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TRANSLATION OF QURAN
BY DR. QAMAR ZAMAN
Translation Status
آیات
سورۃ
نمبر
1-7 الفَاتِحَة -1
1-286 البَقَرَة -2
1-200 آل عِمرَان -3
1-176 النِّسَاء -4
1-120 المَائدة -5
1-165 الاٴنعَام -6
1-206 الاٴعرَاف -7
1-75 الاٴنفَال -8
1-129 التّوبَة -9
1-109 یُونس -10
1-123 هُود -11
1-111 یُوسُف -12
1-43 الرّعد -13
1-52 إبراهیم -14
1-99 الحِجر -15
1-128 النّحل -16
1-111 بنیٓ اسرآئیل / الإسرَاء -17
1-110 الکهف -18
1-98 مَریَم -19
1-135 طٰه -20
1-112 الاٴنبیَاء -21
1-78 الحَجّ -22
1-118 المؤمنون -23
1-64 النُّور -24
1-77 الفُرقان -25
1-227 الشُّعَرَاء -26
1-93 النَّمل -27
1-88 القَصَص -28
1-69 العَنکبوت -29
1-60 الرُّوم -30
1-34 لقمَان -31
1-30 السَّجدَة -32
1-73 الاٴحزَاب -33
1-54 سَبَإ -34
1-45 فَاطِر -35
1-83 یسٓ -36
1-182 الصَّافات -37
1-88 صٓ -38
1-75 الزُّمَر -39
1-85 المؤمن / غَافر -40
1-54 حٰمٓ السجدة / فُصّلَت -41
1-54 القَمَر -54
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TRANSLATION OF QURAN
SURA AL-BAQRA
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Dear Dr. Qamar, I want to ask you a question regarding 2/222. Please explain
Add Your Comments  Question by: WASEEMAMEER On 23 August 2011
Comments by: waseemameer On 23 August 2011Report Abuse
وَيَسْأَلُونَكَ عَنِ الْمَحِيضِ ۖ قُلْ هُوَ أَذًى فَاعْتَزِلُوا النِّسَاءَ فِي الْمَحِيضِ ۖ وَلَا تَقْرَبُوهُنَّ حَتَّىٰ يَطْهُرْنَ ۖ فَإِذَا تَطَهَّرْنَ فَأْتُوهُنَّ مِنْ حَيْثُ أَمَرَكُمُ اللَّهُ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ يُحِبُّ التَّوَّابِينَ وَيُحِبُّ الْمُتَطَهِّرِينَ  
اور لوگ تم سے خون ریزی کے بارے میں دریافت کریں گے ، کہہ دو کہ وہ توایذاء ا ورتکلیف ہےاس لئے کمزور لوگوں پر خون ریزی کے معاملےمیں خونریزی سے علیحدگی اختیار کرو۔ اور جب تک وہ غیر الہی احکامات سے اپنے آپ کو علیحدہ نہ کرلیں ان سے تعلقات قائم نہ کرنا ۔ البتہ جب غیر الہی احکامات سے پاک ہوجائیں تو جس طرح احکامات الہی میں ارشاد فرمایا ہے ان کے پاس جاؤ۔ کچھ شک نہیں کہ اللہ کی مملکت توبہ کرنے والوں اور غیر الہی احکامات سے پاک صاف لوگوں کو محبوب رکھتا ہے۔  
 
مباحث:۔  
اس آیت میں لفظ الْمَحِيضِ آیا ہے ۔اس کا مادہ ح ی ض ہے۔ علامہ رشید نعمانی لکھتے ہیں ۔۔۔"یہ ظرف زمان ۔(وقت حیض ) ظرف مکان (مقام حیض ) اور مصدر (حیض آنا ) یا بمعنی حیض یعنی وہ فاسد خون جو مخصوص زمانے اور مخصوص حالت میں تندرست ،جوان غیر حاملہ عورت کے رحم سے نکلتا ہے ۔" (لغات القرآن ،جلد پنجم صفحہ ۳۳۲)  
محیض جیسا کہ علامہ صاحب نے فرمایا "اسم ظرف "ہے جس کا مطلب ہوا کہ سوال حیض کی جگہ یا وقت سے متعلق نہیں ہے ورنہ سوال بھی بے محل ہے اور جواب بھی بے محل۔  
اب رہا سوال کہ کیا لفظ المحیض کو بطور مصدری معنوں میں لیا جائے تو بھی جواب نفی میں ہے۔عورت کےخاص ایام میں جو کیفیت ہوتی ہے اس سے متعلق سوال کیا جائے گا ؟ ۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔جی نہیں ۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔کیونکہ جواب بتا رہا ہےکہ یہ عورت کی اس کیفیت سے متعلق نہیں ہے۔ جواب دیا گیا قُلْ هُوَ أَذًى (کہو کہ یہ ایذاء ہے )۔  
یہ ایک ایسا دو ٹوک بیان ہے جس میں کسی شک کی کوئی گنجائش نہیں۔۔۔۔۔۔۔لیکن کیا یہ بیان حقیقت پر مبنی ہے ۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔اگر تو اس کی تصدیق ہوتی ہے تو یہ ترجمہ حتمی ہے ورنہ اس ترجمے میں خامی ہے ۔۔۔۔۔ حالت حیض میں کچھ عورتوں کو یقینا تکلیف ہوتی ہے لیکن یہ اصول نہیں ہے۔ ہر ماں اپنی بچی کے لئے پریشان نظر آتی ہے کہ کہیں اس کی بچی کے کپڑے حیض کے خون سے نہ بھر جائیں اور اسے پتہ بھی نہ چلے۔ چند خواتین ہی ہوتی ہیں جو اس تکلیف کے لئے ڈاکٹروں سے علاج لیتی ہیں ؟ دوسری اہم بات کے یہ المحیض ہےیعنی معرف بالام ہے جس میں کسی خاص حیض کی بات ہو رہی ہے۔ اس لئے یہ آیت خواتین کی اس حالت کے متعلق جسے حیض کہا جاتا ہےقطعا نہیں ہے۔  
 
 
I understand the meaning of Al-maheez, but if Khoonraizi meaning is taken, than we are required to keep ourselves away from An nisaa which doesn't seem to be correct with the Quranic message. As in the case of Soum, the weaker segment of society was being humilitated by certain means and we were asked to stop it until the situation turns to new Alfajr.  
 
What i understand here that Al-maheez could be a situation, where weaker people(mentally) qurelling with each other on their ideolgoies and we are asked to be away from them until they get themselves out of that situation.  
 
In summary it is Idological Maheez not physical.  
 
Please comment

Comments by: moazzam On 23 August 2011
Dear WaseemAmeer!  
The context of the verse supporting the translation of الْمَحِيضِ as the situation of blood shed, not only the quarrelling with each other on their ideologies. The Islamic state owes the responsibility to make arrangements of their teaching, to bring them (nisaa) out of SHIRK (to make them tahir).This could only be possible to keep in close contact with them.  
If, they became TAHIR then you are allowed to get involved in agreements with them وَلَا تَقْرَبُوهُنَّ حَتَّىٰ يَطْهُرْنَ ۖ ( wala tunkiha Al mushrikaat hatta tumin wal amatyn khairan min mushrikatun)  

Comments by: waseemameer On 23 August 2011Report Abuse
Thanks Moazzam for anser  
 
It means not getting close to them is used in the sense of  
1. working with them  
2. making agreements with them  
3. other social/culturual activities with them

Comments by: moazzam On 23 August 2011
 
Dear WaseemAmeer! Salam,  
I think the ideological differences not certainly restrains to become Momin/Muslim with state or individual. Their submission/obedience to the state/society’s laws makes them Muslim. Mushrik is a man who follows the parallel commandments other than Divine/islamic state ( no matter what ideology he has).  

Comments by: Dr. Qamar Zaman On 23 August 2011
 
 
وَيَسْأَلُونَكَ عَنِ الْمَحِيضِ ۖ قُلْ هُوَ أَذًى فَاعْتَزِلُوا النِّسَاءَ فِي الْمَحِيضِ  
اور لوگ تم سے خون ریزی کے بارے میں دریافت کریں گے ، کہہ دو کہ وہ توایذاء ا ورتکلیف ہےاس لئے کمزور لوگوں پر خون ریزی کے معاملےمیں خونریزی سے علیحدگی اختیار کرو۔  
بنیادی طور پر یہ جنگ کی کیفیت کے دوران خونریزی سے متعلق حکم ہے ۔ اور کہا جا رہا ہے کہ جس وقت جنگ ہو رہی ہو جو کہ بذات خود ایک تکلیف دہ کیفیت ہے تو مومنین کی افواج کو اس بات کا خیال رکھنا ہوگا کہ وہ کمزور افراد جن کی جنگی حیثیت نہیں ہے بلکہ کمزور عوام کی حیثیت ہے (جیسے بوڈھے ،بچے عورتیں یا مریض یا بستیوں میں بسنے والے عوام وغیرہ )ان لوگوں سے اس جنگ کی کیفیت میں جو ان کے لئے ایزاء کا باعث ھو تی ہے دوری اختیار کریں ۔یہ حکم اس لئے نہیں دیا جا رہا کہ ہم ان سے قطع تعلق کریں بلکہ اس لئے دیا جارہا ہے کہ ہماری فوج جنگ کے دوران  
غلطی سے بھی انکو ایزا نہ پہنچائیں ۔  
 

Comments by: moazzam On 23 August 2011
Thank you Dr Qamarzaman. I agreed its ok

Comments by: dawood On 24 August 2011Report Abuse
Dear Dr. QZ and Moazzam, SA: I find the translation of 2:22 confusing for the following reason: first part of the verse "  
ور لوگ تم سے خون ریزی کے بارے میں دریافت کریں گے ، کہہ دو کہ وہ توایذاء ا ورتکلیف ہےاس لئے کمزور لوگوں پر خون ریزی کے معاملےمیں خونریزی سے  
علیحدگی اختیار کرو  
does not fit with the second part,  
البتہ جب غیر الہی احکامات سے پاک ہوجائیں تو جس طرح احکامات الہی میں ارشاد فرمایا ہے ان کے پاس جاؤ  
"۔۔اور جب تک وہ غیر الہی احکامات سے اپنے آپ کو علیحدہ نہ کرلیں ان سے تعلقات قائم نہ کرنا  
 
If the first part is talking about the Bloodshed, then naturally the second part should refer to the same situation, where as, the second part is referring to "ghair illahi ahkamaat sey pak hona." Can you elaborate on this, please.

