TOPIC: Quran >> Un-Quranic Beliefs
Q.Aastana Teem! The ZAM ZAM, is the hygienic mineral water.Is it a water pocket under the Makkah valley or some sort of water supplied by the saudi regime? Is there any religious link between the GANGA and ZAMZAM.
By: naeem sheikh On: 12/28/2010

1.Dear brother Na'eem if you do not mind i would like to say something.All the water whether Ganga,Gamna or Zamzam are nothing but H2O (made of hydrogen and oxygen).There is no connection of Zamzam and islam.
Comments by: bilal_khan5181 On: 12/28/2010

2.Dear Bilal! What about 1st part of my question? There is in-ground salty water all around the said valley, so there should be the limited plain water pocket(H2O) it should not be everlasting. What will Muslim do with ZAM ZAM if it would end? The government must arrange the geological survey to find out the exact quantity, to make a better ( future water distribution) plan OR there is any other secret being played by the government??
Comments by: naeem sheikh On: 12/28/2010

In Anglicanism, Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy and some other Churches, holy water is water which has been sanctified by a priest or bishop for the purpose of baptism and the blessing of persons, places, and objects. Holy water is used in Christian baptism ceremonies across the world  
*Water feature in Buddhist funerals where water is poured into a bowl placed before the monks and the dead body. As it fills and pours over the edge, the monks recite "As the rains fill the rivers and overflow into the ocean, so likewise may what is given here reach the departed."  
*To Hindus all water is sacred, especially rivers, and there are seven sacred rivers, namely the Ganges, Yamuna, Godavari, Sarasvati, Narmada, Sindhu and Kaveri. Although Hinduism encompasses so many different beliefs among those that most Hindus do share is the importance of striving to attain purity and avoiding pollution. This relates to both physical cleanliness and spiritual well-being.  
Pilgrimage is very important to Hindus. Holy places are usually located on the banks of rivers, coasts, seashores and mountains. Sites of convergence, between land and river or two, or even better three, rivers, carry special significance and are specially sacred. Sacred rivers are thought to be a great equalizer. In the Ganges the pure are made even more pure and the impure have their pollution removed if only temporarily. In the sacred water distinctions of caste are supposed to count for nothing, as all sins fall away. Kumbhamela is a pilgrimage of Hindu devotees and is held every three years at four different places in turn - Hardwar, Nasik, Prayaga and Ujjain. These places are believed to be where drops of amrta - the nectar of immortality - fell to earth during a heavenly conflict.  
The Ganges river is the most important of the sacred rivers. Its waters are used in puja (worship) and if possible a sip is given to the dying. It is believed that those who bathe in the Ganges and those who leave some part of themselves (hair, bone etc) on the left bank will attain Svarga (the paradise of Indra). The river is said to flow from the toe of Vishnu to be spread into the world through the hair of Shiva.  
In Judaism ritual washing is intended to restore or maintain a state of ritual purity and its origins can be found in the Torah. These ablutions can be washing the hands, the hands and the feet, or total immersion which must done in 'living water', i.e. the sea, a river, a spring or in a mikveh. In Temple times ablutions were practised by priests, converts to Judaism as part of the initiation rites and by women on the seventh day after their menstrual period. Priests had to wash their hands and feet before taking part in Temple services. The ritual washing of hands is performed before and after meals and on many other occasions.  
The story of the Great Flood is told in Genesis 6-8. God destroyed humanity by sending a great flood. Only Noah and his family and a pair of each animal were saved in the ark built by Noah. Afterwards God promised he would never attempt to destroy the earth again and sent the rainbow as a sign of this covenant. The story of a Great Flood is also found in other cultures such as the Australian Aborigines and some Pacific Islanders. The Israelites' story is different to these because it emphasises the ethical demands of God. The flood is a divine punishment from which Noah survives because of his moral worthiness. The Flood washed away all the sins of the world so that we could start afresh. This is echoed in Christianity by the death and resurrection of Christ that eradicates sin so that nothing will stand in the way of man and God.  
The Red Sea is significant in Jewish history because its parting by Moses was a miraculous event at the beginning of the Exodus which enabled the Israelites to escape from the Egyptian army that was chasing them. God allowed Moses to part the sea so that the Israelites could walk safely to the other side on dry land, while the Egyptians drowned as the sea came together again. This miracle was a reward for the faith of Moses and the Israelites, God's Chosen People. The parting and crossing of the Red Sea shows that God has power over nature, even the mighty oceans. Water here is powerful, but an instrument of God for punishment (for the Egyptians) and blessing (for the Israelites).  
A mikveh is a Jewish ritual bath used for cleansing after contact with a dead body or after menstruation. It can also be used used for immersing vessels and as part of the initiation ceremony for converts. Only water that has not previously been drawn into a container can be used, and there must be no leakages. The mikveh has its origins in Ancient times when people had to be purified in a mikveh before they could enter the Temple area. Water in this case is important for its cleansing properties.  
Shinto is Japan's indigenous religion and is based on the veneration of the kami - the innumerable deities believed to inhabit mountains, trees, rocks, springs and other natural phenomenon. Worship of kamis, whether public or private, always begins with the all important act of purification with water. Inside the many sacred shrines troughs for ritual washing are placed. Waterfalls are held sacred and standing under them is believed to purify. Waterfalls are also used in suigyo (water austerities).  
The significance of water in Zoroastrianism is a combination of its purifying properties and its importance as a fundamental life element. Therefore, while water is used in purification rites and rituals it is sacred itself and so must be kept from being polluted.  
Zoroastrianism is a very dualistic creed with a great emphasis placed on the opposing forces of good and evil. When the world was created the Evil Spirit Angra Mainyu attacked the earth and among other things made pure water salty. Zoroastrians believe that pollution is evil and that water, when pure, is sacred. Zoroastrians themselves must avoid pollution of any kind and must perform ritual ablutions before saying their prayers (which are said 5 times a day facing a source of light) and before any religious ceremonies such as weddings.  
Purity and pollution are central concerns in Zoroastrian thought and practice. For minor pollutions, padyab-kusti is performed, which involves washing and saying special prayers (kusti). On special occasions such as weddings or initiations, nahn is performed which combines padyab-kusti with the symbolic eating of a pomegranate leaf and the drinking of nirang (ritual cow's urine) for spiritual cleansing. This is followed by the prayer of repentance, the Patet, and finally a bath. Serious pollution, for example contact with a corpse, requires the nine day baresnum ceremony which is held in the temple precincts and includes periods of prayer and washing with the aid of priests.  
The sanctity of water is very important to Zoroastrians. People must not urinate, spit or wash one's hands in a river or allow anyone else to. In Zoroastrianism the dead are not cremated, buried or immersed in water because fire, earth and water must be kept pure. Thus, corpses are left to birds of prey.  
Zoroastrians believe in 6 benevolent divine beings known as Amesha Spentas, which with God's Holy Spirit, Spenta Mainyu are linked with God's (Ahura Mazda's) creation, certain priestly rituals, observances by laypeople and the seven holy days of obligation. The Amesha Spentas are believed to dwell within each of their creations while at the same time remaining aspects of God's nature. Each Amesha Spenta protects its creation and represents an aspect of Ahura Mazda and a feature of the good creation. These creations are the means by which worshippers can approach Ahura Mazda and by which Ahura Mazda can approach his worshippers. Haurvatat (meaning wholeness, health and integrity) is a feminine being and the creator of water and is represented by consecrated water used in priestly acts of worship. The holy day of Haurvatat and water is in midsummer and people pray and make offerings by the seashore or any natural water. In everyday life Haurvatat is observed by keeping water unpolluted and being temperate and self-disciplined. Haurvatat is the personification of what salvation means to the individual.  
Zoroastrianism also has a Great Flood story. Ahura Mazda warned Yima that destruction in the form of floods, subsequent to the melting of the snow, was threatening the sinful world and gave him instructions for building a vara in which specimens of small and large cattle, humans, dogs, birds, fires, plants and foods were to be deposited in pairs.  
Paula Abrams  
Funny thing is, water is giving life in every corner of the world, why is it "holy" only at "holy" places?  
Comments by: Nargis2 On: 12/28/2010

