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TRANSLATION OF QURAN
BY DR. QAMAR ZAMAN
Translation Status
آیات
سورۃ
نمبر
1-7 الفَاتِحَة -1
1-286 البَقَرَة -2
1-200 آل عِمرَان -3
1-176 النِّسَاء -4
1-120 المَائدة -5
1-165 الاٴنعَام -6
1-206 الاٴعرَاف -7
1-75 الاٴنفَال -8
1-129 التّوبَة -9
1-109 یُونس -10
1-123 هُود -11
1-111 یُوسُف -12
1-43 الرّعد -13
1-52 إبراهیم -14
1-99 الحِجر -15
1-128 النّحل -16
1-111 بنیٓ اسرآئیل / الإسرَاء -17
1-110 الکهف -18
1-98 مَریَم -19
1-135 طٰه -20
1-112 الاٴنبیَاء -21
1-78 الحَجّ -22
1-118 المؤمنون -23
1-64 النُّور -24
1-77 الفُرقان -25
1-227 الشُّعَرَاء -26
1-93 النَّمل -27
1-88 القَصَص -28
1-69 العَنکبوت -29
1-60 الرُّوم -30
1-34 لقمَان -31
1-30 السَّجدَة -32
1-73 الاٴحزَاب -33
1-54 سَبَإ -34
1-45 فَاطِر -35
1-83 یسٓ -36
1-182 الصَّافات -37
1-88 صٓ -38
1-75 الزُّمَر -39
1-85 المؤمن / غَافر -40
1-54 حٰمٓ السجدة / فُصّلَت -41
1-54 القَمَر -54
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-Is the Quran changed?If yes,what is changed, how do we know it is changed, and what does it mean when it says no1 can change it?(i have a clue about the last one, but want to share it when i read your answers :-D)
Add Your Comments  Question by: NARGIS2 On 25 January 2011
Comments by: AlAhmer On 26 January 2011Report Abuse
Dear sister Nargis,  
Let open box of bees. I am going to throw few points of mine to get the discussion going.  
First of all, Is there a criteria agreed by academic on how to validate the authenticity of divine books? There is none exist that all worlds academic can agree on. Mostly approaches exist to invalidate the authenticity of divine book used by logicians. Lack of acceptable criteria limits us there. Mostly there are hyperbolic claims by religious people to prove validitility of divine books.  
Second, There is no reliable and verifiable historical evidence exist that can prove that there was no muddling with Quran text or there was one. We now know for sure how mostly the muddling with Quran was done through Hadiths, translations and tafsires. It is really hard to give a provable answer to question that why Quran text was not change when alternate to Quran like Hadith, translations and tafsires were used to change its message. Why not change Quran as compared to creating alternates and prove Quran is insufficient. I have not found a verifiable explanation for this. Mostly there are many theories exist about this and you can take any if that works for you.  
Third, Quran’s own claim as stated in verses 2:23-24, 10:38, 11:13, 17:88, 52:33-34 are the examples of TRANDITIONALIST use to say Allah is claiming that you can’t create Quran like this( In the sense of changing its content as challenge). Traditional point of view is that Allah is protecting Quran so it is safe. There are many arguments can be made that if Allah allowed other divine books to be corrupted why not Quran. Quran we know now is changed through translations, Hadiths and tafires etc. So this argument mostly goes against the argument presented by traditionalists.  
Now we can discuss how we verify Quran that is divine and it is very useful book for humanity.  
My “opinion” is that as human being we are not given a criterion by Allah to know how to evaluate his books. We are human with limited abilities and only given with intelligence that we can use. So how we judge other books and its contents where we verify the claims and counter claims and arguments through evidence and logic. This is the only way we can say the claims or arguments of this book are valid.  
Now our argument is that Quran is a constitution and guideline for human being to live in harmony and peace as well as prosperity. How we will validate this by using logic and evidence and experiment that these claims are valid. This is very reason our beloved Prophet implemented the system to prove that this is a workable and verifiable constitutional system.  
The claims Quran makes and challenges other to bring something similar in claims. These arguments made in Quran are so eye opening that no one can disagree even the one who disagree knows in his heart that the claims has its merits. It is mostly our own self interests that cloud our vision in regards to clarity of Quran claims. It is claim of Quran that holds the higher ground when it claims for right of others and so on.  
In my opinion Quran cannot be validated considering it as a divine book as divine book is religious term and you cannot use objectivity in religion. Quran should be evaluated and validation as a constitution and it will prove itself.  
Please share your knowledge and insight.

Comments by: Junaid On 26 January 2011Report Abuse
(-Is the Quran changed?) by NARGIS2  
 
Is it?  
Are you kidding?  
 
(i have a clue about the last one, but want to share it when i read your answers :-D) by NARGIS2  
 
Dear sister, I've already started scratching my head.  
Now will you please share it before I end up pulling 272819 hairs out of my head.

Comments by: naeem sheikh On 26 January 2011Report Abuse
Dear Alahmar ! I appreciate your logical approach and advocacy, to prove the validity of Qura'n,.........................."Now we can discuss how we verify Quran that is divine and it is very useful book for humanity.  
So how we judge other books and its contents where we verify the claims and counter claims and arguments through evidence and logic. This is the only way we can say the claims or arguments of this book are valid.  
Now our argument is that Quran is a constitution and guideline for human being to live in harmony and peace as well as prosperity. How we will validate this by using logic and evidence and experiment that these claims are valid. This is very reason our beloved Prophet implemented the system to prove that this is a workable and verifiable constitutional system.  
The claims Quran makes and challenges other to bring something similar in claims. These arguments made in Quran are so eye opening that no one can disagree even the one who disagree knows in his heart that the claims has its merits" (Alahmar)...........................Brother, i personally don't agree with your statement ,that, "This is very reason our beloved Prophet implemented the system to prove that this is a workable and verifiable constitutional system.  
“Because this statement itself has question mark on its validity”  

Comments by: moazzam On 26 January 2011
Sister Nargis ! Ask them to validate their claim, that ,Qura'n is not a divine book, it is changed or changable by any one.

Comments by: momin On 26 January 2011Report Abuse
 
You all dare to discuss very sensitive topics here. That is very nice, courageous and bold action.  
 
In my opinion we can not prove that Quran is unchanged unless we believe in traditional understanding  
 
of relevant ayats ,2:23-24, 10:38, 11:13, 17:88, 52:33-34. Now let us see how you prove it otherwise.  
 
Dear Moazem either accept traditional faith or think. We have already discussed divinity and Wahi, I  
 
wonder what do you mean by divinity here. Is it something supernatural and some supernatural  
 
arrangements are made for its protection??. Than why reject traditionalist? This is what they say.  
 
The problem with us is unclear minds and held beliefs. Mr. Bader has given his views on this  
 
subject in another thread.  
 
I have given my views with no intention to offend or defend. Please ignore if it makes no sense to you.  

Comments by: moazzam On 26 January 2011
Dear Momin ! Divine book means, the book through same media of wahy which we have discussed under its topic at other thread.While proving validity of Qura'n, we should avoid to put any reference or proof from the book being validated.

Comments by: AlAhmer On 26 January 2011Report Abuse
So bees are out of the box, we will try to bring them back in the box. Too many questions just in few hours it is hard to manage those. Understanding that this discussion will at the end only discuss the source and mechanism of transmission of Quran as compared to Can Quran hold up to a scrutiny? I have read Brother Bader’s and Akhter Sherazi as well as Allama Ghulam Ahmed Pervez arguments in addition to other religions arguments. Nothing new!!  
No one is explaining wahi in a common man language if you can’t explain to a common man it is of no value. Person has to answer what a primitive Arab would understand at the time of Prophet. I bet you could not win the argument that Quran is divine just because I say so and book say so even back then. Saying it is miracle and trying to prove it is miracle you will not have success as you have to show that miracle happening to all the people who doubt that. If that was an easy task then all humanity should been believing not just Quran but other divine books and there should not be a religious issues anymore.  
Secondly as brother moazzam is flipping the question around and asking prove that Quran is not divine. Its mean brother moazzam has a prove that Quran is divine and we will all agree without doubt on the prove he will provide. I don’t think so. Not a challenge to my dear brother moazzam.  
Here is my question what satisfaction we will get saying that book is divine what good we will achieve for humanity. Will that make humanity to accept that more than other books.We can waste all our energy proving the divinity of a book as compared to the content and applicability of its content. I agree with brother Momin that you just can’t prove a book divinity source as your theory will always be challenged and not everyone will agree. Then we will again have the same divisions as we have now. Momin is right it is our long held belief that book has to be divine in order for us to believe it. Why can’t we just live with a notion that it is a book with some very good advice and we will adopt good advice after pondering over it, just as we adopt good advice out of many other books we read in our life.  
This is our traditionalist brain wash that compel us to consider a Quran as divine as compared to it has some good ideas that could be beneficial for us. This is it no divinity to proves and nothing to fiddle about. No new sects to create and no new believers to make.  
So I will not try to prove Quran divinity in this discussion and neither will I try to prove a circular logic to confuse people to accept something. My stand is that it is just a book , its source unknow, its writer anonymous, It has some good content that I will adopt as I learn and adopted many other things out of other books. This is the reason I was commenting that Quran content should hold its own grounds under scrutiny.  
If we like to argue on the content, I am all for it and let talk about it.  

Comments by: AlAhmer On 26 January 2011Report Abuse
Bother Naeem. I like to take back my statement as I have no prove that if there was system existed based on Quran consititution. Same as I have no prove that Prohphet existed or not. It is the brainwash that comes in way sometimes.

Comments by: Mubashir Syed On 26 January 2011Report Abuse
Dear AlAhmer, Please find link where in Concept of WAHI was discussed at length.  
 
http://www.aastana.com/blog/aastanablog.asp?MID=4&SID=40&QID=788&MSG=  
 
Let me quote a comment which was posted in above link with my current understanding of WAHI.  
 
( As per my understanding until now, Prophets were intellects of their era's who were in search of a concept to establish a system which can bring peace and enhancement of human kind. And they might have looked all the possibilities to extract the message for humanity and conclusion of research is WAHI.  
WAHI IN SIMPLE WORDS I think is conclusive message based on research. Like Quran( Message of Quran) in our hands is WAHI and we need to research Quran to get maximum WAHI out of it )  
 
And for your above post I absolutely agree with you. I personally feel this Noble and divine line of thought process will lead us to real ISLAM where in you don’t have to prove anything which u cant. With my understanding until now ISLAM will never say, ask anything which cant be proved.( my assumption).  
 
 
For existence of Prophet Mohammad based on Universal History and not traditional biased history…….what say? I think Humans have got written history of existence of all great Personalities from 10,000 BC (correct me if am wrong).  
 
Note: Message of ISLAM is very simple its only our pre conceived ideologies makes it tough.  
 
Please post back to improve or correct my current understanding………..  
 
Thanks,  
Mubashir Syed.  

Comments by: momin On 26 January 2011Report Abuse
Dear ALAhmer,  
 
I totally agree with you when you say,  
 
"My stand is that it is just a book , its source unknow, its writer anonymous, It has some good content that I will  
adopt as I learn and adopted many other things out of other books".  
 
The concepts given in the book must be put to scrutiny and criticized fearlessly if necessary. linguists,  
expert in lexicon,calling themselves as scholars must give rational answers instead of keeping people  
quite with authority of divine decree,which at least I have failed to comprehend. Than we say it is beyond  
time and space , how can a book be beyond time and space? Yes , certain things may be and a part of it  
may not be. This thing should also be proved. But sorry to say it is also taken as faith. Than everything is  
force ably proved beyond time and space. Isn't this approach also religious? For example, women are  
required to observe "Purda" but there was a time when human beings had not invented cloth. Language  
is also in time and space ??? The book is certainly in the language which is so difficult to understand now.  
It is said that Quran only talks about life before death and not about life after death. Than all the verses  
where death and life is discussed are interpreted accordingly.  
 
 
WE APPROACH THE BOOK WITH PRECONCEIVED IDEAS.  
 

Comments by: Junaid On 27 January 2011Report Abuse
Salaam;  
 
What is Quran? Is it a book or is it a divine revelation? Are the contents same as they were 1400 years ago?  
Those who say it has been changed, whats their proof? And those who say it's unchanged, Can they provide solid proofs based on facts and not just their belief?  
 
What is WAHY? How can someone say anything about WAHI without personally experiencing it?  
On what basis this term has been explained?  
 
Traditional translations says that Quran is a book that deals only in eating and drinking, washing and cleaning, sleeping with various categories of women within or without the marital bonds, executions, amputations and lashes etc. Why do we believe that traditional interpretation is incorrect? (Any proofs?)  
 
On what basis are we saying that Quran is a charter for humanity, a constitution and a guideline for peace and harmony? (Any solid evidences?)  
 
Quran is a constitution meant to be followed collectively and not individually. Why so?  
 
Or it's not a constitution and it can be implemented and followed individually. Why so?  
 
Why can't I create my own world and follow what I think Quran says?  
 
Why do I need others to follow me?  
 
Why do we need a welfare state to implement this charter for humanity?  
 
Can we provide an example or an evidence that a welfare state based on the concepts of peace, harmony, growth, and development ever existed?  
 
If not, then why do we need a book that guides us to a path which has never been followed?  
 
Who will follow the book and how?  
 
Why a utopia? And why not ground realities?  
 
Copy rights, patent rights etc. Where is freedom?  
 
Human beings are animals. In fact they are something even worst than animals coz at least animals still follow their basic instincts and can co-exist. Mankind can think of nothing except suppression, transgression and subjugation. Exploitation of others is a common practice. Every nation is planning to control all the resources and to deprive others. I think we are almost on the edge but no one is least worried.  
 
Look at those Freemasons, Zionists and Roman Catholics who control our economies and our governments.  
 
Look at those priests, Rabbis, Mullahs who control our minds and our hearts.  
 
Where in this world is peace and where in this world is harmony?  
 
Where is growth and where is development?  
 
Where is that system we are talking about?  
 
Where was that system we are talking about?  
 
Do we think it's possible to bring something out of nowhere and make 3 billion idiots to start following us?  
 
Who will do something which was never done before? How will it happen?  
 
Please note that we are talking about knowledge, proof and reason.  
No assumptions, no fake history, no faiths, no beliefs and no hypothesis.  
 
Can anyone prove anything with solid evidence?  
 
Please don't think I am saying all this out of my frustration.  
I am saying this coz I need to distinguish knowledge and belief.  
Can anyone answer my questions strictly on the basis of knowledge?  

Comments by: momin On 27 January 2011Report Abuse
My Dear Junaid,  
 
Regards, You have beaten all previous records of asking brain storming questions asked so for  
on this blog. That is the way of learning. You are a real thinker. Your questions are an eye opener for  
everyone having some Grey matter.  
 
I understand your noble intention. The book is certainly most dear to us. Perhaps we have not reached  
the depths of its understanding.  
 
It may not be the way we interpret and it may be what we failed to comprehend. There is something wrong  
somewhere certainly. People also say it is an expired medicine.

Comments by: AlAhmer On 27 January 2011Report Abuse
Great job brother Junaid you unloaded whole mother load. In a good sense. I think you had it enough up to now and you like answers as there are few answers and whole a lot of questions. I think it is worth addressing to some degree each of your questions at least in a clear sense rather than in vague sense.  
One thing to remember, this is the first ever public forum where you are able to ask these questions without being tabooed and punished. It has not happen this way before.  
Second these questions were in the mind of many learned person like yourself but no one allow them to do the research and find answers. I asked similar questions 20 years ago to one of my comparative religion class Ph.d Professor and he told me no one likes to touch Moslim faith due to the grave danger to there work or life. Lack of arabic language skills and historical evidences. This is still true today.  
Third Islam that we know today is a RELIGION not a system of governance. It is being kept as religion as far back as we can trace it back and the sources you depend on are all muslim sources and without doubt it present it as RELIGION.  
If we are expecting that after a right translation of Quran by Dr Qamar, we will have our Ah Ha moment. We should not bet on that. It will create more questions than answers. So why we are here just to find if there is a hope as we have lost hope.  
Quran message how it should be summed up and what we will understand from it after a good enough translation is yet to be determine. I am waiting as other as well. We will close this chapter once we have that understanding.  
No one serious enough go and find morality in Bible and governance. It is the religious zealots that need this connection to enslave people.  
May be we can start from one question at a time to further this discussion. Brother Junaid you start with one and tell us what your opinion and research is and we can pitch in of what we know at least it will be a good record for us down the road.

Comments by: momin On 27 January 2011Report Abuse
 
I request Mr Abdun and Mr Bader too , to address the questions asked by Mr Junaid.

Comments by: moazzam On 27 January 2011
Dear Participants ! All TRUTH have same, source, including Laws of nature (explored or hidden so far) in any discipline of life, we may call it the divine source. The Quranic term WAHY is already discussed in details in other thread of this blog (entirely different inference than the usual belief of religious cult) As there are so many books (might be 100%collections of truth) available today, let be confined in the field of humanities, one of them (according to my understanding with limitation) is Alktab (Qura’n), where I don’t find any wrong yet. So I invited every calamity, who disagrees with me, to point out any wrong in this book I also believe that any book having errors (proved) will not be called divine ( plz not to take term divine in religious sense). The following analogy, I may like to put here, to explain my version in this regard.  
 
The status of ocean, in comparison with rivers is the same as the status of Alkitab in comparison with other man written books (collection of truth).So H2O used for the benefit of man kind from either one will be called water.  
Dear Brother Alahmar you are very right that, Why can’t we just live with a notion that it is a book with some very good advice and we will adopt good advice after pondering over it, just as we adopt good advice out of many other books we read in our life.  
Mind ! All rivers falls in ocean, but ocean never falls in river.  

Comments by: Junaid On 27 January 2011Report Abuse
Salaam;  
 
(The Quranic term WAHY is already discussed in details in other thread of this blog (entirely different inference than the usual belief of religious cult) by moazzam  
 
Brother moazzam, either you have not seen my question above or you are in a mood to ignore it completely.  
Anyway please allow me to repeat my statement.  
Whoever shared his/her experience on WAHY, whether it's our Mullahs or modern scholars, how can they describe something they never experienced?  
On what basis are you saying that the discussion on this forum regarding WAHY is based on truth?  
On what basis are you saying that usual belief of religious cult is wrong?  
 
As I said earlier on;  
No assumptions, no fake history, no faiths, no beliefs and no hypothesis.  
The questions needs to be answered strictly on the basis of knowledge and evidence.  

Comments by: aurangzaib On 27 January 2011Report Abuse
Dear Brother Junaid,  
 
I am puzzled by the diversity and the enormous amount of your questions, but still would love to give logical answers. Personally I feel easier to write short answers rather than attempting a full thesis. My spirit behind it is to try to soothe your feelings of deep concern and a total hopelessness that I can readily perceive from your writings in different threads. So here I take a start by taking everything just lightly, with of course an optimistic view, because it is only hope that sustains life in the present doomsday scenario.  
 
Q. What is Quran? Is it a book or is it a divine revelation?  
A. It is Book that calls itself Divine and a Code of Conduct/guidance for humanity.  
 
Q. Are the contents same as they were 1400 years ago? Those who say it has been changed, what is their proof? And those who say it is unchanged, can they provide solid proofs based on facts and not just their belief?  
A. Whatever people may say, is not important. What’s important is the historical fact of its physical existence; its copies do exist and they date back to Caliph Uthman, a contemporary of Prophet Mohammad, and that continuity of existence is an undeniably solid proof of its accuracy and authenticity.  
 
Q. What is WAHY? How can someone say anything about WAHI without personally experiencing it? On what basis this term has been explained?  
A. WAHY, according to the Book where it is defined, is a secret way of divine communication. That’s all it tells. People may have tried to explain this phenomenon, but we are not required to believe those people.  
 
Q. Traditional translations says that Quran is a book that deals only in eating and drinking, washing and cleaning, sleeping with various categories of women within or without the marital bonds, executions, amputations and lashes etc. Why do we believe that traditional interpretation is incorrect? (Any proofs?)  
A. With the increase in knowledge, some people have started looking into Quranic texts with alternate angles and their academic research is bringing into light new meanings which they maintain must be the original meanings, hitherto kept hidden by vested interests.  
 
Q. On what basis are we saying that Quran is a charter for humanity, a constitution and a guideline for peace and harmony? (Any solid evidences?)  
A. On the basis of the values, principles and ideals that Quran ordains.  
 
Q. Quran is a constitution meant to be followed collectively and not individually. Why so?  
A. Common sense. Admitted fact. For any ideology to produce results, it must be followed collectively.  
 
Q. Or it's not a constitution and it can be implemented and followed individually. Why so?  
A. See reply above.  
 
Q. Why can't I create my own world and follow what I think Quran says?  
Why do I need others to follow me?  
A. You are not living alone in this world and it is an inter-dependent society. Unless you bring at least your immediate neighbours in line with your pattern of living, yours will be a miserably failed living.  
 
Q. Why do we need a welfare state to implement this charter for humanity?  
A. We don’t need it. It will automatically create one. It is designed to create one.  
 
Q. Can we provide an example or an evidence that a welfare state based on the concepts of peace, harmony, growth, and development ever existed?  
A. For that evidence you will have to believe in the Book which refers to the existence of such societies under the command of Prophets.  
 
Q. If not, then why do we need a book that guides us to a path which has never been followed?  
A. We need a book for remembering what we have to follow. We can’t learn by heart all the details of guidance.  
 
Q. Who will follow the book and how?  
A. Those who will be convinced of its promised results and will acquire power to rule.  
 
Q. Why a utopia? And why not ground realities?  
A. Utopia is idealism. Ideals are the pre-requisites to formulate ground realities. Without ideals, one is perspective-less.  
 
Q. Copy rights, patent rights etc. Where is freedom?  
A. Freedom has to be worked for and earned. It doesn’t come cheap.  
 
Q. Human beings are animals. In fact they are something even worst than animals coz at least animals still follow their basic instincts and can co-exist. Mankind can think of nothing except suppression, transgression and subjugation. Exploitation of others is a common practice. Every nation is planning to control all the resources and to deprive others. I think we are almost on the edge but no one is least worried.  
A. Man is also animal and is honestly following his basic instincts like animals. Unfortunately his basic instincts are horrible as you have detailed.  
 
Q. Look at those Freemasons, Zionists and Roman Catholics who control our economies and our governments.  
A. We should not just look at them. We must try to acquire those qualities that they have. Alternatively, we should not envy them.  
 
Q. Look at those priests, Rabbis, Mullahs who control our minds and our hearts.  
A. Why can’t we also do the same? Become united to have Power to do that.  
 
Q. Where in this world is peace and where in this world is harmony?  
A. If there is no ‘absolute’ peace, there still is comparative peace in many countries around the world. Watch the current affairs reports. On state level, there is substantial harmony among the European Union states.  
 
Q. Where is growth and where is development?  
A. There is lots of growth and development. Depends upon what your concept of them is.  
 
Q. Where is that system we are talking about?  
A. In part in many western countries. Fully, nowhere yet. Humanity needs further lessons to be perfect.  
 
Q. Where was that system we are talking about?  
A. Now in archaeology, perhaps. The Book says it has existed many times.  
 
Q. Do we think it's possible to bring something out of nowhere and make 3 billion idiots to start following us?  
A. Permanent universal values won’t come out of nowhere. They exist everywhere. 6 billion idiots will decide about following them, with great difficulty. It’s not an easy undertaking.  
 
Q. Who will do something which was never done before? How will it happen?  
A. Too many things are being done now which were never done before. Nothing is impossible in the present age.  
 
Q. Please note that we are talking about knowledge, proof and reason.  
No assumptions, no fake history, no faiths, no beliefs and no hypothesis.  
A. Knowledge is a limitless field. We cannot even define it properly. Philosophers are trying for many thousand years.  
 
Q. Can anyone prove anything with solid evidence?  
A. Many things have been proved with solid evidence. Which ones you are suggesting?  
 
Q. Please don't think I am saying all this out of my frustration.  
I am saying this coz I need to distinguish knowledge and belief.  
Can anyone answer my questions strictly on the basis of knowledge?  
A. Your denial is not enough to hide your frustration. From your writings I know your quest well. Your deep sincere concerns have driven you to negative sentimentalism because you see no light at the end of the tunnel. But this catharsis of yours will greatly help.  
 
God bless you.  
 

Comments by: Junaid2 On 27 January 2011Report Abuse
Salaam;  
 
Dear brother aurangzaib, once again thank you for enlightening me with your esteemed vision.  
Your optimism and your replies, by all means can be considered as "awesome".  
However, there is one misunderstanding which I would like to clear;  
 
You said;  
(your feelings of deep concern and a total hopelessness that I can readily perceive from your writings in different threads.) by aurangzaib  
 
No brother, it's not hopelessness. I was just trying to bring out all the questions that I had in my mind so that I could share my point of view. Let me assure you that I am not depressed and I have not lost my hope.  
 