Comments by: moazzam On 24 August 2011
Dear Dawood! To comprehend the sense of verse 2/222 you have to consolidate it with verse 2/221.  
وَلاَ تَنكِحُواْ الْمُشْرِكَاتِ حَتَّى يُؤْمِنَّ = وَلاَ تَقْرَبُوهُنَّ حَتَّى يَطْهُرْنَ  
 
وَلاَ تَقْرَبُوهُنَّ = don’t be involved in agreements with them.  
فَاعْتَزِلُواْ = To Avoid 4/90-91  
 
حَتَّى يَطْهُرْنَ = Till they becomes Momin  
 
And they ask you about bled shed ( in war-like situation). Say, it is surely, painful, so keep away from “nisaa” (be away from them) during this situation . And do not approach (involve to make agreement) them until they are pure (they becomes Momin). And when they have purified themselves (from shirk ie to leave obeying the parallel system against the Islamic ideological state) come to them (enter into agreements) from where (Alkitab) Allah has ordained for you. Indeed, Allah loves those who are constantly repentant and loves those who purify themselves (Becomes Momineen)."  

Comments by: dawood On 24 August 2011Report Abuse
Thanks, Br. Moazzam: let me rephrase it:  
"Moazzam: And they ask you about bled shed ( in war-like situation). Say, it is surely, painful, so keep away from “nisaa” (be away from them) during this situation ."  
 
First part is clear.  
 
"Moazzam: And do not approach (involve to make agreement) them until they are pure (they becomes Momin). And when they have purified themselves (from shirk ie to leave obeying the parallel system against the Islamic ideological state) come to them (enter into agreements) from where (Alkitab) Allah has ordained for you..."  
 
This part is confusing. First part talks about a bloodshed type situation in which the weaker segemnt of the society seems to be involved. Second part is asking not to establish contact/relationship with them until they purify themselves of non-Illahi ahkamaats? Is bloodshed in itself a non-illahi hukm? Why only weaker segment is mentioned here? Are people (muslim) free to establish contact/relationship with stronger segment of the society even when they are involved in the similar situation i.e. bloodshed?Any thoughts

Comments by: Nargis-Badshah-Salamat On 24 August 2011Report Abuse

 
I'll try to translate what Dr Uncle wrote in Urdu,hope it is correct, urdu is a bit difficult for me

وَيَسْأَلُونَكَ عَنِ الْمَحِيضِ ۖ قُلْ هُوَ أَذًى فَاعْتَزِلُوا النِّسَاءَ فِي الْمَحِيضِ  
اور لوگ تم سے خون ریزی کے بارے میں دریافت کریں گے ، کہہ دو کہ وہ توایذاء ا ورتکلیف ہےاس لئے کمزور لوگوں پر خون ریزی کے معاملےمیں خونریزی سے علیحدگی اختیار کرو۔  
بنیادی طور پر یہ جنگ کی کیفیت کے دوران خونریزی سے متعلق حکم ہے ۔ اور کہا جا رہا ہے کہ جس وقت جنگ ہو رہی ہو جو کہ بذات خود ایک تکلیف دہ کیفیت ہے تو مومنین کی افواج کو اس بات کا خیال رکھنا ہوگا کہ وہ کمزور افراد جن کی جنگی حیثیت نہیں ہے بلکہ کمزور عوام کی حیثیت ہے (جیسے بوڈھے ،بچے عورتیں یا مریض یا بستیوں میں بسنے والے عوام وغیرہ )ان لوگوں سے اس جنگ کی کیفیت میں جو ان کے لئے ایزاء کا باعث ھو تی ہے دوری اختیار کریں ۔یہ حکم اس لئے نہیں دیا جا رہا کہ ہم ان سے قطع تعلق کریں بلکہ اس لئے دیا جارہا ہے کہ ہماری فوج جنگ کے دوران  
غلطی سے بھی انکو ایزا نہ پہنچائیں ۔

And people will ask you about bloodshed, tell them in it is inflammation/ tenderness and pain. Because of that, in a situation of carnage, keep away from the bloodshed  
 
This order is mainly related to the bloodshed during a state of war. And the Momineens are being told that in the war, which in itself is a painful condition weaker segments, they must keep in mind that those who are unable to participate in the war but are the weak members of the society (Like old people, women, children, people who suffer from illness , civilians etc.) must be avoided  
 
This is because the weak segments must not even by mistake, be subjected to pain (whereas the war in itself is painful for them)


Comments by: Modudi On 25 August 2011Report Abuse
DAWOOD :-  
SA - BA - FA - MA or whatever!  
 
Three people are trying to explain a simple thing to you which is quiet visible to all others but It looks like you are not satisfied with any translation or explanation. Not even with what Dr. Qamar said, Not even what Moazzam said and not even what Nargis said.  
 
OK why don't you share your own interpretation so that we can understand the real sense of this verse???  
If you have any doubt then show us your tasreef for this verse and provide the correct sense of both parts.  
Go ahead and explain what you understood from this verse and it's context.  
 
Mind: It is very easy to criticize other people's efforts but it is very difficult to put in your own effort and do the work. Now will you kindly do some work and share your own understanding about 2/222 ???  
 
And please do not use any excuse to avoid this like Dhulqarnain does when he runs away :P  
 
JAZAAKALLAH  
MODUDI

Comments by: mmkhan20 On 25 August 2011Report Abuse
Dear All,  
I will try to put my understanding based on the explanations of the other members. Please correct me if I go wrong.  
 
Verse 2/222 is instructing the army of islamic state to check their targets, they have to be more cautious while in a war to avoid any unnecessary bloodshed of innocent civilians(weaker section as explained by Dr.Qamar sahab and Br Moazzam) as they are already going through difficult and painful situation. Also, do not take them (Weaker section) straight away in your islamic states as citizens because they may be following other systems which can be harmful. So, when they realize and purify themselves from the other systems which landed them into war and humiliation, come to them(for making agreement and providing peace and prosperity) as Allah has ordained you.

Comments by: moazzam On 25 August 2011
Brother Dawood! Your query that, " Is bloodshed in itself a non-illahi hukm?  
A: It depend at situation, some time it happened to exist, you can observe it at globe,in today's current situation.Read Surah Altobah/Al Anfaal.

Comments by: Junaid On 25 August 2011Report Abuse
Salaam;  
 
Brother Moazzam and all;  
 
I was pondering on the verse and it's interpretation and I was wondering what kind of a scenario has been described as war. Is this a typical kind of war in which armies from two or more nations fight in the name of religion or ideology based on the elements of greed and hatred?  
 
For example we can see many wars in the past, starting from ages of empires, till the holy crusades. Then there were wars like that we saw in history when Baghdad was stormed by Mongol armies. And later on the wars fought between English, Spanish, French and Portuguese explorers and non-developed nations. Finally the world war 1 and then World war 2 which could be considered as a modern wars and which has caused millions of deaths on the planet.  
As a matter of fact, World war 2 and the Nuclear bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki changed the entire concept of war and modern warfare weaponry.  
 
Please see this;  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki  
 
In short, the concept of war in today's modern world of 21st century is very different from that of the past, and due to advancement in the field of technology, the weapons of mass destruction has been created. Think about a nuclear weapon which can destroy millions of people in a city with its heat and radiation within minutes, without distinguishing between human beings on the basis of class, creed, race or gender.  
 
Also to be noted that many wars took place even after the World War 2 but those were mostly limited wars between two particular nations, and probably the most lethal ones were Iran Iraq war in 70s and 80s which claimed around millions of lives. We have also seen the Indo-Pak wars or Arab Israel wars which cause a limited damage comparatively. But then a new concept of warfare was born after the end of Cold war and a strong military alliance called NATO adopted the role of an Imperial army and started bombing different nations in the name of terrorism and extremism, albeit their real agenda was to create opportunities for their military industrial complexes and take control of the natural resources around the world. Obviously this is an entirely different scenario where one side is armed with the most modern warfare technology and uses most modern bombs and even depleted uranium and other chemical weapons to kill innocent civilians, while the other side is almost helpless, but we still call it a war anyway.  
 
