TOPIC: Quran >> Translations
Q.Dear Sir,  
Please explain 30/2-3-4 & 9/118 . Are these historical events? & should we be familiar with history to understand Quran ?.
By: M Aslam On: 11/26/2011

1.Brother M. Aslam!  
SAY NO TO HISTORY/HADITH TO UNDERSTAND THE QURAN, AS QURAN EXPLAINS IT SELF.  
Go through Surah taoba, three types of people have been emphasized in this sura, read the verses 90-118, and focus on verses 90-106.  
1) The extremist hypocrites been described in verse # 98,101 وَمِنَ الأَعْرَابِ مَن يَتَّخِذُ مَا يُنفِقُ مَغْرَمًا وَيَتَرَبَّصُ بِكُمُ الدَّوَائِرَ عَلَيْهِمْ دَآئِرَةُ السَّوْءِ وَاللّهُ سَمِيعٌ عَلِيمٌ And among the “A’ARAAB” are some who consider what they spend as a loss and await for you turns of misfortune. Upon them will be a misfortune of evil. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.  
 
101وَمِمَّنْ حَوْلَكُم مِّنَ الْأَعْرَابِ مُنَافِقُونَ وَمِنْ أَهْلِ الْمَدِينَةِ مَرَدُواْ عَلَى النِّفَاقِ لاَ تَعْلَمُهُمْ نَحْنُ نَعْلَمُهُمْ سَنُعَذِّبُهُم مَّرَّتَيْنِ ثُمَّ يُرَدُّونَ إِلَى عَذَابٍ عَظِيمٍAnd among those around you of the “A;ARAAB” are hypocrites, and [also] from the people of Madinah. They have become accustomed to hypocrisy. You, do not know them, [but] We know them. We will punish them twice, then they will be returned to a great punishment  
 
2) the most loyal “Mujahideen” has been described in verse # 99 وَمِنَ الأَعْرَابِ مَن يُؤْمِنُ بِاللّهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الْآخِرِ وَيَتَّخِذُ مَا يُنفِقُ قُرُبَاتٍ عِندَ اللّهِ وَصَلَوَاتِ الرَّسُولِ أَلاَ إِنَّهَا قُرْبَةٌ لَّهُمْ سَيُدْخِلُهُمُ اللّهُ فِي رَحْمَتِهِ إِنَّ اللّهَ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ  
But among the “A’ARAAB” are some who are peace providers with Allah’s commandments and the “yaum al-akhirah and consider what they spend as means of nearness to Allah and of [obtaining] invocations of the Messenger. Unquestionably, it is a means of nearness for them. Allah will admit them to His mercy. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.  
3) the people in between described in verse 102 وَآخَرُونَ اعْتَرَفُواْ بِذُنُوبِهِمْ خَلَطُواْ عَمَلاً صَالِحًا وَآخَرَ سَيِّئًا عَسَى اللّهُ أَن يَتُوبَ عَلَيْهِمْ إِنَّ اللّهَ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ  
And [there are] others who have acknowledged their sins. They had mixed a righteous deed with another that was bad. Perhaps Allah will turn to them in forgiveness. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.  
CONCLUSION: The people addressed in verse 118 are among the 3rd type which has been described in verse #102.  
As far as verses 30/1-4 are concerns read the following.Remember Al-Quran never speaks about particular names place ,sects,nations/tribes and time, as it is beyond time and space. All the so called names are infect “ATTRIBUTE”.  
Al-masr, Al-badr, Bacca, Masjid e Aqsa, Madina, Bahrain, Babil, Rabwa, Al-Room etc are attribute., Read the “surah al-room” care fully,it is evident from verse # 4 that, there is glad tiding for Momineen, so AL-ROOM= JAMA’AT AL-MOMINEEN.  
 
 
Comments by: moazzam On: 11/27/2011

 
2.Thank you Sir , Very nicely you have explained 9/118 . Please quote the reference from Lexicon about , " AL-ROOM= JAMA’AT AL-MOMINEEN. "
Comments by: M Aslam On: 11/27/2011

 
3.Dear M Aslam!  
رُّومُ = Endeavored, followed by, some one who desired to do one thing after other.  
الرُّومُ(Alroom ) = the term especially used for “JAMA’AT ALMOMINEEM”who in the preliminary stage/phase of struggle always seem in depression, but always be in the succeeded mode in turn.  
The verses 5-16 are clearly supporting the above inference.  
Comments by: moazzam On: 11/27/2011

 
4.

I'm in a state of depression, after having debates with all the Quranists nd sectarians,,i...They all follow a little history here and a little history there..  
 
And the truth is they are doing the same thing as other sect junkeys, pick and chose what ever they like and make sense to them, and still tell people they follow the Quran only...  
 