Please allow me to share my understanding;  
 
I believe that my parents are my parents. My father is actually my father and my mother is actually my mother.  
I have never asked them for a proof in form of DNA test to verify their claim :)  
In fact no one has ever asked his/her parents for such thing!  
When I can have faith, without any legitimate proof that my parents are actually my parents, why can't I have a faith in Quran being the divine message from Allah.  
Of course I have the same kind of faith in Quran as I believe that I am the legitimate son of my parents.  
 
I could've said this before posting my queries but my statement wouldn't have carried much weight in it.  
There are certain things which needs to be accepted without investigation and without logical evidences.  
 
WAHI is not illogical. Please read verses (52:02 to 52:09) and that will provide sufficient description of WAHI.  
 
(A. There is lots of growth and development. Depends upon what your concept of them is. ) by aurangzaib  
 
Let me share the concept of fiat money so that you could understand where the world (Including the so called European Union) is heading. Please note that this is not a hypothesis, rather my statements are backed up with my professional research. (I am a business/financial analyst and I have done extensive research on conventional as well as the "so called" Dummy Islamic Banking)  
 
As I have mentioned Bretton Woods system in one of my posts, the system has de-linked all the currencies from Gold and linked them to US Dollar.  
Banks print money, and lend it (on interest) to governments or people, generating economic activities.  
The other option is fractional reserve banking where people deposit their money at bank in form of demand deposits and the bank lends it out, keeping a reserve of lets say 20% to meet any withdrawal demands.  
 
Just for an example,  
Lets say A bank prints 1000 Dollars and lends 500 to government and 500 to public on an agreement that they would return the amount with 25% interest after 1 year. Now we can see that the total amount of printed notes was 1000 Dollars. Where would the interest come from? 1000 dollars issued and 1250 to be returned, where this excess amount of 250 will come from? Obviously the bank will print more notes. Now this printing and circulation of fiat money does nothing but saturating the existing system, disturbing current price indexes and generating inflation. Banks demand collateral to secure the loans and and they create situations where borrowers gets default and lose their properties placed as collaterals. This is how banks work.  
On the other hand lets assume 5 depositors placed 5000 Dollars at a bank in form of demand deposit. The bank lends 4000 Dollars keeping 1000 as fractional reserve. What will happen if all 5 depositors come back to withdraw all their money? Where will this money come from?  
 
Printing fiat money, regulating economies using "Quantitative Easing", saturating the existing system (already suffering with inflation), disturbing Price Indexes, confiscating properties pledged in form of collateral, This is banking and this is how world's economies are working. (EU is also the signatory of Bretton Woods treaty)  
More printing of money means more more demand for avenues to spend and those avenues are created in form of wars. Cold War, Iraq war, and now 9-11 are all examples of the dirty game being played. While there are only few beneficiaries, the whole world is suffering.  
This artificial economic system will ultimately get collapsed and the result will be worst than we could expect.  
 
Where is Growth and development? Now would you mind answering my question again?  
 
Quran gives us a real solution to the problem;  
 
1: Usury (anything in access of human energy or labor invested) should be discontinued.  
2: Return of labor to be something of intrinsic value i.e. Gold, Silver or any other precious metal.  
3: Surplus earning by individuals to be utilized to meet the basic needs of those who cannot earn (due to any reason) and in further growth and development.  
4: Central Repository (Bait ul Maal) to be maintained by honest government officials (Shura) who could collect the surplus income from individuals and distribute it according to the needs plus spend it on public and social works.  
 
Who is following this system? Who knows about this system?  
Who is ready to leave exploitation of others?  
Who is willing to contribute in growth and development?  
 
Any answers?  
 
 
 

Comments by: AlAhmer On 27 January 2011Report Abuse
Just to going back to the original question that sister Nirgas asked. Following link provide you a best summary of oldest Quran and its carbon dating etc.  
http://www.theholybook.org/content/view/6247/12/  
Considering the fact of carbon date provide you a probability of possible time span it still proves the oldest copy of Quran. It has not changed since then there were many Hadith books written, many Imam came and went and left thousands of books but the source of this is this that we can relate back to.  
Now questions remain who was writing those? who was the emperor and what is wahy, what is divine, is it divine, is good discussions. The simple approach is to read this book considering it as the oldest Islamic book and let its content with proper translation stands its ground under scrutiny of learned ones like all of you. Some will object and some will accept. If there is something good and useful, we will use it and if it is not then we can leave it. Don't be a religious Mullah either to take all or nothing. Its not going to be answer to everything.  
Who does not want to find out what is hidden in this oldest book so let find it consider it is our historical asset nothing else.

Comments by: moazzam On 27 January 2011
Dear Junaid ! Please read my inference about the revelation (wahy),and correct me if wrong. let me reproduce it "To know the NATURE vs WAHY we must know the WAHY it self ,in my opinions this is nothing more than the concieving of ideas in a thinkers mind while observing the laws of nature. If the concieved idea,could be implemented for the betterment of mankind , it falls in the category of wahi from ALLAH (the prophethood is also based at this principle which deals in the SOCIOLOGY).The prophets has some especial qualities as written in verse 2/129( mind the defference between the NABI and RASOOL).If the concieved idea while observing the laws of nature,is against the humanity by any aspect then it is WAHY from SHAITAN, see the verses 22/52,41/36,20/120,18/63,2/36,23/95.Als see the quranic verses where the sentences YUREED ASHAITAN,ASHAITAN O YAAMUROKUM comes for example in verses4/60,5/98,2/268.This process of wahy is still going on and will be continued due to SUNNATULLAH . The quranic terminologies ELHAM,and ALQAA are also from the category of wahy,please need not to confused for TANZEEL AL KITAB ,it would be better to be discussed later.For more clarity of my views i woulkd like to refer you at the Dr.Qamars post as given under "There are different levels of consciousness. I am writing with my clear mind it is the conscious level. If i am hit and I lose my consciousness I become unconscious. I recall some incidences consciously it is memory. But if I respond reflexly to a similar event wich has happened in my life before without recalling my memory , it is from my subconcious level.  
 
It has three stages.  
1. You are not sleeping and doing things without recalling your memory it is areflex action.  
2. You are sleeping and you see yourself doing things it is dream  
3. You are neither sleeping nor doing things reflexly but you are interpreting your experiences, knowledge, observations and actions of  
your past and of others and you are visualising the laws of nature then you are a genius and you can predict the fate of a nation. You can warn a nation against the disaster they are heading to or you can predict their bright and prosperous future.  
This faculty to learn from the nature is, when nature comes so close to a human being that all hidden secrets start opening up.The person and nature becomes like two bows together (Sura 53 Verse 9).  
 
At this stage Nature starts revealing himself and THIS IS WAHI." YES IT DOES WORK IN RELATION TO THE LAWS OF NATURE.

Comments by: Junaid2 On 27 January 2011Report Abuse
Salaam;  
 
(my inference about the revelation (wahy),and correct me if wrong.) by moazzam  
 
Dear Brother Moazzam; Who am I to correct you? I am no one! I am nothing! Nothing at all.  
My knowledge is so inadequate, my intellect is so restricted, my analysis are so imperfect!  
 
How can I correct you?  
 
Yes but one thing I can say for sure;  
I cannot disagree with whatever you wrote!  
 
(93:07) Did He not find you looking for guidance, and showed you the way.

Comments by: momin On 28 January 2011Report Abuse
Dear Moazzam,  
 
This time you have more clearly explained your concept of "WAHI". Of course your concept contradicts  
traditional concept, but it is more conceivable and understandable and can solve many problems. Glaring points  
are as you mentioned in your post.  
 
1."this is nothing more than the concieving of ideas in a thinkers mind while observing the laws of nature. If the  
concieved idea,could be implemented for the betterment of mankind , it falls in the category of wahi from ALLAH"  
 
2."If the concieved idea while observing the laws of nature,is against the humanity by any aspect then it is WAHY  
from SHAITAN, see the verses 22/52,41/36,20/120,18/63,2/36,23/95."  
 
3."This process of wahy is still going on and will be continued due to SUNNATULLAH"  
 
4."The quranic terminologies ELHAM,and ALQAA are also from the category of wahy,"  
 
 
These are very important concepts. Here I would like to appreciate what brother ALAhmer has said as under,  
 
"The simple approach is to read this book considering it as the oldest Islamic book and let its content with  
proper translation stands its ground under scrutiny of learned ones like all of you. Some will object and some  
will accept. If there is something good and useful, we will use it and if it is not then we can leave it. "  
 
Let us think on these points. These are revolutionary ideas and we can get out of chains of traditional thinkig  
and create a new world.

Comments by: aurangzaib On 28 January 2011Report Abuse
Dear Brother Junaid, (Moazzam),  
 
My pleasure to know you more closely through your latest post. Happy to know you are an economist. My main subject in my first graduation was also Economics and I have a commerce qualification too from the old Haily College of Commerce of the Panjab University.  
 
Paper money, “fiat money” as you modern economists may call it, had to be introduced to facilitate transactions in an ever growing trade and commerce scenario in the modern times. Big pools of money, the banks, were established to meet the ever growing demand of cash flow for the big industrial/commercial complexes.  
 
Ruling democracies were supposed to observe close vigilance and strict controls upon the workings of these financial institutions, in the perspective of greater benefit of different classes of public.  
 
Then it so happened, my dear, that the monster of capitalism grew in size and power and it attracted and engulfed the ruling classes into its fold. With the unholy alliance of “Democratic Rulers” and the Capitalist Mafia, the same financial institutions turned into exploitation centres and the easy paper money started being used to deprive people of their actual assets – it became a fiat money as you call it.  
 
In their essence, fiat money and the banking institutions were beneficial elements of the modern society. But the ever growing greed, moral decay, temptation for quick gains, apathy, tyranny, etc. turned them into capitalistic monsters.  
 
With that preamble, I revert to your post. You wrote :  
 
 
“Quran gives us a real solution to the problem;  
 
1: Usury (anything in access of human energy or labor invested) should be discontinued.  
2: Return of labor to be something of intrinsic value i.e. Gold, Silver or any other precious metal.  
3: Surplus earning by individuals to be utilized to meet the basic needs of those who cannot earn (due to any reason) and in further growth and development.  
4: Central Repository (Bait ul Maal) to be maintained by honest government officials (Shura) who could collect the surplus income from individuals and distribute it according to the needs plus spend it on public and social works.”  
 
And then your Questions with my answers are :  
 
Q. Who is following this system? Who knows about this system?  
A. No one is following this system in honesty. All people from economic field know about this system. Those who wish to enforce this system, terribly need to acquire POWER.  
 
Q. Who is ready to leave exploitation of others?  
A. No tyrant has ever been ready to give up exploitation. Their power has to be smashed with equal or more POWER.  
 
Q. Who is willing to contribute in growth and development?  
A. All the Quranics are willing to fight for that cause. They need LEADERS who may steer them up the ladder of POWER. No movement can be successful without LEADERS. No leaders can implement their convictions without acquiring the SEATS OF POWER AND AUTHORITY.  
 
And NOW, for your good self and for Brother Moazzam, I quote the absolute Divine Injunction in favour of my standpoint :-  
 
الَّذِينَ إِن مَّكَّنَّاهُمْ فِي الْأَرْضِ أَقَامُوا الصَّلَاةَ وَآتَوُا الزَّكَاةَ وَأَمَرُوا بِالْمَعْرُوفِ وَنَهَوْا عَنِ الْمُنكَرِ ۗ وَلِلَّـهِ عَاقِبَةُ الْأُمُورِ ﴿٤١﴾  
 
That is 22/41, my dear. It asserts that “they can only implement God’s rule, they can only establish a benevolent society, and they can only enforce virtues and prevent vices---------IF AND WHEN------THEY ARE ENABLED TO INSTAL THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT/AUTHORITY.”  
 
And SIR, the only legitimate, peaceful and recognized way to establish your rule IS the modern democratic way through a Political Platform. All other ways are illegal, disastrous, blood-letting and damaging to life and property. Until now, unfortunately, Quranics have been sitting on their desks, often with their P.C.s, and passing valuable time in rhetoric. I agree, dissemination of Quranic knowledge is one of the faculties that must continue doing its work. But above all, we needed actual field work; and we continued neglecting it criminally.  
 
All of us need a complete unity and absolute dedication. Search for MALAAIKA (leaders) must continue unabated.  
 
God bless you.  
 
 
 

Comments by: Junaid2 On 28 January 2011Report Abuse
Salaam;  
 
Brother aurangzaib, I am so glad to hear that you have a good understanding of economics and you are quite aware of the facts regarding fiat money. Your statement regarding involvement of ruling class into the bad game of capitalist economic system is somewhat true, however there has been constant resistance throughout.  
 
Following statement from Abraham Lincoln is an example;  
 
"The money power preys upon the nation in time of peace and conspires against it in times of adversity. It is more despotic than monarchy, more insolent than autocracy, more selfish than bureaucracy. I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me, and causes me to tremble for the safety of our country. Corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the republic is destroyed." By Abraham Lincoln  
 
I would request you to go through the concepts of "Fractional reserve banking" and it's history which will give You an idea as to how this fiat money was introduced to our economy. Please also read about "Bretton Woods treaty" and then "Nixon Shock", which will give you some idea of the dirty game being played by the criminal banking mafia. (You can easily find all this information on internet)  
 
Dear brother, I would like to request you to please share your valued comments on my research regarding Islamic concept of economy. Before I start sharing the technical aspects of my research to answer Brother Mubashir's questions, I would like you to please join us on the following discussion thread;  
 
http://www.aastana.com/blog/aastanablog.asp?QID=663#COM4129  
 
Just to let you know that my research is based on theoretical approach and it needs a lot of improvement which is only possible after a thorough examination and cross questioning. Your participation will be a great help :)

Comments by: aurangzaib On 28 January 2011Report Abuse
Dear Brother Junaid,  
 
No wonder what Abraham Lincoln feared has come true. The world is on the verge of disaster on account of endless greed of Capitalist Mafia that is now in league with the Ruling Mafias. And yes, they keep providing fuel to people's prejudices in order to make their obnoxious ends meet.  
 
But Abraham Lincoln's time was old time. Capitalist leaders then were honest and conscientious. They cared for their people and craved for their well being and progress. That's why they had serious concerns about "Big Money"'s manipulative powers, and they feared their complete dominance. The leaders now, as I have asserted, are in total harmony with the Capitalist Mafia. This fact alone is responsible for the upcoming economic disaster.  
 
But this is what the Capitalism is all about. It is high time the Quranists entered the ARENA and start trying their best to contest for the seats of POWER. They need less exposure and more diplomacy, and a concerted effort to reach the grass roots where the downtrodden masses wait for them eagerly. They are at the brink of death by hunger and face total deprivation and are more than willing to sacrifice their lives to save their younger generations. They are already selling their limbs and their offspring in return for a meager few months livelihood.  
 
It is the field work that brings results in its wake. Table work does but little in this respect.  
 
I know almost all about modern banking. It was one of my subjects in Commerce and much later, in International Trade. Would love to study as you suggested. And then would be happy to contribute my little 2 penny (Brother Mubashir) in your referred Aastana link above.  
 
Best of luck.

Comments by: bob On 30 January 2011Report Abuse
Salaam everyone, I find it problematical to put my thoughts into words on the topic of God wahy and imperviousness of the book in opposition to the odds of being changed. Ill gives it a shot anyway and hopes I manage to articulate myself reasonably.  
 
The Quran states That God can not be comprehended (6:103) this leads us on to the absentmindedness of how Wahy were put into words and then transmitted to the recipient. Two questions are brought to our concentration: - how is it conveyed and how is it received?  
 
Maybe we should throw some light on the question with reference to 6:103, why we can not understand God? Are we equipped with such resources at all?  
 
I can try to illustrate 6:103 “Why we can’t understand God” with an example.  
 
Hypothetically, let’s say I manufacture a computer appended with the indispensable elements in it so it is capable to receive the signals I send out with a keyboard. I have generated the computer with an inner configuration structured to understand signals like letters, numbers, words, sentences and so on. The computer can only function with the help of the by now accessible inner constructions I’ve put together. It distinguish A B C D and 1 2 3 4 through its incorporated functions. But I can not come into the computer and become a part of it in physical form, because it is created by components made of substances I’m not made of.  
 
In other words, I can not have a conversation in a straight line with the computer; I can not transfer my human emotions to it. We can say that the computer is physical and its creator is metaphysical. The computer can not understand my language, my emotions, my structure, but I know how it works and how it will act in response and proceed as a result of the implanted components.  
 
If we then turn ourselves to the initial question about understanding God, we then empathize thatGod can not be comprehended for the reason that he is not physically created like the universe and everything in it. Our intellect is designed to grasp only the physical surrounded system and its existing bits and pieces available to our senses.  
 
God is not physical, thus metaphysical, so he can not have a direct conversation with the Rusool’s, because they are a part of the Physical establishment. Just like the computer.  
 
Then how is God communicating and passing on wahy to the Rusool’s?  
 
Well, would you accept my example illustrated above about the built-in apparatus of the computer? Then ill proceed, Wahy is “placed” in the physical universe to be revealed and discovered by the physical beings that are equipped with some special qualities mentioned by dear brother Moazzam with the reference to 2:129. (Also see Dr Qamar and brother Moazzam’s answer under the question of wahy)  
 
So what is wahy and why is it important?  
 
Wahy is the podium any gifted individual need to arise a know-how expertise to accomplish innovative zeniths of Homo sapiens. This manifesto is a protective anti-virus program to save from harm against the "virus”in our mental power that causes any type of obstruction leading to stagnation.  
 
I.e. it's an anthology of universal laws and teaching about outcomes of actions that will endow with a psychologically and physically evenly balanced end-product to human beings no matter when and where they live. In view of the fact that human beings are constructed of the same machinery and they are the same species even though they are positioned on different places and times, their common feature will enable them to move to the front or behind. For example, the truth will always be the truth not considering whether it is year 0 or 8000, an assassin is an assassin whether he is an Indian or an Aborigine, erudition mechanism to be enable for a contribution to growth of yourself and the society will remain the same all over the world to all times, it doesn’t matter if you live at the north or south pole.  
 
How is it handed on to the Rusool’s?  
 
These laws are organized in a way to only communicate with a receiver who has endowed himself through effort, with the capabilities predominantly to interpret His own and others' experience and understanding, with ability to elucidate comprehensive realization and knowledge, surveillance of actions and their outcomes in the past of human beings, and then visualize them in context with the laws of nature and their succeeding outcomes.  
 
In that way, he can envisage the providence of a nation. He may advise and make people aware of the disaster they are heading towards, and then help them change their itinerary.  
 
Teaching staff of these sets of guidelines are the nature, when coming close to man will reveals its secrets mentioned in 53:9 (Qutoed Dr Qamar and Moazzams post regarding wahy)  
 
These guidelines will never change, no matter what place or space people lives in. That’s what is meant by no one can change Sunnat and the kalimaat’s of Allah. Sunnat Allah seems to be the physical laws and kalimaat seems to be the psychological sets of guidelines collected in the divine book, visible through commonsensical approach to the laws of nature and the calculations of the outcomes of human behavior. (Please correct me where I’m totally wrong, this is just an understanding)  
 
And the intellectual and gifted Rusool equipped with risalat, must have calculated all the possible ways people will try to stage-manage and influence the masterpiece of a book with, because he know how they did it previously with preceding books. As we have to be him to understand how he received wahy, therefore we do not know how he composed the divine message in order to protect it from potential adjustments. Maybe it’s composed in style so it reveals itself the same way it was revealed to the Rusool.  
 
However, we know Salaat needed supplementary books to be transformed into namaaz; likewise the Soum and hajj concept along with loads of other things needed the same manipulative books to be converted into other notions. How and why may perhaps not be obvious, but people of intellect do understand that the creator develop his creation through the required nourishment. A tree needs water to grow, and then human intellect needs guidance to develop.  
Flowers need space to flourish, and the human mind need freedom to progress. The sun needs eyes it can illuminate so it can make itself evident, human intentions need actions to replicate their character.  
 
Is the Quran having the preferred purpose for Quranists? I would say YES it is. The Quran facilitate us to catch sight of more than what is perceived by numerous people. In a world were people recognizing themselves through their nation, cast, language and traditions- the Quran eliminated such walls.  
 
Someone asked me:- “who are you, a Western or Eastern representation? “  
 
I said: - “If a caring Hindu in India, a loving Buddhist in China, an affectionate Jew in Israel, a kind Christian in America and a peace providing Muslim will recognize themselves in my actions, I'm representing all of them, in other words, I’m representing humanity, Eastern or Western...doesnt matter (as thought in the Quran)!  

Comments by: UmeAimon On 30 January 2011Report Abuse
and you said you have problem putting thoughts in words... what? This is brilliant!!  
Brother BOB, Salam.  
 
UmeAimon

Comments by: Nargis2 On 30 January 2011Report Abuse
"""""Teaching staff of these sets of guidelines are the nature, when coming close to man will reveals its secrets mentioned in 53:9 (Qutoed Dr Qamar and Moazzams post regarding wahy)  
 
These guidelines will never change, no matter what place or space people lives in. That’s what is meant by no one can change Sunnat and the kalimaat’s of Allah. Sunnat Allah seems to be the physical laws and kalimaat seems to be the psychological sets of guidelines collected in the divine book, visible through commonsensical approach to the laws of nature and the calculations of the outcomes of human behavior. """"""  
 
That's the clue ;)

Comments by: momin On 30 January 2011Report Abuse
Bob, this is extraordinary. God bless you. I will read your post again.

Comments by: Junaid2 On 30 January 2011Report Abuse
Salaam;  
Brother Bob; that was awesome.  
Brilliant I woulds say!  
Perhaps I never understood these concepts better than what I did after reading your post.  

Comments by: AlAhmer On 31 January 2011Report Abuse
May be I am just the party spoiler. I understand the example of computer and its components. Brother Bob argument regarding understanding God is that “we can’t understand God because he says we can’t understand him”. This is argument in nutshell. Human beings always assumed this concept of God when they don’t understand something. When we didn’t understand earthquakes those were God being angry, storms and lighting God being angry. Once we understand the mechanism of these earthquakes and storms and lighting we were less afraid and start to not label God for those.  
Second part of Brother Bob argument regarding the nature of wahy and method of transmission is pretty much the same. Wahy is hidden in the natural laws and a close observer can expose it and use it for the betterment of humanity.  
So the question is do we consider this as the criteria to declare books as holy (not in religious sense). “Book written after the observations of natural laws and its implication for human being.” As those books writer found the hidden wahy and expose it for human beings. Brother Bob mention the special qualities of Prophet to really expose this. If prophet is human being, can we find those special qualities or it is just another statement as above those special qualities can’t be understood as those are special.  
It is still a book written by someone we don’t know for sure, it content is interesting and its source is not known. This is the bottom line. We are just not ready to admit that just can’t let go that is holy in our view because we consider it this way. For other non Muslims it is just a book and you can’t make it any holier than other for them.  
Just my half cent on this.  

Comments by: momin On 31 January 2011Report Abuse
Dear ALAhmer,  
 
Party spoiler sometimes add to its beauty. Any way if you allow me to to say a few words. You said,  
 
 
 
"Brother Bob argument regarding understanding God is that “we can’t understand God because he says we  
can’t understand him”.  
 
I think he didn't meant that. His views as I understood and appreciated were that we are from world of creation  
where as he is not being a creator belonging to some other form or a formless energy. A world we can not comprehend. This is our limitation not that, “we can’t understand God because he says we can’t understand  
him”. To explain this he gave the example of computers and their creator , human beings. How can computer understand human life?  
 
I may add here that , lower form of creation can not understand the life of next higher form of creation. Grass  
can not understand animal life , similarly animals can not understand human life. Their understanding remain  
at their station of life and can not cross over to the next. Imagine the station of Allah's existence and our own.  
 
Secondly, you wrote,"So the question is do we consider this as the criteria to declare books as holy (not in  
religious sense)."Please elaborate this point. I couldn't understand. By the way, what do you mean by "Holy"  
 
Thanks and regards.  

Comments by: moazzam On 31 January 2011
Dear Alahmar ! "So the question is do we consider this as the criteria to declare books as holy (not in religious sense). “Book written after the observations of natural laws and its implication for human being.” As those books writer found the hidden wahy and expose it for human beings. " (ALAHMAR) . IF some one is so interested to use the word "HOLY' for Alkitab, then laws of nature also deserve the same title (INNA FI KHALQISSAMAWATI WAL ARZA WAKHTILA FINNAHARI LA AYATULLI ULIL ALBAAB).All religious books (material) controversial to Alkitab or laws of nature will be called FOHASH.

Comments by: aurangzaib On 31 January 2011Report Abuse
Dear Bob,  
 
I am a fan of you for your power of reasoning. The theory you brilliantly tried to substantiate and justify in order to solve the puzzle of WAHI is actually the one proposed by Dr. QZ a bit earlier. It maintains that:  
 
"The nature exposed itself to a man of super normal vision and intellect". And that WAHI was hidden in nature. Or WAHI is the secrets of nature.  
 