I just read the comments by Brother Moazzam that
"you can observe it at globe,in today's current situation" and I realized that in current situation, due to the presence of Weapons of Mass Destruction, the scenario is totally different. These weapons cannot distinguish between stronger or weaker segments of a nation because today, in almost all the countries, the important military installations are situated within the cities or quite close to civilian populations. Distinguishing between unarmed civilians or the weaker segments of the societies was possible only during the times when the wars used to be fought with swords, arrows or spears and when armies used to ride on horses instead of using war planes and missiles.  
 
The point is that if an Islamic state gets created somehow and somewhere in this era, it will have no other choice but to acquire Nuclear weapons and other WMDs, in case war is being given such and importance in Quran. Please do remember that the oppositions are already equipped with most modern weapons including Nuclear and other lethal technologies. If War (which according to my limited understanding is a man-made concept) is described in Quran with such detail, then it should be considered as something very important and in that case it is imperative for an Islamic army to exist just like other nations have armies and it is also important for an Islamic army to posses nuclear and other lethal weapons plus an accurate delivery system in order to compete with the rogue nations and to survive.  
(Although I personally so not believe in the concept of a nation keeping a regular paid Armies or Mercenaries to defend it's boundaries because this idea does not fit in my calculations, rather the idea of state as a country also looks vague to me when I think about it's draw backs).  
 
Having said that, I would like to ask that if this thing called WAR is so important that Quran is talking about it, and that the instructions of Quran are considered applicable in all eras, then please tell me how this concept of staying away from weak and unarmed civilians would apply to the current warfare conditions?  
 
I have done a lot of investigation regarding wars, military and weaponry and after a thorough research, I have come to the conclusion that the thing we called Army is nothing but a bunch of trained killers having no feelings and they kill other people because it is what they are paid for, while the word war in today's world means nothing but a total destruction or annihilation.  
 
I would request the honorable members to kindly explain the following;
 
 
Why Quran is talking about war in such detail, when the word Islam reflects the concept of Peace?  
Isn't there an option through which we could achieve the goal of implementation and later on the growth of an Islamic state without being involved in wars?  
And in case if this word war is so important and un-avoidable then does these instructions regarding weaker or stronger segments apply to the current world as well?  
If yes then please explain how a modern aircraft flying thousands of meters above sea level will distinguish between weaker and stronger segments of a society?  
Also please explain how a nuclear bomb will distinguish between a stronger and a weaker segment of the society?
 
 
NOTE: The purpose of my question is not to criticize the translations of the verse, rather I am only interested to know how the instructions given in this particular verse under discussion will apply in today's modern warfare.  

Comments by: waseemameer On 25 August 2011Report Abuse
Brother Junaid  
very good pionts you raised. Today's advanced technologies doesn't differentiate between weaker sgement or strong segment, it effects everyone.  
I'd like to see Brother Moazzam reply as well Dr. Sahab's reply in this regard. Sister Nargis, your input will be appreciated as well.  
 
Not to forget the situation in Karachi these days; Everyone seems to be weaker; You worry about your dear ones everyday.

Comments by: moazzam On 25 August 2011
 
Dear Junaid! I appreciate your visionary approach. Alkitab has provided us universal value in the said verses which could be applied at wide visionary broad expects warfare at globe, same like socioeconomic Quranic principles could be applied by their experts in today’s complex system. In present scenario the experts could guide us its implementation at large.  
The Nabi e waqt will have to keep in his mind these tremendous on going socio politics/ socio economic and war fare changes. The demonstrating procedure never changes the eternal values, whether we implement in the on going integrated world (as a global village) OR the disintegrated world of the past.  
Remember, the recipe will remain same no matter the quantity, and heating techniques.  
2) We must keep in mind the true sense of Momin/Muslim( Tahir), it doesn’t mean belief rather the actions/deeds.  
3) It also be noted that “Nisaa” must be determined with their respective power in the scenario under question.  
I feel my self incapable to guide you properly the implementation of these verses in current scenario as you pointed out in your post.  

Comments by: Mubashir Syed On 25 August 2011Report Abuse
Dear Junaid and All, was wondering why it has to be PHYSICAL war between countries or people of different ideologies?  
 
A war like situation could be an Agitation/similar act against the corrupt Law of Nation/ A wrong law been introduced by state against the interest of citizens.  
 
Bloodshed could be turbulence occurring during agitations.  
 
Do not include weaker segment as they are already in misery/striving hard to make their needs meet.  
 
Purity could be coming out of misery.  
 
The command could be “ And they ask you about the Turbulance in agitation. Say it surely is painful, do keep Nisa (Weaker section/those who are striving to make their ends meet for bread and butter) away from this ( Agitation) and do not include them until they get out of this situation. Include them(get in contract) when they get out of their situations and are cable to work along with you for the cause.  
 
I think its not about war but a peaceful approach against system to implement divine laws gradually.  
 
Not sure if it makes any sense…………..just a thought.  
 
Note : Zindagi har khadam ek nayi jung hai…….jeet jayenge hum, tu agar sang hai.  
 
Thanks,  
Mubashir Syed.  

Comments by: moazzam On 25 August 2011
Dear MM Khan! Yes, it make sense, every citizen have to reject the ruling system other than Islamic, and must abide by the law/rules of islamic state = Tahir= Momin= antonym of Najas/Mushrik, This all acceptance should be made with the category of "Nisaa" in a good way/manner, not through bloodshed.

Comments by: naeem sheikh On 25 August 2011Report Abuse
Dr Qamarzaman! Salam , in verse 2:231 you translated as " اللہ کی مملکت نے تم کو جو نعمتیں بخشی ہیں " , is it not better to translate it as "Allah bestowed his bounties through his state"?? the same way through out in your translation asاللہ کی مملکت نصیحت کرتی ہے ). I mean it should be through his state not state it self.(Allah advise through islamic state)  
2) Although the term Nisaa( طَلَّقْتُمُ النِّسَاءَ )mean the weeker segment of the society, but it could also be utilised for Women also, why you taken/ insisted only one case and regected the other in through out your translation.

Comments by: moazzam On 25 August 2011
Dear Naeem Sheikh !Please read the verse 8/17,you will find your answer "  
فَلَمْ تَقْتُلُوهُمْ وَلَـكِنَّ اللّهَ قَتَلَهُمْ وَمَا رَمَيْتَ إِذْ رَمَيْتَ وَلَـكِنَّ اللّهَ رَمَى وَلِيُبْلِيَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ مِنْهُ بَلاَءً حَسَناً إِنَّ اللّهَ سَمِيعٌ عَلِيمٌ "  
As for as your second part of question is concerns You are right that, , "Nisaa" might be one of the opposite gender , but here at this place the context of the subject doesn't allow to take the meaning of "NISAA" as a woman.

Comments by: dr shahid On 25 August 2011
Dear MM KHAN  
You are right and i agree with u except the word citizen if we keep in mind the context of the verse 2/222 and read from 2/215 it is obvious that these verses are about war like situation as explained by Dr. QZ.. the islamic state who has overcome the war and is trying to implement the Quranic laws through different departments is being instructed not to include these weaker communities in the establishment/deprtment of the islamic state until they understand the quranic ideology and become momin with devine system they have already become the citizen after the war

Comments by: Junaid On 25 August 2011Report Abuse
Salaam;  
 
I would like to thank Brother Waseem, Brother Mubashir and Brother Moazzam for their valuable inputs on my comments.  
 
It is to mention that I have gone through the comments from brother Dr. Shahid, brother mm khan as well as the comments from Dr Qamar (quoted by sister Nargis). I have noticed that there is a slight difference in the statements, according to what I have understood so far. Please allow me to quote the comments by Dr. Qamar, and Dr. Shahid and then I would like to ask few questions in this regard. (My apologies in advance if anyone feel that I am over emphasizing or over criticizing).  
 
Here are the comments;
 
 
Comments from Dr. Qamar (as quoted by Sister Nargis)  
بنیادی طور پر یہ جنگ کی کیفیت کے دوران خونریزی سے متعلق حکم ہے ۔ اور کہا جا رہا ہے کہ جس وقت جنگ ہو رہی ہو جو کہ بذات خود ایک تکلیف دہ کیفیت ہے تو مومنین کی افواج کو اس بات کا خیال رکھنا ہوگا کہ وہ کمزور افراد جن کی جنگی حیثیت نہیں ہے بلکہ کمزور عوام کی حیثیت ہے (جیسے بوڈھے ،بچے عورتیں یا مریض یا بستیوں میں بسنے والے عوام وغیرہ )ان لوگوں سے اس جنگ کی کیفیت میں جو ان کے لئے ایزاء کا باعث ھو تی ہے دوری اختیار کریں ۔یہ حکم اس لئے نہیں دیا جا رہا کہ ہم ان سے قطع تعلق کریں بلکہ اس لئے دیا جارہا ہے کہ ہماری فوج جنگ کے دوران  
غلطی سے بھی انکو ایزا نہ پہنچائیں ۔
 
 
Comments from Dr. Shahid:  
Dear MN KHAN  
You are right and i agree with u except the word citizen if we keep in mind the context of the verse 2/222 and read from 2/215 it is obvious that these verses are about war like situation as explained by Dr. QZ. in verse 2/222 the islamic state who has overcome the war and is trying to implement the Quranic laws through different departments is being instructed not to include these weaker communities in the establishment/deprtment of the islamic state until they understand the quranic ideology and become momin with devine system they have already become the citizen after the war.
 
