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TRANSLATION OF QURAN
BY DR. QAMAR ZAMAN
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آیات
سورۃ
نمبر
1-7 الفَاتِحَة -1
1-286 البَقَرَة -2
1-200 آل عِمرَان -3
1-176 النِّسَاء -4
1-120 المَائدة -5
1-165 الاٴنعَام -6
1-206 الاٴعرَاف -7
1-75 الاٴنفَال -8
1-129 التّوبَة -9
1-109 یُونس -10
1-123 هُود -11
1-111 یُوسُف -12
1-43 الرّعد -13
1-52 إبراهیم -14
1-99 الحِجر -15
1-128 النّحل -16
1-111 بنیٓ اسرآئیل / الإسرَاء -17
1-110 الکهف -18
1-98 مَریَم -19
1-135 طٰه -20
1-112 الاٴنبیَاء -21
1-78 الحَجّ -22
1-118 المؤمنون -23
1-64 النُّور -24
1-77 الفُرقان -25
1-227 الشُّعَرَاء -26
1-93 النَّمل -27
1-88 القَصَص -28
1-69 العَنکبوت -29
1-60 الرُّوم -30
1-34 لقمَان -31
1-30 السَّجدَة -32
1-73 الاٴحزَاب -33
1-54 سَبَإ -34
1-45 فَاطِر -35
1-83 یسٓ -36
1-182 الصَّافات -37
1-88 صٓ -38
1-75 الزُّمَر -39
1-85 المؤمن / غَافر -40
1-54 حٰمٓ السجدة / فُصّلَت -41
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Dear All, We cant rely on history and so would have been the case with people who lived 1400 years back, yet Quran gives references from history ??? Please justify.
Add Your Comments  Question by: MUBASHIR SYED On 21 May 2011
Comments by: aurangzaib On 21 May 2011Report Abuse
Dear Mubashir Syed,  
 
We can't rely on history. True. BUT, we can't disregard or ignore the history altogether on that account.  
 
History is a recognized and authentic subject and represents a vast field of human knowledge. Whenever we discuss anthropology, sociology, geology, oceanology, cosmology, evolution, civilizations, nations, faiths, traditions, events, myths, etc., we are obliged to give importance to history.  
 
A part of history is always right, just as a part of it may be falsified or exaggerated.  
 
So, we can conclude that Quranic references from history may always pertain to the true part of history.  
 
This is only how we Muslims are accustomed to think under the influence of our (blind) dogmatic or conventional attachment with Quran. If , at the end of the day, we come to analyse Quran's authenticity as an ABSOLUTE AUTHORITY, we may open up a Pandora's Box, with no conclusions to be arrived at. We, therefore, live on our beliefs and think according to our convictions.  
 
The last paragraph is irrelevant to your question - ---- just a reflection from a thinking mind. Please ignore.  
 
God bless you.  

Comments by: moazzam On 21 May 2011
Brother Aurangzaib,Dear Mubashir Syed,  
 
Aurangzaib : We can't rely on history. True. BUT, we can't disregard or ignore the history altogether on that account.  
 
History is a recognized and authentic subject and represents a vast field of human knowledge. Whenever we discuss anthropology, sociology, geology, oceanology, cosmology, evolution, civilizations, nations, faiths, traditions, events, myths, etc., we are obliged to give importance to history.  
Moazzam : excellent brother you are 100% right, lessons should be taken from the historical events to steer the coming generation at right track see the verses12/109, 22/4, 30/9, 35/44, 40/21, 40/82, 3/137, and many more.  
 
Aurangzaib :A part of history is always right, just as a part of it may be falsified or exaggerated.  
Moazzam : The historians and Anthropologists could discriminate the rights parts of the history from the false.  
But all religious histories yet not be discriminated in this regard ,unfortunately all most all Islamic history including WAQIA-E-KARBALA which divided the Muslim Ummah initially, into two groups (later on became two polarized religious sects)  
 
Aurangzaib : So, we can conclude that Quranic references from history may always pertain to the true part of history.  
Moazzam : There is no history in Quran ( this is the claim of KUFFARS), rather the set forth examples which contains eternal message beyond time and space. See the verses16/24,6/25, 8/31, 27/68, 68/15, 83/13.  
 
Aurangzaib :This is only how we Muslims are accustomed to think under the influence of our (blind) dogmatic or conventional attachment with Quran.  
Moazzam : We the Quranists should not be the part of such a so called Muslims, those who believe in Quran at the basis of blind dogmas or conventional attachment.. In fact these are the groups of religious people.  
Aurangzaib : If , at the end of the day, we come to analyze Quran's authenticity as an ABSOLUTE AUTHORITY, we may open up a Pandora's Box, with no conclusions to be arrived at. We, therefore, live on our beliefs and think according to our convictions.  
Moazzam : No body has right to claim to be the OBSOLUTE AUTHORITY to certify the Quranic authenticity. But the AUTHENTICITY must be based at logics, arguments, evidences and rational analysis based at universal /natural values.  
Moreover, Muslims must authenticate the Quran as a divine document, by the Quran itself ,Quranic matterial is sufficient evidence to prove the Quranic authenticity.  
 
 

Comments by: UmeAimon On 21 May 2011Report Abuse
Salam,,  
 
To my meager knowledge yes i think brother Moazzam you're right, actually nothing is there that needs to be referred from history. History will stay there for people to manipulate or draw lesson from. Quran just asks us to draw lessons from it for our own good and NOT explain Quran from it. isn't it?  
 
UmeAimon

Comments by: aurangzaib On 21 May 2011Report Abuse
Dear Brother Moazzam,  
 
You said:-  
"Moazzam : There is no history in Quran ( this is the claim of KUFFARS), rather the set forth examples which contains eternal message beyond time and space. See the verses16/24,6/25, 8/31, 27/68, 68/15, 83/13. "  
 
Aurangzaib:-  
I can quote many many references from Quran. But, we have intellectuals who don't agree with my quotes but insist on their quotes. Therefore, It may be useless to give more Quranic quotes in this situation. However, I quote Dr. Qamar Zaman as under, and your Fatwa that "this is the claim of KUFFARS", directly goes to Dr. QZ. Please don't take offense with me dear Brother:-  
 
"""Dr. Qamar on Explanation of An-Naml,  
 
2. Why past history is narrated? Quran brings its reasons to substantiate its claims:  
 
a- Historical evidences to prove its claims  
 
b- Observation of universe ,  
 
c- study of human nature , """""  
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So, obviously, Dr. QZ also believes Quran narrates HISTORY.  
 
This goes in reply to Sis UmeAimon too about her remarks about history in Quran.  
 
Sorry, if I have been a bit too straightforward.  
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And HEY! Listen very carefully! QURAN HAS ALSO COME TO US THROUGH......HISTORY....... . IT IS NOTHING BUT A HISTORICAL INHERITANCE OR LEGACY. Can anyone NEGATE HISTORY? If we do, we might NEGATE QURAN TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!  
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And yes Sir, "has somebody claimed the right to be the absolute authority to certify Quranic authenticity"? .....I don't see any one has!........So Why this Reprimand Brother? ..........  
 
And Sir, What authenticity we are talking about? Quran being Divine? or is there some other meaning of authenticity? What? Most of us here already negate such authenticity. They believe it was written by a person Mohammad or Ahmed! Some confuse the issue more by saying it was written by "just an attribute" not a person!  
 
"Kuchch na samjhe khuda kare koi".  
 
I am honestly worried about this situation. Please Brother Moazzam, do something about it.  
Please don't take it negatively. You know I am serious and my concerns are genuine. Think of those in the early and middle learning stages. What would your "attributes" theory do with them? This theory has garbled the whole understanding of an old man like me. Please!

Comments by: Anwer Suri On 21 May 2011Report Abuse
AOA,  
I fully agree withBr Aurangzeb.  
 
The verses 7/176, 10/71, 11/120, 12/111, 14:9 etc are all indicating that history is for guidence. I think we have to judge history positivly and sincerely.  
 
Br. Moazzam,  
why you think verse16/24 is saying that Quran does not have stories? I think it is saying that the kuffar deny by passing remarks that these are fables to make people away from the guidence in book.  
 
Also you too qoute history from Quran -  
Moazzam in a different thread: "Go through the verse 71/3 , here prophet Noh is calling his nation to follow the divine system(to establish the Islamic state where all types of bounties would be avaiable), but his nation is claiming ISTAKBAAR with their own systems see the verse 71/7. "  
 
Wassalam  

Comments by: Mubashir Syed On 22 May 2011Report Abuse
Dear All, i think there is a difference between learning from the past and learning from history.( Please correct me if am wrong here )  
 
Dear Moazzam, u have sacrificed all Yellow Cow's please buy few as possessing few hidden Yellow Cow's seems to be honor in current situations........( Juz kidding). Significance of past, present, future tense could come into picture for the verses when we assign attributes. Not to forget, with understanding of past tense used in Arabic to stress on surety.( If am not wrong ). Can you please share your further research by keeping which tense is used in the verses? Sorry to load you with more work, thanks in advance.  
 
Dear Adnan, I could see new icon for suspended members on left pane under pending and activated member list on Blog homepage, I think its good to have that in our HISTORY so as to admonish from past......................ooops did i use the word history/past to admonish.  
 
With no intension to offend or defend Just 2 cents………….  
 
Thanks.  
Mubashir Syed.  
 

Comments by: aurangzaib On 22 May 2011Report Abuse
Dear Answar Suri, Mubashir, Moazzam,  
 
Man is nothing without history. History is man’s heritage as his customs, traditions, culture and civilization have their roots in History. Man has no feet to stand upon and comprehend his being without his history. It is only the platform of history where man stands as an ever progressing and evolving species and where he recognizes his conscious self from. Man is seen to learn only from his “Past” (history) – I don’t know -, and it is the history that enables him to formulate newer and better policies to govern his future life.  
 
That’s why Quran has narrated many, many episodes from the history of nations and about the history of His Messengers. Quran STARTS with HISTORY, when it ordains: Verse No.1/6-7: “Ihdina as-Siraat al-Mustaqeem, Siraat allazina an’amta ‘alayihim, ghayir-il Maghzoobi ‘alayhim, wa laa adh-dhaal’leen”. Obviously Quran is talking about past episodes of history, and nothing else here.  
 