But some questions were raised earlier on this theory - and there are some more, which still remain unanswered:  
 
1. Why no other man of that extraordinary vision and intellect in the last 1400 years?  
2. Could a man of that intellectually advanced level take birth in those backward times?  
2. Why nature has stopped revealing itself?  
3. With all the progress in knowledge, sciences and intellect, and a higher evolutionary level, why the modern intelligentsia far behind in understanding the secrets of nature?  
4. Isn't that a proof that the theory of secrets of nature (in the form of Guidance - values, principles, ideals) is fake?  
5. Why on earth Nature would mean guidance? For God's sake, nature means only Physical laws and realities and their diverse manifestations?  
Aren't they amply codified by Scientists?  
 
About proof of God's existence, I have just taken a stand. That it should not be discussed altogether. (That is just for me, of course). I think you are right. A metaphysical existence cannot be proved in physical form. God's at the most a symbolic and abstract Reality. To affirm or negate its existence is an exercise in futility. We do symbolize him as the Creator of this Universe, but skeptics do not agree. They follow a very hollow and baseless theory of Creation by Accident.

Comments by: momin On 31 January 2011Report Abuse
Dear Moazzem,  
 
Your contributions have always been remarkable. You wrote,  
 
IF some one is so interested to use the word "HOLY' for Alkitab, then laws of nature also deserve the same  
title (INNA FI KHALQISSAMAWATI WAL ARZA WAKHTILA FINNAHARI LA AYATULLI ULIL ALBAAB).  
All religious books (material) controversial to Alkitab or laws of nature will be called FOHASH.  
 
This is OK, We have given sanctity to certain places, words and personalities and made them mysterious.  
Certain things we Muslims conclude on assumptions, like why nature is not revealing now etc etc. We have  
often accepted here that charter of UNO does carry Islamic values without contribution by Muslims. HOW???  
if nature has stopped revealing now ??? Probably we are still locked up in the domain of religion, (holy,mokudus,personality cult etc)

Comments by: aurangzaib On 31 January 2011Report Abuse
Dear Bob,  
 
Please read "de-codified" in the last line of No.5) in my last post above.  
 
Thanks.

Comments by: bob On 31 January 2011Report Abuse
Salaam brother Alahmer, you stated: God is that "we can not under stand God because he says we can not under stand him ".  
 
Dear brother, forgive me for not being clear, as I said earlier, I struggled to articulate my thoughts in the required manner to visualize precisely what I wanted to convey of my perception, I’m appreciative to brother Momin who helped me out here. I’m also grateful to Brother Junaid and Sister Umeaimon :)  
 
I will try to be brief and give it another shot, this time I hope it turns out well :-  
 
According to my understanding and from what I have learned of Dr Qamar and Moazzam’s post, is that God can not be comprehended simply, because he is not here in physical shape and he is not part of the created creation-  
 
At planet earth alongside with the universe, there are only produced items. The one who fashioned these items, need to exist before he created the magnum opus called “universe”.  
 
Everything inside the Universe’s planet Earth is working according to a set of laws. For us to recognize and understand an entity, it must be graspable by our sanity. We can get to know everything about the object, and how it works according to the set of laws.  
 
Rain is graspable because it’s created and organized by a set of laws and we can find out everything about it and how it operates by the laws of nature. That is possible to find out through observations and calculations. For example, we are able to scrutinize plants and algae, but through further annotations we get to know about their important role in the photosynthesis. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photosynthesis  
 
The physical object leads us on to more information about it and how it works in context with all of the physical-made creation. Furthermore, human beings are also physically created and a part of this construction they are trying to explore. One of the differences is that our brains are equipped with a hi-tech excellence; it can grab hold of the calculations of the creation and then evaluate and analyze its particles in details to surface coherent information.  
 
Since the creator is responsible for creation, he must be existent BEFORE he supervises the establishment of the universe. God / The Creator must be something else than his own creation.  
 
Therefore we can not "see” him as we see the physical creation, and he is not a part of the physical creation. We only know about the knowledge available for our understanding and calculations. Our brain can only grasp what is understandable for our senses.  
 
In view of the importance given to human senses and the mind, the Quran declares in the clearest terms that people who do not use their senses and their minds are not living their lives on a human level. They are in fact living on an animalistic level and are admonished: “They are neglectful.” (7/179) This also indicates that knowledge is only that which can be explained by the senses and the mind. Intangible, abstract matters have nothing to do with the senses. Observation of natural phenomena and the study of the universe, experimentation to discover the laws of creation, maintenance, and workings of the components of the universe are the applications of sense-perception.  
 
No matter how hard we use our intellect, it can not provide information about something not familiar to our senses, and that would only be what’s created in the universe. Hope this make sense.  
 
2)  
 
Your second question of calling a book holy is very well answered by brother Moazzam. According to the online etymology dictionary it’s explained as:-  
 
holy Look up holy at Dictionary.com  
O.E. halig "holy," from P.Gmc. *khailagas (cf. O.N. heilagr, Ger. heilig, Goth. hailags "holy"), adopted at conversion for L. sanctus. Primary (pre-Christian) meaning is not impossible to determine, but it was probably "that must be preserved whole or intact, that cannot be transgressed or violated," and connected with O.E. hal (see health) and O.H.G. heil "health, happiness, good luck" (source of the Ger. salutation heil). Holy water was in Old English. Holy has been used as an intensifying word from 1837; used in expletives since 1880s (e.g. Holy smoke, 1889, holy mackerel, 1903, holy moly etc.), all euphemisms for holy Christ or Holy Moses.  
 
If the book is explaining the whole needed information to develop, then I can’t see any harm in using a word in its proper meaning and content, people are free to call it (w) holy.  
 
3)  
You said:- "Brother Bob mention the special qualities of Prophet to really expose this. If prophet is human being, can we find those special qualities or it is just another statement as above those special qualities can’t be understood as those are special. "  
 
The message is complete; the only remaining part is to calculate the details, so I’m not sure if these special qualities are required anymore. I will try to elaborate further in my answer to Brother Aurungzaib.  
 
Dear brother Alahmer, this is merely an understanding. I find Aastanaa as a unique platform to learn and discuss things with people who’s not bound to the submissive wisdom established by our “learned” ones. My aspiration is to learn and develop, and with your help it’s possible to reach newer heights of knowledge. Thank you  

Comments by: bob On 01 February 2011Report Abuse
Dear brother Aurungzaib, thank you for your kind words. I feel the same about you.  
 
You're absolutely right, Dr Qamar wrote about this, and since then I've thought a lot about it. Now that I have formed an understanding of it in connection with the possible change of the Quran, I tried to put forward my all-inclusive understanding based on Dr Qamar Canon. I find it extremely difficult to articulate myself on the subject of your questions, but ill try my best. Here we go  
 
1. Why no other man of that extraordinary vision and intellect in the last 1400 years?  
 
Because when the Quran was given, it was carefully designed and detailed with all the essential collections of actions, their consequences and results. The book is further ornamented with methods to prevent an assortment of actions with their applicable consequences and their numerous results, and additionally supplies a needed assistance to pull off the preferred end result.  
 
Since the system everything is in commission to, is already observed and gathered by Syedana Mohammed, nothing original is left to get the drift of. If another person would see something similar to the content of the Quran, then it is already recorded by S Mohammed.  
 
When the Quran says: 52:34 ... Then let them produce a Hadith (explanation) like this if they are truthful. [2:23, 10:38, 11:13, 17:88] It is impossible to bring another “hadith” like the Quran because there is only one law everything is functioning according to. Results are caused by actions, the result of an action can only occur when the action has taken place, and never before.  
 
This is designed by ONE LAW, so one need to understand its principles to enable human kind to calculate its blueprint and route. One pattern of action and behavior gives one type of results, another types of behavior would cause in other results and so on. For example, the common consensus in psychology is that there are hidden aspects which leads to anxiety, depression, anger, envy, etc. Treatment methods to help people suffering from such conditions are written in the books after several researchers have conducted various experiments with different patients. They agree on the fact that such conditions are impacts of events the patient has been exposed to in a former period of life and the Therapy goes on to treat the causal problem. Implementation of this treatment will give the same effect everywhere on earth.  
 
Likewise, when it comes to physical laws, the cure to AIDS help an AIDS patient no matter what country he comes from and what time he lives in.  
 
If we had different laws everything were working under, then one could come up with another “hadith” that would give a way out s for the different law’s and their impact on humanity. But that is not the case.  
 
So this may be the reason for others not to have seen it, because it was already seen. This knowledge is designed to be detected when the humanity needed solutions and the right time made humans like our prophets ready to look for it, and then observe it.  
 
The knowledge reveals itself when the society’s condition requires it, and the providing the necessary information. For example, Adam were taught “isms” when the bright one saw the strange division of resources among human beings but not the nature. Then Syedana Noah's population needed a continuation of the teachings coming after the awareness of isms, again known to Syedana Abraham who discovered more as a result of the demands of human kind at his time. It then continued to the time of Syedana Mohammed, when every possible climax and breakdown of a society and individual were open to the elements. The precondition for S Mohammed to receive wahy is that wahy must be VISIBLE for him, consequently to be established as a set of guidelines in the Quran.  
 
It can’t be like S Mohammed was one day walking around in the desert when he suddenly heard Surah Fateha. He must have distinguished things and pondered about them, so that when Wahy revealed itself, he understood it as accurate and unwavering information, praiseworthy enough to pass on to us. We see that S Mohammed does not claimed to be the originator of the Quran, but clearly states it is from God. I don’t think he said it because he is being modest; it is because it's the truth.  
 
We know what it means when the Quran said God would have sent angels to the humans if angels were residing on earth. Namely that our senses can not perceive what is not part of the creation –That would go for S Mohammed too, if he had been an angel, he would understand the message sent by an angel. Since he was a human being he can only understand the message which is available through the creation. In order to have direct contact with God, he must be made of the same elements God is made of. I am very sorry that if this is a bit confusing, I find it very difficult to express myself regarding the matter.  
 
2) Could a man of that intellectually advanced level take birth in those backward times?  
 
Thats something we have witnessed, so the answer is yes. We have the Quran in our hands as a proof, so yes it is possible.  
 
3) Why nature has stopped revealing itself?  
 
It has not stopped, it reveals itself as needed to develop other aspects of humanity. Civilization is now ready to make use of the periphery prearranged by the Quran to see the niceties in the nature. These details are fully reflected when we are standing on the discovered platform: - Wahy  
 
4) With all the progress in knowledge, sciences and intellect, and a higher evolutionary level, why the modern intelligentsia far behind in understanding the secrets of nature?  
 
 
Today’s western world is controlled by fanatic Judeo-Christian sects influenced by paganism, and they are doing the same thing as Faro’s of every time. Namely to hide the knowledge made available for exclusion of religions and stagnation, by labeling it as foolhardiness as a substitute for “secrets of nature”. Something similar is happening in our countries. Secrets of nature are conditional to revelation by people who are looking for them. Wahy is not a subject of technology and expertise, but for the impartial and balanced mind.  
 
5. Why on earth Nature would mean guidance? For God's sake, nature means only Physical laws and realities and their diverse manifestations?  
 
Dear brother, I think you answered your own question. The guidance is precisely the nature which is a set of physical laws every physical creation is bound to. These laws act directly and indirectly on the consciousness of individuals and societies, but it also contains solutions for betterment when we observe harming results. One kind of guidance the nature provides us is that of a seed. When it should be sown and when it should be harvested can be gain knowledge of by the season and weather.  
 
Nature teaches us that when a seasoned fruit is not eaten, it will disintegrate;  
 
Nature tells us that the flowers will dry up without water  
 
In other words, nourishment upholds life and makes it advantageous  
 
6) Aren't they amply de-codified by Scientists?  
 
Dear brother, i dont think every farmer is a scientist (in modern terminology)!  
 
Sorry for an extensive answer, in view of the fact that I found it difficult to express myself at this field of discussion, I therefore used up a lot of room. I hope Dr Qamar can help me out here.  

Comments by: moazzam On 01 February 2011
Brother Bob ! " some questions were raised earlier on this theory - and there are some more, which still remain unanswered: "  
 
 
1. Why no other man of that extraordinary vision and intellect in the last 1400 years?  
2. Could a man of that intellectually advanced level take birth in those backward times?  
2. Why nature has stopped revealing itself?  
3. With all the progress in knowledge, sciences and intellect, and a higher evolutionary level, why the modern intelligentsia far behind in understanding the secrets of nature?  
4. Isn't that a proof that the theory of secrets of nature (in the form of Guidance - values, principles, ideals) is fake?  
5. Why on earth Nature would mean guidance? For God's sake, nature means only Physical laws and realities and their diverse manifestations?  
Aren't they amply codified by Scientists? ( by Aurangzaib)  
 
Congratulation, you are the GEM AT THIS FORUM THE AASTANA.COM. Excellent articulation, may Allah bless you with more WISDOM OF UNIVERSE.

Comments by: AlAhmer On 01 February 2011Report Abuse
Brother bob, greatly appreciate your very elegant explanation and well thought out opinion. Can't disagree with it.  
For me I like to look at things with examples as you did provided but I like to understand this nature aspect with example.  
So what does nature tell us? There are source of nourishments provided for all living creatures. Animals and human had to make effort to find the source of nourishment. All creatures know according to their needs what type of sources of nourishment they will need. Loin eats flash, goat eats grass and human beings eat both and so on and on.  
Second aspect is that once the sources of nourishment are extinct so does the creatures’ dependant on those. Except the one that can depend on variety of sources.  
Third aspect is that animals are free to go after their source of nourishment and eat what they need and store if necessary. Fight for food when limited source of nourishment. Human being source of nourishment can be control that creates the shortage and give power to few who controls that. You can observe that in animals to some extent as well. They will protect their food while other tries to get from them. Obviously animals can’t create shops and storage depts. So animals are behind in that area from human beings. Animals also have element of dominance and stronger prevails over weaker and older so does human beings. Animals fight for territory, mates and dominance and do does Human beings.  
Fourth, animals that evolve with their changing environment and source of nourishments are survivors and do does human beings.  
Fifth, animals also possess varied degree of intelligence that is confine to their environment and their needs. So does human beings, our intelligence confines to our environment. We consider it superior but no human ever communicated with animals to ask what they think of us inferior or superior :-)  
Sixth, animals feel sad, depress, happy and so does human beings.  
In short brother Bob, nature is brutal and human beings express the same degree of these natural instincts as animals.  
Nature only tells you some of these things I could recall at this point. What makes human beings different? We do act at our natural instincts so what special thing that makes us high creatures and special?  
What makes us different is our special compass that tells you what is good and what is bad and on the top free choice to choose good or bad. We are not meant to do good always and bad on the other hand. We make a choice between two. This is the free will to act or not act that is considered as the silver lining. I could be wrong but my brothers you can enlighten me always.  
I am not sure and convinced that there were special instructions hidden in nature that revealed to a certain person at a certain time and then stop to exist as human evolution has reached its zenith.  
Now I am going to make a leap here and say it was not the nature but the social dynamics of human beings that compelled Prophets to observe the society and its social diseases. It was the suffering of human beings that compelled Prophets to find solution for those diseases. Prophets suggested some universal values that all human beings need and want. They proposed it as universal social laws as necessary as other natural laws that don’t change.  
It does not matter how advance we get as human beings we will suffer until we implement those universal values or laws.  
Now the kicker or spicy part of this discussion. Do we need a special person to feel the universal values? The answer is (yes with a may be) because person has to be sensitive and observant enough to come to these common values as well as in suitable environment. Do we all have this ability hidden in us?  
Now the right hook of this discussion. Does God need to provide these values to us through a special mechanism “wahy” or “Al-kitab”. I don’t think so as these values or laws for human beings are always present for us to use. It is our choice to use it or lose it. Our self interest and choice either make a heaven or hell for other human beings. When we want and choose to do good the values or always there for us and those values/laws produce good results.  
This is in nutshell Al-Kitab is saying and it is based on the observation of Prophet.  
I know it will not answer your questions like purpose of creation, where we go after death, where we come from before we were born. Who is God and where he came from etc. May be these questions are meant to be unanswered as these questions or not new but as old as Prophets.  
I am not trying to convince anyone but want to learn if I am missing something that someone else might have.  
Appreciate good long explaination by brother Bob, Thank you Brother Momin, moazaam and aurangzaib for keep this discussion alive with open mind.  
Brother Aurangzaib don’t be afraid to face to unknown as you quoted “About proof of God's existence, I have just taken a stand. That it should not be discussed altogether. (That is just for me, of course)”.  

Comments by: aurangzaib On 01 February 2011Report Abuse
Dear Bob,  
 
No comments on your first answer.  
But you tried hard, I admit. It's My own deficiencies perhaps! I can only follow very precise, clear-cut, direct and short answers. Allow me to pass counter comments on your clear and short answers:  
 
2) Could a man of that intellectually advanced level take birth in those backward times?  
 
Thats something we have witnessed, so the answer is yes. We have the Quran in our hands as a proof, so yes it is possible.  
 
Aurangzaib: What we have witnessed is hardly the proof of BIRTH of an extraordinarily INTELLECTUAL MAN in a most backward society, who could write something true for all times to come. The equally plausible theory is that the MAN was groomed, prepared and taught by the Divinity. And that's Bob, my main point of emphasis here.  
 
3) Why nature has stopped revealing itself?  
 
It has not stopped, it reveals itself as needed to develop other aspects of humanity. Civilization is now ready to make use of the periphery prearranged by the Quran to see the niceties in the nature. These details are fully reflected when we are standing on the discovered platform: - Wahy  
 
Aurangzaib: I was referring to the much-acclaimed lessons of humanity - the values, principles, ideals, which you maintain NATURE reveals. What of those values NATURE has revealed in the last 1400 years - in the same form as it revealed in through the Book, Al-Quran?  
 
.5. Why on earth Nature would mean guidance? For God's sake, nature means only Physical laws and realities and their diverse manifestations?  
 
Dear brother, I think you answered your own question. The guidance is precisely the nature which is a set of physical laws every physical creation is bound to. These laws act directly and indirectly on the consciousness of individuals and societies, but it also contains solutions for betterment when we observe harming results. One kind of guidance the nature provides us is that of a seed. When it should be sown and when it should be harvested can be gain knowledge of by the season and weather.  
Nature teaches us that when a seasoned fruit is not eaten, it will disintegrate;  
Nature tells us that the flowers will dry up without water  
In other words, nourishment upholds life and makes it advantageous  
 
Aurangzaib: First you maintained that NATURE revealed to Mohammad moral & ethical discipline dealing with societies code of conduct (QURAN).  
Now you confuse NATURE with physical laws- - - - - -with nourishment of crops and fruits. You mix up these physical laws, again with "consciousness of individuals and societies".  
Be clear of thought, my dear. What you express is a hotch potch of ethics & morals, with physical laws of nature  
- two clearly distinct and far apart fields. Let us keep in mind that physical laws of nature will be the same for moral and immoral societies; for Muslims and Kafirs; for guided ones and for savages. NATURE has nothing to do with  
morality or with our state of consciousness; and it DOES NOT REVEAL MORAL GUIDANCE. It is kind and benevolent for all those who observe its physical course of action closely and bring their workings in harmony with it.  
 
6) Aren't they amply de-codified by Scientists?  
Dear brother, i dont think every farmer is a scientist (in modern terminology)!  
 
Aurangzaib: Yes Dear Bob, farmers are not scientists. I never said that. Farmers know nature in relation with their work because the simpler and commonly manifest part of it relates to their livelihood. While Scientists know deeper complexities and mysteries of nature as that relates to their profession. NONE OF THEM looks for QURAN-like Guidance in the Nature. And that's the point, my dear, this humble brother of yours is trying hard to highlight.  
I would never mix Divine Guidance with Nature, unless proved in clear and precise incontrovertible terms. If I agree to Nature's theory, next step would be nothing but ATHEISM - and I don't reckon I am ready for it, yet.  
 
Best wishes for you.  

Comments by: Junaid On 02 February 2011Report Abuse
Salaam;  
 
** (We know what it means when the Quran said God would have sent angels to the humans if angels were residing on earth. Namely that our senses can not perceive what is not part of the creation –That would go for S Mohammed too, if he had been an angel, he would understand the message sent by an angel. Since he was a human being he can only understand the message which is available through the creation.) by bob  
 
Dear brother bob, I would request you to please elaborate, what is your concept of angels?  
 
The reason why I am asking this question is that as per my understanding, MALAIKA are people of power and influence in a society (as mentioned by brother aurangzaib) and they can also be considered as forces of nature (as mentioned by few other researchers).  
 
You seem to have a different concept I suppose!  
I am sure you have taken this from the following verses;  
(6:50, 11:31, 17:94-95, )  
 
How would you define MALAIKA?  

Comments by: bob On 02 February 2011Report Abuse
"Aurangzaib: What we have witnessed is hardly the proof of BIRTH of an extraordinarily INTELLECTUAL MAN in a most backward society, who could write something true for all times to come. The equally plausible theory is that the MAN was groomed, prepared and taught by the Divinity. And that's Bob, my main point of emphasis here. "  
 
Dear brother, thank you for your reply, ill aim to be brief and try a little harder this time :)  
 
Firstly, please elaborate what you put in the word 'backward society'?  
 
After reading the Quran and understanding it in a new way, I can’t search out my common sense to believe the Quran is a legacy from an unintelligent man from a backward society. The work itself is a proof that the one who delivered this was more than intellectual.  
 
We know Newton through his work, allama Parvez and allama Iqbal through their achievements, even the creator is identified all the way through his handiwork, in other words, someone’s work is proof enough for his brainpower, mind and existence.  
 
Guidance is from God, but it is placed in the creation. Simply because the prophet is obliged to analyze and evaluate the given information, only then it is to be determined as verified and valuable enough to be called divine. Only then it can be passed on.  
 
If S Mohammed had the sense of hearing tone of voices, or got the message through a supernatural way, then he had to blindly believe in it, and provide us his belief which is reliance in what he received. He could not KNOW if the given guidance is right or not, unless he is able to calculate it as true. He knows not whether the source is God and not just voices in his head, because every claim in the Quran has to be proven to be exactly as illustrated by the “sender”. How is that possible? Well, from the beginning to the end, only the creation can prove it to be accurate.  
 
 
"Aurangzaib: I was referring to the much-acclaimed lessons of humanity - the values, principles, ideals, which you maintain NATURE reveals. What of those values NATURE has revealed in the last 1400 years - in the same form as it revealed in through the Book, Al-Quran? "  
 
I tried to give details about it in my first answer. Ill try another attempt to justify it by an example. If S Mohammed finds a seed, write down its features and content of its nutrient in a book, it is then impossible for someone else to uncover it, because it has already been discovered.  
 
Now we can call this seed for Morals, Goodness, Decency, Virtue, Ethics, Values, or Principles. When their purpose, their influence on individuals and civilization, their advantages and disadvantages, their wide-ranging effects is methodically vindicated and put in plain words in the Quran, it can not be detected again. But they may be identified by others. Since this seed has the same effect on all societies and individuals of all time, it was discovered when it was needed most, by a person who were making an endeavor to hit upon it. So if it’s already there, it is there .  
 
 
Aurugnzaib, “NATURE has nothing to do with morality or with our state of consciousness; and it DOES NOT REVEAL MORAL GUIDANCE.”  
 
Whether Conscious administrates or writes off morality, in both cases it brings about an accomplishment.  
This accomplishment may have an effect on individual and society, and the impact is in fact also a part of nature.  
This is not supernatural at all; it is here for to teach us and to be calculated just like physical laws  
 
When I say natural, I mean part of the psychological and physical creation.  
 
It would be interesting to know, if you believe morality and ethics are not natural, what would you say they are?  
Sorry for not being clear about the fruit example, but I tried to show a physical law as an example to illustrate a parable,  
 
“In other words, nourishment upholds life and makes it advantageous “  
 
This was meant to show if man is beneficial for the social order, he will then be the reason for growth of goodness, pleasure, cheerfulness, prosperity and happiness for humanity.  
 
This is nature and it’s witnessed by us even today.  
 
For example, it is proven that rape victims suffer with misery, melancholy, sorrow and anxiety. This is a widespread condition to most rape sufferers. This kind of an effect need special type of treatment, and it’s practically an equal course of action to it.  
 
To understand the sufferer’s condition and then develop a treatment for it is part of the nature. The victim’s conscious is tormented and it needs management. So the conscious is too a part of the nature.  
 
Intelligent people may learn about the pattern in the rapists’ conduct and the after-effects of his sufferers. By study their nature and the common ground for every rapist and common results of the injured party; we are enabling our self to prevent such circumstances.  
 
This is nature because it occurs in the creation. Conscious and subconscious are both subject for exploration, when we have developed methods to treat one kind of a mental illness, then we are ready to develop the next one. We have to wait for the nature to reveal itself.  
 
________________  
 
"Atheism, in a broad sense, is the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities. Most inclusively, atheism is simply the absence of belief that any deities exist. Atheism is contrasted with theism, which in its most general form is the belief that at least one deity exists." Wikipedia !  
 
They say that God does not exist, I exclaim the contrary. I do not believe in God, I KNOW he exists, and I know that through the nature/creation. Nothing occurs all by itself, and the universe is too complicated to be designed and fashioned in such a flawless manner by itself. It’s then nourished and everything is systematically subordinated to laws and regulations. This stunning success must have an originator who designed it to stay alive and perform entirely. This is apparent to everyone.  
 