 
According to what I have understood, there is a difference in these two statements quoted above. Dr. Qamar (as quoted by Sister Nargis) has emphasized on a situation regarding treatment of unarmed and innocent, suppressed members of a society during WAR, whereas Dr. Shahid says that the instructions are about treatment of weaker communities in post war situation. (Please correct me if I am wrong).  
 
My questions to all members are;
 
 
1: Kindly elaborate whether these instructions are about a situation during war, or whether the verse is describing a post war statement?  
 
2: In either case, I would like to know what exactly does the word WAR means here? Let me repeat that I need to know this because as per my analysis, if a system has to be implemented through war or bloodshed, then isn't this concept contradicts with the term امن as instructed in (2:03)?  
It says; الَّذِينَ يُؤْمِنُونَ بِالْغَيْبِ which means متقی وہ لوگ ہیں جو قدرت کے پیمانوں کے ذریعے امن قائم کرتے ہیں  
Why Bloodshed and why can't this system be implemented in a peaceful manner?  
Why a divine Ideology, which addresses to the whole mankind and it says يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ would consider WAR as an option or as a possibility? (my apologies if this question seems irrelevant).  
 
3: Please read the following part of verse (5:03) which says; حُرِّمَتْ عَلَيْكُمُ ٱلْمَيْتَةُ وَٱلدَّمُ وَلَحْمُ ٱلْخِنزِيرِ  
The term ٱلدَّمُ has also been translated as Bloodshed by various translators. I would like to know whether there is a similarity between ٱلدَّمُ and الْمَحِيضِ or are these two different concepts? Because according to verse (5:03) ٱلدَّمُ is prohibited in ٱلْإِسْلَٰمَ which means we must refrain from it.
 
 
Finally I would like to comment on the concept of citizenship, since this term has been mentioned by Brother MM Khan and Dr. Shahid both.  
 
According to the textbook definition;  
Citizenship is the state of being a citizen of a particular social, political, national, or human resource community. Citizenship status, under social contract theory, carries with it both rights and responsibilities. "Active citizenship" is the philosophy that citizens should work towards the betterment of their community through economic participation, public, volunteer work, and other such efforts to improve life for all citizens.  
 
However, the concept is entirely different in current scenario, because in modern world of today, citizenship contradicts the philosophy of liberty which says;  
Liberty is a concept in political philosophy that identifies the condition in which human beings are able to govern themselves, to behave according to their own free will, and take responsibility for their actions.  
 
The current concept of citizenship carries a lot of unnecessary obligations which includes various restrictions in terms of immigration, travelling and trade, as well as taxation, abiding by man-made legislations and bearing consequences of wrong decisions taken by the entities known as governments.  
 
Perhaps this concept needs to be looked at, according to it's real definition which means a major change is required in terms of our behavior and understanding . (Just my two cents).
 
 
 

Comments by: Nargis On 25 August 2011Report Abuse
We have to see from 221:-

 
 
اور احکامات الہی کے ساتھ شرک کرنے والی جماعتوں سے جب تک کہ اہل امن نہ بن جائیں کوئی معاہدہ نہ کرنا کیونکہ ایک مشرک امت سےخواہ تم کو کیسی ہی بھلی لگےایک مومن امت بہتر ہے۔ اسی طرح تم کسی مشرک سےمعاہدہ نہ کروانا جب تک کہ وہ اہل امن نہ ہو جائیں کیونکہ مشرک سے خواہ وہ تم کو کیسا ہی بھلا لگے مومن بندہ بہتر ہے۔ یہ لوگ آگ کی طرف بلاتے ہیں اور قوانین قدرت ایک فلاحی معاشرے اور حفاظت کی طرف بلاتے ہیں اور وہ اپنے احکامات انسانوں کے لئے واضح بیان کرتا ہے تاکہ وہ نصیحت یاد رکھیں۔  
 
مباحث:۔  
 
آگ کے لئے سورۃ آل عمران کی آیت ۱۰۳ ملاحظہ فرمائیے ۔  
 
وَاعْتَصِمُوا بِحَبْلِ اللَّـهِ جَمِيعًا وَلَا تَفَرَّقُوا ۚ وَاذْكُرُوا نِعْمَتَ اللَّـهِ عَلَيْكُمْ إِذْ كُنتُمْ أَعْدَاءً فَأَلَّفَ بَيْنَ قُلُوبِكُمْ فَأَصْبَحْتُم بِنِعْمَتِهِ إِخْوَانًا وَكُنتُمْ عَلَىٰ شَفَا حُفْرَةٍ مِّنَ النَّارِ فَأَنقَذَكُم مِّنْهَا ۗ كَذَٰلِكَ يُبَيِّنُ اللَّـهُ لَكُمْ آيَاتِهِ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَهْتَدُونَ  
 
(اور سب مل کر خدا کی رسی کو مضبوط پکڑے رہنا اور فرقہ فرقہ نہ ہوجانا اور خدا کی اس مہربانی کو یاد کرو جب تم ایک دوسرے کے دشمن تھے تو اس نے تمہارے دلوں میں الفت ڈال دی اور تم اس کی مہربانی سے بھائی بھائی ہوگئے اور تم آگ کے گڑھے کے کنارے تک پہنچ چکے تھے تو اللہ نے تم کو اس سے بچا لیا اس طرح اللہ تم کو اپنی آیتیں کھول کھول کر سناتا ہے تاکہ تم ہدایت پاؤ۔)  
یاد رکھئے آپس کی دشمنی اور فرقہ فرقہ ہونا ہی آگ کا گڑھا ہے۔  
 
اس آیت کو بھی تمام ربط کو با لا ئے طاق رکھ کر عورتوں کی کیفیت حیض پر چسپاں کر دیا گیا ہے ۔۔۔۔۔ اگر تو آپ قرآن کے ربط کے قائل ہیں ۔۔۔۔تو ذرا سیاق و سباق میں جا کر دیکھئے ۔۔۔۔ آپ کو جد جہد اور تصادم کی کیفیت نظر آئے گی ،اسی جد وجہد اور تصادم سےمتعلق یہ آیت ہے۔  
 
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222  
 
اور لوگ تم سے خون ریزی کے بارے میں دریافت کریں گے ، کہہ دو کہ وہ توایذاء ا ورتکلیف ہےاس لئے کمزور لوگوں پر خون ریزی کے معاملےمیں خونریزی سے علیحدگی اختیار کرو۔ اور جب تک وہ غیر الہی احکامات سے اپنے آپ کو علیحدہ نہ کرلیں ان سے تعلقات قائم نہ کرنا ۔ البتہ جب غیر الہی احکامات سے پاک ہوجائیں تو جس طرح احکامات الہی میں ارشاد فرمایا ہے ان کے پاس جاؤ۔ کچھ شک نہیں کہ اللہ کی مملکت توبہ کرنے والوں اور غیر الہی احکامات سے پاک صاف لوگوں کو محبوب رکھتا ہے۔  
 
مباحث:۔  
 
اس آیت میں لفظ الْمَحِيضِ آیا ہے ۔اس کا مادہ ح ی ض ہے۔ علامہ رشید نعمانی لکھتے ہیں ۔۔۔"یہ ظرف زمان ۔(وقت حیض ) ظرف مکان (مقام حیض ) اور مصدر (حیض آنا ) یا بمعنی حیض یعنی وہ فاسد خون جو مخصوص زمانے اور مخصوص حالت میں تندرست ،جوان غیر حاملہ عورت کے رحم سے نکلتا ہے ۔" (لغات القرآن ،جلد پنجم صفحہ ۳۳۲)  
 
محیض جیسا کہ علامہ صاحب نے فرمایا "اسم ظرف "ہے جس کا مطلب ہوا کہ سوال حیض کی جگہ یا وقت سے متعلق نہیں ہے ورنہ سوال بھی بے محل ہے اور جواب بھی بے محل۔  
 
اب رہا سوال کہ کیا لفظ المحیض کو بطور مصدری معنوں میں لیا جائے تو بھی جواب نفی میں ہے۔عورت کےخاص ایام میں جو کیفیت ہوتی ہے اس سے متعلق سوال کیا جائے گا ؟ ۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔جی نہیں ۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔کیونکہ جواب بتا رہا ہےکہ یہ عورت کی اس کیفیت سے متعلق نہیں ہے۔ جواب دیا گیا قُلْ هُوَ أَذًى (کہو کہ یہ ایذاء ہے )۔  
یہ ایک ایسا دو ٹوک بیان ہے جس میں کسی شک کی کوئی گنجائش نہیں۔۔۔۔۔۔۔لیکن کیا یہ بیان حقیقت پر مبنی ہے ۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔اگر تو اس کی تصدیق ہوتی ہے تو یہ ترجمہ حتمی ہے ورنہ اس ترجمے میں خامی ہے ۔۔۔۔۔ حالت حیض میں کچھ عورتوں کو یقینا تکلیف ہوتی ہے لیکن یہ اصول نہیں ہے۔ ہر ماں اپنی بچی کے لئے پریشان نظر آتی ہے کہ کہیں اس کی بچی کے کپڑے حیض کے خون سے نہ بھر جائیں اور اسے پتہ بھی نہ چلے۔ چند خواتین ہی ہوتی ہیں جو اس تکلیف کے لئے ڈاکٹروں سے علاج لیتی ہیں ؟ دوسری اہم بات کے یہ المحیض ہےیعنی معرف بالام ہے جس میں کسی خاص حیض کی بات ہو رہی ہے۔ اس لئے یہ آیت خواتین کی اس حالت کے متعلق جسے حیض کہا جاتا ہےقطعا نہیں ہے۔  
 
