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Q.Moazzam saheb and Aastana Members! Your teachings reflects that there is no any predestined event being played at earth.  
What about the historical steps been described in Quran about prophet Musa and Yousaf see verses 12/4-5, 28/5-7??
By: Mujeeb On: 4/6/2011

1.Salam  
 
Nothing is predestined in this world, we dont But Allah Says in His Book. What I want you to go through these verses which is mentioned please go through you will come to know.  
 
The human privilege of ‘freedom of choice’ has been previously dealt with in detail. Nonetheless, it is important to have a special brief recap of the Quran’s stance on (mis) Guidance:  
 
One of the basic principles of the Quranic system is: “there is no compulsion in the matter of ‘ad-Deen’ (adopting a philosophy of life) as guidance has been shown very clearly apart from mis-guidance. So, whoever rejects all else, and accepts Allah’s way, will be adhering to a strong support which will never fail him …….” (2/256).  
 
Man’s freedom of choice is not curbed even by Allah himself. The Messenger used to worry about the future of the people and anxiously wanted them to accept. He was told by Allah that He would have created Man bound to natural law like the rest of the universe. But, it was not His plan (مشيئة). So, people cannot be forced into conviction. It is entirely upto them to accept or reject the Message (10/99). “Tell them that your Preserver has sent down the Truth to you. Whoever chooses the right path, shall benefit; whoever chooses the wrong path, shall bear its consequences. You have not been appointed a foreman over them to force them into submission!” (10/108). Every convinced person (مؤمن) should be aware of this fact (that Allah would have created men to willy-nilly follow His path of if it was His plan (مشيئة) – (11/118; 13/31; 16/9; 16/93; 32/13; 42/13). Even the Messenger’s genuine desire for someone to accept the Message doesn’t change the principle of free choice --- (28/56). Allah has given Man free will. Therefore, the Messenger should deliver the Message to people and say: “Whoever so wishes, accept; whoever so wishes, reject” – (18/29). “We created Man, gave him listening and sight, and showed him the way. Now, it is upto men to accept or reject it” – (76/3). “The Quran is a reminder. So, whoever wishes to, may recall (the Truth through it)” – (80/11-12). “We have showed him both the (good and bad) ways. So, whoever so wishes, should take his Preserver’s way” – (73/19; also: 25/57).  
 
Allah gave Man eyes and provided light (the Quran) to see very clearly both the (right and wrong) paths --- “Whoever looks, will have benefits for his own self; whoever (chooses to) be blind, will bear the consequences of that action ---“ (6/105). “And no one shall carry someone’s load – “ (17/15). “No one shall carry someone else’s load; whoever takes the right path, shall have no fear or frustration ---“ (2/38; 20/123). “If you are on the right course, the wrong-doer won’t be able to hurt you. They will only hurt themselves --- “ (5/105).  
 
The polytheist assert that they are what they are due to Allah’s will was responded by: “Allah does not misguide anyone” – (6/149, 150); 16/35,36; 43/20). “They misguide themselves” – (6/141). The fact is that just as Allah doesn’t misguide anyone, He doesn’t force anyone onto the right course against their will (16/37).  
 
LAST BUT NOT LEAST  
 
Allah doesn’t but religious leaders do misguide people as they are themselves misguided” – (5/77; 6/145). “Thus the misguided become a group supporting each other’s wrong views” (7/202). “In this way, their leader lead them to an undesirable place - Hell” (14/28, 29).  
 