The one who shaped this system, have shaped laws it’s working under and we are no exception. The Creator maintains his Masterwork but provided us a brain which is not effortful if it’s not fully utilized, otherwise it would not improve. This goes for the Prophets too; they enhanced their own intelligence through most important struggle and looked exclusively for the guidance needed to lead mankind to advanced levels of Homo sapiens.  
 
I know The Creator exists, and I agree that he sent Rosuuls whom he chooses to reveal the secrets of guidance, which is the crystal-clear response for the succession of humanity. I just don’t agree with the standard theories regarding the way this knowledge was revealed. This knowledge is not to be revealed to anyone other than Rosuul, precisely because they are pioneers in the improvement thus far ahead of us. The clear-cut information around how they got it In particular and exactly how they calculated it is unknown to me, because for that I have to be a Rusool.  
 
 
Conclusion: - Atheists hates me!

Comments by: bob On 02 February 2011Report Abuse
Ws Brother Junaid  
 
I agree that Malaika are people of power and Influence in a society.  
 
I was referring to the demand of a supernatural being in Sura Anaam 8-9. I shouldn’t have used the word “angel” though. These verses are elaborated in Haqiqate Malaika page 34 :-  
 
http://aastana.com/URDU/viewer.asp?id=19

Comments by: moazzam On 02 February 2011
Dear BOB ! I ,100% agree with your comprehention regarding Wahy,Rasool,God ,Atheisim,Theisim, Alkitab " the verses 12/22,21,74,21,79,28/14, validates your inference  
 
" I know The Creator exists, and I agree that he sent Rosuuls whom he chooses to reveal the secrets of guidance, which is the crystal-clear response for the succession of humanity. I just don’t agree with the standard theories regarding the way this knowledge was revealed. This knowledge is not to be revealed to anyone other than Rosuul, precisely because they are pioneers in the improvement thus far ahead of us. The clear-cut information around how they got it In particular and exactly how they calculated it is unknown to me, because for that I have to be a Rusool."  
 

Comments by: momin On 02 February 2011Report Abuse
Dear Moazzem,  
 
The theory given by Doctor Qamer had taken me by surprise but than as I articulated my thoughts found it  
fascinating and quiet satisfying. I had similar questions in my mind as Mr Aurangzeb enumerated below,  
 
 
1. Why no other man of that extraordinary vision and intellect in the last 1400 years?  
2. Could a man of that intellectually advanced level take birth in those backward times?  
2. Why nature has stopped revealing itself?  
3. With all the progress in knowledge, sciences and intellect, and a higher evolutionary level,  
why the modern intelligentsia far behind in understanding the secrets of nature?  
4. Isn't that a proof that the theory of secrets of nature (in the form of Guidance - values,  
principles, ideals) is fake?  
5. Why on earth Nature would mean guidance? For God's sake, nature means only Physical  
laws and realities and their  
 
But than on scrutiny, found most of them based on mere assumptions because of held beliefs and not facts.  
I would have tried to answer these questions but than, it would be superfluous after being adequately answered  
by Mr. bob. It is good that Mr. Aurangzeb asked these questions and we have been benefited. Thanks all of you for  
participating and enhancing our knowledge.  
 
Can any one through light as to what is morality we often talk about?

Comments by: moazzam On 02 February 2011
Dear Alahmar ! The nomenclature, "LAWS OF NATURE OR UNIVERSAL VALUES (in social dynamics) make no difference .The revelation (Wahy) of either at human being (rasool) is under discussion. I found no difference of opinion between you and brother Bob.  
I agree with you that “Prophets suggested some universal values that all human beings need and want. They proposed it as universal social laws as necessary as other natural laws that don’t change.  
It does not matter how advance we get as human beings we will suffer until we implement those universal values or laws. "  

Comments by: AlAhmer On 02 February 2011Report Abuse
Thank you Brother Moazzam for your reassurance. Well I just wanted to know "laws of nature" as stated by brother Bob and often by you as well what you meant by those. In response to brother Aurangzaib, brother Bob included social dynamics into this. I still believe you can't mix those together this is the difference I was trying to explain in my post. Laws of Nature and Nature of human social interaction are not one of the same. Laws of any natural phenomena that is mention is Quran is not there to prove its scientific significance but to use it as example/allegory to make a point around social aspects. I am happy that at least there is some agreement on this but a journey ahead for rest.

Comments by: AlAhmer On 02 February 2011Report Abuse
Brother Bob now suddenly you took the believer turn from rationalist. “I know The Creator exists, and I agree that he sent Rosuuls whom he chooses to reveal the secrets of guidance, which is the crystal-clear response for the succession of humanity. I just don’t agree with the standard theories regarding the way this knowledge was revealed. This knowledge is not to be revealed to anyone other than Rosuul, precisely because they are pioneers in the improvement thus far ahead of us. The clear-cut information around how they got it In particular and exactly how they calculated it is unknown to me, because for that I have to be a Rusool.”  
I can feel things are difficult and unclear as well as frustrating sometimes. We ordinary human are challenging and ignorant as well as hard headed. We are no comparison to few enlighten one like yourself who are selected and chosen by God (God who wishes to choose without standards) at his wish to provide enlightenment like yourself who has the knowledge of existence of God and Rusool and Wahy. Brother this is Where the Religious Lines are Drawn. And you just made this happen. You don’t have to prove the unproveable if that was easy it might have been done long before you. Why it is not easy because it is a figment of our imagination (people who say this go ahead call them atheist/non believers/ animals/ Kafir etc) as this may help. We can argue around this for centuries with no result and has not produce any results thus far.  
No one can argue with a believer on any ground you can reject and accept anything at your own standard. I wish you good luck with your new religious awakening and a new religious cult that you intend to create. By the way atheism is also a Cult and religion by definition. Let’s see how we draw the line on sand on this.  
I am sure you understand my point here.  

Comments by: AlAhmer On 03 February 2011Report Abuse
Just to prove that we are not new to this topic. Here is the different philosophical arguments ever made for God existence. Interestingly it has catagories by now. Must read and find out where you argument lies in this.  
 
Arguments for the Existence of God  
The arguments themselves are arranged under the following headings: Pascal’s Wager, The Ontological Argument, The Cosmological Argument (including the first cause argument), The Teleological Argument (i.e. the argument from design), The Moral Argument, and The Argument from Religious Experience.  
 
There are, however, two preliminary issues to be dealt with: the intrinsic probability of the existence of God, which will bear on the degree of suspicion with which we view the purported theistic proofs, and reformed epistemology, which holds that belief in God can be rational even if it cannot be supported by evidence.  
 
Pascal’s Wager  
Pascal’s Wager is an argument for belief in God based not on an appeal to evidence that God exists but rather based on an appeal to self-interest. It is in our interests to believe in God, the argument suggests, and it is therefore rational for us to do so.  
 
The claim that it is in our interests to believe in God is supported by a consideration of the possible consequences of belief and unbelief. If we believe in God, the argument runs, then if he exists then we will receive an infinite reward in heaven while if he does not then we have lost little or nothing.  
 
If we do not believe in God, the argument continues, then if he exists then we will receive an infinite punishment in hell while he does not then we will have gained little or nothing.  
 
Either receiving an infinite reward in heaven or losing little or nothing is clearly preferable to either receiving an infinite punishment in hell or gaining little or nothing. It is therefore in our interests, and so rational, to believe in God.  
 
The Ontological Argument  
The ontological argument is an argument that attempts to prove the existence of God through abstract reasoning alone. The argument begins with an explication of the concept of God. Part of what we mean when we speak of “God” is “perfect being”; that is what the word “God” means. A God that exists, of course, is better than a God that doesn’t. To speak of God as a perfect being is therefore to imply that he exists. If God’s perfection is a part of the concept of God, though, and if God’s perfection implies God’s existence, then God’s existence is implied by the concept of God. When we speak of “God” we cannot but speak of a being that exists. To say that God does not exist is to contradict oneself; it is literally to speak nonsense.  
 
The Cosmological Argument  
The cosmological argument is the argument from the existence of the world or universe to the existence of a being that brought it into and keeps it in existence. It comes in two forms, one modal (having to do with possibility and the other temporal (having to do with time).  
 
The modal cosmological argument, the argument from contingency, suggests that because the universe might not have existed (i.e. is contingent), we need some explanation of why it does. Whereever there are two possibilities, it suggests, something must determine which of those possibilities is realised. As the universe is contingent, then, there must be some reason for its existence; it must have a cause. In fact, the only kind of being whose existence requires no explanation is a necessary being, a being that could not have failed to exist. The ultimate cause of everything must therefore be a necessary being, such as God.  
 
The temporal kalam cosmological argument, begins by arguing that the past is finite. The idea that the universe has an infinite past stretching back in time into infinity is, the argument notes, both philosophically and scientifically problematic; all indications are that there is a point in time at which the universe began to exist. This beginning must either have been caused or uncaused. It cannot have been uncaused, though, for the idea of an uncaused event is absurd; nothing comes from nothing. The universe must therefore have been brought into existence by something outside it. The kalam argument thus confirms one element of Christianity, the doctrine of Creation.  
 
The Teleological Argument  
The teleological argument is the argument from the order in the world to the existence of a being that created it with a specific purpose in mind. The universe is a highly complex system. The scale of the universe alone is astounding, and the natural laws that govern it perplex scientists still after generations of study. It is also, however, a highly ordered system; it serves a purpose. The world provides exactly the right conditions for the development and sustenance of life, and life is a valuable thing. That this is so is remarkable; there are numerous ways in which the universe might have been different, and the vast majority of possible universes would not have supported life. To say that the universe is so ordered by chance is therefore unsatisfactory as an explanation of the appearance of design around us. It is far more plausible, and far more probable, that the universe is the way it is because it was created by God with life in mind.  
 
The Moral Argument  
The moral argument is the argument from the existence or nature of morality to the existence of God. Two forms of moral argument are distinguished: formal and perfectionist.  
 
The formal moral argument takes the form of morality to imply that it has a divine origin: morality consists of an ultimately authoritative set of commands; where can these commands have come from but a commander that has ultimate authority?  
 
The perfectionist moral argument sets up a problem: how can it be that morality requires perfection of us, that morality cannot require of us more than we can give, but that we cannot be perfect? The only way to resolve this paradox, the argument suggests, is to posit the existence of God.  
 
The Argument from Religious Experience  
The argument from religious experience is the argument that personal religious experiences can prove God’s existence to those that have them. One can only perceive that which exists, and so God must exist because there are those that have experienced him. While religious experiences themselves can only constitute direct evidence of God’s existence for those fortunate enough to have them, the fact that there are many people who testify to having had such experiences constitutes indirect evidence of God’s existence even to those who have not had such experiences themselves.  
 
The Argument from Miracles  
The argument from miracles is the argument that the occurrence of miracles demonstrates both the existence of God and the truth of Christianity. If the Bible is to be believed, then Jesus’ ministry was accompanied by frequent miraculous signs that his claims and his teachings were endorsed by God the Father. His resurrection from the dead was, of course, the greatest of these, and is still taken by many today to be a solid foundation for their faith. Miracles typically involve the suspension of the natural operation of the universe as some supernatural event occurs. That can only happen, of course, given the existence of some supernatural being.  
 

Comments by: Nargis2 On 03 February 2011Report Abuse
Alahmer said  
 
"Brother Bob now suddenly you took the believer turn from rationalist. "  
 
Im interested to know whats not rational in Bobs claim  
 
"“I know The Creator exists, and I agree that he sent Rosuuls whom he chooses to reveal the secrets of guidance, which is the crystal-clear response for the succession of humanity. I just don’t agree with the standard theories regarding the way this knowledge was revealed. This knowledge is not to be revealed to anyone other than Rosuul, precisely because they are pioneers in the improvement thus far ahead of us. The clear-cut information around how they got it In particular and exactly how they calculated it is unknown to me, because for that I have to be a Rusool.”"  
 
Is not the universe getting its nourishment? Is this not rational?  
 
Are we not having people with higher iq and thus understanding math etc more than someone with a lower iq? Is it not rational?  
 
Are not the universe perfectly working under various laws, is it not rational?  
 
Bob didnt say he believe in God, he said he know God exist, but thats through his creation. And nothing more.He didnt provide any pary methods or new rituals to please God. He said god cant be comprehended because he is not part of the creation the creator himself created. Simply because the creator have to exist BEFORE he create the universe. Simple as that. How is this a new cult?  
 
Then you said congratulations with a new sect or cult, What in his post are giving you that idea?What new cult have he introduced? Please explain it to me in detail, i really want to know how you cathed this signal.  
 
I think Bob is sending out message A, but you are understanding it as B.  
 
Is any of his argument going against the Quran? Are any of his claims contradicting the Quran?  
 
He explained why a supernatural being cant send come up with the message, he explained why God cant be comprehended, he gave a detailed explaination on why the creation are having the answers.  
 
How do you think the Quran was revealed if not through the creation?  
Why do you think we cant comprehend God?  
How do you think Prophet Mohammed calculated the information given to him?  
 
And why are human beings priviliged to use their brain and gain knowledge and improve their mental capacity, while the prophet dont have to do anything, but recieve a message? Why is he chosen to recieve a message from God, if its not because of his own ability?  
 
And Al ahmer, you said this topic is not new, when did Pascal come up with his theories?  
 
Bob is neither an atheist, or a blind believer, what he is is obvious in his posts. Read it carefully plz.  
 
And come on , social dynamics are not natural? are they supernatural? :-S

Comments by: AlAhmer On 03 February 2011Report Abuse
Dear sister Nargis  
I rest my case on this "your argument is no better than mine and my argument is no better than yours". If you are happy with you understanding of God, Wahy, Rusool, Al Kitab, please go have at it. I don't mind and neither I care. If it was the power of argument to make people believe all philosopher might be Prophets (may be so who knows).  
My issue is when you think certain people with certain frame of opinion are wrong and you are right then you are "Mullah". I have very good friends those are Atheists and I respect their opinion and their point of view so do they mine.  
This is where my problem lies when Brother Bob is caliming "Atheist Hates Me". This is Vanity nothing else.  
I appreciate the support sister Nargis you like to provide brother bob. I have no issue with him as long as thinks other idiots in the world are also human beings including Atheist. I will get to your questions in due time. I know flipping arguments technique.  

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Comments by: AlAhmer On 03 February 2011Report Abuse
>Alahmer said "Brother Bob now suddenly you took the believer turn from rationalist. "  
>Im interested to know whats not rational in Bobs claim  
Alahmer says – Brother bob is presenting rationalist argument all along. I am with him on this. Where he took the turn is this. “I know The Creator exists, and I agree that he sent Rosuls whom he chooses to reveal the secrets of guidance, which is the crystal-clear response for the succession of humanity.” Rationalist don’t argue “I know the creator exist” as you’re knowing is not same as others. If it is personal statement so be it but in this post he is trying to help us understand so has to consider this aspect. Second brother Bob says “I agree that he sent Rosuls whom he chooses to reveal the secrets of guidance” fair enough it is brother bob’s opinion where his God chooses as he wishes. I have no problem with this. It is not rationalist as I can’t relate to his understanding of choice of God yet. May be he can help understand this as well. This is it Dear sister Nargis. Why don’t you help us understand Brother Bob’s thinking in this respect as well.  
 
>"“I know The Creator exists, and I agree that he sent Rosuuls whom he chooses to reveal the secrets of >guidance, which is the crystal-clear response for the succession of humanity. I just don’t agree with the >standard theories regarding the way this knowledge was revealed. This knowledge is not to be revealed >to anyone other than Rosuul, precisely because they are pioneers in the improvement thus far ahead of >us. The clear-cut information around how they got it In particular and exactly how they calculated it is >unknown to me, because for that I have to be a Rusool.”"  
 
>Is not the universe getting its nourishment? Is this not rational?  
Alahmer says – It is very rational I am with you on this. So now we can start to stipulate that God exist. May be that is a stretch that is reason I send list of arguments those made in history every since. Do you think Sister Nargis this is rational for you and how.  
 
>Are we not having people with higher iq and thus understanding math etc more than someone with a >lower iq? Is it not rational?  
Alahmer says – IQ test to prove the intellectural abilities of other may be a good argument for some later stage. I am with you it sounds rational. So what is your point that it proves Prophets have higher IQ so does Einstein my guru. I always wonder why he was not Prophet as he as all expertise needed. Time travel complex calculation … Hmmm…  
 
>Are not the universe perfectly working under various laws, is it not rational?  
Alahmer says – Universe is working perfectly depends on your definition of perfect. Obviously stromes, earth quacks etc are just for fun or correction in design. I don’t know…. It goes to the argument of God as perfect creator as I send the argument list. I am 101% with you on this that it proves God exist and he is making sure it works perfectly. Could you also give me your opinion on this as well and examples just to know my sister point of view.  
 
>Bob didnt say he believe in God, he said he know God exist, but thats through his creation. And nothing >more.He didnt provide any pary methods or new rituals to please God. He said god cant be >comprehended because he is not part of the creation the creator himself created. Simply because the >creator have to exist BEFORE he create the universe. Simple as that. How is this a new cult?  
Alahmer says – Whats the different “I believe” and “I know” God exist. Personal opinion that is it. Rest is the creationist argument just because universe exist though it means God exist. It is no facts opinion and I am fine with this from opinion perspective that we all should have. Brother Bob cult argues with Atheists that are my friends as well so I consider them human beings with opinions that you can all disagree but “Atheists hate me”. I never saw a hit list created by atheist with Bob name on the top. Brother Bob is just like other human beings are saying that he can beat atheist in the argument. Who cares what he can or he can’t do. Cult starts with a “Star” who thinks his argument is powerful and superior than others. This is all I have to say and it is just my opinion. I know Brother Bob will be offended by it as I was offended by that. May be I want to be atheist one day and now I hate brother Bob as Cult leader …. Just a thought….Now brother bob can always claim that Atheist hates him. I give him my seal of approval to be victim of atheist attack.  
 
>Then you said congratulations with a new sect or cult, What in his post are giving you that idea?What >new cult have he introduced? Please explain it to me in detail, i really want to know how you cathed this >signal.  
Alahmer says – Sister Nargis, Brother Bob Cult is the victim of atheist hate as I just declare to be part of atheist so we are bad people for my highly intelligent brother Bob. My opinion nothing else and my bases for myself:-S and “I know brother Bob hates atheists.” As he knows “God exist”.  
 
>I think Bob is sending out message A, but you are understanding it as B.  
Alahmer says – yeah sister Nargis you are right I know I am just other side of the coin. Brother Bob see’s heads and I see tails. At the end it is the same coin. No big deal for me as long as you are fine with this mutual agreement of ours.  
 
>Is any of his argument going against the Quran? Are any of his claims contradicting the Quran?  
Alahmer says – This is specialty of my other brothers to prove argument exist in Quran or not. If this is the criteria then current argument to wage war against non believers is valid as rest of the Muslims argue from Quran that Quranist don’t agree with it. This is not my issue. You can help us out in this. I like to know the Quran argument in Favor of Brother Bob’s argument. I have no problem with that at all.  
 
>He explained why a supernatural being cant send come up with the message, he explained why God >cant be comprehended, he gave a detailed explaination on why the creation are having the answers.  
Alahmer says – I am 101% fine with opinion of my brother bob on this. This is his well thought out opinion. This satisfy him but its me I can’t be satisfied with this at this time may be in couple of week :-)  
 
>How do you think the Quran was revealed if not through the creation?  
>Why do you think we cant comprehend God?  
>How do you think Prophet Mohammed calculated the information given to him?  
Alahmer says – I don’t know Quran was created first before creation or creation was created before Quran. For me it makes no difference neither concerns me. I am comfortable with creations and fine with Quran as well. Just my opinion as non Einstein.  
In my opinion understanding God or not is least amount of issue for me. If God is incomprehensible then concept of even God is incomprehensible. One negative negates the whole equation for me at least. May be some brother with Math expertise can take that side of argument as well to prove God through math. Time well spend on value added things in my view.  
I don’t know Prophet Mohammed personaly but If I will meet him I will ask this question. What I know about Prophet Mohammed through Hadith is not enough for me to make judgement on a human being that I have no idea of.  
 
>And why are human beings priviliged to use their brain and gain knowledge and improve their mental >capacity, while the prophet dont have to do anything, but recieve a message? Why is he chosen to >recieve a message from God, if its not because of his own ability?  
Alahmer says – Brother Bob can answer these complex questions. I don’t believe in theory of exceptionalism. It is beyond my non Einstein mind.  
 
>And Al ahmer, you said this topic is not new, when did Pascal come up with his theories?  
Alahmer says – Pascal my friend was just trying to use his spare time on non value added activities. Pascal didn’t came up with these theories not at least all of them. If it goes to his credit he will be happy.  
 
>Bob is neither an atheist, or a blind believer, what he is is obvious in his posts. Read it carefully plz.  
Alahmer says – I didn’t said he is atheist, I declare myself atheist in this reply to help my brother bob to ease off his pain that atheist have force upon him. This will help my dear brother bob in compromising with atheists. Just a consoling him in these hard times where he is hated by them so much. I have no opinion of brother bob other than what I just made it :-) I am sorry brother bob if you feel bad about this I am sure you can forgive atheists for causing you pain and suffering.  
 
>And come on , social dynamics are not natural? are they supernatural? :-S  
Alahmer says – All I know is that what is natural what I think it is and I am fine with it. No problem with that I think….ummm you just made me think… Natural or not I am for everything let have party :-)  
Will catch up with you guys after my party time...have some fun and take it easy....

Comments by: Nargis2 On 03 February 2011Report Abuse
"Alahmer says – It is very rational I am with you on this. So now we can start to stipulate that God exist. May be that is a stretch that is reason I send list of arguments those made in history every since. Do you think Sister Nargis this is rational for you and how. "  
 
ME  
 
If you see the universe is getting its nourishment,thats not difference to what everyone sees. Speculating on where its getting its nourishment is not the discussion. You are free to believe what you like and may call the nourisher a nourisher,God,Bhagwan, Ram or what ever. The point as Bob stated is, that HIS common sense tells HIM it is a creator who created everything and he nourishes it. He didnt ask you to share his thought, did he?  
 
"Alahmer says – Universe is working perfectly depends on your definition of perfect. Obviously stromes, earth quacks etc are just for fun or correction in design. I don’t know…. It goes to the argument of God as perfect creator as I send the argument list. I am 101% with you on this that it proves God exist and he is making sure it works perfectly. Could you  
also give me your opinion on this as well and examples just to know my sister point of view. "  
 
Perfect is the universe's existence and design, which is designed to physical law's. Disasters are part of it. You are created in a perfect manner, if youre hit by a car and injuried, it have nothing to say on your initial perfect state you wre created in, with eyes,ears,mind everything working. I think this is easy to understand, or will you twist this and ask : ehhrm dooo youuuu call injuried people perfect? Or you will ask, ehhh øøøh, why do you think man is perfect if he is fragile and even stand to be hit by a car? I expect these kind of questions now. or youll ask,,do you think its perfect to ask questionssss..go ahead...oops now youll twist this head to a tale too ,,,off where to go...  
 
I think rest of your reply is a twisted understanding of what is being said. Thats why it will be no point in saying anything,because you dont want to understand anything, you want to show off as a superhero defending Atheists,whos not being talked about.  
 
Have a look at Moazzams reply where he reffered to the Quran for this "theory"!!! And please dont twist it to mean something else, i know your style now. You keep saying you dont care your fine with your opinion blahb blih bluh, why are you on a forum to have a debate if you dont care ?  
 
You take it easy first then ill take it easy. Now im going to have my own party,bye.  

Comments by: bob On 03 February 2011Report Abuse
Salaam  
 
my point of views is not a shot to influence or convert anyone, but rather an attempt to make the most of this medium to give reasons for my personal judgment on the question. Everyone is free to acknowledge or discard it.  
 
And my statement containing the word atheist is curved on to take home an absolute incompatible purpose of what it was wished for.  
 
Brother Moazzam, thanks for reading my protracted put up and feeling pleased about it. I was worried about not being able to compose an understandable enlightenment. Thank God it made some kind of sense for some of you :) I appreciate your wisdom and everything I have gain knowledge of, from Dr Qamar, and rest of the Aastana team. And thank you very much for helping me out by posting the relevant aya's, they were much needed. God bless you.

Comments by: AlAhmer On 03 February 2011Report Abuse
Okay I admit I over reacted. I am sorry brother Bob for all the evil I throw at you. You deserve better and I apologize. Its my lack of understanding.  
I will think about your points with clear head and understand and ask for your opinion in civil way without over reacting.  
I am sure you will accept my ignorance and forgive. Don't feel bad after dealing with a bad apple :-) you are fine.  
 