It would simply be a different topic if history is there for taking lessons or for some other purpose. Perhaps that too can be discussed. BUT, I would apologize from drifting away from the topic. My policy is always to stick to the quint-essentials of the Questions. I see a lot of irrelevant talk in response to a question, which is repulsive in the way that it’s time consuming and without a purpose. I think the best policy should be : a direct question – a direct to-the-point answer – and then leave it for the guy to decide for himself, without encouraging “debate”. I am sure Brothers would agree to this principle in view of recent happenings.  
 
Best wishes for all.  

Comments by: moazzam On 22 May 2011
Respected teacher Aurangzaib! salam  
"Moazzam : There is no history in Quran ( this is the claim of KUFFARS), rather the set forth examples which contains eternal message beyond time and space. See the verses16/24,6/25, 8/31, 27/68, 68/15, 83/13. "  
 
Aurangzaib:-  
However, I quote Dr. Qamar Zaman as under, and your Fatwa that "this is the claim of KUFFARS", directly goes to Dr. QZ. Please don't take offense with me dear Brother.  
Moazzam : Sorry; I had no intention to call you or any other Quranist with such a name as I quoted the Quranic verse which addresses to KUFFARS,plz read the text of verses I quoted 16/24,6/25, 8/31, 27/68, 68/15, 83/13It is pertinent to quote that Quranist never believes in personality cult.  
 

Comments by: moazzam On 22 May 2011
Aurangzaib: Man is nothing without history. History is man’s heritage as his customs, traditions, culture and civilization have their roots in History. Man has no feet to stand upon and comprehend his being without his history. It is only the platform of history where man stands as an ever progressing and evolving species and where he recognizes his conscious self from. Man is seen to learn only from his “Past” (history) – I don’t know -, and it is the history that enables him to formulate newer and better policies to govern his future life.  
 
Moazzam: axcept the sentence “Man is nothing without history” I, agree with the rest of your paragraph  
 
Aurangzaib: That’s why Quran has narrated many, many episodes from the history of nations and about the history of His Messengers. Quran STARTS with HISTORY, when it ordains: Verse No.1/6-7: “Ihdina as-Siraat al-Mustaqeem, Siraat allazina an’amta ‘alayihim, ghayir-il Maghzoobi ‘alayhim, wa laa adh-dhaal’leen”. Obviously Quran is talking about past episodes of history, and nothing else here.  
Moazzam:  
صِرَاطَ الَّذِينَ أَنْعَمْتَ عَلَيْهِمْ غَيْرِ الْمَغْضُوبِ عَلَيْهِمْ وَلا  
الضَّالِّينَ  
My inference regarding the verse 1/6-7 is that, all the stories written in Quran are only set forth examples(Qasas) beyond time and space, which provides eternal guidance to mankind in each era, from the very fist day till the end. The same attributes and characters will repeatedly be remained in the societies.so be with the righteous and stand against the opposite poles.  
Auranzaib:  
I am honestly worried about this situation. Please Brother Moazzam, do something about it.  
Please don't take it negatively. You know I am serious and my concerns are genuine. Think of those in the early and middle learning stages. What would your "attributes" theory do with them? This theory has garbled the whole understanding of an old man like me. Please.  
Moazzam : Kindly have a look again ,which i have infered at this issue, after pondering into Quran. And request for correction or better understanding,( with Quranic verses will be appreciated). There is difference between "QASES" and "ASATEER" read the following points to be cleared from chaos.  
1) Qises = the set forth example of some characters with their attributes, to give the alive message in a more elaborated way. See the veses3/62, 7/176, 12/3, 12/111.  
Read the sense of verses2/178-179, here, it is made realized, that IN ALL TYPES OF DISPUTED MATTERS AMONG YOU, we have written down (obligatory) for you "THE QASES "(set forth stories, examples) from all aspects of life. Whatever relevant details in th the Qases has been left, is by our grace,so you have to follow the best conventional rules of the societies to solve your disputes. This is the leniency for you from your sustainer.  
Mind; any sort of aggression from any side will be treated harshly (tormented).  
Qisas written in verse 5/45 means some thing given in penalty (Badla) against any sort of damage of same nature.  
ASATEER = Means physically happened past events in history. Remember the Kuffar of the time used to claim ,that these Qases of Quran are nothing, axcept, the Asateer al awaleen, see the verses 16/24, 6/25, 8/31, 27/68.  
 
Sir, I, being the meagre student of Quran, wrote what I feel correct, with out any biasing. I’m accountable to Allah as well.  
May Allah bless you  
 
 

Comments by: Damon On 22 May 2011Report Abuse
Salaam Respected Aastana Family,  
 
Dear Aurangzaib,  
 
I have taken note of some statements that you have made in this thread that are somewhat worrisome to me. I'll address them as follows:  
 
(Aurangzaib) - And HEY! Listen very carefully! QURAN HAS ALSO COME TO US THROUGH......HISTORY....... . IT IS NOTHING BUT A HISTORICAL INHERITANCE OR LEGACY. Can anyone NEGATE HISTORY? If we do, we might NEGATE QURAN TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!  
 
(Damon) - I find this sort of statement shocking. Reason being that this is the argument and line of reasoning that the hadith lovers and Quran haters use to justify ahadeeth OR bring The Quran down to the level of the hadith. The hadith lovers/Quran haters use the argument that the people who have recorded hadith and sunnah are the same people who have preserved and handed down the Quran and that if we reject the hadith and sunnah then we should reject The Quran on the same basis. A ridiculous argument of course, but I am seeing the same tatctic practiced in the statement made by you above.  
 
Something else about this statement is that you said that The Quran is NOTHING...but a historical inheritance or legacy. I am surprised at this statement as well since in the Arabic grammar thread where Badar and I had our dispute ( http://www.aastana.com/blog/aastanablog.asp?QID=243 ) you said back then, and I quote...  
 
"isn't Quran laced with idioms, similes, metaphors, etc. just like any other masterpiece of literature? I only emphasize this as an example ------Quran, I think, is on the highest pedestal of literary excellence."  
 
Now you say that it is NOTHING other than a historical inheritance or legacy. To my mind these two statements made by you are mutually exclusive and contradictory of one another and do not complement each other at all.  
 
Another statement that caught my attention...  
 
(Aurangzaib) - That’s why Quran has narrated many, many episodes from the history of nations and about the history of His Messengers. Quran STARTS with HISTORY, when it ordains: Verse No.1/6-7: “Ihdina as-Siraat al-Mustaqeem, Siraat allazina an’amta ‘alayihim, ghayir-il Maghzoobi ‘alayhim, wa laa adh-dhaal’leen”. Obviously Quran is talking about past episodes of history, and nothing else here.  
 
(Damon) - I seriously disagree with your analysis of Surah Al Fatiha and certainly disagree with your claim that "OBVIOUSLY" the Quran is talking about past episodes of history. I don't think any of us here have the right to manipulate the understandings and outcomes of discussions here by using such terms as "obviously". It would be best to say something more along the lines of "according to my understanding"...or..."the way I see it"...etc. It is NOT obviously talking about past episodes of history or we would not be discussing if it is talking about episodes of past history or not.  
 
I think that there are two shortcomings in your position and views.  
 
First one is that you are confusing QISAAS with your understanding of World History or Historical Events. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME THING!  
 
The Quran cites Al Qisaas so that the readers can ponder on them, use them as "templates" or models for dealing with various societal situations and apply the principles and guidelines as and when needed. You cannot do this with actual historical events since they are limited to the specific situation and people in question.  
 
An example of Qisaas would be the people of Yunus in 10/98. This is not actual history or an actual historical event. It is a "generic" example of people doing the right thing and adopting the right behavior to attain the peaceful and equitable society. This applies to any people anywhere at anytime when they adopt the Quranic principles. A possible historical event which fits the description of 10/98 in actual history would be the establishment of the welfare state of Madina by the Nabiyy (according to the "official" Islamic history). I say according to the official history for a reason which brings me to my second observation of your position....  
 
I believe you are making a mistake by placing such a huge trust in "History" and "Historical Events". We should all realize that there will always be what I have termed as "official" history. The official history is always written by those with power and conquerors and they write and record the "official" history for the sake of "manipulating" the views and mentality of the present and future generations. ALL HISTORY AND/OR HISTORICAL EVENTS are subject to scrutiny and devil's advocacy. To place a blind and unquestioning trust in "History" is no different (at least to me) than placing blind and unquestioning trust in hadith, sunnah and the teachings of the N2I scholars and their ideas of "SEERAH" which is supposed to be a biographical "History" of the prophet.  
 
It will go down in "official" history that Osama Bin Laden was the master mind behind 9/11. (Careful "scrutiny" of the events in question expose this as a big lie.)  
It will go down in "official" history that Osama Bin Laden was murdered by the United States Military on 5/1/11. (Careful "scrutiny" of the event in question exposes a big lie. The dude has been dead).  
It will go down as "official" history that the Nation of Islam were the "sole" entity behind the assassination of Malcolm X. (Careful "scrutiny" of these events reveal the C.I.A.'s dirty hand in the weapons supply of the armed men as well as the paying off AND intimidation of the "security" people at the Audobon Ball room that day).  
 
The above three are only EXAMPLES of what the people think they know based on the "official" historical narration of these events and only a few people were bold enough and free minded enough to place these events under careful scrutiny, do some snooping around and uncover some major, yet well guarded, lies and corruption.  
 
I am not accusing you of believing the events posted above. I am merely bring these up to demonstrate that we cannot place a blind faith and trust in what you term as "History". It must ALWAYS be placed under the best possible microscope to ascertain truth from lies.  
 
Lastly Aurengzaib I must tell you that The Quran IS NOT history book, nor is it a book about history. There are FIVE FUNDAMENTAL ELEMENTS missing in the Qisaas (generic "narrations") of The Quran which MUST be included in ANY history book and they are  
 
1). Actual historical DATES of the events taking place.  
2). Names of Actual PLACES on the world map of the events taking place.  
3). Names of the actual ACTORS involved in the events taking place.  
4) A TIMELINE of said events detailing WHEN and WHERE something started and WHEN and WHERE it concluded.  
5). DETAILS of the event to let us know the PROGRESSION of it all. Meaning HOW and WHY the situation progressed from this to that.  
 
