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Add Your Comments  Question by: KANASSER On 06 August 2013
Comments by: Damon On 06 August 2013Report Abuse
This Arif Zaman person is guilty of the same thing other critics are guilty of and that is he is PRETENDING that he is not AWARE of the TRADITIONAL TRANSLATIONS Dr. QZ is presenting and critiquing in his article on Saum. When I read that right there on page 1, I knew immediately that he is just another person who is defending his traditional belief (which ironically enough CANNOT be verified in The Quran) and lacks the intellectual honesty to question that traditional belief.  
A long 100 page refutation isn't needed. The traditional belief of Saum can be refuted through a few key points.  
1). 2/183 says engaging in Saum makes a person a Muttaqee. So here's the question: Why is it that the entire traditional Muslim world is a world of people who are NOT Muttaqeen? We can just examine the situation throughout The Muslim World and see that they are not a nation of Muttaqeen. They have been engaging in their ritual of fasting for thousands of years now and it still hasn't worked. That's enough time to see if fasting works or not to make a person a Muttaqee. So either The Quran LIED when it said one becomes a Muttaqee through Saum OR the traditional Muslims ARE NOT participating in the correct Saum that The Quran is talking about. Which one is it?  
2) 6/121 gives a negative imperative of "Laa Kuloo" which means "DO NOT EAT". Where is this command given anywhere in the verses ranging between 2/183 and 2/188? I realize that there are "Idiomatic" meanings to the words "kul" and "ashrab" and I believe it is idiomatic in 6/121, but my point is that if "kul" literally means "eat" in The Quran as the Traditional Muslims believe, then I have to ask WHY a clear command of "Don't Eat" is given in 6/121 which is a non Saum verse, but this command is not given in any of the Saum verses?  
3) If "kul" literally means eat and "ashrab" literally means drink then Traditional Muslims must explain 19/24-26 in which Maryam is told to eat and drink EVEN THOUGH she is observing Saum in 19/26 and 19/24 and 19/25 mention what The Traditional Muslims translate as being a source of water for her to drink and dates for her to eat. I have asked many Traditional Muslims to explain this and so far I have yet to receive an answer from any of them. Keep in mind that I am not saying that I am dissatisfied with the answers they gave, I am saying that none of them ATTEMPTED to answer this question for me. They have all chosen to ignore it and focus on something else.  
4) 2/187 mentions Al-Layl and Al-Fajr which are SPECIFIC and DEFINITE NOUNS due to the definite article. If these words really mean "Night" and "Sunrise" as the Traditional Muslims believe, then there should be no definite article since sunrise and night are an everyday occurrence which make them common and general which do not require or take on the definite article. Because both words are definite, it means they are each something specific instead of general and going by Arabic Grammar and using the logic of the Traditional Muslims Al-Layl and Al-Fajr would mean "The Night" and "The Dawn" respectively, BUT the definite article would make it to mean these words are referring to one specific night and one specific sunrise. But the Traditional Muslims do not say it is one specific night or one specific dawn/sunrise; they say it is every night and every dawn of an entire month which would create a grammatical and linguistic anomaly.  
5) If we are willing to be RATIONAL and HONEST with ourselves, we would realize that the phrase "Shahru Ramadan" does not mean "Month of Ramadan" in 2/185. First of all, 2/185 says "Faman Shahida Minkum Ash-Shahr Falyasumhu".....The traditional Muslims translate this to mean "Whoever among you WITNESSES the month, then he should fast THEREIN". This is completely incorrect. Please pay attention to the two words I had placed in ALL CAPS (witnesses and therein).  
First of all, how can someone "WITNESS" a month? Who WITNESSES a month? No One. A person is either alive when a certain month of the year comes around or they are not alive when it does come around. If they are alive, then they live through the month or live during the month. But no one witnesses a month. You cannot look at the sky or look outside and say "Hey, I think I see the month of July. There it is right there. Behind the bushes." The fact is Everyone knows what time of the year a certain month on the calendar comes and goes.  
Second of all, the traditional translations are deliberately misleading. They say "whoever witnesses the month, the he should fast in it or fast therein." The reason this is misleading is because the original Arabic says "FalyasumHU" which means restrain IT, not restrain IN IT or restrain THEREIN or restrain DURING IT. You must understand that The Arabic word Saum does not mean "fasting". It means to abstain, cease, stop, interrupt or restrain. That is what it means. Also, if this verse said restrain IN IT, then it should be "Falyasumo FEE HEE which would mean restrain IN IT. Or it should say "Falyasumu 'Alaiy Dhalika" for let him restrain during it.  
