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4:23 and First Cousin Marriages.
Add Your Comments  Question by: DAMON On 28 August 2012
Comments by: Damon On 28 August 2012Report Abuse
Dear Dr Qamar Zaman Bhai and Moazzam, Bhai,  
How do you interpret/translate Quran Surah 4, ayat 23 and what are your respective views and beliefs concerning marriage between FIRST cousins??  
Looking forward to your responses.  

Comments by: Nargis On 28 August 2012Report Abuse

Dear Diamond, sorry I mean Damon, Its so nice to see you after so long, hope your doing well :D  
I have translated or tried to translate these verses from Dr Uncles Urdu translation , you can read through and help for a better translation in English please..yes I know I can' make mistakes, but hey, sometimes im just a immortal too, ermm I mean mortal hahaha  
Surah NISA is not about marriage.  
The basic thing one has to do is to have a look at the topic in the chapter, does surah NISA talk about Marriage or is it touching upon the relations and dealing with all the unsupported states and individuals?  
يُرِيدُ اللَّـهُ لِيُبَيِّنَ لَكُمْ وَيَهْدِيَكُمْ سُنَنَ الَّذِينَ مِن قَبْلِكُمْ وَيَتُوبَ عَلَيْكُمْ ۗ وَاللَّـهُ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ  
(He wants to make clear the command to you and to explain the procedures those before you that is directed to your attention. And he is well aware and knower  
Question is, are the marital issues of the nations before us that are the same? Was it normal to marry your sister daughter and mother in previous nations, that Allah needed to send a surah in order to prohibit it?- Was cousin marriage normal in our previous societies ? Is this the conduct the Quran try to explain under the above given ayah where it said it want to make us aware of our previous nations sunnah, habits and acts?  
Cousin marriages were never prohibited before, that the Quran had to step in and allow it now.  
Neither is it necessary to allow it in this era as it is proven to be harmful in many cases. Because research has shown that such marriages are causing disadvantages. How is it possible that the Quran allow cousin marriage which is proven to cause troubles by research?  
4: 3  
"And if you're afraid that your society is not doing justice to society orphans (left alone), then make arrangements with two or three or four of the parties of weak people, conferring to what is suitable for you. But if you feel you shall not be able to deal justly with them, and then keep only one or the party already under your agreement, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice."  
Basically, these orders are to resolve issues occurring after the fall of nations and states. One can translate it as one wants, but as long as the background is not taken into consideration; the real picture is not portrayed. This cannot be about marriage as it makes no sense. It cannot be taken as parties within a state either, because of the فَوَاحِدَةً (Then only one). Question is, which only one party is this about?  
One has to see the context, which is war, and in a situation of war, not only individuals are orphaned but societies, tribes or nations face hardship and troubles as well. Surah NISA is dealing with such situations and humans beings as well as nations that are orphaned as results of war damages.  
So those who have established peace, it is not lawful for you to forcibly inherit weaker states Nor should you forcibly take away parts of that which you have given to them, except that they have disobeyed any order from Mumliqate Elahya explicitly. Live with them under the commands of Mumliqate Elahya. If you don’t like them, it is possible that what you don’t like, Mumliqate Elahya have placed in it much good.  
But if you intend to replace a state by another, then even though you have given it loads of wealth earlier, take not the least bit of it back; would you manifest injustice take it back wrongfully without a right?  
These orders are being issued for those countries which are under domination or مسقوط state is given for the establishment of a system  
And how can you take it when both of you have benefitted from each other, they have made with you a firm covenant?  
Agreements with the states and countries your mentor states have made, you do not have agreements with them. However, what has happened in the past – Certainly this is undesirable disgrace against the commands, and the worse procedure  
مَّۃً ُا  
Is used for a nation as well as for an upright man 16:120  
As basis of a root ۔ الْكِتَابِ أُمُّ (basic roots of Al Kitab)  
هُوَ الَّذِي أَنزَلَ عَلَيْكَ الْكِتَابَ مِنْهُ آيَاتٌ مُّحْكَمَاتٌ هُنَّ أُمُّ الْكِتَابِ وَأُخَرُ مُتَشَابِهَاتٌ ۔۔۔۔ أُمُّ الْكِتَابِ  
And for a countries head quarter/ capital  
أُمَّ الْقُرَىٰ جیسے کہ اس آیت میں وَهَـٰذَا كِتَابٌ أَنزَلْنَاهُ مُبَارَكٌ مُّصَدِّقُ الَّذِي بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ وَلِتُنذِرَ أُمَّ الْقُرَىٰ وَمَنْ حَوْلَهَا  
You are not allowed to make agreements with the states or parties/groups that your basic nation have made an agreement with and every small or big state that is on the same wavelength and of one mind with the basic nation. Or states of dignified people, and states and subgroups that are under their supervision - and the basic groups that are under your training, and those groups that are trained with you, and subgroups of those groups that are under their supervision.  
And you cannot deal with these states that had under their supervision novice-groups that you caused trouble with in relation to commands/ laws. And if you were not causing any trouble there is no prohibition. And you are also allowed to make agreements with your abna Qawm that are your strength and potency. And it is also allowed to unite two similar parties  
Except the first has passed surely the Mumliqate Elahya provide rahmat and protection  
Also those parties that the parties under your custody have joined agreements with are prohibited for you to make an agreement with. However, except those who previously are already in agreement with you for any reason. This command is divine/ Elahya, which you must stand for. Except for these, it all is legal that you obtain it through your resources, under the condition that they are law abiding and not involved in bloodshed. When you have benefited from them, then give them the accolade as prescribed. However, there are no restrictions upon you, if you after the agreement, mutually decide to you have compromise of any kind. And Mumliqate Elahya possesses wisdom and knowledge. Allah knows, All-wise  
If any of you have not the means wherewith to make an agreement with groups from ahle aman that have already made agreements, then make agreement with the parties that are not fully formed and are under the custody of ahl amn. And Mumliqate Elahya is fully aware of your agreements. Ye are one from another. And make agreements with the not fully formed groups with the permission of their Ahl, and their accolade must be according to the laws of Mumliqat. The beginning parties must fulfill the commitment, neither should they initiate bloodshed with the enemy, nor should they befriend them. If they breach of the contract after the agreement, then their Azaab is half compared to the main established parties. This order is for the one among you who fear maltreatment and suffering. To live by the discipline is better for you. And Mumliqate Elahya رَّحِيمٌ غَفُورٌ