As a student of history, I am sure you can appreciate the necessity of the above elements in order for a thing to qualify as "history".  
 
A note on number three above. I am of the belief and view that names used in the Qisaas of The Quran are attributes which will allow us to derive proper lessons and guidelines from The Quran in order to solve "similar" situations facing human beings today.  
 
The Qisaas of Musa and Firaoun is a template that I can adopt to my own specific political and social situation in the United States. But I cannot adopt as much from the French Revolution (1789 - 1799) as I can from the Qisaas of Musa and Firaoun because the "actors", "dates", "place" and "intimate details" of the French Revolution are SPECIFIC to that situation in all of its aspects which I cannot emulate or adopt. That was French people in France of 1789. I am an American in 2011 United States. I cannot adopt or emulate the example of the French Revolution without making some major changes in order to make it more suitable for me and the American people in our specific situation. However, I need make NO CHANGES AT ALL in order to adopt and emulate the principles and guidelines exemplified in the Qisaas of Musa and Firaoun. In fact, NO ONE needs to make any changes to it, rather it is American people in 2011 United States, Pakistani people in 2012 Pakistan, Egyptians in 2013 Egypt or Peruvian people back in 1900 Peru. Anyone and Everyone can adopt the principles and guidelines provided in The Quran through the many Qisaas including the Qisaas of Musa and Firaoun.  
 
I hope you get the point that I am trying to make. Please excuse what may appear to be a straight no chaser style of posting as I wanted to get right into the "meat and potatoes" of the issue.  
 
Fi'amanillah,  
Damon.

Comments by: aurangzaib On 22 May 2011Report Abuse
Brother Damon,  
 
Just don't be too apprehensive about what I have said in that post. I stand by all my previous statements. My previous stand is not changed at all and it remains the same as when you shared the discussion with me against Brother Badar's stand.  
 
The post in question deals with some peculiar questions and some answers in the same paradigm. I also don't think Quran is a book of History. But when History is negated altogether from Quran or elsewhere, I can't agree with that and present my own viewpoint.  
 
I agree with most of the points you have made. I think in the beginning of the thread I have written somewhere that we can say that "part of history may be true and part of it might be falsified or exaggerated". I think that settles most of the issues you have raised.  
 
If you read something from me looking like lowering the status of Quran, do understand that I don't actually mean it. It is in reaction of a mindset of some people who want proofs of everything that Quran has said, but at the same time believe in Quran in a blind way, i.e. without any proof of its status as an authority. I only wish to tell them that if they can have full faith in Quran without any solid proof of its STATUS, then they can have faith in some of the things it says without offering a proof. So, you see, there is a particular perspective behind it.  
 
It remains a fact however that Quran comes to us from and through history and to give a solid evidence that my lord Mohammad had written it , we only have history.  
 
Yes, I do differ with you on the Attributes issue. I don't agree with it for some reasons, part of which I have explained in my post to Brother Moazzam. So, please don't mind. This issue is actually of little consequence, Quran's values and principles are of real consequence.  
 
I appreciate your concerns however. And I am happy you still are with us.  
 
God bless you.

Comments by: aurangzaib On 22 May 2011Report Abuse
Brother Moazzam,  
 
I have already said explicitly that I agree with all the meanings of Quranic terminology that you so industriously produce and I always appreciate your hard work behind this huge output. Don't I know it personally?  
 
About the past/history too, I have carefully read your answer. Although it is accurate in a sense, yet the way to present it does not give a clear picture of what you wish to say. I am a man of average understanding and would appreciate always a more direct and precise answer in order to follow you properly. Verse 1/6-7 says "Path of those whom you have blessed and not of those upon whom your wrath was inflicted". ..... As I simply understand, it is a past sentence and examples from the past are being narrated. So, for me it is History, because past is always history. That's how I simply take it. If we are not direct and simple, then philosophy takes us over and even the simplest of meanings are lost in verbal logic. This is what is happening here most of the times. I just wish you to take care of that. This is my sole request from you.  
 
About the point of Attributes, You keep missing the point though, and what I want to make clear from you remains dormant. I was talking about the tendency of translating Messengers' names into Attributes. My submission is that if this mode of transforming the persons into attributes can confuse me in my understanding of Quranic episodes, what disaster it would create for the beginners and middle level students of Quran who come to us for guidance.  
And then your policy is not consistent. You convert some Messengers names into Attributes, and you leave some others with their names. This policy always erodes credibility from the matter.  
 
I too, dear friend, am a student. I wish to preserve this Blog for the learners as a direct and easy access to Quranic philosophy. Perhaps we are running too fast for the learners and are creating disillusionment among many.  
 
This is the point that requires your kind attention.  
 
God bless you too.

Comments by: dawood On 23 May 2011Report Abuse
Dear Brs. and Srs, SA: Please allow me to share two cents of mine on this “Attribute” issue. Please bear with me as I am likely to go through a lengthy write-up before making myself clear, if at all. To some of you it may also look too basic and trivial, please accept my apologies in wasting your time. Here I go.  
In almost all cases, names are given when people are born. These names are the means through which individuals are identified. In some cases, people of extraordinary qualities and characteristics (attributes) are given other titles or attributes reflective of SOME of those extraordinary characteristics subject to the constraints of a give socio-political environment. Some examples from South Asian history are: Lion of Mysore, Lion of Bengal, Quid-e-Azam, etc. Sometimes, these attributive titles assume prominence vis-à-vis the given names. These attributive titles, however, form new identities of the concerned individuals, and, in general, within a short period of time, in almost all cases, people don’t care about the why, how, and what meanings, etc. of these new identities. Although my search is non-exhaustive, I still strongly think that in general other people who may come after them and who may possess similar/same characteristics, people neither give them nor they would like to use already given titles for themselves. Thus, these are unique identities (you may call these attributes, names, titles), distinctively identifying every concerned individual.  
To me, the above scenario fits very well into every socio-political environment, present or past. Messengers were personalities having not one but many characteristics, i.e. institutions in themselves. No single attributive title, no matter how elaborate, can encompass the whole array of those characteristics. These are either their given names or their individual identities, if they were given one, not chosen by themselves, rather given by their followers. These may or may not be reflective of their best characteristics either.  
The QASAS or narration related to the exalted personalities described above can be utilized in two ways: (1) to find out why and how they may have come to possess those names? What are the meanings, etc. of those names or attributes? This has a limited utility and a huge potential to distract people from the actual purpose (in my view) of the narration. This also leads to personality worship. That is why, as per my understanding, Quran is completely silent about these so-called attributes. Had it been of any value, Quran must have elaborated on such attributes as it does on other matters of significance. If anyone has a reference from the Quran in which Quran has described the details of such attributes, say MUSA, please share with me.  
(2). In my view (as beautifully described by Dr. Qz in Mujazat-e-Masih), the actual purpose of these QASAS is to depict the intense struggle of these personalities within their communities, and to highlight their unflinching faith and perseverance against all odds. For example, Quran comforts by saying “---people were denied before you …. Or words to that effect.” (sorry, I don’t have a reference at this time, may provide it later if needed). No specific socio-economic environment is described in these examples either, thereby providing guidance in terms of dealing with such situations as and when they arise in any society. As an example, the QASAS of MUSA was valid yesterday, is valid today, and would continue to be valid for times to come.  
Having said that, if I have correctly understood Br. Moazzam, he suggests that QASAS are examples that cannot be actual events that happened in the past? Is this always true? Why can’t past events serve as examples? What is 4:164 talking about? Isn’t it related to the stories of the previous messengers? Are those stories or examples without actually having taken place? As an example, are events described by verses related to Syedna MUSA for a faceless character having attributes of the word MUSA and did not take place in the past, yet 4:164 relates back to messengers? What is the difference between AlQASAS and just QASAS?  
Further, how did some of us have come to a conclusion that some names are actually attributes while others are not? Which verse(s) lead us to such a conclusion? I think, Br. Aurangzeb has already asked this question.  
Please explain somewhat clearly by translating the relevant verses. Just references do not do much good since most of us are not familiar with Arabic and rely on available translations. And you know well, what havoc these existing translations has played with the original message.  

Comments by: Damon On 23 May 2011Report Abuse
Dear Dawood, SA,  
 
You mention that there is a possibility that the attributes are still attached to individuals with different birth names. I personally believe that this scenario is not likely because The Quran already gives us an example of a person with a BIRTH NAME as well as AN ATTRIBUTE/TITLE and that person is 'isa who is also known by the attribute/titles of Al-Maseeh and Ibnul Maryam. If this distinction between birth name and attribute was clearly made for the case of 'Isa, then I ask WHY the same is not done for the OTHER personalities and figures mentioned in The Quran if they too had birth names different from their given attributes or titles?  
 
You also mentioned that the ascribing attributes to the mentioned peoples in The Quran leads to "Personality Worship". I seriously disagree with this view and I am at a loss as to how you have come to that conclusion. If anything, it is when people have a CERTAIN name and image of a person fixed in their brains that they start to "worship" the personality in question. All we have to do is look at the N2I people and their concocted so-called "actual" person of Muhammad and how they "worship" EVERYTHING associated with the name and image in question. A person can actually lose his or her life if they said or did anything that would be considered negative or disrespectful to that name and image. Now THAT my friend is bonafide personality worship.  
 
Also notice the difference between the Aastana members and their relationship to the name and personality of Dr. Qamar as compared to the Parvezi's and their worship of him, his name and his image. So much so that you even have some of them who say that their is a CORRECT way and INCORRECT way of SPELLING his name in Romanized Urdu. have a look at the comments made by Dr. Manzoor Al Haque and myself at Dr. Asarul Islam's site  
 
http://quaideazam.com/our-mission/comment-page-1/#comments  
 
Notice how I mention that what he is making a big deal of is what is tantamount to personality worship.  
 
You asked a question. You asked what is 4/164 talking about?  
 
Before answering this question, please allow me to re post a statement you have made...  
 
(Dawood) - most of us are not familiar with Arabic and rely on available translations. And you know well, what havoc these existing translations has played with the original message.  
 
(Damon) - The "ENGLISH TRANSLATIONS" have this verse as Messengers WE HAVE TOLD YOU ABOUT and messengers WE DID NOT TELL YOU ABOUT....  
 