النساء کی اصطلاح کو ہم کئی مقامات پر زیر بحث لا چکے ہیں ۔آپ کی یاد دہانی کے لئے ایک مرتبہ پھر پیش کئے دیتے ہیں ۔  
 
النساء کا لفظ سیدنا موسیٰ اور فرعون کی داستان میں بہت استعمال ہوا ہے ، جہاں با رہا مقامات پر بتایا گیا کہ فرعوں ابناء قوم کو مروا دیتا تھا اور نساء کو چھوڑ دیتا تھا۔سیدنا موسی کی داستان میں یہودی روایات کے زیر اثر ہماری مذہبی پیشوائیت نے یہ بتانے کی کوشش کی ہے کہ فرعون نے بنی اسرائیل کے نو مولود بیٹوں کے قتل کا حکم صادر کیا ہوا تھا۔ یہ بات یہاں ہی واضح ہو جانی چاہئے تاکہ معلوم ہو جائے کہ بنی اسرائیل کے ابناء اور نساء کون تھے۔ ہماری مذہبی داستانوں کے مطابق فرعون نے بنی اسرائیل کے بیٹوں کے قتل کا حکم اس وقت دیا جب کہ سیدنا موسی کی پیدائش متوقع تھی ۔لیکن قرآن کے مطابق فرعون نے یہ حکم اس وقت دیا جب سیدنا موسی نے فرعون کے دربار میں چیلنج کیا تھا۔ ملاحظہ فرمائیں سورۃ ا لا عراف کی آیت ۱۲۷  
قَالَ الْمَلأ مِنْ قَوْمِ فِرْعَوْنَ أَتَذَرُ مُوسَى وَقَوْمَهُ لِيُفْسِدُوا فِي الأرْضِ وَيَذَرَكَ وَآلِهَتَكَ قَالَ سَنُقَتِّلُ أَبْنَاءَهُمْ وَنَسْتَحْيِي نِسَاءَهُمْ وَإِنَّا فَوْقَهُمْ قَاهِرُونَ  
 
( سرداران قوم فرعون نے کہا کیا تم موسیٰ اور اس کی قوم کو چھوڑ دوگے کہ وہ زمین میں فساد پھیلائیں اور تم اور تمہارے الہہ کو چھوڑ دیں تو فرعون نے کہا "میں یقیناً ان کے ابناء کو قتل کرونگا اور انکی نساء کو حیات بخشونگا مزید ان پر قاہر بنونگا۔")  
 
آپ خود فیصلہ کیجئے کہ یہ کس وقت کا کلام ہے ؟ ایک اور مقام آپ کے سامنے پیش کرتے ہیں سورۃ المومن کی آیت نمبر ۲۵  
 
فلَمَّا جَاءَهُمْ بِالْحَقِّ مِنْ عِنْدِنَا قَالُوا اقْتُلُوا أَبْنَاءَ الَّذِينَ مَنُوا مَعَهُ وَاسْتَحْيُوا نِسَاءَهُمْ ( پس جب وہ ہمار ے پاس سے ان کی طرف الحق لے کر آیا تو کہنے لگے ان ابناء کو جو اس کے ساتھ اہل ایمان ہوئے ہیں قتل کردو اورجو انکی نساء ہیں انہیں حیات بخش دو۔)  
 
دیکھ لیجئے کہ ابناء قوم کے قتل کا حکم اس وقت ہوا جب سیدنا موسی نے خدا کی طرف سے حق کو پیش کیا اور سیدنا موسی اس وقت نو مولود نہ تھے۔ فرعون کو کسی نومولود کے قتل سے کوئی فائدہ نہیں پہنچ سکتا تھا۔اصل قتل تو ان کا ہونا چاہئے جو مرد میداں ہوتے ہیں ،جو ابناء قوم کہلانے کا حق رکھتے ہیں۔ یہ وہ لوگ تھے جو اپنی قوم کی قسمت بدلنے کا عزم رکھتے تھے اور فرعون کے سامنے سیسہ پلائی دیوار بن کر کھڑے ہو گئے تھے۔ ان ابناء قوم کے برعکس وہ بے چارے افراد جن کو فرعون نے اتنا کمزور بنا دیا تھا کہ وہ ہر وقت فرعون کی گالیوں اور بدکلامی سے نوازے جاتے تھے۔ ان لوگوں میں کسی قسم کی عزت نفس باقی نہیں چھوڑی گئی تھی۔ انہی لوگوں کو قرآن نے "النساء " کہا ہے۔آج بھی ایسے لوگوں کو کسی اہلیت کے لائق نہیں چھوڑا جاتا ۔ ان کے ضمیر کو اس طرح مسخ کر دیا جاتا ہے کہ وہ اپنی ہر حالت کو خالق کی وجہ سے سمجھتے ہیں۔ آج بھی آپ ایسے افراد کو اپنی قوم میں بھی با کثرت پائیں گے بس ذرا زاویہ نگاہ تبدیل کرنے کی ضرورت ہے۔  
 
سورۃ الحجرات کی آیت نمبر ۱۱ میں ارشاد ہے :  
 
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لا يَسْخَرْ قَومٌ مِنْ قَوْمٍ عَسَى أَنْ يَكُونُوا خَيْرًا مِنْهُمْ وَلا نِسَاءٌ مِنْ نِسَاءٍ عَسَى أَنْ يَكُنَّ خَيْرًا مِنْهُنَّ  
(ائے اہل امن کوئی قوم کسی قوم سے تمسخر نہ کرے "یامسخر نہ کرے " ممکن ہے وہ قوم ان سے بہتر ہو اور نہ ہی کوئی نساء کسی نساء سے ،ممکن ہے وہ نساء ان سے بہتر ہوں ۔)  
 
اس آیت میں کچھ لوگوں کو قوم کہا گیا ہے اور قوم کے متضاد "نساء" کا لفظ آیا ہے۔ قوم اس وقت بنتی ہے جب لوگ کسی نظریہ اور موقف پر ڈٹ جاتے ہیں اور ثابت قدم رہتے ہیں ورنہ وہ قوم نہیں بلکہ مجمع ہوتے ہیں۔قوم کے مقابلے پراور متضاد لفظ " نساء " کا استعمال کر کے قرآن نے دونوں الفاظ کو خود ہی واضح کر دیا ہے۔ یعنی قوم ان افراد کی جماعت جو اولالعزم اپنے موقف پر ثابت قدم رہنے والے، اس کے برعکس نساء وہ افراد جن کی معاشرے میں حیثیت کمزور ہوتی ہے۔  
 
ذیل کی آیت میں ایک لفظ حرث آیا ہے ۔ تشبیہات کا خیال نہ رکھا جائے تو نساء بیوی اور حرث کھیتی ہی نظر آئے گی۔ قرآن میں نساء ان افراد کے لئیے استعمال ہوا ہے جو کسی وجہ سے بھی کمزور ہوتے ہیں اور جن کی ذمہ داری یا تو اللہ کی مملکت اٹھاتی ہے یا منتخب ادارہ یا افراد ۔ اور اسی طرح حرث کے معنی بجائے عورت کے قوم کے افراد کئے جائیں جہاں سے افرادی قوت حاصل ہوتی ہے تو مفہوم سیاق و سباق سے مطابقت بھی رکھے گا اور مفہوم کے لحاظ سے کوئی سمجھداری کی بات بھی ہوگی۔  
 


Comments by: mmkhan20 On 25 August 2011Report Abuse
Salaamun Alikum!  
 
Thanks Br. Moazzam , Br Dr. Shahid and Br Junaid for your valuable comments on my understanding of the verse 2/222.  
 
Br Junaid I would try to address some of your points, Br. Moazzam & Br Dr. Shahid please correct me if I go wrong  
 
1: Kindly elaborate whether these instructions are about a situation during war, or whether the verse is describing a post war statement?  
A. The first part of the verse instructs a situation during war and the second part is addressing post war situation about the prerequisite of NISA to be part of the islamic state and the next verse 2/223 is guiding how to come to them.  
 
2: In either case, I would like to know what exactly does the word WAR means here? Let me repeat that I need to know this because as per my analysis, if a system has to be implemented through war or bloodshed, then isn't this concept contradicts with the term امن as instructed in (2:03)?  
A. In current day scenario if suppose a country has to be established on the guidelines of the Quran then , definitely this will not happen easily without any bloodshed. Please recall the story of Adam and Iblees here, Of course the malaika will raise objection to the plan to create a Global welfare society. As of now I don't see an alternative.  
 
for your 3rd question I request Br. Moazzam to address this as he's well versed with the terminologies and also to correct me on my comments.  
 
Regards,  
Munawar Khan

Comments by: dawood On 25 August 2011Report Abuse
Br. Moazzam, SA:  
"Moazzam: A: It depend at situation, some time it happened to exist, you can observe it at globe,in today's current situation.Read Surah Altobah/Al Anfaal."  
 
What I understand from 2:222 is that people would ask you about ALmakheez (Bloodshed type situation), tell them (i) it is troubling and painful condition, (ii) stay away from the weaker segment of the society who are in this Almakheez condition, until they, the weaker segment purifies themselves of non-Illahi Ahkamaats. Please pay attention.  
 