 

Comments by: Nargis2 On 03 February 2011Report Abuse
And i over reacted too, i even threatned to leave aastana, but no1 bothers, so i thought why should i leave when they dont care. But now when i think about it maybe they will miss me when im gone, i should in fact try to leave -hmmm ill think about that ...:-D

Comments by: AlAhmer On 03 February 2011Report Abuse
Now my apology to my dear sister Nargis. You are a great asset for us in aastana and it will be not be a same place without you. I am sure you will not hold this against your brother Alahmer. Thank you for reminding me to look at the bright side of things rather than dark.  
Thank you

Comments by: Junaid On 03 February 2011Report Abuse
Now, that's what we call a "Happy Ending"!  
And they all lived happily ever after :D  
 
Admitting his / her mistake and apologizing, this is a rare scene these days.  
Brother AlAhmer and sister Nargis, you two deserve a lot of appreciation for that :)  
 
And what can I say about Brother Bob except that he is a "Genius".  
Just like my other two brothers Aurangzaib and Badar.  

Comments by: Nargis2 On 03 February 2011Report Abuse
There is only one solution to wordly problems like war, quarrel, tension, nervousness, worry, pressure, clash, conflict, anxiety, fear, gloominess, misery, dejection, hopelessness and depression (sorry, can’t find more synonyms:-P)  
 
IS  
 
Guess what?  
 
It is  
 
PEACE  
 
thadaaa  
 
So ho, I have seen a method to achieve these qualities in a certain book you know about: P and that's why I study it and want to learn more, otherwise I would sophisticated my number one desire: - “Dance”  
 
Do not think I'm afraid of religious sanctions, kio ke hum ashiq hai ,beemar nahi ha ha ha  
 
Thank you for your lovely words Alahmer and Junaid :)  

Comments by: aurangzaib On 03 February 2011Report Abuse
Dear Bob,  
 
The discussion has advanced much farther though, but a few words more from me, as a conclusion to our mutual exchange.  
 
I was really enjoying your power of reasoning, when suddenly you took that u-turn that left no justification for further counter arguments. That one from you was :  
 
"I know The Creator exists, and I agree that he sent Rosuuls whom he chooses to reveal the secrets of guidance, which is the crystal-clear response for the succession of humanity. I just don’t agree with the standard theories regarding the way this knowledge was revealed. This knowledge is not to be revealed to anyone other than Rosuul, precisely because they are pioneers in the improvement thus far ahead of us. The clear-cut information around how they got it In particular and exactly how they calculated it is unknown to me, because for that I have to be a Rusool. "  
 
Well, that was just what I was trying to convince you about.  
 
God does teach His messengers, as Brother Moazzam's quotes clearly highlighted. But how HE does that, we can't know. We don't refrain from speculating for we have insatiable passion to know the truth. Our (Aastana family’s) way to look for the truth is naturally the Philosophical way - the rational argumentation. But something that is beyond human faculties of comprehension, just can't be proved by arguments. In the futile process, however, we sometimes resort to bad blends of widely diverse and distinctly opposite fields of knowledge.  
 
You rightly emphasized, in the end, that the condition of Enlightenment and genuine prophetic/spiritual experience cannot be perceived by other than the Prophets. The question of the prophet-hood is actually the question of means, sources and ends of divine knowledge. It is God’s prerogative and it’s strictly between God and his Representative. The decisive Verse (17/85-6) in this respect is :  
وَيَسْأَلُونَكَ عَنِ الرُّوحِ ۖ قُلِ الرُّوحُ مِنْ أَمْرِ رَبِّي وَمَا أُوتِيتُم مِّنَ الْعِلْمِ إِلَّا قَلِيلًا ﴿٨٥﴾وَلَئِن شِئْنَا لَنَذْهَبَنَّ بِالَّذِي أَوْحَيْنَا إِلَيْكَ ثُمَّ لَا تَجِدُ لَكَ بِهِ عَلَيْنَا وَكِيلًا ﴿  
٨٦﴾  
“They will question you on the topic of WAHI. Tell them; the WAHI is related to my Sustainer’s commandments, and about its mode of acquisition you have been given but a meager bit of knowledge; had OUR law dictated, WE would certainly cease that communication with you; then you would not even be able to plead us for that divine favor.”  
 
Very clear, isn’t it? And answers more than one question.  
 
About Nature revealing itself, Dr. QZ just gave an opinion. We all are free to express our opinions, based on our hypothesis. To prove that opinion with arguments needs authentic facts. Quranic injunction precludes availability of facts on this particular issue. I have checked from three dictionaries what actually the word “Nature” means, and how you just cannot mix up Nature with either Consciousness or moral/ethical issues. Both subjects are far apart from each other. However, the conclusion of this episode in a positive way does not require any further write-up.  
 
I enjoyed your friendly skirmishes, or rather cerebral wrestling, with Brother Al-Ahmar. To all of us, he has become a valuable companion very soon.  
 
Thanks and God bless you.  

Comments by: aurangzaib On 03 February 2011Report Abuse
Sorry, I forgot to post my comment about the subject of Atheism.  
 
I love Atheists because an Atheist does not require borrowed lenses to look at things. He is free, bold, frank and straightforward. He has no biases based on faith distinctions. And......and........ (that's perhaps enough...!)  
 
Thanks.

Comments by: Mubashir Syed On 03 February 2011Report Abuse
Dear Nagris, can you please share your clue for second part of Question now ?  
 
Is the Quran changed?If yes,what is changed, how do we know it is changed, and what does it mean when it says no1 can change it?(i have a clue about the last one, but want to share it when i read your answers :-D)  
 
Thanks,  
Mubashir Syed.

Comments by: Nargis2 On 04 February 2011Report Abuse
Dear Mubashir  
 
Bob did that and i copied it and said that was my clue. But i dont think bobs post is understood clearly by any other than Brother Moazzam, Junaid and Sis UmeAimon. And i cant explain it better than Bob, and no point repeating the same things over and over again :(:( :(  
 
"""""Teaching staff of these sets of guidelines are the nature, when coming close to man will reveals its secrets mentioned in 53:9 (Qutoed Dr Qamar and Moazzams post regarding wahy)  
 
These guidelines will never change, no matter what place or space people lives in. That’s what is meant by no one can change Sunnat and the kalimaat’s of Allah. Sunnat Allah seems to be the physical laws and kalimaat seems to be the psychological sets of guidelines collected in the divine book, visible through commonsensical approach to the laws of nature and the calculations of the outcomes of human behavior. """"""  
 
That's the clue

Comments by: Mubashir Syed On 04 February 2011Report Abuse
Dear Nargis, sorry i seem to miss that part in thread.  
 
I think it makes sense. Not sure but looks like it deals with safety of message which is/was only ONE from the word go. And do you think 2 :23 and 2:24 are on same lines? A challenge to bring anything(message) similar.  
 
Thanks,  
Mubashir Syed.

Comments by: dawood On 05 February 2011Report Abuse
Dear Participants, SA: Thank you all for your well articulated and logical points of views. May Allah bless you all. With due respect and all humbleness, I would suggest to ponder over the following:  
1. The arguments and the opinion, no matter how logical they are, would remain our opinions, unless we support these from the BOOK. For example, does the BOOK support the idea or hypothesis that the messenger might have learned it through the observation of natural laws and then put it in the written form? In my understanding it does not. The tone and the wording in the BOOK seem to indicate a dictated writing, such as "say", "pronounce", etc. It is however beyond my comprehension at this stage as to how this dictation might have taken place.  
2. Secondly, the kind of guidance in the BOOK is such that, though it seems to be visible through commonsensical approach, it is not; meaning, either it is perhaps too subtle for humanity to realize the importance of this or people in various societies can have their own definitions and standards for this, or both (or none). Therefore, humanity is being asked to adhere to the standard in the BOOK, irrespective of time, space, creed, etc. I beg your pardon, for I am having difficulty to articulate this point more clearly.  

Comments by: bob On 05 February 2011Report Abuse
I’m sorry I’m in a rush now, but I’ll try to clarify one point and attempt to present my view as originally intended.  
 
You are right Brother Aurungzeb, please accept my apologies for creating vagueness about my genuine brain wave regarding the word “nature”. To avoid ambiguity, please replace the word nature with "creation” or "the opposite of supernatural/metaphysical".  
 
When the term “creation” is mentioned, it encompasses EVERYTHING, which is discernible by our mind and senses. In other words, this creation is the opposite of mystic, supernatural, metaphysical and paranormal entities, which are not part of the creation, therefore not within the confines of which our sanity is able to distinguish.  
 
Physical Creation includes everything we can analyse and grasp; thus learn about.  
 
This may include for example:  
 
• Mental and behavioural elements of human beings and animals  
• Areas of the mind such as the subconscious  
• Thoughts and their waves  
• Brain and its functions  
• Actions and results  
• Human conditions as society, personalities, molester and victim etc  
• Social dynamics  
• How human being interact as individuals and as a community  
• The physical world and everything it provides  
 
(Then this is how i understand 52:34 ... Then let them produce a Hadith (explanation) like this if they are truthful. [2:23, 10:38, 11:13, 17:88] It is impossible to bring another “hadith” like the Quran because there is only one law everything is functioning according to, and its recorded in the Quran. What i then understand from why it cant be changed is these law's are unchangable, the physocological patterns one work under and the physical laws one operate through.)  
 
The above aspects of creation can be investigated, considered, evaluated and understood; they are not supernatural phenomenon.  
 
Oppositely, the Metaphysical includes everything that is not perceptible by the mind or senses; something we can never fully comprehend.  
 
This may include for example:  
 
• The one who created the “creation”  
• Knowledge which is not contained within this creation  
• Laws that may exist but are not workable in this creation  
• Rules which may exist but are not related to or enforced / welded to the law’s of the known creation  
• Regulations of which the known creation is not subject to  
• Anything beyond the perceptible scope of our psyche  
 
From this i understand why i can't understand the Creator, he is "out of this world" --> "God can not be comprehended (6:103)"  
 
 
Software applications or small programs are written using programming languages such as C++. They are bound to certain laws and rules which cannot be altered. Applications are written in code, which is visible to the programmer / software engineer but not to the end user of the application. The end user may have a “Graphical user interface” which is visible and available for them to use.  
 
Example: An author or software engineer programs a small database application which is used by a library. The end user (the librarians) utilise this system to track what books are being loaned to members of the public. The librarians are restricted to the functions of the application and are unable to carry out any operation that is not included within the software. The librarians are unable to modify or update the actual system as a whole.  
 
METAPHYSICAL WORLD /BEINGS cannot directly transmit information (in its original form) to our physical world; it may not be ascertained or understood by our mind!  
 
PHYSICAL WORLD/ BEINGS cannot decode, make sense of and cultivate any data conveyed by the metaphysical correspondent, as it is in an unknown indecipherable format.  
 
Because the prophets were part of the creation, they too were subject to the physical laws. That’s why they can’t comprehend the metaphysical signals. If the metaphysical creator wants to reveal something, he needs to do so through devices familiar to the recipient. The data would need to be transformed and transmitted using a signal that can be interpreted correctly by our mind.  
 
An analogy that can be presented is that of an SMS message being sent to a landline telephone. The message may not be received if the phone is a standard landline phone unable to receive text messages. If it is a text phone, the message sent may not be received in the correct format as you would expect with a message sent to a mobile phone device. If the Universe is the "landline", then it cant recieve text msgs from a "mobile".  
 
Another example is of an army base sending messages to certain regiments, who are fighting in a war. The General of the Army has gathered much intelligence, and has formed tactical instructions, which he intends to send to one party in a certain location. The general wants to send important confidential information to his Colonel and cannot afford for this to be disclosed to any other personnel. The General has a number of tools at his disposal and can choose how to submit orders to his officers. The Colonel however, only has an old HF transmitter and receiver to obtain information. The general encrypts the message and sends it in Morse code using a HF transmitter, to which the Colonel is able to decipher the message successfully. He then relays this message to the rest of the soldiers within his regiment.  
 
SO WHAT DID I MEAN WHEN I SAID: "I know The Creator exists, and I agree that he sent Rosuuls whom he chooses to reveal the secrets of guidance, which is the crystal-clear response for the succession of humanity. I just don’t agree with the standard theories regarding the way this knowledge was revealed. This knowledge is not to be revealed to anyone other than Rosuul, precisely because they are pioneers in the improvement thus far ahead of us. The clear-cut information around how they got it In particular and exactly how they calculated it is unknown to me, because for that I have to be a Rusool. "  
 
I’ll try to explain this by providing another example.  
 
In my class there was a boy who understood mathematics very well. The teacher never needed to explain anything to him; he was able to follow the methods written on the board, while others had to have detailed explanations over and over again.  
 
Now, we got the information from the same source, but what went on inside his head is unknown to me. It was baffling how he absorbed the information, calculated the figures and was able to come up with a solution without much difficulty. How he was able to fathom the methods and process the information is beyond my comprehension because I was not lucky enough to be adorned with the same faculty of brain power he was equipped with.  
 
That's what I meant with the above statements. I do not know how the prophet decoded and conveyed the information because I do not have his brain. But I’m convinced of where he receives his information from; it is from the created universe, the creation familiar to his senses. (The information/ Quran ITSELF is about the creation, and not about the "outer world", so to understand the information related to (and about) the creation, he must have recieved it through the creation itself)  
 
Brother and sisters, i hope i succeded to present my view as originally intended. . Thank you.

Comments by: bob On 05 February 2011Report Abuse
Brother Dawood  
 
You're absolutely right dear brother; opinions are nothing but opinions and have nothing to do with the reality as so long as they are not supported by facts. And in this case, our opinions have to be supported by the Quran. We are here trying to share our perceptions and understanding of ayats in the Quran.  
 
You said  
 
"1. The arguments and the opinion, no matter how logical they are, would remain our opinions, unless we support these from the BOOK. For example, does the BOOK support the idea or hypothesis that the messenger might have learned it through the observation of natural laws and then put it in the written form? In my understanding it does not. "  
 
Dear brother, didn’t the Quran say in Sura Baqarah 97  
 
“lijibreela fa-innahu nazzalahu AAala QALBIKA BI ITHNI ALLAHI ”  
 
Say: Whoever is an enemy To Gabriel—for he brings down The (revelation) to thy HEART BY GODS WILL,  
 
Jibreel is revealed on the "heart" of Rusool by God's will  
 
Please reflect, how can something be revealed by Gods Will (law) at someone’s heart/ Mind? Is this verse not clear in how the information were given? The way I understand it, it is clear,  
 
By Gods law  
 
at the Qalb/ MIND  
 
of the Rusool !  
 
In urdu, Dil main baat utar gaye, dil main baat kaise utarti hai? Jub SAMAJH ajae  
 
Brother Dawood:-"The tone and the wording in the BOOK seem to indicate a dictated writing, such as "say", "pronounce", etc."  
 
Bob  
 
Every Rusool at any time is command to "say" the following verse, not only S Mohammed.Commands, directions, guidelines, orders and instructions are to be proclaimed, announced, and SAID to make known to the society. It goes for every time by every messenger. They are basically commaned to SAY the command in order to make it known the society.  
 
 
(Please allow me to copy Dr Qamar's reply to clarify the word "nazzalu":- http://www.aastana.com/blog/aastanablog.asp?SID=7&QID=672  
 
The confusion starts when we consider the meanings of نزول as descent from above with a concept that God is sitting somewhere above in skies and drops down or sends things from there .let me quote a verse to decide the meanings of نزول  
 
وَمَنْ أَظْلَمُ مِمَّنِ افْتَرَى عَلَى اللَّهِ كَذِبًا أَوْ قَالَ أُوحِيَ إِلَيَّ وَلَمْ يُوحَ إِلَيْهِ شَيْءٌ وَمَنْ قَالَ سَأُنْزِلُ مِثْلَ مَا أَنْزَلَ اللَّهُ  
 
93. and who can be more unjust than He who invents a lie against Allâh, or says: "I have received inspiration," whereas He is not inspired In anything; and who says, "I will reveal the like of what Allâh has revealed  
 
This is an orthodox translation and you can see even in this translation that a person is called unjust when he claims  
1…,and invents lies against Allah ,  
2…,and / or he says he also receives Wahee  
3…, “I will reveal the like of what Allah has revealed .  
Note that in this verse when a liar claims that  
 
" سَأُنْزِلُ مِثْلَ مَا أَنْزَلَ اللَّهُ " the translation of سانزل becomes I will reveal.and نزل is translated as to reveal .  
 
Another example from verse 25 of sura57  
 
لَقَدْ أَرْسَلْنَا رُسُلَنَا بِالْبَيِّنَاتِ وَأَنْزَلْنَا مَعَهُمُ الْكِتَابَ وَالْمِيزَانَ لِيَقُومَ النَّاسُ بِالْقِسْطِ وَأَنْزَلْنَا الْحَدِيدَ فِيهِ بَأْسٌ شَدِيدٌ وَمَنَافِعُ لِلنَّاسِ وَلِيَعْلَمَ اللَّهُ مَنْ يَنْصُرُهُ وَرُسُلَهُ بِالْغَيْبِ إِنَّ اللَّهَ قَوِيٌّ عَزِيزٌ  
 
25. indeed we have sent Our Messengers with clear proofs, and revealed with them the Scripture and the balance (justice) that mankind may keep up justice. and we brought forth iron wherein is mighty power (in matters of war), as well as many benefits for mankind, that Allâh may test who it is that will help Him (his Religion), and his Messengers In the unseen. Verily, Allâh is All-Strong, All-Mighty.  
 
This is another orthodox translation and you can see even in this translation that  
َأَنْزَلْنَا مَعَهُمُ الْكِتَاب is translated as “revealed with them the scripture “ And وَأَنْزَلْنَا الْحَدِيدَ is translated as brought forth iron .)

Comments by: aurangzaib On 06 February 2011Report Abuse
Dear Bob,  
 
You are well aware that it’s a free exchange of views with the target of learning. So, no apologies are ever needed in this close mutual interaction. We all equally contribute whatever we like to express; and the more we do it, the closer we are pulled to each other intellectually as well as a community.  
 
I frankly thought that the discourse was over, but it looks far from that. Normally a divine injunction serves as a decisive factor and, in that spirit, I had tried to explain the Verse: 17/85-6. This is the verse specifically dealing with the nature and the mode of WAHI. Although you wrote at length again, but I noticed you did not bring up the most pertinent - and decisive - Verse into your reflections.  
 
Well I may be wrong, but I do think that it was the exclusion of that Verse from your focus, that took you to task trying to explain things at length again.  
 
This time your focus was “Creation”, by which you replaced the earlier vague term “Nature”. (Sorry! The term is not vague itself, but I mean, that it was vague in the context of WAHI). I feel that somehow you wish the WAHI to be not “divine”, but to be some kind of extraction of “facts” or “realities” from within the physical world by the inherent or achieved qualities of a ‘special’ person. I only hope I have clearly read your mind on this topic.  
 
The word Creation you have used, however, might also not be relevant to present your thesis in a convincing manner. See for example, you say :  
 
“When the term “creation” is mentioned, it encompasses EVERYTHING, which is discernible by our mind and senses. In other words, this creation is the opposite of mystic, supernatural, metaphysical and paranormal entities, which are not part of the creation, therefore not within the confines of which our sanity is able to distinguish.”  
 
However, the dictionary does not support this definition. It says :  
 
“CREATION:  
the act of creating something, or the thing that is created  
e.g., the creation of a new political party  
Other meanings/synonyms:  
macrocasm, existence, universe, cosmos, world, beginning, commencement, start, origination, institution, instauration, innovation, founding, initiation, foundation, conception, artifact, creative activity.”  
 
You see “Creation” does not cover “mental or sensual” processes within your mind, consciousness or psychology. “Creation” does not encompass your inspirations, intuitions or, simply, feelings unless, of course, you express them by your words, gestures or in writing.  
 
You said: “this creation is the opposite of mystic, supernatural, metaphysical and paranormal entities, which are not part of the creation,…”.  
 
True. But there are also things like consciousness, psychology, inspiration, intuition, vision, imagination, etc., which are also opposite to “Creation”, but not part of “mystic, supernatural, metaphysical and paranormal”.  
 
So, while we need not go after the “mystic, supernatural, metaphysical and paranormal”, we still can perceive WAHI as the product of our sensory perception through INTUITION (from God). How else the “Absolute Universal Ideas and Values and Forms” can appear in the mind of a MAN living in Arabia 1400 years ago except through Divine sources.  
 
You referred to a pertinent Verse in your post to Brother Dawood which helps in our discussion at this particular point :  
 
“Say: Whoever is an enemy To Gabriel—for he brings down The (revelation) to thy HEART BY GODS WILL,”  
 
The HEART, we know is MIND. And INTUITION, we also know, comes to a man’s mind. Therefore, to me, the puzzle is solved for the time being. WAHI might have been originating in the mind of the Prophet through the process of intuition – caused by Divine Will.  
 
But still, I am of the opinion, that in view of Verse: 17/85-6, we are just speculating on this issue because our quest to know is insatiable.  
 
However, if someone may still think that WAHI was the essence of the intellectual achievements of a man called Mohammad – and the Divinity had nothing to do with that - I have several more probing questions for him to answer.  
 
God bless you.  
 

Comments by: Nargis2 On 06 February 2011Report Abuse
Dear brother Aurungzaib  
 
The word Creation you have used, however, might also not be relevant to present your thesis in a convincing manner. See for example, you say :  
 
“When the term “creation” is mentioned, it encompasses EVERYTHING, which is discernible by our mind and senses. In other words, this creation is the opposite of mystic, supernatural, metaphysical and paranormal entities, which are not part of the creation, therefore not within the confines of which our sanity is able to distinguish.”  
 
However, the dictionary does not support this definition. It says :  
 
“CREATION:  
the act of creating something, or the thing that is created  
e.g., the creation of a new political party  
Other meanings/synonyms:  
macrocasm, existence, universe, cosmos, world, beginning, commencement, start, origination, institution, instauration, innovation, founding, initiation, foundation, conception, artifact, creative activity.”  
 
You see “Creation” does not cover “mental or sensual” processes within your mind, consciousness or psychology. “Creation” does not encompass your inspirations, intuitions or, simply, feelings unless, of course, you express them by your words, gestures or in writing.  
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I'm a bit confused here, how can mental or sensual processes within the mind not be part of the creation?  
 
you said other synonyms for creation are existence, universe. Does it mean the mental or sensual part is not part of the existence/universe, and thats why its not part of the creation?  
 
Could you suggest another word that would encompass EVERYTHING, which is includes all that is discernible by our mind and senses ?  
 
This is very interesting.

Comments by: William On 06 February 2011Report Abuse
The term “creation” has many uses; biblically referenced it is referred to as everything that is created by God. I think this is what Brother Bob is pointing out. Everything he has written makes perfect sense to me!  
 
The term “divine” is given status by people who conform to things in a religious, spiritual or mystical manner. Their interpretation of this world or anything beyond is believed to be the work of “divine will”  
 
Why must it be referred to in such a way? What if indeed they are just realities of a working law designed by the creator? Why must they be frantically labelled because of our inabilities to understand?  
 

Comments by: Zubair On 07 February 2011
Dear All,  
 
I second Brother Dawood. The thoughts, opinions, and ideas expressed in these posts are marvelous. I am very impressed with Brothers Bob, Moazzam, and Aurangzaib as well as Sister Nargis for bringing up this forbidden topic.  
 
Last week, we received the Spring 2011 catalog from University of Pennsylvania Press. Unlike universities in Pakistan, almost every university in USA publishes dozens of new books on various topics every year. This catalog lists 72 new books. Among them is one book related to the topic under discussion. It is “Muhammad Is Not the Father of Any of Your Men” by David S. Powers, Professor of Near Eastern Studies at Cornell University. Here is an excerpt from the catalog.  
 
“Powers argues that theological imperatives drove changes in the historical record and led to the abolition or reform of key legal institutions. In what is likely to be the most controversial aspect of this book, he offers compelling physical evidence that the text of the Qur’an itself was altered.”  
 
I will try to obtain the book. Then, I will be able to share with you whatever physical evidence I find in the book.  
 
I agree with Brother Aurangzaib regarding Atheists. Unlike our Mullahs, they do not have cut-throat mentality. Hence, we should not fear them. Moreover, they are rational and their books are thought provoking. Currently, I am reading several books written by some prominent atheists, such as Isaac Asimov, Richard Dawkins, and Christopher Hitchens. Sadly, the last one is dying from cancer. I will post excerpts from each book. You will be surprised to learn that these atheists are very intelligent and rational beings. Also, they have reasons to reject a human god, who is the product of the imagination of religious clergy in every religion. Contrary to wide spread belief that atheists reject God, many atheists do believe in the existence of a Supreme Being or Creator. This is evident from the following quote by Konrad Lorenz, a renowned atheist.  
 
“As a scientist I am a pantheist. God shows himself everywhere; in every flower, in every plant, in every mountain, at every Sunset- though I do not believe in either eternal life or a white bearded God. I remain grateful to him nonetheless.”  
 
Brother Bob says, “…. and the human mind needs freedom to progress.” Unfortunately, there is no freedom of mind in Mullahism. That is why Mullah and their blind followers have failed to make any progress intellectually. We have not seen them making even a single discovery or invention during the past 1000 years or so.  
 
Last, the small font used on Forum strains eyes. Can Brother Adnan replace it with a bigger font that is comfortable to eyes?  