But the Arabic says "wa rasoolan qad QASASNAAHUM 'alayka min qablu wa rasoolan lam NAQSUSHUM 'alayka...."  
 
The English translations have rendered the words QASASNAAHUM and NAQSUSHUM as "we told you about them" (with NAQSUSHUM being negated by the Lam).  
 
However, the root word QaSSa does not SIMPLY mean "He narrated" or "He related/communicated" as the English translations would have us believe. As far as I know, the word "HaDaTHa" is used to "simply" mean He informed/He communicated/He Related or narrated, etc.  
 
A QISAAS is a narrative or story SPECIFICALLY TOLD for the sake of giving an example or moral behind the story. That is the difference between Hadeeth and Qisaas. So when it is said in The Quran "wa rasoolan qad QASASNAAHUM 'alayka min qablu wa rasoolan lam NAQSUSHUM 'alayka....", I believe it is saying that their are SOME rusul from before whose narratives (and the moral of their stories) have been mentioned and others whose narratives (and the moral of their stories) have not been mentioned.  
 
But I believe that you are wondering if this verse means that the rusul who have been mentioned are actual historical figures instead of attributes.  
 
This is MY personal view and understanding of this topic. But please remember that when ANY rasool is mentioned, he is ALWAYS mentioned in the context of an event or situation. The event or situation is narrated for the sake of human beings deriving lessons from them. So in my mind, it is not so much the rusul that are the central focus of the Qisaas as it is the SITUATIONS/EVENTS in which they are mentioned that are the true central focus.  
 
Also keep in mind my view that these rusul and situations are "generic" templates used to teach valuable lessons to the human beings.  
 
With this in mind is why I believe that the "gist" of 4/164 is saying that there are rusul (and their events and the moral lessons behind the telling of their stories) that have been mentioned and other rusul (and their events and the moral lessons behind the telling of their stories) have not been mentioned and I believe this is because all of the needed lessons and moral guidance have been covered with the telling of the rusul and their moral events that are mentioned in The Quran. Am I making myself clear or do I need to explain this differently and/or in more detail?  
 
But these narratives (in my humble opinion) are NOT individual and specific cases. They are generic cases which spread widely across the spectrum of human history.  
 
For example, MUSA led The Bani 'Israel out of the tyrannical clutches of the Firaoun. Does the Qisaas of Musa not sound similar to Harriet Tubman and the underground railroad? Does it not sound similar to Marcus Garvey and his Back to Africa movement? Does it not sound like Mohammed Ali Jinnah and his establishment of Pakistan movement?  
 
AND......  
 
Can not the ATTRIBUTE of "Quaid-e-Azam" be equally applied to Harriet Tubman and Marcus Garvey?  
 
Fi'amanillah,  
Damon.  
 

Comments by: Nargis On 23 May 2011Report Abuse
Dear friends, i have used up my arguemtns so im thinking of new ones, plz give me some time and dont think im lazy or crazy.  
 
We killed every yellow cow ( in the hadith junkeys concepts)  
 
Black cube  
 
Pilgrimage  
 
Fasting  
 
personality worship  
 
Khanzeer eating  
 
virgin mother  
 
barren women and old men having kids  
 
angels  
 
forces of nature  
 
khatim al nabowat  
 
etc etc etc  
 
If we have the courage to come that far, then NOTHING can or should stop us now. We should finish what we have started and not let any hindrance come in our way.  
 
"Think of those in the early and middle learning stages. What would your "attributes" theory do with them? This theory has garbled the whole understanding of an old man like me. Please!"  
 
We did not think of those when we started, why now? We cant stop now or ever, our journey just started...  
 
im learning ,,,and facing every yellow cow no matter how its injected in my blood,,,,so believe me,I intended to live for ever, so far so good :)

Comments by: Mubashir Syed On 23 May 2011Report Abuse
Dear Nargis, I seem to agree with you, initially I too had concerns of advance understanding of Islam which might be tough for those who just started their SAFAR. But after a loooooong thought process came to conclusion that IT HAS TO BE WHAT IT IS ( “AS IT” ) than CUSTOMIZING it to requirement of individuals or groups.  
 
Its not that we don’t like yellow cow’s for ease, and you must be aware, it was/is pretty hard to sacrifice those for us as well. Not sure how many more yellow cow’s we possess which needs to be searched and sacrificed as and when found. I think not sure but Allama Pervez might have given sugar coated pills to people so that when sugar is melted in mouths people can actually get to the core of subject, but sadly they still are enjoying sugar coating and not ready to taste pills which might cure.  
 
Jungle me jab aag lagti hai tou Un darakhtaon ka hisaab hota hai jou uge huwe ho, un darakht ka hisaab kyoon jou UGE HI NAHI………I mean why to wait and hinder flow of individuals/groups who already are in search for truth for sake of expected new comers ease. I think it should be like “This is it take it and enhance it or leave it” .  
 
Note : I think its already late, pace is too slow since last 100 years…..  
 
With no intension to offend or defend just 2 cents of concerns and naïve level suggestions……  
 
Thanks,  
Mubashir Syed.

Comments by: Junaid On 23 May 2011Report Abuse
Salaam;  
 
**(The event or situation is narrated for the sake of human beings deriving lessons from them. So in my mind, it is not so much the rusul that are the central focus of the Qisaas as it is the SITUATIONS/EVENTS in which they are mentioned that are the true central focus.) by Damon  
 
My comments:  
Brother Damon, that was absolutely brilliant. I too have the same understanding that we must focus on the SITUATIONS/EVENTS instead of personalities. We need to learn the lessons from these situations and apply them to our present and future.  
 
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**(If we have the courage to come that far, then NOTHING can or should stop us now. We should finish what we have started and not let any hindrance come in our way. ) by Nargis  
**(im learning ,,,and facing every yellow cow no matter how its injected in my blood,,,,so believe me,I intended to live for ever, so far so good :)) by Nargis  
 
My comments:  
Dear sister, that was very well said and I agree with you.  
 
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**(I think not sure but Allama Pervez might have given sugar coated pills to people so that when sugar is melted in mouths people can actually get to the core of subject, but sadly they still are enjoying sugar coating and not ready to taste pills which might cure.) by Mubashir Syed  
 
My comments:  
Brother mubashir, I think you have beautifully explained the whole story in just few words. Well done!  
 
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Finally I would like to request all those who are sharing their "two cents", to please keep sharing, coz I am collecting them and getting rich :D  
 

Comments by: dawood On 24 May 2011Report Abuse
Br. Damon, SA: Thanks for taking time to respond to my concerns or confusions. I will do some cut-and-paste from your posting to explain my understanding. I apologize for being long and winding.  
 
(Damon) “ …. that person is 'isa who is also known by the attribute/titles of Al-Maseeh and Ibnul Maryam. …. then I ask WHY the same is not done for the OTHER personalities and figures …?”  
 
Dawood: If this is indeed true, then a logical conclusion would be: all others are ORIGINAL NAMES, with which these personalities were identified? This inference may further be reinforced by the two attributes of Isa mentioned in your post. Why was it necessary to mention both attributes? Perhaps a simple answer is that (i) Syedna Isa was known in the society with all three identities, a given name, and two attributes? (And (ii) it was necessary to set the record straight in terms of some misconceptions prevailing in the society?)  
 
Lets grant for a moment that all other messengers’ names are not names rather attributes. This raises another question: why pick attributes for all others and omit their names, as suggested by some? What purpose will it serve? There has to be strong reason for such a shift and inconsistency vis-à-vis Syedna Isa. A respective attribute, playing a central role in the respective story, would be a good reason for such a move? I cannot find this pattern with respect to all the qasas here. All attributes can be interchangeably used and they fit well everywhere. Someone with better knowledge, please explain.  
 
What is the point of having the original name Isa along with his attributes, if attributes are the only needed or required identities for all other messengers? What purpose the given name Isa is serving here. Why do we need it? I am more than 100% certain, no word in Quran is unnecessary.  
 
Further, lets look at the attribute “IBRAHIM = a person who talks with arguments and evidence.” This attribute is found, rather is a prerequisite, in all messengers. They are however not referred as Ibrahim. Also, 19:41 is talking about a specific person called Ibrahim not any messenger with attribute Ibrahim.  
 
(Damon): “You also mentioned … "Personality Worship". I seriously disagree with this…”  
 
Dawood: I simply meant, people first begin with finding the meanings (attributes) of the names, then when, where, how these personalities were born, etc. Example of N2I is a good one: first they define oh “Ahmed” has these meanings, nice thing. Then oh Muhammad has these superlative meanings … and the cycle continues, with a result that the original message is lost in search of meanings associated with the name and the personality.  
 
(Damon): “A QISAAS is a narrative or story SPECIFICALLY TOLD for the sake of giving an example..”  
 
Dawood: Thank you, I am with you on this. This in fact brings two concepts, namely QASAS and ASAATEER in sharp focus. My humble understanding (I don’t know Arabic) is that when people say “these are historical stories (assaateers) of previous generations..” they probably meant it has no value or no lesson for us; since this is history don’t bore us with this,; move on; etc. But, Quran did not refute this claim of theirs in categorical terms saying no these did not happen in the past, as it does for other things which it considers not right, rather, Quran tells them, nay, these are examples that you may reflect upon and take heed. So a negative stance is replaced with a positive message without categorically negating the actual happenings in the past. It is not a book of history, thus no dates, places, etc. are given, neither needed.  
 
My understanding is further reinforced by the verse that says “...this quran narrates on Bani Israel in which they differ much ….” To me this verse is meant to set the record straight, to remove some of the misgivings, falsehoods, and miracles, etc. If these QASAS are not related to the actual events in the past, Bani Israel would not be able to relate the quranic message with their events. They could simply say, don’t bring in oranges, we are talking about apples.  
 
(Damon): “But please remember that when ANY rasool is mentioned, he is ALWAYS mentioned in the context of an event or situation…. the central focus of the Qisaas as it is the SITUATIONS/EVENTS in which they are mentioned that are the true central focus.”  
 
Dawood: I fully agree with the general stance of your argument. It however gives me the sense that even if no actual event happened, yet rasools are mentioned in contrived events? If I am right in this understanding, then I am not in agreement on this part as per my understanding above. The best examples are the examples taken from real world events and situations to which people can relate.  
 