4.Sister Nargis ! Thanks to reply with a bit showing scholarly reflection. Your comments assured me, that, you-like people seems very much impressed with the propaganda of “ SO CALLED QURANISTS” that Zamzam water is not a divine gift to humanity rather is a normal water, why is it "holy" only at "holy" places? I think, that, this is just a form of prejudice against the real Muslims who believe that “Bibi Hajra searched desperately for water in the hills of Saffa and Marwa to give to her newly born son Hazrat Ismail . As she ran from one place to another in search of water, her child rubbed his feet against the sand. A pool of water surfaced, and by the grace of Allah shaped itself into a well which came to be called Zamzam water.” Your inference is based on the assumption that since the Ka'aba was a shallow place (below sea level) and located in the center of the city of Makk,  
so geologically there should be the water pocket with huge stock as accumulated since millions years back.  
Let me sum up some of the features of Zamzam water:  
The difference between Zamzam water and other water (city water) was in the quantity of calcium and magnesium salts. The content of these was slightly higher in Zamzam water. This may be why this water refreshes tired hajis.  
More significantly, the water contains fluorides that have an effective germicidal action.  
Never Dried Up:This well has never dried up. On the contrary it has always fulfilled the demand for water.  
Same Salt composition:It has always maintained the same salt composition and taste ever since it came into existence.  
Portability:Its portability has always been universally recognized as pilgrims from all over the world visit Ka'aba every year for Hajj and umrah, but have never omplained about it. Instead, they have always enjoyed the water that refreshes them.  
Universal taste: Water tastes different at different places. Zamzam water's appeal has always been universal.  
No Biological Growth: This water has never been chemically treated or chlorinated as is the case with water pumped into the cities. Biological growth and vegetation usually takes place in most wells. This makes the water unpalatable owing to the growth of algae causing taste and odor problems. But in the case of the Zamzam water well, there wasn't any sign of biological growth.  
Comments by: naeem sheikh On: 12/29/2010