Why is being said that they, the weaker segment should clear themselves of the non-illahi ahkamaats? They are in the bloodshed type situation which is for the most part of not their making since they are a weaker segment. If the second part is indeed talking about the "purifying themselves from the non-illahi ahkamaats," then the first condition, Almakheez" must be a condition which involves following the non-illahi ahkamaats, the weaker segments are engaged in. Is Almakheez talking about the "bloodshed type" situation or about a situation which involves following non-illahi ahkamaats? Any comments?

Comments by: Junaid On 26 August 2011Report Abuse
Salaam;  
 
Thanks Sister Nargis and Brother MM Khan, for addressing the queries I have raised.  
After going through the verses quoted by sister Nargis, I went back to the translation and I went through the verses again and again, starting from (2:215) as pointed out by Dr. Shahid.  
Also to mention that the statements from Dr. Qamar and Dr. Shahid, both seems correct in this perspective.  
 
Please allow me to share what I have understood so far;  
 
The point raised by Br. MM Khan looks quite logical that the instructions are applicable in both scenarios if we read (2:222) in context with the previous verses. (2:222) starts with inquiry وَيَسْأَلُونَكَ and the instructions given are in reply to the inquiry. Such inquiries and instructions are common elements of planning and decision making.  
 
Also to mention that, having gone through the previous verses, I also got a better understanding regarding the concept of WAR as mentioned in these verses starting from (2:189) onward.  
 
Let me share it with you all in detail;  
 
What I have understood from the context is, that truth seekers, those who want peace and those who are striving against evil forces have been in a constant state of war throughout the history, they are still in a state of war at present and they will remain in a state of war in near future. This is not a war between two or more countries or nations, rather it's a war between good and evil forces in this world, throughout mankind.  
 
It is quite obvious that the socio-economic systems in today's world are not based on divine ideology and they are not in harmony with natural laws, rather all of these systems have been designed by the imperial forces, in favor of few elites, giving them the right to own and exploit major part of natural resources, keeping the majority out of loop.  
 
We can see a clear example of exploitation of masses both in West and East.  
 
Throughout the traceable history, Eastern region has been dominated by Monarchy or Autocracy, having strong ties with so called "religious authorities" who played the key role to justify the tyranny, oppression, suppression and subjugation. Even today, we can see similar kind of governance in this region where despotism is quite visible, whether in the form of autocracy (one person possesses unlimited power) OR whether oligarchy ( power effectively rests with a small number of people) and these despots are subservient to global elites who own the banks, the oil corporations, the military complexes etc. In other words, the common people OR the so called "ordinary citizens" are nothing but hostages, the slaves who are being made to follow the system, willingly or unwillingly.  
The instructions in these verses are pointing out towards WAR against these forces, which includes Autocrats, Oligarchs and of course the Religious elements.  
 
Almost the same kind situation can be seen in the Western region as well, albeit a majority of mankind is still very impressed with the Western socio-economic systems, since they are unable to see the element of deception or sophistry by the oligarchy in disguise of so called freedom, democracy and social welfare.  
Let me quote a verse in this regard;  
(2:221)  
اور احکامات الہی کے ساتھ شرک کرنے والی جماعتوں سے جب تک کہ اہل امن نہ بن جائیں کوئی معاہدہ نہ کرنا کیونکہ ایک مشرک امت سےخواہ تم کو کیسی ہی بھلی لگےایک مومن امت بہتر ہے۔  
A clear evidence of oligarchy can be seen in Western Economy which primarily based on the concepts of fake entities known as corporations, fake wealth in form of fiat money (which is nothing but debt) and artificial assets in form of securities, derivatives, bonds, stock and gold/silver certificates.  
A huge military industrial complex is functioning as a profitable organization in West (with the help of tax being collected by governments), which is owned by elites who are controlling the economies, therefore governments using the principles defined in Keynesian economics also known as (mainstream economics) which allows Oligarchs to intervene and dictate the economic activities and exploit the concept of free market ( laissez-faire) in the name if Government intervention and which provide legitimacy to frauds like forced taxation and creating fiat money out of thin air causing constant inflation. (I hope the terminologies I have used are not too complicated).  
 
Dear members, as per my understanding, the verses starting from 2:189 are describing a state of permanent war against the system, I have defined above and this is a constant state of war which will end only when a global welfare state based on the concepts of open and invariable access to the natural resources for all alike, according to the principles given in AL-Kitaab (وَأَقِيمُوا الصَّلَاةَ وَآتُوا الزَّكَاةَ) will be created.  
 
A special thanks to my dear brother Mubashir Syed who helped me a lot by sharing the following lines;  
Zindagi har kadam ek nayi jung hai…….jeet jayenge hum, tu agar sang hai.  
 
Respect and Regards for everyone :)

Comments by: waseemameer On 26 August 2011Report Abuse
Dear members and brother Junaid  
 
I have gone through the translation by Dr. sahab from ayat 2/222-245, what I understand is the following  
 
as Doctor sahab said in the mubahis of ayat 2/221  
 
 
سورۃ الحجرات کی آیت نمبر ۱۱ میں ارشاد ہے :  
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لا يَسْخَرْ قَومٌ مِنْ قَوْمٍ عَسَى أَنْ يَكُونُوا خَيْرًا مِنْهُمْ وَلا نِسَاءٌ مِنْ نِسَاءٍ عَسَى أَنْ يَكُنَّ خَيْرًا مِنْهُنَّ  
(ائے اہل امن کوئی قوم کسی قوم سے تمسخر نہ کرے "یامسخر نہ کرے " ممکن ہے وہ قوم ان سے بہتر ہو اور نہ ہی کوئی نساء کسی نساء سے ،ممکن ہے وہ نساء ان سے بہتر ہوں ۔)  
اس آیت میں کچھ لوگوں کو قوم کہا گیا ہے اور قوم کے متضاد "نساء" کا لفظ آیا ہے۔ قوم اس وقت بنتی ہے جب لوگ کسی نظریہ اور موقف پر ڈٹ جاتے ہیں اور ثابت قدم رہتے ہیں ورنہ وہ قوم نہیں بلکہ مجمع ہوتے ہیں۔قوم کے مقابلے پراور متضاد لفظ " نساء " کا استعمال کر کے قرآن نے دونوں الفاظ کو خود ہی واضح کر دیا ہے۔ یعنی قوم ان افراد کی جماعت جو اولالعزم اپنے موقف پر ثابت قدم رہنے والے، اس کے برعکس نساء وہ افراد جن کی معاشرے میں حیثیت کمزور ہوتی ہے۔  
 
What I understand is that Al-nisaa is used against Quom, A quom can only become a quom when they are established physically. These ayats then only applicable when a nation is established as per divine laws. Also next ayats you would see the changes of words Al-nisaa with Azwaaj.  
 
I think Al-nisaa is called nisaa when they are either considering to make contract with quom or not in contract with quom, or the quom is trying to convince them to come under their contract.  
 
Azwaaj are those nisaa who have come into the contract with the quom, and quom is responsible for their Azwaaj training, etc.  
 
Also the fact is nisaa is used again quom means, that Nisaa are those people who doesn't combine on a platform based on ideology rather they are scattered following their own idologies. This will remove the limitation of word nisaa being used for weak people either physically or mentally. Azwaaj could be weaker mentally as well , but they are those people who are in contract with the established people.  
 
I figured quom as established people b/c in quran people following the divine idoleology and not in established estate are called " Walazeen a maa hu"  
 
Going back to 2/222  
It is a condition called Maheez.. It could be a condition where the established people are in state of war or continuous effort /struggle with other people. To be succussfull you at least need to be away fromt those people who still not agreed with the divine ideology. If they agree with the divine ideology, then the quom can make contracts with them, even if the Al-maheez condition is still going on .  
 
 
Please correct me if I am wrong. Just my understanding.

Comments by: DHULQARNAIN On 26 August 2011Report Abuse
Waseemameer,  
 
I couldn't stop laughing while and after reading your post. I mean my abs and jaws hurt right now.  
 
The word which immediately jumped to mind was...  
 
BAFFLEGAB.  
 
I'm telling you, you Nargis, Junaid, Yellow Cow, and Moazzam, are Masters of Bafflegab, extraordinaire.  
 
Like the old saying goes, "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, then baffle them with bafflegab!"  
 
I think if you sit back and read it yourself you will say, WT..?!  
 
Listen, I'm not making fun of you guys, because I can be quite the pill and navel-gazer when I want to be! :D  
 
All in good fun. :D  
 
Dhulqarnain-

Comments by: moazzam On 26 August 2011
Junaid: Please read the following part of verse (5:03) which says; حُرِّمَتْ عَلَيْكُمُ ٱلْمَيْتَةُ وَٱلدَّمُ وَلَحْمُ ٱلْخِنزِيرِ  
Dear Junaid ! The sense of Quranic terminology “ٱلدَّمُ” (dimaan masfoohan) written in verses 2/173,16/15,5/3,6/145 means to impose the BLOODSHED(to take initiative of war etc) .  
Whereas the sense of “الْمَحِيضِ” expressed in its context is if it happened to being (not initiated by jamaat Al Mominee)  

Comments by: naeem sheikh On 26 August 2011Report Abuse
Dhulkarnain!I'm telling you, you Nargis, Junaid, Yellow Cow, and Moazzam, are Masters of Bafflegab, extraordinaire.  
 
Like the old saying goes, "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, then baffle them with Bafflegab!”  
 