So the the Arabic word Saum means "hold back, interrupt, restrain" and Falyasumhu means restrain it, then the logical question to ask is how can someone restrain a month? A person cannot interrupt or restrain a month.  
These observations, along with the fact that there is nothing before Ibn Ishaq's biography of Prophet Muhammad or Islamic History from the perspective of The Abbasid conquerers and sympathizers proving that there was ever a month called Ramadan. All we have to go by is the information given by the Traditional Muslims and I for one do not see them as honest at all neither do I take their word at face value.  
Another thing we need to ask is what is so special or significant about ANY particular month of the year that The Quran would come down to human beings during that month? The phrase "Shahru Ramadan" would have to contain within its definition the purpose for The Quran which according to 2/185 is to provide guidance to human beings, explain what it is to be guided and serve as a criterion between correct and incorrect thinking and actions. The definition of a "month" does not fit this criteria at all.  
Also, the traditional Muslims may not realize it but I think they put themselves in a corner when they say there is a month called Ramadan. Everyone knows that the so-called month of Ramadan is a month according to the Islamic Calendar which is concocted to reflect the so-called Hijrah of the Prophet. But here's the jam that they put themselves in. On the one hand, they try to claim that this month was called Ramadan before the appearance of The Quran. But they ALSO claim that this month was ASSIGNED the name of Ramadan due to the extreme heat that this time of year is known for since Ramadan means "Extreme Heat" among other things.  
So my question is WHAT was this month called BEFORE it was "ASSIGNED" or "GIVEN" the name of Ramadan since it HAD TO BE GIVEN/ASSIGNED this name by someone in the first place. But they say that it was GIVEN this name due to it's extreme heat and because of this "Shahru Ramadan" means "Month of Intense Heat" and THIS is where they messed up because this description is an Idafa construct. It is in the Idafa construct in order to DESCRIBE this particular "Shahr". BUT....if Ramadan was ALWAYS the name of this month even before The Quran, the HOW IS IT that this month "magically" has a name that just so happens to fit a description that was assigned to it by the Arabs??????? And how is it that Ramadan is already it's name but placed in The Idafa construct to DESCRIBE its qualities???? I have yet to see any other Idafa construct (new or old) in which the second noun just so happens to "Always" be the name of the first noun of the construct and yet it is also the "Annexer" of the first noun as well. Some people misunderstand what I am pointing out when I say this and will show me something in William Wright's Grammar book showing examples such as "Madinatu Baghdad" meaning the city of Baghdad and "Toor Sineen" meaning Mount Sinai, but these phrases DO NOT fit the description of what I am talking about AT ALL!!! Please examine them carefully and look at what I have said above.  
Peace Be With You,  

Comments by: Nargis On 08 August 2013Report Abuse
This person never answered any questions. He said Maryam is a hermaphrodite who got pregnant by herself....  
and when someone says I wrote a critique on haqiqate soum, people go crazy waaow waaoww,, I wonder if they really read the book and the critique carefully..  
Arif Zaman said on page 4  
:- Ironically even he admits that the word  
means to count on page 15He says:  
“Generally, Arabic word “Eiddah” means to count. But it also means to be prepared”  
On page 30, he adds another word:  
“The root of word is made of Arabic letters Ayn, Daal, Daal, which means amount or quantity as well as toprepare.”  
He definitely needs to make up his mindAnd besides pls note that he provides another meaning of  
iddah = BE PREPARED  
what did he mean with " he ADMITS eddah means count" ? When it is said a derivation doesn't fit in the context, it doesn't mean one is denying that the derivation exist :/  
Now he says the word prepared is given without Quran cross references. Everyone is made aware of the fact that Aastana won't spoonfeed. When I first read HS, I checked out all the words myself. Everyone is encouraged to do that, nobody is forced to blindly accept anything.  
See even the traditional translation says iddah is prepare at MANY PLACES  
Did he really discard the argument of preparing because this link is not given in Haqiqate Soum? come on  
People would do anything for 15 minutes of fame....  
Thank you Damon :D

Comments by: Damon On 09 August 2013Report Abuse
NARGIS SAID: "When I first read HS, I checked out all the words myself. Everyone is encouraged to do that, nobody is forced to blindly accept anything."  