Why would the Quran talk about any topic it cannot provide details for , just so we would always be needing history and other abra cadabra hokus pocus ? How many books of medicine law science etc are not incomplete and waiting for someone to come write the missing information after 300 years?  
 
Why don't they understand this?

Comments by: Nargis2 On: 11/28/2011

 
5.Nargis ! I appreciate your thoughts.
Comments by: M Aslam On: 11/28/2011

 
6.NARGIS and MOAZZAM,  
CC THEIR SUPPORTERS.  
 
Well, abra cadadbra and shabam shazam! Check this out.  
 
***MOAZZAM: Brother M. Aslam! SAY NO TO HISTORY/HADITH TO UNDERSTAND THE QURAN, AS QURAN EXPLAINS IT SELF.***  
 
***NARGIS: Brother Moazzam, now he will attack us with Torah or Bible to prove his superstitious conjectures and claims.***  
 
***NARGIS: Why would the Quran talk about any topic it cannot provide details for , just so we would always be needing history and other abra cadabra hokus pocus ? How many books of medicine law science etc are not incomplete and waiting for someone to come write the missing information after 300 years?***  
 
Remember this conversation:  
 
***NARGIS:In fact, its easier --> Anyone who want us to GO OUTSIDE OF THE QURAN to prove something for  
them, is not a student of the Quran, thus we cannot help him.***  
 
Then you contradicted yourself with your follow-up assertion:  
 
***MOAZZAM: please re-read my above written statement, IT CONCLUDES THAT, THE TRUTH (HAQQ) IS ALWAYS CORRECT NO MATTER WHO IS SPEAKING. REMEMBER THE HAQQ IS DIVINE, THE ALQURAN IS ALSO BEEN PRESERVED IN LOH E MAHFOOZ(THE UNIVERSE). I didn't recognize ALL the material written in books(other than quran) is correct.***  
 
***NARGIS: Xactly, join hands with the truth WHEREVER YOU FIND IT.( My caps) My brother Moazzam said that (ALQURAN = The true divine message comprehended through Tasreef Alayaat + by observing context of the verses + by observing grammatical rules + appropriate selection of meanings from lexicon + keeping in view the core message of ALquran. LAWS OF NATURE /UNIVERSAL VALUES = All the scattered universal truth whether in CHURCH + MANDIR + GORDWARA + IMAM BARGAH + MASQUE OF ANY SECT+ UNDHR + CDHR +OIC + UN + HADITH + BIBLE + archeology etc)***  
 
Hmmm...what is that right there?? +BIBLE??, The BIBLE was fine back on 9/29/11, but now it's not.  
 
Gotcha...again! :D LOL! Nargis, you and Moazzam, unfortunately, are so confused that you can no longer remember what you state from one post to the next! You two have no credibility.  
 
Dhulqarnain-
Comments by: DHULQARNAIN On: 11/28/2011

 
7.

i have asked you for proofs, but you have not provided anything..and now when you have started to quote the Bible, there is no point in discussing with you . Because I know mullahs only provide mullshit haha  
 
and you really need to read with the intention to learn something,,oops no thats too much to ask for from you...i mean try to read in order to UNDERSTAND,,,, before you quote us and make a fool of urself..oh well, your biblical quotes are enough for that :-D loolz  
 
and take back your Christian name, it suits your thoughts...have you heard this song:- You areeee madee for eaaach other :-D

Comments by: Nargis2 On: 11/28/2011

 
8.***i have asked you for proofs, but you have not provided anything..and now when you have started to quote the Bible, there is no point in discussing with you . Because I know mullahs only provide mullshit haha***  
 
I’ve given you outstanding proof, but, just as with the contradiction I caught you in, again, you have no regard for it. You just continue to run amok in your denial asking for proof you reject. You remind of the Ritualist Muslsims who ask Allah over and over and over again in their "salat" for guidance. They never think to just read The Guidance called Al-Quran!  
 
***STATEMENT A ***NARGIS: Brother Moazzam, now he will attack us with Torah or Bible to prove his superstitious conjectures and claims….Why would the Quran talk about any topic it cannot provide details for , just so we would always be needing history and other abra cadabra hokus pocus ? In fact, its easier --> Anyone who want us to GO OUTSIDE OF THE QURAN to prove something for them, is not a student of the Quran, thus we cannot help him.***  
 
Then, as is your custom to do, you contradicted yourself!  
 