Naeem Sheikh! Sure you are not capable to understand the Aastana message. You are infant in the field of “understanding Quran by Quran” . This is the reason I advised you time and again, go through the Quranic basic terminologies first, then come and involve in this high valued research in Quran, otherwise except weeping/laughing you can’t do /understand any thing at all.  
If any body gets involve in your orthodox based translation/interpretation he will be looser of his valuable efforts, time and energy.  
Yeh DHUL KAR NAINsaaf nahi hongey yeh kaley hain  

Comments by: waseemameer On 26 August 2011Report Abuse
Dhulqurnain  
Can you please put your understanding of ayats 2/222-245.  
Just translation is enough.  

Comments by: dr shahid On 26 August 2011
Dear Mr. Junaid  
 
I would like to express some thoughts and some points regarding your queries  
 
 
JUNAID 1: Kindly elaborate whether these instructions are about a situation during war, or whether the verse is describing a post war statement?  
 
In my opinion in the verse 2/222, the first part is about the war like situation in which the war is being fought.  
 
وَيَسْأَلُونَكَ عَنِ الْمَحِيضِ ۖ قُلْ هُوَ أَذًى فَاعْتَزِلُوا النِّسَاءَ فِي الْمَحِيضِ ۖ  
 
And the second part is about after war like situation because now momineen are being instructed to make contacts with the weaker communities when they have changed their ideology according to Quranic ideology حَتَّىٰ يَطْهُرْنَ and in the next verse 2/223 theses communities are called نِسَاؤُكُمْ حَرْثٌ لَّكُمْ,  
Because from حَرْثٌ. A nation gets the Human force after teaching the communities. In the next verses momineen are being instructed how to make and discontinue the contracts and its detail.  
 
JUNAID 2: In either case, I would like to know what exactly does the word WAR means here. Let me repeat that I need to know this because as per my analysis, if a system has to be implemented through war or bloodshed, then isn't this concept contradicts with the term امن as instructed in (2:03)?  
It says; الَّذِينَ يُؤْمِنُونَ بِالْغَيْبِ which means متقی وہ لوگ ہیں جو قدرت کے پیمانوں کے ذریعے امن قائم کرتے ہیں  
Why Bloodshed and why can't this system be implemented in a peaceful manner?  
 
Just think why more or less all the prophets were being confronted and ultimately were put in a clash.  
 
Suppose if a tiny force (a group of people) started to teach the people the true Quranic ideology openly and challenged the current system on every forum (before this keep in mind that it has established his force) then what will happen. All the three groups or one of them mentioned in Quran i.e.  
 
1- FIRON, a sign of malukiat  
2- HAMAN, a sign of religious force  
3- QAROON, a sign of capitalists  
 
They will try to crush this by all means because their control over the resources has been attacked. And there will be a clash between the Quranic socio-economic system and the man made cruel system (whatever name you give to their system)  
In other words they will impose a war upon this tiny force and it will have to fight in its defence against them in order to survive.  
 
Now what will you call it??? Is this a contradiction with the term امن as instructed in (2:03)?  
It says; الَّذِينَ يُؤْمِنُونَ بِالْغَيْبِ which means متقی وہ لوگ ہیں جو قدرت کے پیمانوں کے ذریعے امن قائم کرتے ہیں  
 
JUNAID 3: Please read the following part of verse (5:03) which says; حُرِّمَتْ عَلَيْكُمُ ٱلْمَيْتَةُ وَٱلدَّمُ وَلَحْمُ ٱلْخِنزِيرِ  
the term ٱلدَّمُ has also been translated as Bloodshed by various translators. I would like to know whether there is a similarity between ٱلدَّمُ and الْمَحِيضِ or are these two different concepts? Because according to verse (5:03) ٱلدَّمُ is prohibited in ٱلْإِسْلَٰمَ which means we must refrain from it.  
 
For this kindly read Br. Moazzam comments. Let me reproduce here  
 
Junaid: Please read the following part of verse (5:03) which says; حُرِّمَتْ عَلَيْكُمُ ٱلْمَيْتَةُ وَٱلدَّمُ وَلَحْمُ ٱلْخِنزِيرِ  
Dear Junaid! The sense of Quranic terminology “ٱلدَّمُ” (dimaan masfoohan) written in verses 2/173, 16/15, 5/3, 6/145 means to impose the BLOODSHED (to take initiative of war etc).  
Whereas the sense of “الْمَحِيضِ” expressed in its context is if it happened to being (not initiated by jamaat Al Momineen)  

Comments by: Nargis2 On 26 August 2011Report Abuse

 
I didn’t understand what the problem was; I have tried to read it over and over again but didn’t get it. but Thank you so much, Dr Shahid and brother Moazzam, for the illumination it in detail. Is it made more difficult and complicated than it is? I feel so, :- O  
 
As I understand if from Dr Uncle, Brother Moazzam and Dr Shahids posts, it means that originating and being tangled in al dam as mentioned in 5:3, khoun bahana, bloodbath / Fierceness- is haram. No Momin is allowed to be involved in such thing or instigate such actions  
 
But the course of action procedures regarding war in 2:221 -- > are given in a case where bloodshed is IMPOSED upon you, then what to do? What directions are to be followed in such a situation?  
 
The values revealed in the first part are interminable and valid in every era, which is that no weaker segments who are already suffering from the war should be endangered by any kind of hardship or painful suffering from the Momineens side.  
 
But  
 
“Weaker section” is not reflexively undistinguishable with “Momin”- That’s why it is said in the next part- that when the Islamic state who has overpowered the war and is trying to implement the Quraniq laws through different departments, they should not include the weaker communities in the establishment of the Islamic state, until they understand the Quraniq ideology and are able to follow it like other Momineens.  
 
The crash is not about ideologies and belief; it is about the ability and will to FOLLOW the Islamic state whole heartily. If you follow something else, then you cannot be included in any agreement with the Islamic state, whether you are Rajjal or Nisa.  
 
What agreements can they have, when they follow two different paths? So the weaker segments have to become tathaar, tahir which is Momin, and then involved in covenants.  
 
Or am I totally wrong?


Comments by: Junaid On 26 August 2011Report Abuse
Salaam;  
 
Dr. Shahid, I would like to thank you for your valuable input.  
Your thoughts and your inference are in complete harmony with mine and you can see that in my last post ;  
 
You said;
 
Suppose if a tiny force (a group of people) started to teach the people the true Quranic ideology openly and challenged the current system on every forum (before this keep in mind that it has established his force) then what will happen. All the three groups or one of them mentioned in Quran i.e.  
 
1- FIRON, a sign of malukiat  
2- HAMAN, a sign of religious force  
3- QAROON, a sign of capitalists  
 
They will try to crush this by all means because their control over the resources has been attacked. And there will be a clash between the Quranic socio-economic system and the man made cruel system (whatever name you give to their system)  
In other words they will impose a war upon this tiny force and it will have to fight in its defence against them in order to survive.
 
 
I completely agree with this, and as per my understanding, your comments are a complete reflection of the following words I wrote in my last post;  
 
Throughout the traceable history, Eastern region has been dominated by Monarchy or Autocracy, having strong ties with so called "religious authorities" who played the key role to justify the tyranny, oppression, suppression and subjugation. Even today, we can see similar kind of governance in this region where despotism is quite visible, whether in the form of autocracy (one person possesses unlimited power) OR whether oligarchy ( power effectively rests with a small number of people) and these despots are subservient to global elites who own the banks, the oil corporations, the military complexes etc. In other words, the common people OR the so called "ordinary citizens" are nothing but hostages, the slaves who are being made to follow the system, willingly or unwillingly.  
 
Almost the same kind situation can be seen in the Western region as well, albeit a majority of mankind is still very impressed with the Western socio-economic systems, since they are unable to see the element of deception or sophistry by the oligarchy in disguise of so called freedom, democracy and social welfare.  
A clear evidence of oligarchy can be seen in Western Economy which primarily based on the concepts of fake entities known as corporations, fake wealth in form of fiat money (which is nothing but debt) and artificial assets in form of securities, derivatives, bonds, stock and gold/silver certificates.  
A huge military industrial complex is functioning as a profitable organization in West (with the help of tax being collected by governments), which is owned by elites who are controlling the economies, therefore governments using the principles defined in Keynesian economics also known as (mainstream economics) which allows Oligarchs to intervene and dictate the economic activities and exploit the concept of free market ( laissez-faire) in the name if Government intervention and which provide legitimacy to frauds like forced taxation and creating fiat money out of thin air causing constant inflation. (I hope the terminologies I have used are not too complicated).  
 
Dear members, as per my understanding, the verses starting from 2:189 are describing a state of permanent war against the system, I have defined above and this is a constant state of war which will end only when a global welfare state based on the concepts of open and invariable access to the natural resources for all alike, according to the principles given in AL-Kitaab (وَأَقِيمُوا الصَّلَاةَ وَآتُوا الزَّكَاةَ) will be created.
 
 
(please correct me if I am wrong).  
 
SIster Nargis, Are you addressing me?  
You said;  
I didn’t understand what the problem was; I have tried to read it over and over again but didn’t get it.  
Is it made more difficult and complicated than it is? I feel so, :- O
 
 
If yes, then I would like to mention that I am a bit slow to understand things as compared to you and others. You can also call me dumb if you like because this word describes me better :)  
In fact I have already apologized in advance and my words were;
 
(My apologies in advance if anyone feel that I am over emphasizing or over criticizing).  

