can read pages 9-10 of this book. Anyway, thank you.

Comments by: moazzam On 17 June 2011
Dear Dawood ! I just provided the translation of G A Pervez with the comments as "Translation of Verses 5/3-7(although almost orthodox pattern of translation,I not agree with),but presented to describe my stance of legislation) .

Comments by: moazzam On 17 June 2011
Dear Dawood Bhai! Dawood! Please refer to your posting of June 16 in which you discussed verses 5:3 onwards. Many of us are not familiar with the Arabic sentence structure and how one word in one part of the verse may link to another.  
Moazzam! Yes it might easy if you know Arabic, but never mind I will consider it now.Thanks  
Dawood! You often quote in your postings about the “general sense” of a word used in a verse. Words in any language has different shades of meanings, the appropriate meaning(s) could only be brought out after looking at the context and the entire structure of the sentence(s).  
Moazzam!Yes you are right, I also observe the same practice, it is requested to participants kindly correct me if you find any wrong.  
Dawood! My concern is that the "general sense" that you talk about could be MISLEADING unless you provide a complete translation of a verse and as to how various words provide a linkage within a verse and with other verses. If you know the Arabic, please translate the entire verse(s) and how the "general sense" could be brought out.  
Moazzam! Although I know Arabic well, even then I do hesitate to translate the quranic verses.  
In fact I want to write the verse as it is in Arabic form ,so that the quranic research worker who know the Arabic language ,may extract the true sense while observing the context of the verse and by tasreef alayat, as I usually do.  
Dawood! Otherwise, I am afraid we are using our best guesses; yours is better than mine, it is a guess nevertheless  
Moazzam! The best guess amongst all others would be accepted, this is the true sprite to understand Quran by each other.  
.Dawood! As an example, I quote your inference "When legislation starts in the establish Islamic state(the welfare human rights based) and the executions of accountability process take place, then you achieved the goal of الْيَوْمَ أَكْمَلْتُ لَكُمْ دِينَكُمْ وَأَتْمَمْتُ عَلَيْكُمْ نِعْمَتِي .... (MOAZZAM)."  
Inferences could only be deduced after the facts are presented in some order, leading to that inference. The facts in this case are the true translations of the respective verse(s), keeping in view the context as well as the sentence structures.  
Moazzam! You are right, In stead of translation I normally write Arabic text in the same manner as it is , so that there should no doubt be remained at all..  

Comments by: dawood On 17 June 2011Report Abuse
Dear Brs. and Srs: What is the definition of urdu word QUDRAT? Thanks.

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