Comments by: AlAhmer On 09 February 2011Report Abuse
Just trying to understand the example brother bob provided. I am only going to concentrate on examples as they are best mean to convey message to lower being like myself. God (something) wrote a program (universe, blue planet etc) and people (end user) use it to interface/ to interact with the program (universe, blue planet etc). Program is perfect and provides all the functionalities that end user will ever need. Correct! Now just to push this example a little bit more. God (something) also wrote a program that created people (end users). We have to agree to this as well. Right!  
In perfect world this example works great and world is a peaceful place, as end users use the program and program is designed to address all their needs. We are all happy end user community. We don’t care about program and its programmer as it covers everything we ever need. Programmer (God) knows end user can’t understand its program and God (programmer) so he leaves this critical piece of information as it is incomprehensible. No user manual and no help commands provided initially. None is needed in this perfect situation.  
What is wrong with this picture? Nothing as it is beautiful picture and I want to live in that picture.  
Now God (programmer) also wrote a sub program that creates end users (evil) as well to find what is wrong with this perfect picture? (evil) cause a chaos by pointing out all the not peaceful things that perfect program provided. God also created another program to provide help in order to deal with (evil) who is destroying the peaceful world. The special program create a special channel to transfer this help file (Quran) to a very selected end user (prophet) that lives in this chaotic world that (evil) created. Prophet (selected end user) is special with many abilities that were hard to find in other end users. Prophet says I have a help file (Quran) from the programmer (God) that tell us how to fix these (evil) and chaotic world. Peaceful end users didn’t know the concept of programmer and program and now have to deal with understanding the concept of programmer and help file (Quran) to deal with (evil). Story can be extended if you guys really like it.  
This is pretty much the story we know or we can come up with for computer programmers. Do we disagree to this? This is what brother bob is saying if rest of the smoke is cleared up around this physical/meta physical/ creation, uncreated, created etc. Good stuff for sure.  
1- If program (universe) exist Programmer exist  
2- If programmer exist then help file (Quran) exists  
3- If help file(Quran) exist then prophet exists  
4- If prophet exist then channel of communication exist  
5- If channel of communication exist then special abilities to understand channel exist  
6- If special abilities to understand channel exist then people who don’t understand special abilities exist  
7- If people who don’t understand special abilities exist, argument to convince them exist  
This is thus far I can go as it will start an infinite loop (circular logic) as my program will hang up as zombie process. Just a techie talk for IT related brother to enjoy.  
Don’t take me wrong I admire my brother bob for taking a bold step to present his thoughts for microscopic analysis.  
My humble opinion is if it is God or Channel of communication (wahy) or Prophet Abilities are incomprehensible as historically man has venture on this task to understand many times then it was never intended to be comprehensible, in order words well formed figment of our imagination that introduced to us through centuries of refinement.  
My opinion is that it is just man’s desire to make sense of things from our perspective. In perfect world that the above example created if things suppose to work they should work then there was no need for Human God concept, guidance (books) and Prophets. We will be a peaceful community and all our needs fulfilled and singing “Kum Ba Ya”.  
But it is not perfect and we find reasons to transfer this imperfection somewhere else so we can feel that it is not us and find some way (guidance) to deal with imperfection. In my view guidance always existed among us for our use it us not looking for it or (evil) taking over the one who follow this guidance. It in self interest of evil to disguise guidance and it is self interest of good people to find guidance and legitimacy for it. Don’t take it wrong that I am denying God and rest of the things. It is hard programmed by my parents. Obviously it will create a new argument that God created evil so let not start that for now.  
Here is my example, my daughter draw a picture she is only 4 so you can imagine the drawing. She always tell me a whole story about it what she see’s inside it. For me it is just page full of coloreful lines. Does this helps understanding the topic in hand?  

Comments by: Nargis On 09 February 2011Report Abuse
So how do you think Wahy is revealed to the prophets?  
 
How did God (something) call Rusool on his iphone and said hello this is my guidance,please give it to the people?  
 
How did he reveal the information and how did the Rusool know its true or not?

Comments by: dawood On 09 February 2011Report Abuse
Dear Br. Bob and other Brs/Srs, SA:  
 
Sorry it took me rather long to get back to you on this. Please consider the following:  
Messengers/ANBIYAS are selected by the Creator after they have come to a certain standard; please see 20:40-41, 19:51, and 3:42; etc. Do we know the standard against which the Creator is measuring/comparing these individuals? I don't think we know this? If you do know this, please let me know too. One thing is clear though; Everything is according to the Laws set by the Creator. Do we know all those laws? I am sure we all know the answer to this???  
 
similarly, the One who selected the NABIYAS/Messengers is also responsible to provide them with a message according to (or within) His laws, else there is no point in selecting them. Getting inferences and conclusions through observing nature both physical/non-physical is surely one (or more) of His laws. Scientists do this all the time. Did anyone ever report anywhere that "he/she is/was commanded to announce .......such and such ...?" I think if anyone ever did so, the medical dictionary has a special name for it. My humble opinion is that the BOOK does not support the idea that the Creator first selected those individuals as His messengers and then left them to infer the message from the nature and then add words like Say, Announce, etc. Moreover, if the inference is left to the messengers, how would the integrity of the right inference be safeguarded?  
 
I don't know Arabic language. I have barely started reading various arguments by Dr. QZ, and others. My humble understanding is that even the words and the way those words are chosen and constructed within the BOOK are not up to the messengers to chose from. The question from Sister Nargis still remains unanswered. This question may remain unanswered until we undertake an exhaustive search of the Universe that contains His Laws.  

Comments by: dawood On 09 February 2011Report Abuse
I forgot to add one more thing in the above: Our search about how the Creator communicated with His messengers could be facilitated if He has provided some direct or indirect clues in the BOOK about the way He communicated with them. Does someone know any such clue/reference in the BOOK?  
 
May Allah bless you all for your marvelous work and thoughts. I remain indebted to all of you for it has been a tremendous learning experience. I hope to continue this journey, non-stop.

Comments by: aurangzaib On 09 February 2011Report Abuse
Dear Sis Nargis,  
 
You said “I'm a bit confused here, how can mental or sensual processes within the mind not be part of the creation?”  
 
It’s not only you. I am also confused. May be slightly more confused than you.  
I was contemplating upon what Bob said :-  
 
“this creation is the opposite of mystic, supernatural, metaphysical and paranormal entities, which are not part of the creation,…”.  
 
I agreed.  
But then, I think that “the mystic, the supernatural, the metaphysical and paranormal entities are also part of our mental or sensual processes within the mind”. It is our mind that perceives and senses them!!! How else shall we know about this phenomena? O.K.? If you exclude them from “Creation”, as Bob has done, then essentially some other MENTAL PHENOMENA like “consciousness, psychology, inspiration, intuition, vision, imagination, etc. will also have to be excluded from “Creation”.  
 
And WAHI is, perhaps, related to one of these phenomena!!!  
 
This was what I meant. Ha…ha…ha…(Kuchch na samjhe Khuda kare koi).  
 
Moreover, all the synonyms for "Creation" I listed, are from Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary, and they also don't cover perhaps the above mental phenomena. Please check.  
 
In the end, Brother Dawood has written something very convincing, as he has referred to the divine source. If we take his words as conclusive, this discussion on abstract realities can come to its logical end. But if we like otherwise, this topic is the favorite one for endless speculation and untiring mental wrestling.  
 
Good luck.  

Comments by: AlAhmer On 09 February 2011Report Abuse
My dear sister Nargis your questions are valid and powerful. Don't feel I am trying to misled. We are still free to believe what we like.  
Your questions first assume the existence of God. If you assume that based on a certain criteria then it will dictate the next steps. This is what I tried to mention in my comment. If there is God then he must have created everything including us. If so then why he felt the need to send guidance if he knew that we will never understand the best way to live. If he knew we don't know we can't live without guidance why not create us with that information. Obviously he can't forget this. If it was necessary then it could be easier and simpler than a obscure concept that require Ph.D in Philosophy. There are not many philosopher in this world and they have not been successful. Every time people use philosophical language I need a pain killer to read through it :-) so I am just cutting the chase behind the words and say it simple way.  
When I send the list of arguments from philosophical standpoint, the purpose was that we can see how our argument match to these. It is interesting brother Bob argument is mix of Cosmological Argument and Teleological Argument. But he is right about one thing that this is how he (brother bob) understands it. He is not saying that we all should understand this way. Obviously I am not on the wagon in this case. I am sorry for that.

Comments by: Nargis2 On 09 February 2011Report Abuse
Brother Dawood and all, one thing we know for sure, this standards is measured by the intellect. Had God chosen prophets because of their appearance, He would in truth been a shallow God:-O If the prophets were chosen because of their bloodline, then the prophet is nothing in itself, he is just a robot.  
 
Another thing I am fully convinced of is, this standard they are chosen by, is because of their own hard work and efforts. They must have a character different than others and a search for the truth unique than the others.  
 
Look at S Moses and the naar he sees it from afar. See, he saw it here, in this world and creation. And only he saw it, no1 else. It tells us clearly that the guidance, naar is here and those who work hard for it, will see it. If it’s given to those who are born into a family or are good looking, then they won’t understand it. Their mind must be developed to “catch” the information and calculate it. So the standard must be made BEFORE they are chosen.  
 
I find it strange that 17:85-86 say you will not know the method how the rooh were revealed, but then it says Gabriel was revealed on the prophet’s qalb/ mind. Why say we won’t understand it, but then tell us it’s revealed on the mind?  
 
Call it speculations, but make room for them,,,,here we goooooooo : -)  
 
* we can know EVERYTHING about this world and all that is created, i.e. that which is measurable and successful. Everything that is for our senses to get hold of, is here to give information  
 
*We can speculate about metaphysical/supernatural/mystical entities, simply because the human mind is endowed with the urge to look for answers, and when he didn’t find them, he made up and answer. But, it’s never proven to be true and it’s all speculations. We know about a God through the creation, that’s why we know something outside of this creation exists, but it’s not for us to grasp.  
 
*We invented words like divinity to explain the unexplainable, and threw the responsibility to search in a trash bag.  
 
*The whole universe is full of knowledge we still can not find, because our brain is a subject for evolution and development through time. With the time we will get to know everything.  
 
*God has created us in a way so our intellect will be developed, but by our own efforts. If not then we simply don’t deserve to evolve. L’Oreal, coz you’re worth it, yeh?  
 
*Everyone is endowed with a brain, but only those of us who use it, are those who are able to see and understand more  
 
*What is the brain and intellect worth, if everything is served to us?  
 
*How will it develope, if we dont make an effort?  
 
*Its like not working, but recieve tankha every month  
 
(Brother Al ahmer, ponder on these points please)  
 
*Only those who use their minds deserve to find what their mind seeks  
 
but we have our limitations, the brain can only develop through the created, existing objects and measurable functions. Because everything is chained together, cause and effect, reason and outcome  
 
Rain is falling down because of the physical laws of water and its temperature. Likewise Human behavior is measurable through the psychological laws.  
 
*These restrictions apply to everyone, prophet or not,  
 
That’s why the prophets are astonishing beings; they are responsible for an outstanding effort and thus make themselves prophet through the laws of God. Whether it’s Physical and psychological calculations, they saw them and they put it words.  
 
The question is not whether God exists or not, the answer is, this universe exists and not all by itself.  
 
Who made it won’t lead us anywhere, but to calculate what he made and how he made, will lead us to develop our minds. That’s the primary goal of life  
 
If God asks me why I didn’t speculate about him, then ill tell him straight forwardly:- Because you didn’t give me much time, I tried to find out about everything present for my senses, first!!!  
 
(Brother Aurungzaib, kuch na samjhae Khuda kare koi, pehle khud try mar lene do hahaha)

Comments by: bob On 09 February 2011Report Abuse
Dear brothers and sisters, I'm ecstatic to share my way of thinking once more, and at the same time, call attention to the fact that this is my comprehension after reading Dr Qamar explanations!  
 
I have always wondered about wahy and how it would be revealed, because the angel stories were too fishy. So this is what I’ve absorbed; I do not twist things to suit my own opinion. It’s not what I want, but what I understand. To be honest, what I really want right now is a nice holiday doing nothing but listening to Mohammed Rafi.  
 
Feel free to be dissimilar of opinion; after all, I too am using this magnificent ability of divergence.  
 
41:6:- Say thou: "I am but a man like you: It is revealed to me by Inspiration”,  
 
So S Mohammed is a “basher” like the others, so he is created in the same manner as every other human being.  
 
Does God speak to the “basher”?  
 
42:51. it is not fitting for a man that God Should speak to him  
 
So God does not directly speaking to the basher, does he send down supernatural beings?  
 
6:8-9 said no…  
 
So we are left with three options  
 
42:51:-  
 
*except by inspiration,  
 
*or from behind a veil,  
 
*or by the sending Of a Messenger to reveal, with God's permission, What God wills: for He  
Is Most High, Most Wise.  
 
We know the Quran is revealed and given to the prophet by the creator, because 53:3:-  
 
nor does he say (aught) of (his own) Desire.  
 
Did he get it from behind a veil? From behind a veil is explained by Dr Qamar:-  
 
“Now what behind the veil means .To understand this you have to consider yourself to be behind a veil and trying to look through that veil .The objects on the other sides are not clear, so you make efforts to have a clear vision? So behind the veil means you have to put effort to understand the meanings of Wahi .These efforts include learning the language and the basics of Wahi (essense and the purpose)” http://www.aastana.com/blog/aastanablog.asp?QID=788  
 
So did he get it from another messenger? No, I don’t think so, because 17:39 says: These are among the wisdom, which thy Lord Has revealed to thee. So it’s directly given to Rusool.  
We are left with the first option which is wahy/ inspiration.  
 
53:4. In huwa illa wahyun yooha  
 
53:4. It is no less than Inspiration sent down to him:  
 
Explained as: - “lijibreela fa-innahu nazzalahu AAala QALBIKA BI ITHNI ALLAHI”  
 
Revealed at his mind…  
 
The rest is explained above!

Comments by: Junaid On 10 February 2011Report Abuse
Salaam;  
 
Brother Bob and Sister Nargis, brilliant views and ideas expressed by both of you in your posts above and you two have given me a lot to ponder :)  
 
I would like to mention that apparently both of you used the word "MIND" to interpret the term "QALB".  
My question is, what does the term 'QALB' actually stands for? Is it brain, is it heart or is it both?  
 
Perhaps it's a silly question, though I would still request you to answer after watching the following;  
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/p00bb3b7/Discovery_The_Heart_Has_Its_Reasons  
 
Also please go through the following research by Institute of HeartMath  
 
http://www.heartmath.org/research/science-of-the-heart/introduction.html  
 
 

Comments by: Nargis On 10 February 2011Report Abuse
WS  
 
According to Allama Parwez:-  
 
Qalb ke bunyadi aini hai ultna paltna,lout pout karna.kisi cheez ko adalte badalte rehna.yani upar ka hissa niche aur niche ka hissa uper karna....  
 
* kio ke insan ka dil kabhi ek halat par nahi rehta balke lamhe badlamhe badalta rehta hai us lie ise bhi qalb kehte hai  
 
*Aur kio ke aqal aur baseerat ka kaam hai ke wo eshia aur us ke khaas ko achi tarha ulat palat kar dekhe aur phir kisi sahi natije par phohnche, is lie aqal ko bhi qalb kehte hai. Lughat Ul Quran page 1381  
 
ill try to upload a picture if you want ? dont know if i got the page nr right, im not good at urdu numbers yet :-(

Comments by: moazzam On 10 February 2011
Brother Bob and participants! Wahy vs Alkitab  
 
Please note the following points to solve the puzzle  
 
1:- Alkitab = Rooh al amin = Rooh al qudus see the verses 58/22,26/193,2/87,2/253,5/110,16/2,16/102,94/4  
2:- The verse 17/85, 52/33-34,is about the Alkitab( Rooh). How did it reveal we don’t know (ma utitum mi al ilmm-e- illa qalila). Read 17/73-89 to comprehend the concept.  
3:- There are two sources of Wahy for all rasool/imam/nabi (past,present,and a prophet of future), first one is universal values / laws of nature (as bob described in detail in his posts, second one is wahy from Alkitab (as I described in clause no 5 as following,see the verses 35/31,42/52,40/15, 21/91,66/12,32/9,15/29,42/7,  
4:- So the prophet of the time has two source of guidance in their hands to guide their nation according to their time, see the verses 57/25.  
5:- Alkitab has been given to all the prophets see the verses 2/2,2/44,2/53,2,87,2/113 (there are other 232 verses of Quran) where you will find the ALKITAB. After pondering in to Qura’n my inference is ,that, same ALKITAB have been given to every rasool /Nabi As i wrote in my previous post about ALKITAB, that, we should consider the names of personalities and places (written in quran ) as the ISME TAUSIFI(attribute),also the stories written in quran ,in a sense that, "these are the divine examples set down for the guidance of mankind This book is beyond time and space, the similes would be implemented in the present situation of that era, for example today's FIRAON,today's MUSA,today's haroot maroot could be determined by their attributes(wasf). FOR ELABORATION OF VERSES OF QURAN THERE IS NO NEED OF SHAN E NAZOOL. The IMAM E WAQT(rasool) will consult the quran and with the resembling examples will solve the present issues. Try to find out AAJ KA ZULQARNAIN,AAJ KA FIRAON,AAJ KA MUSAand AJJ KI BANI ISRAIL. The name of rusul and all characters (yahood,nasara,bani israil,yajooj majooj,haroot maroot)should be taken as the ATTRIBUTES,not as a proper noun. The names like maryam,mohammad,ibrahim,mosa,yahya,noha,saleh etc should be taken as an ISM E TAOSIFI. 2:- Go to the verse 15/9, the ZIKR,and QURAN is the same ALKITAB. See to the verse 7/145,7/150,7/154, 85/22,54/13 here we find the word LOH,this also means the ALKITAB/SUHOF.Now you consolidate these all verses with respect to their context we conclude the protection of ALKITAB  
3 :-The verse 2/129 describes the duties assigned to rasool,it means any body who is performing the same duty, falls in the category of rasool(imam). RASOOL / IMAM will remain in the societies till the dooms day.Go through 2/129,3/164,10/74,16/36,16/89,17/15,28/59,40/34,also the comments of opponents (non- believers)are the evidence ,that the rasools are not predestined supper human see verse 17/94,25/41.The story of prophet Abraham verse 2/124, and the whole story of prophet musa along with prophet Haroon ,also vers7/124 ,20/13 shows the testing and selection criteria as a rasool/nabi.  
 
CONCLUSION IS THAT, Mr. bob and Sister Nargis are very right in their comprehension of wahy from Allah to his messengers to guide the man kind except Alkitab (Rooh)  

Comments by: bob On 10 February 2011Report Abuse
Thank you so much most respected and beloved brother Moazzam.Now I understand Brother Aurungzeb’s reference to 17:85-86 and his conception.  
 
A couple of years ago I had many questions and was mystified. I had a great difficulty to speak my mind for the reason that my mind-set and thoughts were all muddled.  
 
I had loads of questions and couldn’t find resolution in Allama Parwez’s books, which made me agitated. Thank God I found Dr Qamar’s books and thus my questions were explained and I obtained more than I thought I would ever have need of. When I saw Brother Aurungzeb and Zubairs posts at Ourbeacon, I was inspired and thought one day I hope ill grow to be just like them.  
 
I am extraordinarily conscientious when it comes to admiring and praising people in a forum, just to avoid spotlight on personalities, but sorry to say, this time I can’t help it. What I have learned from Dr Qamar, brother Moazzam and all of the Aastana team is something I can’t express with vocabulary.  
 
It is a mark of distinction to be part of Aastana team.  

Comments by: Mubashir Syed On 11 February 2011Report Abuse
Dear All, i think to understand nature of Wahi and concept of God we need to sacrifice THE COW.  
 
** To understand meaning of cow please see Dr QZ's comment with below link  
http://www.aastana.com/blog/aastanablog.asp?QID=41  
 
Note : Not sure if it makes sense to on goin topic.................  
 
Thanks,  
Mubashir Syed

Comments by: dawood On 11 February 2011Report Abuse
Thank you Br. Moazzam, very nice explanation. I am still confused about the following though: Does Al-kitab mean the bound and the written BOOK, Al-Quran? Or the Al-Quran represents the written, bound BOOK, and the term or terminology Al-Kitab represent the essence, the Wahi, the understanding of the Book? Can you or any other Br/Sr please throw some more light on this. May Allah reward you all.

Comments by: moazzam On 11 February 2011 Edit Delete
Dear Dawood! How "ROOH (ALKITAB) existed in to being (WA YESALOONAKA AN ARROH) here is our limitation to explain the mystery, GO TO THE VERSE 17/85-86.Mind after pondering in to Qura'n, any perceiving thought / idea conceived in a prophets mind to guide his nation at right path , is also called Wahy from Allah see the verse 35/31. Remember, the verses 2/106, 22/52, are for the wahy in particular as mentioned above OR Wahy ( conceiving of thoughts) he got from the AYAAT HE OBSERVES IN THE UNIVERS. these AYAAT COULD BE REPLACED WITH NEW ONE WHICH WOULD BE MOST SUITABLE ( ACCORDING TO THE SITUATIONS OF THAT TIME, IN THE SAME / DIFFERENT ERA" So the story (of orthodox ) regarding NASIKH WA MANSOOKH OF AYAAT FROM QURAAN IS FALSE.  
 
 

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the quran has been devided into RAKOO'AT and PARAS.is this division right Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 03/07/2010
 
dear dr qamar zaman is the hell eternal despite of the mercy of God Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 06/07/2010
 
Aslamoalikum Dr. Qamar I have to ask you a question about life after death Question by: ali.haideer From PAKISTAN (LARKANA) On 11/07/2010
 
Dr Qamar and Aurangzeb Bhai, there is a verse in Quran 8:63 and 49:10,3:102 my question is about these verses, let me explain my question. Question by: ali.haideer From PAKISTAN (LARKANA) On 11/07/2010
 
is burying the dead in grave neccessary ?hindus burn their dead is it right? Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 11/07/2010
 
Dear Docter Qamer-uz-Zaman, A.A 1. Please explain in what sence Quran is the word of GOD? Question by: pervez On 11/07/2010
 
Dear Docter Qamer, In your opinion how for Iqbal"s philosophy of Khoodi is in cnfirmity with quranic teachings. Question by: pervez On 11/07/2010
 
i have heard that the prophet uzair was given death for 100 year by allah and then he was arosen.is it not a miracle?is it real plz expalin Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 13/07/2010
 
salaam Dr. Sahib, plz explain 5:101 and 102. what kind of question would those be that would turn people into disbelievers? Question by: shireen On 16/07/2010
 
Aslamolalikum Dr Qamar: I want to ask a question about Economical System, I am explaing it below. Question by: ali.haideer From PAKISTAN (LARKANA) On 16/07/2010
 
Dr. Qamar there are verses in Quran whose usual translation give the whole pictures of Human development but it is imposible to believe on these verses 1400 years ago,therefore plz give the exact translations of all those verses. Question by: ali.haideer From PAKISTAN (LARKANA) On 16/07/2010
 
Assal O Allaikum Paidaish Masih main Aap Ne yahya Ka Zikar kia (Salasa Alleel) 3 Raat hey Aap Ne is ka mafhoom Kaha Se lia he Aur Dorr-e-Zulmat ye kaha se lia he.( Aamrati ) Jis se murad Aurat K hain Aap Ne is se Muraad Qaum kaha se lia? Question by: babarsharif34@yahoo.com On 17/07/2010
 
dear dr qamar zaman i have seen mullah to quote (2:102) to prove black magic .i think this verse it too mistranslated.plz explian? Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 19/07/2010
 
is masturbation haram according to the following verse (23:5-7).i have seen mullah quoting this verse to prove masturbation haram.is it true? Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 24/07/2010
 
dr zakir naik interpretes the verse (21:30) as the prediction of BIG BANG THEORY.i ask dr qamar whether this interpretation is true?plz tell does the above verse really tells about the BIG BANG THEORY? thanks Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 25/07/2010
 
dear dr qamar zaman i argued with a person that quran is complete way of life(ZABITA E HAYAT).he told me if quran is complete than which sort of system it seems to establish.i will tell the rest part of question in comments becuse of the lak of sps Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 01/08/2010
 
dear aurangzaib or dr qamar is the clonning of human being allowed in islam? Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 07/08/2010
 
Why God did not sent women as Prophet to guide humanity? Any one may like to answere. Question by: pervez On 07/08/2010
 
dea aurangzaib can we say merry christmas to a christian? Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 08/08/2010
 
Dear Doctor Qamer sahib, A.A Allah is beyond human understanding but it is subject of Quran, why not life after death? Question by: pervez On 10/08/2010
 
IF QURAN IS BEYOND TIME AND SPACE WHY IT WAS REVEALED IN 23 YEARS? Question by: pervez On 10/08/2010
 
In accordance with QURANIC teachings is there any relationship of natural calamities like floods ,earthquakes etc with human deeds? Question by: pervez On 10/08/2010
 
dear aurangzaib does the Quran merely means RECITATION? Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 12/08/2010
 