Comments by: Nargis-Badshah-Salamat On 26 August 2011Report Abuse

No I was addressing the point, " purification non elahi ehkamats" :-P Because any agreement with someone who is not purified (became Momin) is no agreement. What are they agreeing on, if the party addressed is following non Elahi ehkamats, and if the agreement is on state levels, how can they have agreements when they disagree in the first place... follow two different "ehkamaat"  
 
Its either Ehkamaate Elahi, or Non-Elahi ehkamaat...


Comments by: dawood On 26 August 2011Report Abuse
Br. Moazzam and others, SA:  
 
1. What is the translation of word وَلَأَمَةٌ in 2:221?  
2. What is the difference between تَنكِحُوا (Tankekho) and تُنكِحُو (Tunkekho)?  
3. If Mushrik is the one mixing others' orders/commendments with Allah's order, then Momin should be the one who is following nothing else but Allah's orders? Does first part of 2:221 point to this?  
4. How would the definition of "Almakheez=Bloodshed (khoonrezi)" would fit in 65:4 in which it is put next to Nisa and not Alnisa as in 2:222? Thanks.

Comments by: moazzam On 27 August 2011
Dear Dawood!  
1) What is the translation of word وَلَأَمَةٌ in 2:221?  
A! A momin group, Who yet not involved in any agreement, and ABD also mean obedient.  
2) What is the difference between تَنكِحُوا (Tankekho) and تُنكِحُو (Tunkekho)?  
A) Remember; the word is divided into 2 morphological segments. A verb and subject pronoun. The form IV imperfect verb (فعل مضارع) is second person masculine plural and is in the jussive mood (مجزوم). The verb's triliteral root is nūn kāf ḥā (ن ك ح). The suffix (الواو) is an attached subject pronoun. تَنكِحُوا (Tankekho) mean you make agreement (your self), whereas تُنكِحُو (Tunkekho) mean when you give in agreement (your nisa)  
3)YES IT IS.  
4) How would the definition of "Almakheez=Bloodshed (khoonrezi)" would fit in 65:4 in which it is put next to Nisa and not Alnisa as in 2:222?  
A: Read the Surah 65 in consolidation with Surah 66, the post war scenario makes the sense of Maheez and Nisa clear to you ie "Almakheez=Bloodshed (khoonrezi)"

Comments by: dawood On 28 August 2011Report Abuse
Thank you Br. Moazzam: Can you please provide me an online reference (lexicon, dictionary, etc.) to the word وَلَأَمَةٌ (wala-amata) in 2:221? Similar word is also used in 24:32. All the translators have translated this word as "female servant" and Abd as "male servant." Both ABD and Ammata are used in 24:32. Your translation as a group or Jammat of this word confuses me, because it does not seem to fit in 24:32?. thanks.

Comments by: moazzam On 29 August 2011
Dear Dawood! While keeping in mind the core subject of Surah noor, focus at the verse 24/31 where the groups has been described(consolidate it with 24/2), whereas in verse 24/32 the individusl is discussed(cosolidate it with24/3).As for asthe sesne of verse 24/32 is concerns read the following terms first to comprehend the sense.  
وَأَنكِحُوا الْأَيَامَى مِنكُمْ وَالصَّالِحِينَ مِنْ عِبَادِكُمْ وَإِمَائِكُمْ إِن يَكُونُوا فُقَرَاءَ يُغْنِهِمُ اللَّهُ مِن فَضْلِهِ وَاللَّهُ وَاسِعٌ عَلِيمٌ  
وَأَنكِحُوا =Engage in agreement/bond/cotract.  
الْأَيَامَى مِنكُمْ = the job less amongst you(those are yet not engaged in bond).  
وَالصَّالِحِينَ مِنْ عِبَادِكُمْ وَإِمَائِكُمْ = the virtuous ones among yourselves, male or female  
Engage in an agreement the one among you who is jobless( not yet engaged in any agreement/bond), or the virtuous ones among yourself the obedient, male or female: if they are in poverty, Allah will give them means out of His grace: for Allah encompasseth all, and he knoweth all things.  
 

Comments by: dawood On 29 August 2011Report Abuse
Thanks, Br. Moazzam. But you have not provided me any reference to the lexicon that gives the meanings as group/jamaat for the word وَلَأَمَةٌ (wala-amata) in 2:221? It will be appreciated.  
 
Secondly, verse 24/2 is not related to the group, rather it is related to the individual? Dr. Qz translates it on page 5 of his article "Zina Quran Ki Nazar Mein", " any person, male or female ... " I am not sure how did you come to this conclusion that (i) 24:2 is talking about groups and 24:3 is about individuals, (ii) there are about 30 verses in between verse 2 and 32, why one should jump so back without leaving the immediately preceding verse, such as 24:31,30,29,....? Does it make sense? Please elaborate. Thanks.

Comments by: moazzam On 30 August 2011
Dear Dawood! Thank you for indication, just verses squence order has been mistakenly interchanged, read the verses ordes 2 instead of 3 of Surah noor. Remember to keep on focused at the start of this surah is very important to comprehend the sense of the relevant matters described in the same surah.  
Therefore, the consolidation of verse 31 with3 and 32 with 2 must be observed to reach at any concluded inference.  
Let us analyze the verse 2/221, which would be helpful to understand my stance.  
وَلاَ تَنكِحُواْ الْمُشْرِكَاتِ حَتَّى يُؤْمِنَّ وَلَأَمَةٌ مُّؤْمِنَةٌ خَيْرٌ مِّن مُّشْرِكَةٍ وَلَوْ أَعْجَبَتْكُمْ وَلاَ تُنكِحُواْ الْمُشْرِكِينَ حَتَّى يُؤْمِنُواْ وَلَعَبْدٌ مُّؤْمِنٌ خَيْرٌ مِّن مُّشْرِكٍ وَلَوْ أَعْجَبَكُمْ أُوْلَـئِكَ يَدْعُونَ إِلَى النَّارِ وَاللّهُ يَدْعُوَ إِلَى الْجَنَّةِ وَالْمَغْفِرَةِ بِإِذْنِهِ وَيُبَيِّنُ آيَاتِهِ لِلنَّاسِ لَعَلَّهُمْ يَتَذَكَّرُونَ  
THE FIRST PART OF THIS VERSE IS ADDERESSING THE COLLECTIVE(GROUPS) MATTERS  
الْمُشْرِكَاتِ = the groups of Mushrikeen  
وَلَأَمَةٌ مُّؤْمِنَةٌ = A momin group, Who yet not involved in any agreement, Antonym of مُّشْرِكَةٍ (the group of Mushrik) , the sense has been taken from the same verse.  
THE SECOND PART OF THIS VERSE IS FOR INDIVIDUALS  
وَلاَ تُنكِحُواْ الْمُشْرِكِينَ = and don't arrange to make agreements of الْمُشْرِكِينَ (indivisual from group of mushrikeen)  
وَلَعَبْدٌ مُّؤْمِنٌ = And the individual obedient Momin ( no question of gender).  
خَيْرٌ مِّن مُّشْرِكٍ = Better than individual Mushrik( gender is out of question)  
The Surah Noor is also describing the individual and groups matters in verses 2 and 3 respectively same as the verses 31 and 32 of the same surah.  
لزَّانِيَةُ وَالزَّانِي فَاجْلِدُوا كُلَّ وَاحِدٍ = the indivisual ones(zani)  
الزَّانِي لَا يَنكِحُ إلَّا زَانِيَةً أَوْ مُشْرِكَةً =The indivisual's(zani) desire to make agreement with group (zani or Mushrik).  
وَالزَّانِيَةُ لَا يَنكِحُهَا إِلَّا زَانٍ أَوْ مُشْرِكٌ = The desire of group (of zani or Mushrik) to make agreement with individuals(zani or Mushrik)  
The lexicon root is "AMAT,the meaning is feebleness,weakness, Low or depressed place between two elevated portion of ground.  
Therefore i infered the sense of وَلَأَمَةٌ مُّؤْمِنَةٌ as the comparetively weak in some aspect of life (un employed/jobless) group of momins in the light of these lexiconic meanings.  
 
وَلَأَمَةٌ مُّؤْمِنَةٌ = A momin group, Who yet not involved in any agreement, Antonym of مُّشْرِكَةٍ (the group of Mushrik) , the sense has been taken from the same verse.  

Comments by: waseemameer On 31 August 2011Report Abuse
Dear brother Moazzam  
Can you tell what does that translation mean  
 
2/232  
وَإِذَا طَلَّقْتُمُ النِّسَاءَ فَبَلَغْنَ أَجَلَهُنَّ  
اور جب تم زیر نگیں افراد سے تنسیخ معاہدہ کرو اور وہ اپنے نتائج حاصل کر لیں  
 
which results they are talking about? It has been mentioned in ayat 2/234 as well  
I found out following meanings in dictionary  
 
اجل= آخرت اخروی زندگی  
مدت،عرصہ ، وقت مقرر  
 
بلغ الامر = معاملہ کا پختہ ھونا، نتیجہ خیز ھوجانا  
 
Please explain.

Comments by: moazzam On 31 August 2011 Edit Delete
Dear Waseemameer! وَإِذَا طَلَّقْتُمُ النِّسَاءَ فَبَلَغْنَ أَجَلَهُنَّ  
The time, when the execution of desolution of agreement/contract has been completed/ matured in its true sense.  
اور جب تم زیر نگیں افراد سے تنسیخ معاہدہ کرو اور وہ اپنے انجام (نتیجے) تک پہنچ جائیں

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