(Damon): “But these narratives (in my humble opinion) are NOT individual and specific cases. They are generic cases which spread widely across the spectrum of human history.”  
 
Dawood: Indeed such cases are spread far and wide in the human history. It is perhaps because of this that they assume importance, thus narrated extensively in Quran. Having said that: if these were not actual individuals and specific cases, then it becomes a fiction. Musa is a generic attribute, Bani Israel are generic people, so on and so forth. If “MUSA led The Bani Israel out of Firaun’s clutches,” then there were a messenger named MUSA (physically) and his people Bani Israel. How this fact can be negated by the presence of other similar situations and characters? Or How other similar situations can be better understood by omitting the names of the people or denying the actual happening of such events? Yes, lessons can be and should be drawn from the struggle of MUSA and his people, and this is the generic template that you referred in your kind remarks. Other characters can envision themselves in the situation of MUSA and Bani Israel and can do the same as MUSA did. But why do I need to deny the existence of a messenger named MUSA and convert its name into attributes to take such lessons. Specifically, which verse points us in this direction.  
 
Dr. QZ presents a scenario based on 20:47-58 on page 58 of his book Mujazaate-Musa. As an example, how and why mentioning two attributes (MUSA and HAROON) are helpful in getting the message across, if indeed this event did not take place, and MUSA and Haroon are attributes? Why such a detail and specificity? The entire episode is mentioned with such specificity that it leaves no doubt in my mind about the names or identities of the characters, their physical presence, and the dialogues that went between them. (The translation in Urdu by Dr. QZ is so brilliant that I can envision myself witnessing the dialogue. This is aside).  
 
(Damon): “Can not the ATTRIBUTE of "Quaid-e-Azam" be equally applied to Harriet Tubman and Marcus Garvey?”  
 
Dawood: They can indeed be applied. But can one say that the “Quaid-e-Azam and his nation did not exist historically?” Or can one say to Pakistani Nation that the Quaid-e-azam that they know is a generic one and not a specific individual?” Yes, Quaid-e-Azam is an attribute linked to a specific person, thereby giving him another identity, just like the attributive identities of Syedna Isa.  
 
I truly appreciate your help and apologize for taking up your time. Thank you.  

Comments by: Damon On 24 May 2011Report Abuse
Salaam Respected Aastana Family,  
 
Dear Dawood Bhai,  
 
(Dawood) - If this is indeed true, then a logical conclusion would be: all others are ORIGINAL NAMES, with which these personalities were identified? This inference may further be reinforced by the two attributes of Isa mentioned in your post. Why was it necessary to mention both attributes? Perhaps a simple answer is that (i) Syedna Isa was known in the society with all three identities, a given name, and two attributes? (And (ii) it was necessary to set the record straight in terms of some misconceptions prevailing in the society?)  
 
(Damon) - I humbly disagree with your conclusion because in the case of 'Isa, it is CLEARLY STATED that he has a birth name AS WELL AS an attribute/title. THIS IS NOT THE CASE for all of the other rusul mentioned in The Quran. So in my humble opinion your conclusion can be considered arbitrary and one sided. I can just as easily say that a logical conclusion would be: all others are ATTRIBUTES, with which these personalities were identified.  
 
Why was it necessary to mention BOTH attributes? I humbly admit that I do not have an answer to that question and would require further research and inquiry (hopefully by ALL OF US). The answers you have provided to this question do have merit in my opinion. I believe that 'Isa is a "special case" compared to the other "mentioned" rusul in The Quran.  
 
 
(Dawood) - Lets grant for a moment that all other messengers’ names are not names rather attributes. This raises another question: why pick attributes for all others and omit their names, as suggested by some? What purpose will it serve? There has to be strong reason for such a shift and inconsistency vis-à-vis Syedna Isa. A respective attribute, playing a central role in the respective story, would be a good reason for such a move? I cannot find this pattern with respect to all the qasas here. All attributes can be interchangeably used and they fit well everywhere. Someone with better knowledge, please explain.  
 
(Damon) - The answer to this question would more than likely be connected to the answer in your other question above. What I do believe is that 'Isa is certainly in a zone all his own vis-a-vis the other rusul. One crucial difference between 'Isa and Musa is that Musa was brought up under the protection of the Firaoun while receiving his moral training where as 'Isa was not. He had to receive his moral training AWAY from the normal environment of the common folk. There HAS TO BE a reason for this. I wish to thoroughly study and research The Quran to find that reason.  
 
 
(Dawood) - What is the point of having the original name Isa along with his attributes, if attributes are the only needed or required identities for all other messengers? What purpose the given name Isa is serving here. Why do we need it? I am more than 100% certain, no word in Quran is unnecessary.  
 
(Damon)- Do you think that this question can be applied to Allah as well? What is the point of having the original name Allah along with IT'S attributes? Again brother, 'Isa is a "tad bit" above the others, hence the NAME and ATTRIBUTES. Allah is leaps and bounds above ALL THINGS, hence the NAME and ATTRIBUTES!! If 'Isa has the pleasure of having his name AND attributes mention while the others do not, I believe it speaks for a "uniqueness" that 'Isa has as compared to the others.  
 
(Dawood) - Further, lets look at the attribute “IBRAHIM = a person who talks with arguments and evidence.” This attribute is found, rather is a prerequisite, in all messengers. They are however not referred as Ibrahim. Also, 19:41 is talking about a specific person called Ibrahim not any messenger with attribute Ibrahim.  
 
(Damon) - I need to take this opportunity to make MY position clear whenever "I" speak of attributes. When I say that the "names" attributed to rusul in The Quran are attributes, I PERSONALLY am not speaking attributes with literal definitions. I realize that there are others here who mean it in that sense when they speak of names of rusul being attributes.  
 
When I speak of attributes of rusul, I do so to differentiate between a "generic" model of a human being (which is the view I support) and a so-called "actual" and "specific" person in human history. I have, up to this point, used the word attribute for lack of a better term. The word "title" would do me no better. But in any case, I am speaking of these rusul as being "generic models" for all human beings to emulate in spirit and principle.  
 
I believe Marcus Garvey, Harriet Tubman and Mohammed Ali Jinnah took on the generic Musa mold beautifully. I believe Sister Clara Mohammed (Wife of Elijah Mohammed and Mother of W.D. Mohammed) exemplied the Maryum attribute beautifully and she even has the honor of having schools named after her across the United States. I believe Elijah Mohammed suited the Yunus model very well and did a good job of cleaning up his people and giving them dignity just like the people of Yunus in 10/98. If Dr. Asarul Islam succeeds in his mission he himself will be a modern day Musa nd Yunus. And I personally liken Dr. Qamar Zaman and Dr. Akhtar Sherazi to Ibrahim since they are doing a good job of confronting and knocking the head off of the "myths" and "idolatry". So I believe the "unique" names are "assigned" to each individual rasool to make each of their unique situations, events and cases stand apart and be recognizable from the others.  
 
 
(Dawood) - I simply meant, people first begin with finding the meanings (attributes) of the names, then when, where, how these personalities were born, etc. Example of N2I is a good one: first they define oh “Ahmed” has these meanings, nice thing. Then oh Muhammad has these superlative meanings … and the cycle continues, with a result that the original message is lost in search of meanings associated with the name and the personality.  
 
(Damon) - Brother Dawood, no matter how much you disagree or do not like it, the FACT remains (according to ARABIC GRAMMAR) that the word "Muhammad" IS NOT a proper name and it is NOT a proper noun. If a person were to deliberately name their child "Muhammad", it would be the same as someone naming their child "He who likes ice cream" or "She who loves horses". This topic of "muhammad" is a dead horse that has already been beaten millions of times here at Aastana.  
 
 
(Dawood) - Thank you, I am with you on this. This in fact brings two concepts, namely QASAS and ASAATEER in sharp focus. My humble understanding (I don’t know Arabic) is that when people say “these are historical stories (assaateers) of previous generations..” they probably meant it has no value or no lesson for us; since this is history don’t bore us with this,; move on; etc. But, Quran did not refute this claim of theirs in categorical terms saying no these did not happen in the past, as it does for other things which it considers not right, rather, Quran tells them, nay, these are examples that you may reflect upon and take heed. So a negative stance is replaced with a positive message without categorically negating the actual happenings in the past. It is not a book of history, thus no dates, places, etc. are given, neither needed.  
 
(Damon) - I have read this statement a few times and I do not understand what point you were making. Can I ask that you elaborate on this point?  
 
 
(Dawood) - My understanding is further reinforced by the verse that says “...this quran narrates on Bani Israel in which they differ much ….” To me this verse is meant to set the record straight, to remove some of the misgivings, falsehoods, and miracles, etc. If these QASAS are not related to the actual events in the past, Bani Israel would not be able to relate the quranic message with their events. They could simply say, don’t bring in oranges, we are talking about apples.  
 
(Damon) - Again brother, you are applying an historical belief to the interpretation of this and similar verses. We may have to agree to disagree on this one since I am applying a "general" and "generic" interpretation of the same verse. What I mean by this is that the SITUATION that this verse is talking about has happened many times, in many different periods of human history and played out by many different human societies and peoples. It is OUR job to read this "general" situation so we know what we are supposed to do WHEN we find ourselves in the SAME SITUATION. Believe me brother Dawood, WE are STILL trying to get people to "sacrifice" a golden calf. And we find ourselves having as a hard a time at it as Musa.  
 
 
(Dawood) - I fully agree with the general stance of your argument. It however gives me the sense that even if no actual event happened, yet rasools are mentioned in contrived events? If I am right in this understanding, then I am not in agreement on this part as per my understanding above. The best examples are the examples taken from real world events and situations to which people can relate.  
 
(Damon) - My dearest brother, I hope you are able to read my words very carefully :-). They are NOT contrived events. They are events THAT HAVE HAPPENED millions of times by millions of people. The Quran tells the stories of these events, but does so ONLY ONE TIME EACH instead of narrating EACH and EVERY instance that these situations have occured. The PURPOSE for the Quran of bringing it to our attention is because these events which have happened millions of times with millions of people in the past will happen a million more times by millions of people in the future. With the OUTLINE of the situations layed out in The Quran, we have better control at the outcome of the events. That is the purpose of the Quranic Qisaas.  
 