Please review" wahdatul waajood " in the light of Quran? Question by: pervez On 13/08/2010
 
dear aurangzaiib is the verse (2:222-223) about MENSTRUATION?i think it is about something else not menstruation.plz tell me what it means Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 15/08/2010
 
dear auragzaib Mullahs say how we will distribute The "WAR BOOTY" among the" MUJAHIDIN" if we do not believe in hadith books.how the prophet distributed the war booty, the quran does not tell.How should i answer such blind mullahs.Thanks Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 17/08/2010
 
God has taken the responsibility of Quran for its protection, why not of other divine books if the message was the same and it was beyond time and space? Question by: pervez On 19/08/2010
 
dear auragzaib does ABUBAKAR mean the father of vigin(BAKIRA KA BAAP) or something else.plz tell me is calling him abubakar right.i think there is something wrong?Isn't it? Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 19/08/2010
 
dear aurangzaib does the verse " And the Thunder and other Malaika strive to glorify Him by carrying out there duties in awe of him (13:13) show that Malaika are the forces of nature?or it is mistranslated.?this is the translation of allama pervez Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 19/08/2010
 
dear aurangzaib can you plz tell me about the history of Firqa ahl e hadith i mean its emergence ,history etc. Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 21/08/2010
 
Dear aurangzaib Does islam allows to kill or punish people like Salman Rushdi?i think islam can not allow.am i right? Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 22/08/2010
 
did moses really killed a man by hitting him according to surah qasas? Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 23/08/2010
 
Dr Qamar sahib has reffered to a book Tafhim Ul Quran book 2 last line page 80 in the link below http://www.aastana.com/blog/aastanablog.asp?SID=40&QID=453 I want to ask which book is it?who has writen this? Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 25/08/2010
 
It is said that Abu Bakar launched Jihad against a group of people that refused to give ZAKAT.Is it right? Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 25/08/2010
 
GOD IS ONE BUT WHY AT TIMES HE USES THE WORD WE, (NAHNO,PLURAL) INSTEAD OF I, (SINGULAR) WHEN HE ADDRESSES HUMAN-BEINGS IN HIS BOOK? Question by: pervez On 26/08/2010
 
WHAT IS THE CONCEPT OF INTEREST (SOOD) IN ACCORDANCE WITH QURAN? Question by: pervez On 26/08/2010
 
salaam Dr. Sahib, 1. what is the purpose of saying pbuh for prophets/messengers. does it give them peace after they are dead? 2. why especially for Muhammed and not for other prophets/messengers? Question by: shireen On 27/08/2010
 
Out of fourteen major religions of the world, is Islam the best religion to follow ? It can be noted that out of 6.5 billion world population only 1.4 billion are Muslims; among whom only about 24% are practicing Muslim. Question by: bqayyum From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 27/08/2010
 
Dear Docter Qamer, PLEASE THROUGH SOME LIGHT ON HUMAN NATURE, IN THE LIGHT OF QURAN ? Question by: pervez On 28/08/2010
 
In the quran Allah says that the body of Pharo will be preserved (10:92).Today it is said that Faroah's body was dscovered during excavations in 1898 .Is it the body of pharoa or this verse is mistranslated? Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 28/08/2010
 
What is the significance of genotype and phenotype of a persons upbringing in the light of Quran? Question by: pervez On 02/09/2010
 
Dear aurangzaib the Lexicographer's of arabic were also IRANIS like Raghib,Ibne faris etc.And there is no lexicon writen in the age of prophet.is it possible that these IMAMS may also have done some corruption like the IMAMS of ahadith? Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 05/09/2010
 
Dear Docter Qamer , Please give references of Quranic verses which guarantees individuals life after death? I request humbly for Docter Sahibs personal answer. Question by: pervez On 08/09/2010
 
Salam Qamar Sb, my question is that if we search gradually development of islam according to Muhammad's mind, then ultimately we concludes that Muhammad borrowed as Sikh pioneer Nanak did, is it true? please reply comprehensively? Question by: amnesty4all On 11/09/2010
 
Dear Docter Sahib , kindly explain verse no 81/19 sura taqweer ayat no 19. Question by: pervez On 12/09/2010
 
Dear aurangzaib or dr qamar can you plz prove KASHAF and ILHAM fake from Quran? Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 13/09/2010
 
Dear Dr Sahib and brother aurangzaib can you plz tell me that what was the teaching method of prophet muhammad he was a mualim (teacher) so how he explained the KITAB and HIKMAH? Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 14/09/2010
 
Dear Dr Qamar and aurangzaib i ave a question regarding the translation of verse(5:103).i will explain my question below in comments due to the lack of space. Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 17/09/2010
 
KINDLY EXPLAIN IN DETAIL , AYAT NO 5-6 OF SURA AL-MOMINOON? Question by: pervez On 19/09/2010
 
Please explain verse 33 of sura noor? Question by: pervez On 19/09/2010
 
Please translate verse 223/2. traditional translation is, Question by: pervez On 21/09/2010
 
Dear brother aurangzaib i want to ask you was prophet muhammad given WAHI outside the quran?is there any verse in the quran which says that Prophet Muhammad was not given WAHI outside the quran?Thanks Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 21/09/2010
 
Please explain Ayat no 34 of sura al-nisa. Question by: pervez On 22/09/2010
 
what the Quran says about the theory of evolution?Does the quran suport it? Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 23/09/2010
 
Dear Dr Sahib and brother Aurangzaib kindly expalin what SUNNAT is according to the Quran? Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 27/09/2010
 
Please explain concept of Praying in Islam? Please do not not mix it with Namaz. Question by: momin From PAKISTAN On 29/09/2010
 
Please briefly describe economic values Quran desires to be followed in a welfare state? Question by: pervez On 30/09/2010
 
Please briefly describe political values Quran desires to be followed in an Islamic state? Question by: pervez On 30/09/2010
 
What should be the salient features of the defense of an Islamic state in the present scenario in the light of Quranic values ? Mubashir Syed to please include your views on keeping weapons of mass destruction. Question by: pervez On 01/10/2010
 
Historically speaking, a Muslim soldier fights courageously, world knows that, question is why? Question by: pervez On 01/10/2010
 
Please explain origin and meaning of word Allah in Arabic language? Question by: pervez On 09/10/2010
 
Please discuss evolution in the light of" Kun fayakoon" Question by: pervez On 10/10/2010
 
What is God's interest in our well being when he is omnipotent. Please answer this stupid question? Question by: momin From PAKISTAN On 11/10/2010
 
Where is Muslim world found today in view of new definition of , Muslim, momin etc and does there exist Muslim Umma in these modern times? Question by: momin From PAKISTAN On 11/10/2010
 
salam dr shab janab sey arz hey k hum english nai jantey,hum kesey quran samaj saktey hain hamarey jeasey kafi loog hain jo ser urdo jantey hain hamara bhe huk hey k deen sumjhain. aghar deen main ibadat nai hey to (maksad e hayyat)kiya hey Question by: iqbalasghar From PAKISTAN (SARA E ALAMGIR) On 14/10/2010
 
salam, janab dr sahab jawab aap sey manga thaa jawab koi or deeta hey kiya ye theek hey ye bhi ho sakta hey k jawab deney walla meri tara k student ho brae mehbani khood jawab dain shukria Question by: iqbalasghar From PAKISTAN (SARA E ALAMGIR) On 18/10/2010
 
PLEASE REVIEW SIGNIFICANCE OF" MAIHER" IN MUSLIM MARRIAGE LAW IN THE LIGHT OF QURAN? Question by: pervez On 21/10/2010
 
sr. mere sawal kajawab nahi mila jin aurat ka shohar marr jae woh 4 mahina 10 din ki eddat kion karti he? haqqoqunnissa parh leney k bad phi sawal mera yahi he ? Question by: babarsharif34@yahoo.com On 21/10/2010
 
Please explain "QAYAMAT" in detail? Will it come when the whole universe will be destroyed and ALLAH will disclose NAMA-I-AIMAL of every individual and his fate for paradise or hell will be decided? Question by: momin From PAKISTAN On 22/10/2010
 
Gay's, homosexuals claim they are born like that....What do our Astanamembers have to say about it ? Question by: Nargis From BARBADOS (KIO BATAO?) On 22/10/2010
 
Salaamun 'Alaikum, After careful research and study on some 'key' Quranic concepts, I realize that we are to ESTABLISH DEEN in our lives REGARDLESS of the Secularists and their man-made laws. What are your thoughts on this viewpoint? Question by: Damon From UNITED STATES (PITTSBURGH) On 23/10/2010
 
does the concept of hoor exist in christianity?plz help me know it.i need it very much Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 26/10/2010
 
Sir, AAP KI KITAB HAQIQAT MALAIKA PARHHI AIK SAWAL THA. ALLAH NE HAMAIN MALAIKA PAR IMAN LANE KO KAHA HE. AGAR AAP NE JO TAREEF KI MALIKA KI TO US PAR IMAN KA KIA TALOQ BANTA HE. Question by: babarsharif34@yahoo.com On 05/11/2010
 
Some Aastana peer watch the Video on the link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaCWVXNByTc) and comment on its religious aspect Shariq Question by: SS From CANADA (VANCOUVER) On 05/11/2010
 
Have you read Question by: Nargis From BARBADOS (KIO BATAO?) On 07/11/2010
 
We have discussions about life after death and how disruptive it was to imagine that there is no life after death. Question by: Nargis From BARBADOS (KIO BATAO?) On 08/11/2010
 
Is "wahy" part of "sunnat Allah"? If so, how does it works in relation to the laws of nature? Can it be proven? I have another question too (answer one,get one free)please explain 2:78, what it means& whts with the slaves, free, women, etc? Question by: Nargis From BARBADOS (KIO BATAO?) On 10/11/2010
 
MERRY EIDMAS AND HAPPY OLD YEARS,SORRY I MEAN CHRISTMAS MUBARIK . Question by: Nargis From BARBADOS (KIO BATAO?) On 16/11/2010
 
Dear Doctor Qamer ,Muslims believe Prophet Muhammad is "Khatim-un-nabeen" Kindly support this faith with reason? Question by: momin From PAKISTAN On 19/11/2010
 
Have a look at this : http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/origin.html Question by: Nargis From BARBADOS (KIO BATAO?) On 21/11/2010
 
IS QURAN A SIMPLE BOOK TO UNDERSTSND? Question by: momin From PAKISTAN On 23/11/2010
 
Someone please explain the "dream" concept of Prophet Yusuf? What do the Quran say about dreams,are they true or just thoughts? Im waiting,help:- O Question by: Nargis From BARBADOS (KIO BATAO?) On 24/11/2010
 
Dear Dr Qamar Zaman Please translate verse 2:219 correctly. "And they ask what they should give.Say what is surplus".Does the arabic word "AFU" means surplus? Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 27/11/2010
 
Salaam. Is the Quran saying anything about Aliens ,monsters from other planets etc :P?? Question by: Nargis From BARBADOS (KIO BATAO?) On 30/11/2010
 
There is an ongoing discussion on “Ourbeacon” regarding the phrase “Allah-hu-Akbar”. I believe the subject matter to be extremely profound, something which members of Aastana would appreciate reading. Question by: William From UNITED KINGDOM On 30/11/2010
 
Is there any word in the Quraan for BELIEFor BELIEVE? Is Islam an ideology(A comprehensive and coherent set of basic beliefs about political, economic, social and cultural affairs that is held in common by a sizable group of people within a society)? Question by: Hafiz Abdullah From PAKISTAN (RAWALPINDI) On 01/12/2010
 
What are the meanings of EIMAN n MOMIN in 49: 14-15? Question by: Hafiz Abdullah From PAKISTAN (RAWALPINDI) On 01/12/2010
 
Dear Dr Qamar Zaman do you believe that people can still get WAHI from Allah,and become Nabi?Do you not believe that Muhammad was the last who received direct knowledge from God?Why do you say Muhammad is appointing authority of other prophets? Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 02/12/2010
 
I have created a branch of the Aastana blog called "Linguistic & grammatical Exposition of the Quran" on Facebook and hope all of you join. nahi to..argg Question by: Nargis From BARBADOS (KIO BATAO?) On 04/12/2010
 
Dear All: Please go through my comments. Question by: Adnan Muhammad Khan From PAKISTAN (KARACHI) On 04/12/2010
 
PLEASE EXPLAIN AYAT NO 7 OF SURA 33 ( AL AHZAB) Question by: momin From PAKISTAN On 06/12/2010
 
Does Quran gives the concept of Nationhood or Countries as they exist today. If yes then what should be the mode and form of Government. Shariq Question by: SS From CANADA (VANCOUVER) On 07/12/2010
 
Dear Dr Qamarzaman: Plz enlighten us about the verse14/48 keeping in view the context of the subject from 42-52.Also the verses 11/107-108,with respect to the context 11/103-108.Thanks Question by: moazzam From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 15/12/2010
 
How many men and women claimed Prophet hood after Muhammad and did anyone of them made any significant achievement or influenced humanity positively? Question by: momin From PAKISTAN On 18/12/2010
 
Dear All, what is Ahmed Huluci's Ellah ( idoelogy ) of Islam ? Question by: Mubashir Syed From INDIA (HYDERABAD) On 20/12/2010
 
Plz explain 38:27, how can one become kafir if he think differently about the universe. Also explain 29:44,"signs in the heaven and earth for those who BELIEVE"? Question by: Nargis From BARBADOS (KIO BATAO?) On 24/12/2010
 
Dear Dr Qamar Zaman or brother Aurangzaib a person told me if God can communicate with Moses,Jesus and Muhammad.So why can he not communicate with anybody else today?Please answer my question.Thank you very much Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 25/12/2010
 
Why do people try to prove the Qur'an through science? We find science in other books than the Quran, why are not they labeled as "divine"? Question by: Nargis2 From TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO (TOMBACCO) On 26/12/2010
 
I wonder how and why the Human Beings have assumed the status of the best life spices on Earth (or Universe). The term "ASHRAF-UL-MAKHLUQAT" was also coined unilaterally without considering the significance of Mankind in the Universe. Shariq Question by: SS From CANADA (VANCOUVER) On 27/12/2010
 
Please watch , a good video on zakat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vtmZNziH6U&feature=player_embedded#! Question by: alam1162@gmail.com From INDIA (DELHI) On 29/12/2010
 
PLEASE DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN SCIENCE AND DIVINITY ? Question by: momin From PAKISTAN On 30/12/2010
 
AL-KITAB + LAWS OF NATURE, is divine guidance as Moazzem says, Why humanity was plunged in to religious wars??? SCIENTISTS NEVER FIGHT IF THEY ARE PROVED WRONG. Question by: momin From PAKISTAN On 31/12/2010
 
Muslims invented 5 pillows of Islam. Why learning Arabic is not mandatory in Islam?? Question by: momin From PAKISTAN On 31/12/2010
 
Dear Dr. Qamar Zaman: can you explain: [6/105] وَكَذَلِكَ نُصَرِّفُ الْآيَاتِ وَلِيَقُولُواْ دَرَسْتَ وَلِنُبَيِّنَهُ لِقَوْمٍ يَعْلَمُونَ Question by: M.N.Khalid From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 01/01/2011
 
Sura Baqra Ayah 223 "Your Women are a tilth for you, so go to your tilth as ye will ......". If Allah had to restrict husbands to wifes only then why was "AZWAJ" not used instead of "NISA". Here NISA means any woman (not necessarily wife). Shariq Question by: SS From CANADA (VANCOUVER) On 01/01/2011
 
Aap ke nazar me Tauheen e Risalat koi jurm hai ya nahi? 2- Tauheen e Risalat ke mujrim ko kia saza milni chahye? 3- kia ghair muslimo ko is baat ki ijazat honee chahyee ke wo Rasool e Akram PBUH ki shan me gustakhi kar saken? Question by: UMAR HUSSAIN On 04/01/2011
 
dear dr qamar sahib please translate the verse 4:34.thanks Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 06/01/2011
 
Has Human's beautiful (Animal) instincts and natural desires been checked by Divinity ? Question by: M.N.Khalid From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 08/01/2011
 
Is Sex allowed with Slave Women in Islam? Dr Zakir Naik http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UVmSQHquJc&feature=player_embedded#! Question by: mohd.areeb On 08/01/2011
 
Dear Dr Qamar sahib i am not noticing your presence on the blog.You know that without you this blog is nothing.I know you are very busy.But i request you to please give some time to the blog.Thank you very much Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 09/01/2011
 
http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/jan2011-daily/10-01-2011/col8.htm Every one is invited to comment on above cited column written by Ansar Abasi, especially. Dr. Sb., Aurangzaib sb., Moazzam Sb., Dr. Shahid and Sister Nargis. Question by: Adnan Muhammad Khan From PAKISTAN (KARACHI) On 10/01/2011
 
A tribe in Africa who exercise "incest", and believe it to be a divine law. A consequences of such action are injurious to following generations, What are those consequences ? Question by: M.N.Khalid From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 10/01/2011
 
What is good about the "Little Mosque on the Prairie"? Question by: Zubair From UNITED STATES (WASHINGTON) On 11/01/2011
 
Surah Al-Ahzab Ayat No.57 and 61.. for Mr.Adnan and others. Question by: UMAR HUSSAIN On 11/01/2011
 
How to increase your knowledge? Question by: Nargis2 From TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO (TOMBACCO) On 25/01/2011
 
Brother Aurangzaib, I read Q&A of the your blog and found this ref of "Tabqaat-e-Ibn-e-Saad" to Dr. Samreen On23 Sept2010, http://www.aastana.com/blog/aastanablog.asp?MID=4&SID=21. If the author of this book is `Abdullah ibn Sa`d Ibn Abi Sarh' Question by: Syeda On 29/01/2011
 
What is free will? What is basic instinct? How does free will separate man from animals? Question by: Junaid From PAKISTAN (KARACHI) On 31/01/2011
 
QURAN GIVES US PERMANENT VALUES BEYOND TIME AND SPACE, WHAT ARE THOSE? LET US ENUMERATE AND DISCUSS THEM ONE BY ONE? Question by: momin From PAKISTAN On 02/02/2011
 
Salaam Shalom shabba dabba do ,what is the "driving force" in Human beings, and what is the "nafs" thing? Are human beings superior to other creatures ? If yes, why?hhhhmmmm Question by: Nargis2 From TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO (TOMBACCO) On 17/02/2011
 
PERSONALITY IS CHANGELESSNESS IN CHANGE. WHAT IS THAT? Question by: momin From PAKISTAN On 25/02/2011
 
CAN PROPHETS MAKE MISTAKES? Question by: momin From PAKISTAN On 10/03/2011
 
Salaam to all (and me) ,What giant "fish" (whale/shark-zilla?) ate Prophet Yunus (37:142) Question by: Nargis2 From TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO (TOMBACCO) On 12/03/2011
 
Dear Aurangzaib and dr qamar sahib IS ALLAH THE ACTIVE FA'IL (DOER) IN THE UNIVERSE,OR HE HAS SET LAWS WHICH MANTAIN THE ORDER OF THE UNIVERSE?if allah is not the active fa'il will it not make him a far unapproachable God? n is allah a personal God? Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 15/03/2011
 
Please review law of DEET. Question by: momin From PAKISTAN On 16/03/2011
 
Dear brother aurangzaib plz let me know about the actual story of TOOFAN E NOH (noah flood).i think the so called n2I interpretation is fake.am i right? Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 18/03/2011
 
dear brother auragzaib plz let me know about the actual story of toofan e nooh.i think there is sth wrong with the so called n2i interpretation.am i right Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 18/03/2011
 
salaam Dr. Sahib, Does curse effect any one at all according to Quran? Question by: shireen On 22/03/2011
 
What's the point of mental development & how is it beneficial 4 the humanity? Does the Quran explain why we have to expand our capabilities when we are all goin to die anyway? how will Youm qayama have any meaning to me, when I'm not here? Question by: Nargis2 From TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO (TOMBACCO) On 22/03/2011
 
Good News As convener of Janat e Pakistan, Dr. AsarulIslam has nominated Mr. Aurangzaib Yousafzai as the adhoc President and “Party Leader” in Rawalpindi/Islamabad What are the Quranic injunctions for a political party ? Question by: SS From CANADA (VANCOUVER) On 23/03/2011
 
Congratulations to brother AURANGZAIB!!! Dear Brother Aurangzaib i have come to know that you have been choosen as the president of JANAT E PAKISTAN party.I am very happy and want to congratulate you from the core of my hear!!! Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 24/03/2011
 
Brother Moazzam! Should we join/launch any political party to establish the true Islamic state?? As there are already so many parties working under the same manifesto. Question by: naeem sheikh From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 24/03/2011
 
Can anyone announce manifesto of Jannet-i-Pakistan political party to see how it is different from manifesto of other political parties in Pakistan? Question by: momin From PAKISTAN On 24/03/2011
 
Will AI surpass Human Intelligence? Question by: Zubair From UNITED STATES (WASHINGTON) On 27/03/2011
 
Brother Aurangzaib ! With out you this blog seems like a picture with out color. eagerly waiting for your comments at mine 29th,march. HOWALLAZEE URSILA RASOOLAHO BIL HUDAA WA DEEN ALHAQQ LIYUZHIRAHO ALLADDIN-E-KULLIH, 6:33, 48:28, , 61:9 . Question by: naeem sheikh From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 30/03/2011
 
Could woman be an IMAM/NABI/RASOOL in a man dominating societies.While keeping in view her physical system, structure, and her psychology,also MALKA SABA.If not then what about in the societies where she has equal rights? Question by: naeem sheikh From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 30/03/2011
 
Moazzam saheb and Aastana Members! Your teachings reflects that there is no any predestined event being played at earth. What about the historical steps been described in Quran about prophet Musa and Yousaf see verses 12/4-5, 28/5-7?? Question by: Mujeeb From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 06/04/2011
 
The world has succeeded in creating global village by study of "lohimahfooz" and "Alkitab". Is it wise to struggle for a state having label of "Islamic state" which will create a sect in humanity and will not be acceptable even by Muslim Ummah? Question by: momin From PAKISTAN On 13/04/2011
 
1- Agr KHATIM ka matlab validater hae to MUHAMMAD se pehle kaun ye fareeza sr anjam deta tha? (haln keh Quran doosre nabbiun ka to zikr hae validater ka nahen) 2- Aur MUHAMMAD k bad ab kaun validater hae? Question by: Dr. Iqbal On 18/04/2011
 
In 3/81 " aur jb ham ne nabbiun se MISAAQ lya , jinhen ham ne KITAB aur HIKMAT de k jb tumhare pas koi RASOOL ae , us ki jo tumhare pas hae to tum us pe IMAAN le ana aur us ki NUSRAT krna....." wo kaunse NABI the aur RASOOL hen aur IMAN ka matlab? Question by: Dr. Iqbal On 18/04/2011
 
My dearest brother bob,please throw light on following ayats, sura haj ayat 47, almaaruj ayat 4, ayat 17 : 52 , ayat 10 : 45 , ayat 23 : 113. Question by: momin From PAKISTAN On 22/04/2011
 
In the present scenario of changing human civilization, Does the institution of family holds permanent value beyond time and space? What guidance we get from Quran. Question by: momin From PAKISTAN On 27/04/2011
 
Dear Dr Qamar Zaman, I wondered if the Quran are making any statements which are not certifiable, or describes mechanisms that our mind cannot understand? If yes, then how are such claims and depictions advantageous? Question by: bob From UNITED KINGDOM On 30/04/2011
 
Dear Members, I want to know about the true story of Toofan e Nooh. Is it different from orthodox story? Wassalam Question by: Saeed From PAKISTAN (KARACHI(MSAEEDTAJ@GMAIL.COM)) On 01/05/2011
 
Dear members, please share your valuable thoughts about these questions Question by: bob From UNITED KINGDOM On 03/05/2011
 
IF AASTANA MEMBERS ARE NOT CLEAR AT THE VERY BASIC (IMPORTANT) ISSUE OF HAYAT ADDUNYA and AKHIRAH, HOW WOULD THEY GUIDE THE PEOPLE LIKE ME? PEOPLE LIKE MR MOAZZAM COULD ONLY MISGUIDE,AS I POINTED OUT IN THE BEGINNING.BE AWARE Question by: Mujeeb From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 03/05/2011
 
Dear All, does Quran try to convince people about existence of GOD which cant be proved??? Question by: Mubashir Syed From INDIA (HYDERABAD) On 04/05/2011
 
HAZRAT ALLAMA MOAZZAM SAHAB ! Enlighten us about the ALLAH O AKBAR. Question by: Mujeeb From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 05/05/2011
 
DearAurangzaib and Aastana members! Could atheist be included in the glad tiding offered to mankind in verse 2/62 . Question by: Mujeeb From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 06/05/2011
 
Can the Existence of God, as the Creator, be scientifically proved, irrespective of Quran's verdict that the nature of His existence can't be comprehended? Question by: aurangzaib From PAKISTAN On 12/05/2011
 
Allama moazzam Sahab ! IS POLYGAMY HARAM IN ISLAM AS A SPECIAL CASE ? For more detail read my comments Question by: Mujeeb From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 13/05/2011
 
What is alam-i-amer and alam-i-khalq, Question by: pervez On 16/05/2011
 
Dear brother Aurangzaib hope you are doing well.Plz let me now what the word RIBA means.Does it mean the interest of bank.Thank you Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 18/05/2011
 