DAMON: EXACTLY!!!!!! This is EXACTLY what I have done with everything I've read by Dr. Qamar. This is my normal study habit in general no matter what book, article or author I am reading. That is ALWAYS our RESPONSIBILITY no matter what. All he has to do is verify any definition of any word through The Arabic Dictionaries he has access to. Problem Solved. But that would quickly put an end to his excuses for rejecting and/or not understanding the information in the article.  
I agree with you with the 15 minutes of fame bit and he should be embarrassed to tell people he thinks Maryam was a hermaphrodite. I think that's worse than what Sir Syed Ahmed Khan believed which is she got impregnated through a sperm infested hot-spring.  
I have noticed in my brief exchanges and debates with this person that he not only likes to be spoon fed, but I have come to realize that his mission when debating others is to get them to bend to his will and jump through hoops for him. I guess this is a shield to hide his inadequacies, which does not hide them at all to me; they only expose him even more.

Comments by: jamal ahmed On 13 August 2013 Edit DeleteReport Abuse
Mary was in labour:-  
19:23 And when labor pains drove her to the trunk of a palm-tree, she exclaimed, “Ah, I wish I had died before this, and had become a thing forgotten, utterly forgotten!”  
19:24 A voice came to her from beneath the palm-tree, “Grieve not! Your Lord has provided a stream beneath you."  
19:25 "And shake the trunk of the palm-tree towards you. It will drop fresh ripe dates upon you."  
She was told to refresh herself by eating dates:-  
19:26 "Eat then and drink, and let your eyes be gladdened! And if you see any human being, convey this to him, „Indeed, I have made a vow of silence for the Beneficent. So, I may not speak to any person today.”  
She was told to do Saum, which has the meaning of abstaining from something. What did she abstain from? The answer comes at a latter time in the form of:-  
19:27 Later, she returned to her people carrying the child with her. They said, "O Mary! You have come with an amazing thing (breaking the rules of the shrine).”  
19:28 “O Sister of Aaron! Your father was not a bad man, nor was your mother a loose woman, nor did she ever oppose the system."  
19:29 Then she pointed to him. They said, "How can we talk to one who is in the cradle, a young boy?"  
19:30 But he spoke up, "Indeed, I am a servant of God. He has given me revelation and appointed me a Prophet.”  
By pointing to Jesus who by then was a mature young man, she avoided/abstained from arguing with them over why she had left the Temple to marry and have a child. When she had come across people whom she had known while Jesus was growing up, she would avoid discussing with them what she had done and left it until Jesus revealed himself to be a Divine Messenger.  
I have read all the posts on saum and I can see where they are coming from, but I think I can still get a logical understanding of the verses you quoted as well.  
Any thoughts, Damon Bhai.  

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First of all mind blowing stuff on this website!!! But its too confusing... spesially when i watch following video, and read too Qamar sahabs explainations!! Question by: confused On 16/08/2010
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Dr Shabbirs objections on Soum : Question by: bob From UNITED KINGDOM On 01/09/2010
Salaam dear all, .....Allahs commands should be practical througout the whole planet,every area of the planet.and it should not be subjected to time or space. Question by: bob From UNITED KINGDOM On 18/09/2010
Salaam,There is a discussion going on elsewhere (about nisaa/Qoum), however, I thought it would be a beneficial to keep you all updated! Question by: bob From UNITED KINGDOM On 21/09/2010
Dr Qamar Zaman sahib keya aap say kisi aalam maslan Tahirul qadri, Javed ghamdi jasay scholars nay bhi koi questions kie hn ya nahi haqeeqat e soam se related? Question by: adil From PAKISTAN On 08/08/2011
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Ayyaamun ma'ududath=prepared stages(periods) not just certain days. An evil cannot be eliminated within days. If we meet an evil in the society, first we have study who propagates this crime, and against whom. Then we have to plan the solution . Question by: alikalliyath From INDIA (CALICUT) On 28/07/2012
The different stages of preparation to eleminate any crime or evil thing is mentioned as AYYAMAN MA'UDUDATH in 2:183. Am I right? kindly clear my opinion. Question by: alikalliyath From INDIA (CALICUT) On 28/07/2012
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Aoa, dear sir I went through your book and found it ineffable. However concept of days allocated for reform of society seems impractical, in my view since ayyam not only means days but also stages, it is actually stages of reform upon which your book Question by: Abdul Hadi Saqib From PAKISTAN (LAHORE) On 13/09/2014
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