 
(Dawood) - Indeed such cases are spread far and wide in the human history. It is perhaps because of this that they assume importance, thus narrated extensively in Quran. Having said that: if these were not actual individuals and specific cases, then it becomes a fiction. Musa is a generic attribute, Bani Israel are generic people, so on and so forth. If “MUSA led The Bani Israel out of Firaun’s clutches,” then there were a messenger named MUSA (physically) and his people Bani Israel. How this fact can be negated by the presence of other similar situations and characters? Or How other similar situations can be better understood by omitting the names of the people or denying the actual happening of such events? Yes, lessons can be and should be drawn from the struggle of MUSA and his people, and this is the generic template that you referred in your kind remarks. Other characters can envision themselves in the situation of MUSA and Bani Israel and can do the same as MUSA did. But why do I need to deny the existence of a messenger named MUSA and convert its name into attributes to take such lessons. Specifically, which verse points us in this direction.  
 
(Damon) - I believe that question has been answered above.  
 
 
(Dawood) - Dr. QZ presents a scenario based on 20:47-58 on page 58 of his book Mujazaate-Musa. As an example, how and why mentioning two attributes (MUSA and HAROON) are helpful in getting the message across, if indeed this event did not take place, and MUSA and Haroon are attributes? Why such a detail and specificity? The entire episode is mentioned with such specificity that it leaves no doubt in my mind about the names or identities of the characters, their physical presence, and the dialogues that went between them. (The translation in Urdu by Dr. QZ is so brilliant that I can envision myself witnessing the dialogue. This is aside).  
 
(Damon) - I'll put it to you this way. For the Bani Israel, we have Musa and Haroon. For the ideology of Pakistan movement, we had G.A. Parvez and Allamah Mohammed Iqbal. BOTH EXEMPLIFY one movement spearheaded by two complementing "personalities". We also had Elijah Mohammed and Malcolm X in the ONE movement that was the Nation of Islam. I hope you can see the point that I am trying to make.  
 
 
(Dawood) - They can indeed be applied. But can one say that the “Quaid-e-Azam and his nation did not exist historically?” Or can one say to Pakistani Nation that the Quaid-e-azam that they know is a generic one and not a specific individual?” Yes, Quaid-e-Azam is an attribute linked to a specific person, thereby giving him another identity, just like the attributive identities of Syedna Isa.  
 
(Damon) - They can say that the "attributes" and "qualities" of the "Quaid-e-Azam" are universal qualities and attributes that can apply to ANYONE who stands for what he stood for. By the way, on an ending note Marcus Garvey's "nickname" was "Mosiah" which to the Jamaican people (of which he was) means "MOSES"..........he who leads an "Exodus" of his people :-)  
 
Fi'amanillah,  
Damon.

Comments by: moazzam On 24 May 2011
Dear Brother Dawood !Yes all the Qasses written in Alkitab are generic template (tamsili waqiat) to provide eternal guidance beyond time and space.  
Remember! THE BROND CANT BE GENERIC TEMPLATE.  
To know the sense of verse 4/164 ( given under) ,please read the following.  
 
وَرُسُلاً قَدْ قَصَصْنَاهُمْ عَلَيْكَ مِن قَبْلُ وَرُسُلاً لَّمْ نَقْصُصْهُمْ عَلَيْكَ وَكَلَّمَ اللّهُ مُوسَى تَكْلِيمًا  
رُّسُلاً مُّبَشِّرِينَ وَمُنذِرِينَ لِئَلاَّ يَكُونَ لِلنَّاسِ عَلَى اللّهِ حُجَّةٌ بَعْدَ الرُّسُلِ وَكَانَ اللّهُ عَزِيزًا حَكِيمًا  
We should read the context of the subject, go to the verses 4/162-170,  
 
Ma Unzila elaika = any conceived idea/guidance in your mind (in the mind of of Rasool e waqt) after pondering into Alkitab to guide his nation.  
 
Keeping in view the above concept of “NUZOOL” read the verse 4/162.  
Now come at the verse 4/163, here it is said the NUZOOL (the conceiving of ideas/guidance in your mind after pondering into this Alkitab)is in a same way as it had been with all previous rasools (with different attributes) before you.  
Come to the verse 2/164, it means, that,some of character’s attributes has been tolled and some not ( to fulfill the eternal requirement of message.  
Come at verse 4/165, here, it is made realized that the said process will be continued to satisfy the equality among all mankind.  
Now focus at verse 4/170, here it is announced in Alkitab that continuation of Risalat will remain in mankind.  
I appreciate Brother Damon for his work, he is 100% right to understand and explain the facts in this regard.  
 

Comments by: Waqar On 24 May 2011Report Abuse
Dear brothers and sisters,  
I have read this thread and few other threads on the similar topic. I am sorry to say that this whole discussion about history vs attribute is confusing.  
 
I have some questions regarding this topic. I will appreciate if any sister or brother can help me understand them.  
 
1) It looks to me that regardless of whether Ibrahim, Musa, Isa, Muhammad, etc were real historical personalities or not, they are presented as examples to us in Quran. Is my understanding correct?  
 
2) If we think that Quran explain itself, then shouldn't the definition of these personalities/characters be available in Quran?  
 
3) How will it help us understand and apply message of Quran in 21st century if we think that the names given in Quran are names of real historical personalities vs exemplary virtual characters?  
 
4) If we take them as real historical personalities then do we need any extra information from history (or any other sources) to understand the messages conveyed by these roles in Quran?  
 
5) If we take them as attributes of some exemplary person(s) / group(s) / institution(s) then what is the hinderance in understanding the message?  
 
 
Regards,  
Waqar

Comments by: moazzam On 24 May 2011
Waqar ! 1) It looks to me that regardless of whether Ibrahim, Musa, Isa, Muhammad, etc were real historical personalities or not, they are presented as examples to us in Quran. Is my understanding correct?  
Moazzam ! YES they are, not only attributes of rasools but all other characters as well ,like FIRAON,ABULAHAB, HAROOT MAROOT,YAHOOD,MOMIN,NASARA,HAMAN,ETC  
 
Waqar ! 2) If we think that Quran explain itself, then shouldn't the definition of these personalities/characters be available in Quran?  
Moazzam All are available  
 
Waqar ! 3) How will it help us understand and apply message of Quran in 21st century if we think that the names given in Quran are names of real historical personalities vs exemplary virtual characters?  
Moazzam ! You must distinguish between BRAND NAME and GENERIC TEMPLATE.  
 
Waqar ! 4) If we take them as real historical personalities then do we need any extra information from history (or any other sources) to understand the messages conveyed by these roles in Quran?  
Moazzam ! The entire message of Quran will be garbled and intermingled as usually we are facing, Ultimately Deen-e islam will be converted into Mazhab of different sects.Just think about the role of AHADITH AND SO CALLED ISLAMIC HISTORY IN MUSLIM UMMAH.  
Mind! All extra historical material will devastate the divine message.  
 
Waqar ! 5) If we take them as attributes of some exemplary person(s) / group(s) / institution(s) then what is the hindrance in understanding the message?  
Moazzam! No hindrance rather most helpful, also required to be taken it in the same sense, to justify the Quran is beyond time and space,  
 
 

Comments by: moazzam On 24 May 2011
 
Dear Dawood,Damon ! IBN-E-MARYAM HAS THREE ATTREBUTE  
1)YAHYA. (means who provides life to dead nation) I have already elaborated  
2) MASIEH. The soft spoken articulate person. This is the attribute of a man who speaks politely, logically and fluently (while presenting arguments to convince the people), therefore Prophet EISA also called MASIEH due to this attribute see verses 4/171,4/157/3/45. A man who travels place to place therefore called Masieh as well.  
3) Eisa :- The root is (ain,seen, wao) or (ain, seen, seen)) meaning is who praises, if root is ( س س ﻉ then meaning is, Who look after in darkness (an other attribute of ibn e Maryam) .  
Conclusion = any Rasool could be ibn-e- Maryam and any institution if has the capability to produce the leaders could be called Maryam(if having the same attributes)  

Comments by: Nargis On 24 May 2011Report Abuse
Brother Dawood, IF the events of the Quran are only one time instances and one time performances... by unique people who are in fact super humans because no1 can be like them...  
 
Then what is the point of telling us their unique story, when we can only read and praise, but not listen and do something? The events won’t happen again, and the person is super-human, so what is the purpose of telling us a story we are not related to?  
It’s like mythology and a fairy tale to us,  
 
If there is no Moses or Pharaoh today or in the future, then the story have no significance  
 
Looks like Moses learnt every aspect of the laws and its harm and damages on the people, which led him to see the NAAR and thus presented it as Asaa. To me it look like a law change or constitution change presented to the government, parliament. And it looks like Eesa came with the happy news to the people, because their lives were regulated by unnecessary laws based on lies and fraud. So he presented Glad notifications about the beauty of Allah, Universe and what it has to offer and gave some basic principle of haraams, and after that, everything is halaal.  
 
Is it not possible by human beings now, or in the future?  
 
If it’s not possible, then why tell us their story? Why couldn’t Allah just teach us lessons and use Aliens, Angels and Demons, instead of human beings, why are we given lessons through human beings?
 

Comments by: Damon On 25 May 2011Report Abuse
Nargis and Moazzam,  
 
You have PERFECTLY explained what I was trying to say. You two have managed to find the right words. How long is it going to be before we finally see Nargis' name along with the executive members?  
 
Dear Waqar, you are asking the RIGHT questions.

Comments by: dawood On 25 May 2011Report Abuse
Dear Brs. and Siters, SA: I think we are not on the same page with respect to the basic understanding of the word “attribute.” My understanding of attributes stems from Br. Moazzam’s direct literal meanings of the words, since he used the word “attributes.” I am not sure which definition each one of you has in mind?  
 
With due respect, Br. Moazzam’s definition of attributes does not appeal to me. Was the literal quality inherent in say word Musa not possessed by any other messengers? What is the link or the centrality of the literal meanings of the words such as MUSA, IBRAHIM, etc. to the situation described in respective verses? Do these literal meanings encompass all the characteristics associated with a given person?  
 
Lets assume a scenario in which there are parallels between a specific event (say of Bani Israel) described in the quran and another event, at another time, at another place. Do you think, a person possessing a quality described by the literal meanings of Musa would deliver the same results as were delivered by Syedna Musa?  
 