How can an individual act and help in creating an Islamic society because all efforts for this objective ends up in the demand for a theocratic state. What course of action has been laid down in the Quran Bakhtiar Qayyum Question by: bqayyum From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 21/05/2011
 
Dear Members I wnat to know the divine laws which Quran wants to implement on society. Thanks Question by: Saeed From PAKISTAN (KARACHI(MSAEEDTAJ@GMAIL.COM)) On 23/05/2011
 
Dr. Zaman and Aastana Team, While your interpretation of the Quran in "Human Rights" terms is quite refreshing what does the Quran say of one who engages majority of his life in vain deeds(movies, games, relaxing ect) while being peaceful(Muslim)? Question by: Anwar From UNITED STATES On 23/05/2011
 
Dear brother Moazzam plz elaborate what is meant by AL YAHOOD and ALNASARA (as character).I request my respected brother Aurangzaib to take part in the discussion also.Jazakallah. Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 23/05/2011
 
Salam Not all Muslims or believers get a Jenna in this life as one could b peaceful all their life n develop cancer, bad kids, divorce, car accident injury, ect.. How do u explain when bad things happen to good peaceful people? Question by: Anwar From UNITED STATES On 24/05/2011
 
51:56 وَمَا خَلَقْتُ ٱلْجِنَّ وَٱلْإِنسَ إِلَّا لِيَعْبُدُونِ Pls explain the above ayat. wassalam Question by: Saeed From PAKISTAN (KARACHI(MSAEEDTAJ@GMAIL.COM)) On 24/05/2011
 
Salam, Dr. Zaman and Students of Quran, what is the point in praying for the sick or praying for anything for that matter if God wills not to intervene in our lives? Yes we must do our part but where's the hope if God will not intervene? Question by: Anwar From UNITED STATES On 25/05/2011
 
If all aspects of life are controlled by the divine laws and Alkitab is also preserved in "Loh-e-Mehfooz", then everything has to pass the test of logic. What then is the logic with Haraam and Halaal according to Quran. Shariq Question by: SS From CANADA (VANCOUVER) On 25/05/2011
 
Dear Dear ones, is there anything called "soul" in the Quran? Explain like im two years old, here i need spoon feeding or feedingbottle. Question by: Nargis From BARBADOS (KIO BATAO?) On 26/05/2011
 
Dear Dr. Qamar, With all the information on this site and similarly others, how is one to digest it all? There has been a battle to rewire your system to think more rationally and when you think you are, you get another wake up call. Years, maybe? Question by: Shirley C From UNITED STATES (PITTSBURGH) On 26/05/2011
 
Dear brother Mubashir regards,i remember once some Mullah raised objection against the interpretation of MARYAM by Dr QZ that Name can not be translated.Then Dr QZ gave the answer.I request you to send me the link plz.God bless you Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 26/05/2011
 
Aslamoalikum Mozam bhai would you please elaborate the terminology Al-Kitab?? Thanks Question by: ali.haideer From PAKISTAN (LARKANA) On 29/05/2011
 
Please Members What is the true story behind Ashaab e Kahaf, mentioned in soora e Kahaf. In orthodox interpretition these people sleeped in a cave for thousand of years, or something like this. Thanks Question by: Saeed From PAKISTAN (KARACHI(MSAEEDTAJ@GMAIL.COM)) On 30/05/2011
 
Salam Dear Brothers Where may I find "Adam o Iblees" English translation of Dr. Zamans book? Question by: Anwar From UNITED STATES On 31/05/2011
 
Salam Dear Brothers (Sisters included) and Aastana Administrators, Does the Quran give us a clear reason of WHY we are on planet Earth in human body and what we are here for? Please see comment below. Question by: Anwar From UNITED STATES On 01/06/2011
 
Dear Brothers and Dr. Zaman, I've been beating myself up over this understanding of shirk or believing in a wrong concept of God. Yes I've read your understanding on this issue but there is a verse in Quran which warns those that say God is trinity Question by: Anwar From UNITED STATES On 02/06/2011
 
Kia app log Hadeeth ko nahi manty? kia app koi hawala hadeeth sy nahi detay. Mojzat ka to Hadeeth main bhi Ziker hay kia app mojzat ko nahi manty? Question by: guest From PAKISTAN On 05/06/2011
 
Dear Moazzam. I want to salute you for your hard work. I started learning Quran only 6 months back and I only started looking at AASTANA couple of weeks back. Question by: waseemameer From AUSTRALIA (SYDNEY) On 05/06/2011
 
Dhulqarnain, Can we follow the injeel and Torah of today? Question by: Nargis-Badshah-Salamat From FIJI (FAUJI) On 06/06/2011
 
Tahir Ul Qadri Ne Murday Ko Kalima Padaya (urdu video) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Mfb6QriVh8 Question by: alam1162@gmail.com From INDIA (DELHI) On 14/06/2011
 
Dear Moazzam i have seen your recent post about Allah.I want to know Is Allah God or it means ISLAMIC STATE.Do you believe in a God who is FA'ALON LIMA YUREED.And what makes you not believe in a God who is an active fa'il? Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 14/06/2011
 
dear moazzam DOES GOD EXISTS?And if he is not involved in the universe and i say HE IS DEAD.Will it be okay with you. Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 15/06/2011
 
Is the Sunnat of Allah Unchangeable? Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 15/06/2011
 
Dear brother Moazzam who authored the Quran according to you?Allah or Muhammad himself?Please do not go in details.Just tell me Allah or Muhammad that who is the author of the Quran.Best wishes!!! Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 18/06/2011
 
Dear Moazzam What is the meaning of " INNAHOO LAQUALOO RASOOLIN KAREEM " if the text of quran is from almighty Allah Question by: alam1162@gmail.com From INDIA (DELHI) On 19/06/2011
 
Dear Members,One group waiting for youm ul aakhira as life after death, other group said that youm ul aakhira will be happend in this world. Many people died waiting for this in this world. Are these two groups not in the same condition of waiting Question by: Saeed From PAKISTAN (KARACHI(MSAEEDTAJ@GMAIL.COM)) On 20/06/2011
 
Dear All, Recently my uncle have a stoke and his right side is completely paralysed. He cant speak nor can comprehend.He is facing very hard days. What do you think, is he facing makafat e amal. Please comment Question by: Saeed From PAKISTAN (KARACHI(MSAEEDTAJ@GMAIL.COM)) On 02/07/2011
 
HAS ALLAH, IN HIS QURAN, RULED ON THE EXPRESSION OF HUMAN SEXUAL BEHAVIOR OR IS MAN FREE TO DECIDE ON HIS OWN HOW TO EXPRESS SEXUAL BEHAVIOR? Question by: DHULQARNAIN From UNITED STATES On 08/07/2011
 
IS INCEST, AS A PARTICULAR SEXUAL BEHAVIOR, ALLAOWABLE OR NOT ALLOWABLE IN DEEN AL-ISLAM? IF ALLOWABLE, WHY? IF NOT ALLOWABLE, WHY NOT? PLEASE GIVE AYATS. Question by: DHULQARNAIN From UNITED STATES On 09/07/2011
 
DR. QAMAR ZAMAN WROTE: "SO ACTUALLY THERE IS NOTHING TO BE CALLED PREMARITAL SEX". IS THIS ASSERTION, ACCORDING TO AL-QURAN, TRUE?!? Question by: DHULQARNAIN From UNITED STATES On 16/07/2011
 
NARGIS WROTE: THE ZANI IS SOMEONE WHO DISTORTS THE QURANIQ WORD. IS THIS ASSERTION, ACCORDING TO AL-QURAN, TRUE? Question by: DHULQARNAIN From UNITED STATES On 18/07/2011
 
who is allah Question by: hm.zeeshan On 19/07/2011
 
Does aya 57/3 justify/give meaning that Allah is beyond time and space? Question by: waseemameer From AUSTRALIA (SYDNEY) On 20/07/2011
 
Is it true that Moses prayed for Aaron and Aaron became prophet. Question by: Saeed From PAKISTAN (KARACHI(MSAEEDTAJ@GMAIL.COM)) On 21/07/2011
 
ACCORDING TO AL-QURAN, IS THE UTTERING OF ALLAHU AKBAR, ACCEPTABLE IN THE DEEN OF ALLAH? Question by: DHULQARNAIN From UNITED STATES On 21/07/2011
 
Mummy of Pharon in Egypt is the same pharon who clashes with Moses. ? Is it conforms from Quran? Question by: Saeed From PAKISTAN (KARACHI(MSAEEDTAJ@GMAIL.COM)) On 23/07/2011
 
CAN ANYONE ANSWER THIS SIMPLE QUESTION---ACCORDING TO AL-QURAN, WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF--AKBAR? Question by: DHULQARNAIN From UNITED STATES On 23/07/2011
 
Dear brother Moazzam if someone wants to understand the Quran and he is studying it for the first time.How should he study it?How he should attempt to understand a particular episode of the Quran.Thank you very much... Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 29/07/2011
 
Sahibaan, Lanati ka salaam Kia Quran paak main Roh amr Rabbi ke ilawa Rooh amr Allah bhi likha hai? In dono main kia farq hai? Question by: Universal-Lanati From ARMENIA On 30/07/2011
 
Dear Dr.Qamar and members. Please explain 21/53-60. and also 6/76-80 Were those idols made of stones? Didn't they used to worship كَوْكَبًا,الْقَمَرَ,الشَّمْسَ Question by: waseemameer From AUSTRALIA (SYDNEY) On 01/08/2011
 
Dear Sir, It is being preached and commonly understood that Quranic guidance is eternal and everlasting for mankind during all eras. Whether any verse of Quran support this version ? if so , please quote reference of said verse . Thanks. Question by: M Aslam From PAKISTAN (GOJRA) On 02/08/2011
 
Dear Sir, As per verse No.20 of Sura Al-Furqan(25) All , " Mursaleen;s" ate food and walk about in streets........... Why "Mursaleens;s" came to Seyedina Ibrahim ( who had to go towards "Qoum-e-Loot" , 51/32) denied to eat food from Ibrahim ? Question by: M Aslam From PAKISTAN (GOJRA) On 02/08/2011
 
Dear Member, According to my new understanding I have left namaz,roza,Hajj. etc.Now what should I do according to Quran. How can I become a good Momin wothout these rituals. Question by: Saeed From PAKISTAN (KARACHI(MSAEEDTAJ@GMAIL.COM)) On 02/08/2011
 
WAS THE PROPHET WHO WAS GIVEN THE QURAN...THE LAST PROPHET? YES OR NO AND PROVE EITHER POSITION. Question by: DHULQARNAIN From UNITED STATES On 05/08/2011
 
IS AL-QURAN THE LAST/FINAL REVELATION FROM ALLAH? YES OR NO AND PROVE EITHER POSITION. Question by: DHULQARNAIN From UNITED STATES On 05/08/2011
 
Salaamun Alikum Dear Aastana Members Please forgive me if I offends the spirit of aastana as I am going to ask few question which seems critical to me. Question by: mmkhan20 From SAUDI ARABIA (JEDDAH) On 08/08/2011
 
Dear Aurangzaib sb, Please explain the meanings of verse 37 of sura 41 Thanks Question by: M Aslam From PAKISTAN (GOJRA) On 19/08/2011
 
IS AASTANA BLOG DEVOTED TO PHILOSOPHICAL MATERIALISM AND RELIGIOUS HUMANISM AND NOT AL-ISLAM? I'M BEGINNING TO BELIEVE SO. Question by: DHULQARNAIN From UNITED STATES On 19/08/2011
 
Dear Sir, Please explain the meanings of verse 37 of sura 41 Thanks Question by: M Aslam From PAKISTAN (GOJRA) On 20/08/2011
 
TRUE OR FALSE? 4:82 Will they not then meditate on the Quran? And if it were from any other than Allah, they would have FOUND IN IT MANY A DISCREPANCY. 10:37 And this the Quran...THERE IS NO DOUBT IN IT, from the Lord of the worlds. Question by: DHULQARNAIN From UNITED STATES On 20/08/2011
 
Dear Moazzam,Dr QZ as you say Quran should be understood according to grammar.I have a question:All the Arabic grammars were written by IRANIS.Is there no possibility they have corrupted it like Ahadith?Thanks Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 22/08/2011
 
43:45 And ask those of Our messengers whom We sent before thee: Did We ever appoint gods to be worshipped besides the Beneficent? HOW COULD MUHAMMAD HAVE ASKED THE PRIOR MESSENGERS...ANYTHING? Question by: DHULQARNAIN From UNITED STATES On 23/08/2011
 
Dear Zul-Qarnain. (with Two noons). You have repeatedly asserted on this blog that Surah Al-fatehaa is not part of the Al-Kitaab (Al-Quraan). Hereby I am humbly requesting you to produce your proof. (Read more in comments) Question by: Iqbal kay shaheen From NAMIBIA (WALVIS BAY) On 23/08/2011
 
TO ALL WHO IS THE "YOU" MENTIONED IN THE FOLLOWING AYAT? 2:4 And who believe in that which has been revealed to YOU and that which was revealed before YOU and they are sure of the hereafter. Question by: PRIEST BOKMEI From UNITED STATES On 24/08/2011
 
Dear Moazzam and Dr Qamar sahib Is the Phrase ALFE SHAHR MURAKAB E TOUSIFI or MURAKKABE ADADI?And what does it mean?Thanks Question by: bilal_khan5181 From PAKISTAN On 28/08/2011
 
Dear Dhulqurnain,Why Allah called Himself Al-Momin and Al-salaam in 59/23 Question by: waseemameer From AUSTRALIA (SYDNEY) On 30/08/2011
 
Dear Dr. Q.Z sb. A questio as comments below. Question by: M Aslam From PAKISTAN (GOJRA) On 30/08/2011
 
WHY ARE RACIAL SLURS TOWARD AFRICAN AMERICANS ACCEPTABLE AT AASTANA BLOG? Question by: DHULQARNAIN From UNITED STATES On 31/08/2011
 
CHALLENGE! CHALLENGE! CHALENGE! CAN ANYONE NAME ONE PROPHET, ALONG WITH, AND SINCE THE DEATH OF THE PROPHET REFERRED TO AS MUHAMMAD? Question by: DHULQARNAIN From UNITED STATES On 06/09/2011
 
NARGIS/AASTANA BLOG, PLEASE ADDRESS THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS CONCERNING AYATS 3:21 AND 33:40 Question by: DHULQARNAIN From UNITED STATES On 08/09/2011
 
NARGIS, MOAZZAM, WASEEMAMEER, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. GIVE US YOUR EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE. NO MORE CONVOLUTED DISCOURSES. Question by: DHULQARNAIN From UNITED STATES On 13/09/2011
 
WASEEMAMEER, WHAT IS THE TRUE MEANING OF 51:56? WHAT IS THE HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DHULQARNAIN AND AASTANA THAT NO WAY CAN THEY GATHER ON ONE PLATFORM? Question by: DHULQARNAIN From UNITED STATES On 15/09/2011
 
Dear Dr.Qamar and members. Please explain the meaning of Moosa and Esa. At what paradigms ابواب they are at, and what meanings they give on those ابواب? Dear Dr.Sahab, your input will be highly appreciated. Question by: waseemameer From AUSTRALIA (SYDNEY) On 16/09/2011
 
Is the Quran preaching BELIEVES ? I.E does it state anything in order to achieve unconfirmed belief in its students? 2) does it back up its claims with proofs, 3) HOW? Question by: Nargis2 From TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO (TOMBACCO) On 16/09/2011
 
NARGIS and MOAZZAM THERE HAS BEEN ALOT OF TALK ABOUT THE "GRAMMAR" RELATIVE TO AL-QURAN. MY QUESTION IS THIS, ISTHE GRAMMAR 100% ACCURATE? YES: EXPLAIN NO: EXPLAIN Question by: DHULQARNAIN From UNITED STATES On 17/09/2011
 
QAMAR, MOAZZAM, NARGIS, NAEEM, DOES QAMAR AND AASTANA BLOG BELIEVE THE FOLLOWING ASSERTIONS TO THE TRUTH? Question by: DHULQARNAIN From UNITED STATES On 27/09/2011
 
Mr. Aurangzaib: Who is responsible for detracking me and many others who left Ramazan Fasting, Namaz especially after reading your booklet"tahqeeq namaz o salat"at Aastana? are you not an instable personality as per your shufling record?? Question by: Mujeeb From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 27/09/2011
 
NARGIS, MOAZZAM, WAQAR, NAEEM, ET ALL IS WAHY OR EXTRINSIC OR INTRINSIC? Question by: DHULQARNAIN From UNITED STATES On 29/09/2011
 
MOAZZAM, NARGIS, NAEEM, MUBASHIR, WAQAR, YOU PEOPLE CANNOT POSSIBLY BE SERIOUS ABOUT THIS....OR ARE YOU? PLEASE EXPLAIN! Question by: DHULQARNAIN From UNITED STATES On 30/09/2011
 
PEACE TO ALL, ACCORDING TO AL-QURAN, WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF...A GOD" (I'M NOT REFERRING TO ALLAH, BUT THE TERM GOD IN GENERAL )? Question by: DHULQARNAIN From UNITED STATES On 02/10/2011
 
WHICH TAKES PRIORITY--TASREEF OVER GRAMMAR OR GRAMMAR OVER TASREEF? PLEASE EXPLAIN YOUR POSITION. Question by: DHULQARNAIN From UNITED STATES On 03/10/2011
 
What is the position of Athiest in Quran? Will Athiesm be practiced/ let exist in the Quranic Society? What difference it will make if oneself is Athiest? Question by: waseemameer From AUSTRALIA (SYDNEY) On 05/10/2011
 
PEACE TO ALL, MOAZZAM ASKS: CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PROPHET AND MESSENGER PROPHET, NABI AND NABI RASOOL? Question by: DHULQARNAIN From UNITED STATES On 07/10/2011
 
what the harm if someone perform rituals. Will Allah ask him why you did rituals. If one perform rituals and other dont then whats the difference they make on society. Question by: Saeed From PAKISTAN (KARACHI(MSAEEDTAJ@GMAIL.COM)) On 09/10/2011
 
PEACE TO ALL, DOES AASTANA BLOG REPRESENT: DEEN AL-ISLAM OR... DEISM. DHULQARNAIN- Question by: ARCHILOCUS From UNITED STATES On 15/10/2011
 
Dear Sir, Please explain meanings of 27/42 to 44 Thanx Question by: M Aslam From PAKISTAN (GOJRA) On 30/11/2011
 
Dear sir, Please put some light on the death of Hazrat Hussain according to the history. and Dr sahib, we all are waiting for complete quranic translation Question by: matifsaeed From PAKISTAN (LAHORE) On 30/11/2011
 
PEACE NARGIS AND MOAZZAM. WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO ADDRESS THIS MAJOR CONTRADICTION: TELL US CLEARLY, IS YOUR POSITION STATEMENT "A" OR STATEMENT "B"? DHULQARNAIN- Question by: DHULQARNAIN From UNITED STATES On 01/12/2011
 
PEACE TO ALL, TO MY QUESTION: DO THE MALAIKA DO WRONG/EVIL? NAEEM SHEIKH ANSWERED: YES, SEE 2:34 IS HE CORRECT? DHULQARNAIN: Question by: DHULQARNAIN From UNITED STATES On 15/12/2011
 
WHY QURANISTS ARE DIVIDED LIKE RELIGIOUS MULLAHS IF THEY CLAIM THE RIGHTEOUS ONES ??? Question by: Mujeeb From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 01/02/2012
 
What do you guys think - Why some children around the world are born with defects like, blindness, handicapped, infected with acute diseases (HIV) etc., Why do they suffer their life for no fault of their own? Why does God do this them? Question by: sameermoopa From INDIA On 05/04/2012
 
Dear Members: Pls share ur thought on:'What is the 'purpose' of our existence?' Quran says 'And I didn't create the jinn and mankind except to do my IBADATH'(51:56). If this is the purpose, what does IBADATH mean here? Why God wants our Ibadath? Question by: sameermoopa From INDIA On 09/04/2012
 
can some one enlighten us about the real concept of SALAWATULLAH ALA NABI.Thanks. Question by: naeem sheikh From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 20/04/2012
 
Assaam,iam Nasir(India)iam understanding salah by your explanation tell me about vazu in surah maaida Question by: ameet From INDIA (ANANTAPUR) On 26/04/2012
 
thank you a better answer that Salath is not namaz so what is reality of namaz how this exist Question by: ameet From INDIA (ANANTAPUR) On 28/04/2012
 
assalam,was Allah speak with insan directly ? Question by: ameet From INDIA (ANANTAPUR) On 04/05/2012
 
agar zina najayij talluq nahi tho najayij talluq ke baare me quran me kya hai? Question by: ameet From INDIA (ANANTAPUR) On 15/05/2012
 
dea members. If someone do misdeeds(do wrong things) than he repent and ask toba, will he still have to suffer his misdeeds in this life. Question by: Saeed From PAKISTAN (KARACHI(MSAEEDTAJ@GMAIL.COM)) On 10/06/2012
 
respected qamar sir, what about here after life(Akhirath) in sight of quran? Question by: ameet From INDIA (ANANTAPUR) On 17/06/2012
 
Respected Dr Zaman. I am reading your translation of the Quran with great interest and I thank you for your efforts. I would like to understand the concept of Akhirat in light of the Quran. Salaam. Question by: Riaz From UNITED KINGDOM (LONDON) On 11/08/2012
 
If soam is not traditional "Roza" then why the later part of ayat relating to soam says that the women should complete the count after finishing with their menses? Question by: ansasausam From UNITED STATES (FLUSHING) On 27/10/2012
 
What is Shetan, can shetan affects the desire of Momin? Question by: moazzam From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 11/12/2012
 
What "the Aastana research forum says about the Atheists ??? Question by: moazzam From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 13/12/2012
 
What is the true sense of Duaa' mentioned at many places in Quran and been used as an effective tool in almost all religions? Question by: moazzam From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 13/12/2012
 
salaam Dr sahib.pls explain the meaning of نسخ ? and 2:104? Question by: saidalavi ansari From INDIA (KERALA) On 17/12/2012
 
Salam Dr sahib pls Explain verse 2/106 مَا ننسخ من آية Question by: saidalavi ansari From INDIA (KERALA) On 19/12/2012
 
ABOUT EISA "death/up lifting to heaven" Question by: moazzam From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 01/04/2013
 
Some body asked about the meaning of سِقَايَةَ الْحَاجِّ وَعِمَارَةَ الْمَسْجِدِ الْحَرَامِ . Here it is answer to the question asked. Question by: moazzam From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 23/04/2013
 
Some body asked that, how does it affect "the understanding of qura'an" as well practical life of people if Eisa borne with OR with out father???????? Question by: moazzam From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 25/04/2013
 
Dr sahib salam pls pls pls explain 2:233 والوالدات يرضعن أولادهن.......................... Question by: saidalavi ansari From INDIA (KERALA) On 01/05/2013
 
who is muthllakth المطلَّقات Question by: saidalavi ansari From INDIA (KERALA) On 01/05/2013
 
Hijab Jilbaab/ by Moazzam Islam Question by: Nargis From BARBADOS (KIO BATAO?) On 18/06/2013
 
Respected Dr, Qamar Zaman sb some one says mostly the trad trans is what is written in Quran but what U r bringing is new verbal meanings of Words,why should we choose those words as Quran is Mubin and it explains itself.e.g what U describe of halal. Question by: shaista From PAKISTAN (LAHORE) On 08/12/2013
 
Kindly send Dr. Qamar Zaman's US phone number to me at AsarSyed@gmail.com Question by: Asarulislam From UNITED STATES (LOS ANGELES) On 12/06/2014
 
I wrote many times in the form on the site, but no one answers. So, I have a translation of the book "THE TRUTH ABOUT SALAT. Dr. Qamar Zaman" to Russian. Do you want to put it on the site? Question by: onlyquran01 From RUSSIAN FEDERATION (RUSSIA) On 04/07/2014
 
Respected Aastana team, please could you kindly point me to the surah and ayat number of the two ayats referenced on page 9 & 10 of Sarchashma Hidayat sirf Al Quran? Thanks in advance for your assistance. Question by: Riaz From UNITED KINGDOM (LONDON) On 27/12/2014
 
Aoa, dear aastana members can you kindly translate surah ikhlaas exposing its main theme Question by: Abdul Hadi Saqib From PAKISTAN (LAHORE) On 14/03/2015
 
مسلمانوں کی نمازوں کے زرتشتی ماخظ Dowanload Question by: Adnan From PAKISTAN On 17/04/2015
 
i have asked two questions please Dr Q z sab post my 2nd question in this blog too. if it is not possible to post it here. then please reply to me via email. as i am really confused about the soum. why ghulam ahmed perwez sab couldn't explain? Question by: kanju swat From UNITED KINGDOM (LONDON) On 11/11/2015
 
aap jo quran ki wazahat karte hein 'kia aap khuda(god) per yaqeen(belief) rakhte hein? oor han(yes)! to aap ka aqeda(belief) kia hai? Question by: sufyanarif From PAKISTAN On 21/12/2015
 
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