Comments by: dr shahid On 08 September 2012
what a diplomatic policy if some other person gives reference from science in order to strengthen his point of view then every member of astana started to talk that Quran does not talk about science and now what about this reference quoted by you.  
( Because research has shown that such marriages are causing disadvantages. How is it possible that the Quran allow cousin marriage which is proven to cause troubles by research? )

Comments by: Nargis On 09 September 2012Report Abuse

Yes, to use science in order to PROVE anything in the Quran, is different than referring to something independently from the verse chapter itself.  
researcher shown later that such marriages are causing disadvantages, but this point is not PROVING what the Quran is talking about. Even if the researchers shows us cousin marriage is good, the verse won't change.  
If we separate this line from the actual verse, then the verse will still not talk about marriages, no matter what the science is saying.  
The whole point is that science is not explaining the content of the Quran, nor is the content dependent on science in order to convey its message.  
Hope I made the point clear.

Comments by: dr shahid On 11 September 2012
if we the quranist claim that Quran does not come to earth in order to prove science rather it provides us and highlights the eternal principles on which the whole system of the universe is based on and almighty God wants us to adopt these eternal values(described in Quran) in dealing with other human beings so that no body gets hurt and every person will have to face the consequences of his deeds then we should stick firmly to this claim in our words as well as in our every act  
with regards  
dr shahid

Comments by: moazzam On 19 September 2012 Edit Delete
Respected Dr. Shahid! Your concern is quite genuine " also,Ms.Nargis reply is well explained.  
" Because research has shown that such marriages are causing disadvantages. How is it possible that the Quran allow cousin marriage which is proven to cause troubles by research? "  
The Aastana version about the said issue is that,EACH AND EVERY HARMFUL IS HARAM WHEREAS EACH AND EVERY BENEFICIAL TO MAN KIND IS HALAL, No doubt matter will be decided by the experts of their relevant field[ the scientists].  
The verse 4/23 in not describing the laws regarding marriage ,rather provides laws/parameters/values about the contract /bond with different state/sub-state, individual and group of people those newly came under the rule of Islamic state.

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