I consider the words like IBRAHIM, MUSA, ESA, etc. to be either names given to these personalities by their parents, or some kind of titles given to them by their societies due to their extraordinary work, leadership, analytical abilities, so on and so forth. The end result is that these personalities were known with these identities (original names or given titles or both) for the rest of their lives. No single word can fully represent the wide range of qualities or features of a good leader either; and Rasools are leaders and institutions in themselves. Whenever that identity was referred to people immediately knew who is being talked about.  
 
The purpose of these events (QASAS) is depicted by surah Hood, verse 120, and is well explained by Dr. QZ in his book Mojzaate Musa, page 21. These QASAS do provide a general template in a sense that one could see how rasools were opposed and treated when they tried to rescue the oppressed people. Such situations would demand steadfastness to achieve the desired goals. The message is clear: (i) any reformer will be opposed tooth and nail by those whose interests are threatened, and (ii) if the people and the reformer(s) remain steadfast in the face of this opposition, they will succeed eventually. The evidence according to my understanding does not point me in the direction that the events and the characters involved in these events are generic, rather the specificity of these narrations show it otherwise.  
 
To me, it is a misconception that previous rasools were super human beings. Had that been the case, Musa would not have said this “ …. I am afraid they will kill me …” (Surah Shuhra, verse 114).  
 
Damon Bhai: I am not neglecting your posting. Its rather becoming longer and longer and I don’t find time to respond to each point. I however remain indebted to you and all my brothers and sisters at Aastana to help me understand the message clearly. I would just say once more that given the evidence in the Quran and my understanding of it constrains me to conclude anything other than what I have tried to explain above. As you said, we agree to disagree at this point.  
 
Sister Nargis: I hope my stance is clear to you from the above discussion. Someone said in Urdu and I quote “ …har phiraune ra musa…” This is what you are trying to say, if I correctly understood it. This however does not disprove that the events and characters mentioned in the Quran were not actual events and not actual characters with specific identities. If someone can come up with verses from the Quran to show it otherwise, I will be happy to see it and evaluate it.  

Comments by: moazzam On 25 May 2011
Dear Dawood Bhai ! Please read all the following refereces minutely and carefully with the subject context regarding ALKITAB , the matter will be cleared to you.  
The basic point is ,that, the SAME ALKITAB HAS BEEN AND WILL BE GIVEN TO ALL RASOOLS. This Alkitab has some GENERIC TEMPLATES OF ATTRIBUTES WRITTEN BEING THE ETERNAL GUIDANCE BEYOND TIME AND SPACE.  
.Remember no any other book except( categorically)SAME ALKITAB was given to all rasools.  
وَرُسُلاً قَدْ قَصَصْنَاهُمْ عَلَيْكَ مِن قَبْلُ وَرُسُلاً لَّمْ نَقْصُصْهُمْ عَلَيْكَ وَكَلَّمَ اللّهُ مُوسَى تَكْلِيمًا  
رُّسُلاً مُّبَشِّرِينَ وَمُنذِرِينَ لِئَلاَّ يَكُونَ لِلنَّاسِ عَلَى اللّهِ حُجَّةٌ بَعْدَ الرُّسُلِ وَكَانَ اللّهُ عَزِيزًا حَكِيمًا  
1:- kindly go to the verse 2/2,2/44,2/53,2,87,2/113 and there are other 232 verses of Quran where you will find the word ALKITAB (the book). This is the same ALKITAB which have been given to every rasool.  
Firstly, it was revealed at the most intellect person in the Adams’s society when Adam existed into full conscious being,but we don’t know when and where it happened because (Alkitab=Alrooh ) see the verse 17/85.  
All the prophets will seek guidance through pondering into this Alkitab , whatever will conceived in their mind will be called NUZOOL ALKITAB (wahy), ( remember the rasool also takes guidance from nature as well).  
The name of rusul mentioned in Alkitab are not proper noun rather, the ATTREBUTES of the characters mentioned in the eternal example set by Allah(THE GENERIC TEMPLATES), like mohammad,ibrahim,mosa,yahya,noha, etc  
2:- come to the verse 15/9, the ZIKR,and QURAN is the same ALKITAB.  
See the verse 7/145,7/150,7/154, 85/22,54/13 here we find the word “LOHH”this also means the ALKITAB/SUHOF.Now you consolidate these all verses with respect to their context which conclude that the protection of this “ALKITAB” has been described.  
The problem lies with the mentality of the religious intregues, those converted these template into physical events( played at earh), as they always had/has been tried to devastate the divine message as per their wish,and produced in the form of INJEEL(BIBLE), TALMOOD, TAURAAT,and this process is still going on.  

Comments by: Damon On 26 May 2011Report Abuse
Salaam Dear Dawood Bhai,  
 
(Dawood) - As you said, we agree to disagree at this point.  
 
(Damon) - Even if we agree to disagree on certain matters it does not harm the brotherhood and comradery that we share. :-D  
 
Fi'amanillah,  
Damon.

Comments by: dawood On 27 May 2011Report Abuse
Dear Brothers and Sisters, SA:  
Brother Moazzam: Thank you for your kind reply. As per my meager understanding, the term “ALKITAB” because of its unique characteristics and the message(s) is used for the book of Allah in each and every era. “ALKITAB” became the pivotal word referring to His book, in every civilization, past and present. It is however incomprehensible to me to even think that the physical form and the shape of this book was/is as that of today in any other previous era, say an era prior to the invention of paper. The language and its constructs, the numbers of letters and sentences, so on and so forth were according to the dictation and the constraints of every era. It is the message, the essence, the fundamental principles that remain unchanged since the dawn of the human civilization. My above understanding is informed by the following verses: ( I am using existing translations, good or bad have no choice at this time)  
 
1.Ye People of the Book! Why dispute ye about Abraham, when the Law (Taurah) and the Gospel (Injeel) Were not revealed Till after him? Have ye no understanding? (3:65)  
As per my understanding, two points could be deduced from this verse: (i) The first part is talking about the Ahlul kitab in general that can include any group(s) until today. The second part makes it clear that it is referring to two groups of people in particular, one having Taurah and the other Injeel. The question arises, if they had the same book ALKITAB, what is the point of difference and why are the qualifiers of Taurah and Injeel needed? Does’t Alkitab contains Taurah and Injeel? My humble understanding is that the book of Allah, ALKITAB was also named or referred as “Taurah” by one group and as “Injeel” by the other group. Moreover, both of these groups are in the post-Ibrahamic era. Similar situation exists today with reference to the ALKITAB, also called ALQURAN. (ii) It also makes it clear that IBRAHIM went before these two groups, thereby indicating a time-line about a person that existed before these groups, notwithstanding the meanings of the word Ibrahim or the generic template that it provides.  
 
2.The Messenger believeth in what hath been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one believeth in Allah, His angels, His BOOKS, and His messengers. …." (2:285)  
What the phrase “BOOKS” is referring to? Would it not be right to conclude that this reference is for respective books given to respective messengers in their respective eras? Yet, each one is also called “ALKITAB?”  
 
3. It is He Who sent down to thee, in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (Taurah) and the Gospel (Injeel) before this, as a guide to mankind. (3:3)  
Again why the BOOK, ALKITAB and its previous versions being named differently? Also, the ALKITAB confirms what went before it. If the same ALKITAB went before it what is the need to confirm it? Is ALKITAB=Taurah=Injeel=Quran? Or Taurah and Injeel are the subsets of the book ALKITAB?  
And before this, was the Book of Moses as a guide and a mercy: And this Book confirms (it) in the Arabic tongue; to admonish the unjust, and as Glad Tidings to those who do right. (46:12)  
Now the term ALKITAB is replaced with the term “Book of Moses,” which went before this Book, Quran? Why simple KITAB is used instead of ALKITAB? Is it because it’s a book in specific language for a particular era, and the term ALKITAB is a general terminology used for the book of Allah in any era? Same sense could be inferred in 2:89? My humble understanding once more is that the word ALKITAB always refers to the BOOK of ALLAH in each and every era, and the word BOOK perhaps refers to the various books along with other names given to those books in various societies, eras, etc. I leave it at that for someone more knowledgeable to wrestle with it. I am however open to any critique on my understanding and to guidance from other brothers and sisters.  
 
Now a word for brother Moazzam’s theory of Brand and Generic products. According to my limited understanding, the overwhelming model in the world today is that Brand names are brought in first, followed by the generic products. Simple reason is that Brand names require huge investments and they establish the efficacy, advantages, limitations, etc. of the product. It is after the demonstration of the products’ advantages and disadvantages that generic products come into being by using the active ingredients of the brand products. I would like to refer the brand products as illustrative or brand examples, highlighting that it is possible to do this. The fundamental principles in these brand examples are analogous to the active ingredients in the brand products. These principles become the generic ingredients for generic examples, in general. It seems to me, the examples in the Quran are more closely associated with the brand examples.  

Comments by: dawood On 27 May 2011 Edit DeleteReport Abuse
Salam Br. Damon, and other Aastana members:  
(Damon) - Even if we agree to disagree on certain matters it does not harm the brotherhood and comradery that we share. :-D  
 
Dawood: It is a great pleasure and satisfaction to know you and other sisters and brothers at this forum. I am sure nothing can fracture the bond of the brotherhood that exists between us.  
 