5.FLUORIDE is a poison that is the killer of a particular human mental faculty, and is being distributed criminally among human beings through toothpastes and medicines. So its presence in ZAMZAM Water is not a blessing but a menace.  
CALCIUM & magnesium laced mineral water, often that in natural mountainous outlets, is not healthy at all. It corrodes your digestive mechanism and infiltrates into your kidneys causing their ultimate failure.  
Let us stop looking for our salvation through self-constructed "miracles" like ZAMZAM. Leaving MAKKAH aside, the whole Arabian Peninsula Kingdoms are using desalinated water from the sea for all their needs. It's not only plentiful but an unending source.  
All bogus here-say from Rivayaat ! Isn't it?
Comments by: aurangzaib On: 12/29/2010

6.Dear Aurangzaib !You claimed that “The battle is not between Religions, or between Religionists and Secularists. It is a timeless battle between the Powerful and the Weak, between the Evil and the Good.  
All bogus here-say from Rivayaat ! Isn't it? “  
My dear i didn't ask about the validation of the story rather asking about the zamzam water analysis.
Comments by: naeem sheikh On: 12/30/2010

7.An Article by sisiter Saleha,  
ZamZam Reality  
God Almighty does not spare a single word in the Quran on the Zamzam Well or its water! The Zamzam Well is like any other wells created by God, which may get dry and may get contaminated if not maintained properly!  
[31:20] Do you not see that GOD has committed in your service everything in the heavens and the earth, and has showered you with His blessings - obvious and hidden? Yet, some people argue about GOD without knowledge, without guidance, and without the enlightening scripture.  
According to Arab historians, the Zamzam Well, except for a few periods when it became dry or was buried under sand, has been in use for around 4000 years.  
[67:30] Say, "What if your water sinks away, who will provide you with pure water?"  
The Zamzam Studies and Research Center was created by the Saudi Geological Survey (SGS) to secure the supply, in terms of quality and quantity, of Zamzam water. As a result, the Center has set up a series of investigative projects to define, quantify, and monitor the water source, and provide the information needed to manage and sustain supplies in the face of increasing demand by residents and pilgrims.  
[54:49] Everything we created is precisely measured.  
In order to manage demand, water from the Zamzam Well is pumped, treated and stored in underground storage tanks on a continuous basis at the moment. Before distribution among consumers and transportation to Madinah, Zam Zam water is also treated by a series of sand filters, micro filters and ultraviolet disinfection.  
Many pilgrims claim all kinds of blessings and cure by Zamzam water! We need to acknowledge that all the qualities of cure and blessings are due to God Almighty, not to Zamzam water. To consider Zamzam water is blessed water is Satanic. Similarly, to consider black stone is blessed is also Satanic. Satan always diverts our attention from God to His powerless creations, and makes us idolworshipers of powerless objects or personalities!  
[26:77] "I am against them, for I am devoted only to the Lord of the universe.  
[26:78] "The One who created me, and guided me.  
[26:79] "The One who feeds me and waters me.  
[26:80] "And when I get sick, He heals me.  
[26:81] "The One who puts me to death, then brings me back to life.  
[26:82] "The One who hopefully will forgive my sins on the Day of Judgment.  
[26:83] "My Lord, grant me wisdom, and include me with the righteous.  
Comments by: UmeAimon On: 12/30/2010

8.Great help by Sis UmeAimon,  
I am ever grateful. The air of "ZAMZAM MIRACLE" totally leaked out.  
Brother Naeem,  
About the last line of your comment:  
"My dear i didn't ask about the validation of the story rather asking about the zamzam water analysis"  
Excuse me? Didn't I already reply to your question, Brother ? Kindly go through the above reply again.  
Then please also deliberate upon Sis Ume Aimon's comprehensive clarification that really is an eye opener.  
About the other question you raised: Brother, when I criticize the Fantasy of Rivayaat, I, very humbly, do not ignite a new battle. it still is the battle of Good versus Evil to which I referred. All Rivayaati crap has been the doing of the Powerful Evil Forces, against the Quranic Guidance. When we condemn that, we are fighting on the part of the Weak Good. We fight with the power of Quran.  
I hope it clarifies the issue. Thanks.
Comments by: aurangzaib On: 12/30/2010

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