***STATEMENT B ***NARGIS: Xactly, join hands with the truth WHEREVER YOU FIND IT.( My caps) My brother Moazzam said that (ALQURAN = The true divine message comprehended through Tasreef Alayaat + by OBSERVING context of THE VERSES + by observing grammatical rules + appropriate selection of meanings from lexicon + keeping in view the core message of ALquran. LAWS OF NATURE /UNIVERSAL VALUES = All the scattered universal truth whether in CHURCH + MANDIR + GORDWARA + IMAM BARGAH + MASQUE OF ANY SECT+ UNDHR + CDHR +OIC + UN + HADITH + BIBLE + archeology etc)***  
 
***NARGIS: before you quote us and make a fool of urself..oh well, your biblical quotes are enough for that :-D***  
 
***NARGIS: Xactly, join hands with the truth WHEREVER YOU FIND IT. LAWS OF NATURE /UNIVERSAL VALUES = All the scattered universal truth whether in CHURCH + ... BIBLE..***  
 
Ba ha ha ha LOL !! before I quote you and make a fool of myself! LOLx10!!. I’m having such a difficulty stopping laughing right now, you just don’t know. Thank you so much for the much needed belly laugh and comedy relief! :D I have never known anyone before who is so entirely and completely oblivious to themselves as you! And what just SO fascinating is...you just don't give care! LOL  
 
Oooh, boy, anyway, listen, just for the heck of it, can you tell us how you reconcile your glaringly obvious contradictory statements A and B? Also, again, just for the heck of it, can you name five male authoritative people/angels and five female authoritative people/angels in society today? I’m still waiting for you to name one of the ongoing sooo many continuing prophets! Is that forthcoming. LOL!  
 
You know what I find really interesting though?...you have no sense of embarrassment at all.  
 
Anyway thanks for the laughs; get back to me, thanks.  
 
Dhulqarnain-  
 
Comments by: DHULQARNAIN On: 11/28/2011

 
9.Dear Moazzam. Thank you once again for a very good explanation.  
 
Would you also shed some light on if words Rom and Mariam has the same root?  
 
Thanks. :)
Comments by: Dr Shiraz On: 11/28/2011

 
10.PEACE MOAZZAM, NARGIS (or ANYONE ELSE),  
 
Looking forward to your explanation regarding 8:20 as it relates to 42:51 and 81:21. You have not addressed this issue yet, thanks.  
 
Who is the Messenger that "Muhammad" had to obey?  
 
Dhulqarnain-
Comments by: DHULQARNAIN On: 11/28/2011

 
11.Sis, therefore I have saying all along, first we need to understand Quran only and only via it's language. Once we accomplish this task only then we need to consider, if any other explanation/source would needed. In my humble opinion “None Nada”. Not even a verse from Quran itself. But for now, "Hunooz Dehli Door Ust".  
 
Badar  
Comments by: bkanwar2 On: 11/28/2011

 
12.

Thank you brother Badar, that's exactly my point, the Quran must be understood only via its own language. Thats what Dr uncle and Brother Moazzam is doing, they study the Quran purely through its own language/grammar- If we had to find its "missing" messages through the Bible Torah or history ahadiths, then the book would be incomplete. Words are used to convey a message, that's why the words must be understood in order to grasp the message behind them..

Comments by: Nargis2 On: 11/29/2011

 
13.

But brother, what about the words AL RIJAL , you translated to one legged God if im not mistaken...What if all the history disappear and all the information about the one legged god and his servants disappear, how would the quran be beyond time and space and how would its claim be proven through itself?

Comments by: Nargis2 On: 11/29/2011

 
14.Dr. Shiraz!  
Sure “MARYAM” and “AL-ROOM” are not proper noun rather the attributes of the group of people.  
“MARYAM” who left their place (became a separate group/community) to be enlightened with divine teachings,(makanon sharqiya). To know the sense of SHARQIYA see the verse39/69وَأَشْرَقَتِ الْأَرْضُ بِنُورِ رَبِّهَا وَوُضِعَ الْكِتَابُ وَجِيءَ بِالنَّبِيِّينَ وَالشُّهَدَاءِ وَقُضِيَ بَيْنَهُم بِالْحَقِّ وَهُمْ لَا يُظْلَمُونَ  
Translation : Yousuf AliAnd the Earth will shine with the Glory of its Lord: the Record (of Deeds) will be placed (open); the prophets and the witnesses will be brought forward and a just decision pronounced between them; and they will not be wronged (in the least).  
The root letter is REEM (ra,ya,meem) which mean departed one (who left the place).  
The second portion of the verse 19/16 and the first part of verse 19/17 itself elaborate the sense of MARYAM..  
Whereas رُّومُ = Endeavored, followed by, some one who desired to do one thing after other.  
الرُّومُ(Alroom ) = the term especially used for “JAMA’AT ALMOMINEEN" who in the preliminary stage/phase of struggle always seem in depression, but always be in the succeeded mode in turn.  
The verses 5-16 are clearly supporting the above inference.  
Comments by: moazzam On: 11/29/2011

 
15.Thanks alot Moazzam. I appreciate.
Comments by: Dr Shiraz On: 11/29/2011

 
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