Dawood

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Verse 2:62 is often quoted by Muslims to prove any faith is acceptable to Allah as long as people believe in Allah, Day of Judgement and perform good deeds. Would it not be right to stipulate that a belief in Allah should be as defined by the Qur'an? Question by: Mubashir From CANADA On 06/07/2011
 
Verse2:62. Muslims often quote it to prove that Allah accepts any belief as long as people believe in Allah, Day of Judgement and do good works. Question: Should it not be stipulated that belief in Allah should be as defined in the Qur'an? Question by: Mubashir From CANADA On 06/07/2011
 
Respected Sir, 1- What is the difference between "Ribaa" & "Baeh" as quoted in 2 / 275 ? 2- What about the profit being offered by National Saving Centers on fixed deposits. Can we term it as "Ribaa" ? Question by: M Aslam From PAKISTAN (GOJRA) On 11/07/2011
 
Dear Aastana Members: Assalam o alaikum. Kindly enlighten us about LAILA TULQADR and SHAB-E-BRAAT , Brother Moazzam is requested please elaborate the Surah Alqadr (97). Question by: naeem sheikh From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 18/07/2011
 
Dr Sahab And Mambers Is it possible that wahi reveals on some nabi other then Quran in these days at any nation. Question by: Saeed From PAKISTAN (KARACHI(MSAEEDTAJ@GMAIL.COM)) On 18/07/2011
 
Is god an entity Question by: Yellow-cow From AFGHANISTAN (KABUL) On 22/07/2011
 
Ched some light on 54.45, not sense at all. Why say we criate pairs and the man the woman? Question by: Yellow-cow From AFGHANISTAN (KABUL) On 30/07/2011
 
Brother Moazzam! Please enlighten us about the wife of "Aziz e Misr" realy fell in love with Yousaf and invited him for fornication at her bed ,in the absence of king? IT SEEMS STRANGE TO ME BEING A DIVINE MESSAGE. Question by: naeem sheikh From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 15/08/2011
 
Which socio-economic concept does Quran supports: Homo reciprocans OR Homo economicus? Please find the details below: Question by: Junaid From PAKISTAN (KARACHI) On 01/09/2011
 
What political philosophy does Quran supports: Libertarianism, Voluntaryism OR Anarchism? Please find the details below: Question by: Junaid From PAKISTAN (KARACHI) On 01/09/2011
 
Does Quran supports Egalitarianism and Existentialism? Please find the details below: Question by: Junaid From PAKISTAN (KARACHI) On 01/09/2011
 
Does Quran allow Rebellion or is it totally forbidden in any situation whatsoever? Please find the details below: Question by: Junaid From PAKISTAN (KARACHI) On 01/09/2011
 
Dear Members Is soorah Fateha is a part of Quran? If not then where it comes from.? Salaam Question by: Saeed From PAKISTAN (KARACHI(MSAEEDTAJ@GMAIL.COM)) On 03/09/2011
 
I have asked 5 very important questions but none from aastana team known as "WE" has replied. Are these questions irrelevant? OR is everyone from the "WE" team is too busy trying to convince Mr. Dhulqarnain? Question by: Junaid From PAKISTAN (KARACHI) On 04/09/2011
 
Dear Sir, A question ! ...".Jannat" & "Jahanum"...As per Quran , are these physical places , or concepts , or status for humankind ? please explain with quotation of Quranic verses. Question by: M Aslam From PAKISTAN (GOJRA) On 05/09/2011
 
Dear all ,What exactly is unachievable in the mentioned attributes of Rusools and Nabis and what did they do to get wahy....? Question by: Nargis From BARBADOS (KIO BATAO?) On 12/09/2011
 
Dear Sir, A question ! ... ".Jannat" & "Jahanum"...As per Quran , are these physical places , or concepts , or status for humankind ? please explain with quranic reference, Question by: M Aslam From PAKISTAN (GOJRA) On 17/09/2011
 
PEACE TO ALL, DID ALLAH CHANGE PEOPLE INTO APES AND SWINE? 5:60..He brought His wrath and of whom He made apes and swine... YES: EXPLAIN NO: EXPLAIN Question by: DHULQARNAIN From UNITED STATES On 21/09/2011
 
Dear Sir, Please explain meanings of verses 160 t0173 of sura 26, relatin to events of hazarat LOOT' Question by: M Aslam From PAKISTAN (GOJRA) On 23/09/2011
 
Brother Moazzam; Please enlighten us about the palmistry given in the link http://profkokab.com/. Is it a science or the branch of secrete knowledge already plotted in the universe.?? Question by: Mujeeb From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 27/12/2011
 
Surah jummah 2, why is it saying "Rusool" and not "Mohammed"...Rusool is among ummi....or Mohammed is ummi...? Question by: Nargis2 From TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO (TOMBACCO) On 04/01/2012
 
جنابَ محترم ! کچھھ عرصہ قبل ایک کتابچہ شائع ہوا تھا "اہلِ حدیث کے چھھ سوالات کے جوابات" مجھے اس کا لنک چاہئے۔ Question by: M Aslam From PAKISTAN (GOJRA) On 13/01/2012
 
brother Moazzam: Please enlighten us about the bird called "HUD HUD",who brought information about queen saba.how can a bird understand the TAUHEED AND SHIRK, more over differetiation between male and female ruling?? Question by: Mujeeb From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 14/01/2012
 
How & when "Namaz" was intoduced into Muslim society? Question by: M Aslam From PAKISTAN (GOJRA) On 30/01/2012
 
Dear Members, Brother Moazzam: Please enlighten us about the term "FIQH", is it a Quranic term? if yes then were would we find the Aastana's FIQH as Aastana is providing Quranic translation only [asked by one of my colleague]. Question by: Mujeeb From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 15/02/2012
 
Respected Moazzam/Auranangazeb sahib and Brothers, Considering the fact that Quran's meanings/interpretations are being manipulated/corrupted/distorted to a massive level, how a common man can understand his service towards his God? Question by: sameermoopa From INDIA On 15/02/2012
 
question asked:- could 'ma tashabaha minHU' be 'min Allah' rather than 'min al-kitab'. After all, Allah is the doer of this aya.(3:7) Question by: Nargis From BARBADOS (KIO BATAO?) On 29/02/2012
 
Aastana team : Do the counts given in Quran like 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,10,11,12,19,20,30,40,70,80,99,100,200, 950,1000,2000,3000,5000,50000 at different places are real numerical counts or possess other lexicon meanings as per context ? Question by: Mujeeb From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 28/03/2012
 
Drar Sir, Please define the meanings of 9 / 36 What here :- أَرْبَعَةٌ حُرُمٌ ذَلِكَ الدِّينُ الْقَيِّمُ Question by: M Aslam From PAKISTAN (GOJRA) On 28/03/2012
 
What are Harut Marut? Question by: moazzam From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 02/11/2012
 
TRUE SENSE OF VERSE 20/46 : قَالَ لَا تَخَافَا إِنَّنِي مَعَكُمَا أَسْمَعُ وَأَرَى. Question by: moazzam From PAKISTAN (ISLAMABAD) On 03/04/2013
 
1) THEY ASK YOU ABOUT AL ROOH (WAHY)? 2) IS THE QURAN DIVINE, IF YES, WHY? Question by: Nargis From BARBADOS (KIO BATAO?) On 05/05/2013
 
Dear Moazzam bhai regards, Quran me ya to saza ke dar se ya reward ke laalach se naik kaam ke liye kaha jata hai.Kya Insan itna gaya guzra hai ki wo in two baton ke alawa Naik kaamon ki taraf aa nahi sakta? Question by: Mohd Danish From INDIA (SAHARANPUR) On 08/05/2013
 
Dear Moazzam bhai regards, 6/151 me aulaad ko qatl na karne ki jo baat hai uska mafhoom kya hai ? Question by: Mohd Danish From INDIA (SAHARANPUR) On 19/05/2013
 
Dear Moazzam bhai regards, Quran me ya to saza ke dar se ya reward ke laalach se naik kaam ke liye kaha jata hai.Kya Insan itna gaya guzra hai ki wo in two baton ke alawa Naik kaamon ki taraf aa nahi sakta? Question by: Mohd Danish From INDIA (SAHARANPUR) On 19/05/2013
 
Religion has divided humanity into sects , how to bring about inter faith harmony between religions ? Question by: Hamid Gul From PAKISTAN (KARACHI) On 18/09/2015
 
salam DR sab and every one, please watch this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhjikPTzLDA we need bold persons to explain quran openly with no fear. please post this. Question by: kanju swat From UNITED KINGDOM (LONDON) On 18/01/2016
 
Stealing someone's property is considered bad. Why stealing property of Allah(Land, it's ownership, selling and purchasing) is not bad ? Question by: Hamid Gul From PAKISTAN (KARACHI) On 24/02/2016
 
Brothers and sisters of aastana team,Quran rejects democracy. What is political system of "mumlaqat-e-elahaya" Question by: Hamid Gul From PAKISTAN (KARACHI) On 26/02/2016
 
Why not blow life into lifeless aastana site by putting questions concerning life and find answers through scientific discoveries instead of fixing ourselves in theology ? Question by: Hamid Gul From PAKISTAN (KARACHI) On 26/02/2016
 
Why should we limit ourselves to Quran while searching for truth, when Al-kitab also includes science/nature ? Science +Wahi = Al-kitab. Question by: Hamid Gul From PAKISTAN (KARACHI) On 02/03/2016
 
When did modern State came into being and how were people living in anarchy ? Let us ponder ? Question by: Hamid Gul From PAKISTAN (KARACHI) On 04/03/2016
 
"Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly and bad people will find a way around the laws. " Plato Do we need laws? Question by: Hamid Gul From PAKISTAN (KARACHI) On 04/03/2016
 
Why can't Mother Nature itself be viewed as the Creator and It's knowledge be viewed as Wahi ? Question by: Hamid Gul From PAKISTAN (KARACHI) On 05/03/2016
 
What is the future of family institution in the Modren Civilization ? Question by: Hamid Gul From PAKISTAN (KARACHI) On 05/03/2016
 
Salam every one , what is the best QUESTION/ANSWER to the atheists about the God existence ?and what is Quran says about GOD (himself ),thanks Question by: kanju swat From UNITED KINGDOM (LONDON) On 21/03/2016
 
Only forms of thoughts exist ,matter doesn't , why a soul(higher form) decides to enter into a body which is a form existing at lower level ? Question by: Hamid Gul From PAKISTAN (KARACHI) On 10/05/2016
 
Is there any evidence in the concept of reincarnation from any sources of truth ? Question by: Hamid Gul From PAKISTAN (KARACHI) On 10/05/2016
 
Any update on the book ,(the truth about soum) please? thanks, Question by: kanju swat From UNITED KINGDOM (LONDON) On 18/05/2016
 
Sura 56 Aya 57 نَحْنُ خَلَقْنَاكُمْ فَلَوْلَا تُصَدِّقُونَ {57} Question by: Hamid Gul From PAKISTAN (KARACHI) On 21/05/2016
 
Eid-ul-Fitr, Any reference from Quran regarding celebration of Eid-ul-Fitr , kindly share to examine the matter in the light of Quran , as to when , why and how it should be celebrated Question by: Hamid Gul From PAKISTAN (KARACHI) On 03/07/2016
 
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