Therefore, it is Man who does it. Allah doesn’t force the right or the wrong on anyone. It is entirely Man’s own free choice (من شاء). (18/29)  
 
Salam  
 
 
 
 
Comments by: abdullahbashoeb On: 4/6/2011

 
2.Brother Abdullahbashaeb ! Thank you for reply, I agree with all the verses you quoted to prove your stance(that the events are not predestined). But what does it means( the following verse).  
1)  
أَوْحَيْنَا إِلَى أُمِّ مُوسَى أَنْ أَرْضِعِيهِ فَإِذَا خِفْتِ عَلَيْهِ فَأَلْقِيهِ فِي الْيَمِّ وَلَا تَخَافِي وَلَا تَحْزَنِي إِنَّا رَادُّوهُ إِلَيْكِ وَجَاعِلُوهُ مِنَ الْمُرْسَلِينَ  
 
2) أَنِ اقْذِفِيهِ فِي التَّابُوتِ فَاقْذِفِيهِ فِي الْيَمِّ فَلْيُلْقِهِ الْيَمُّ بِالسَّاحِلِ يَأْخُذْهُ عَدُوٌّ لِّي وَعَدُوٌّ لَّهُ
Comments by: Mujeeb On: 4/6/2011

 
3.Salam  
 
Brother These verses not talking about Musa Rasulullah's child hood. Actualy this is tussel between bani israel and alu firaun.  
you see here فَالْتَقَطَهُ آلُ فِرْعَوْنَ لِيَكُونَ لَهُمْ عَدُوًّا وَحَزَنًا إِنَّ فِرْعَوْنَ وَهَامَانَ وَجُنُودَهُمَا كَانُوا خَاطِئِينَ  
here Alu firaoun ,they capture Musa because he is giving hard time to them. It is not that musa is child.  
 
I just want you to go through Br Dr Qamar Zaman Book mujuzat e Musa page number 48.  
 
وَقَالَ لَهُمْ نَبِيُّهُمْ إِنَّ آيَةَ مُلْكِهِ أَن يَأْتِيَكُمُ التَّابُوتُ فِيهِ سَكِينَةٌ مِّن رَّبِّكُمْ وَبَقِيَّةٌ مِّمَّا تَرَكَ آلُ  
مُوسَى وَآلُ هَارُونَ تَحْمِلُهُ الْمَلآئِكَةُ إِنَّ فِي ذَلِكَ لَآيَةً لَّكُمْ إِن كُنتُم مُّؤْمِنِينَ  
I want u to see what actual meaning of Thabouth then you will understand complete episode.  
 
And i hope soon brother Dr Qamar or Br Mouzam will present complete understanding .  
 
Salam  
Comments by: abdullahbashoeb On: 4/7/2011

 
4.Moazzam Sahab! I am eagerly waiting for your in detailed reply to enlighten us about the verses i quoted in my query. In fact i didn't find the elaboration of the said verses as i have gone through the book 'MOJZAT-E-MOSA" by Dr Qamar sahab.  
THANK YOU BROTHER ABDULLAHBASHOEB, Regards  
Comments by: Mujeeb On: 4/7/2011

 
5.MY MESSAGE TO MUSLIM YOUTH  
‘TERI SADGI TERA JURM HAI”  
JAHAN IBADATON KA SILA NAHI.  
JAHAN TAHJATON KA MAZA NAHI.  
PARI HADISAIN JUDA JUDA.  
HAN QURAN KA TUM KO PATA NAHI.  
YAHAN JAANE KESI HAWA CHALI.  
HAI MAZHAB MAIN UMMAT BATI HOE.  
YAHAN JAL GAYA TERA ASHIYAAN.  
ABHI BAADLON KO PATA NAHI.  
AASTANA PE DASTAK DE SAKO.  
YEH PATA TO TUM NAI LIYA NAHI.  
TO RAHI HAI RAAH-E- UMMID KA.  
TUJHE MANZILON KA PATA NAHI.  
BEBUS HO JAHAN MEY ES QADAR.  
JESE TERA KOI KHUDA NAHI.  
TERI SADGI TERA JURM HAI.  
by moazzam(dedicated to all aastana members)  
 
Comments by: moazzam On: 4/7/2011

 
6.Dear Mujeeb,Abdullahbashoeb and Participants.  
WAS MOSES(being an infant) TAABOOT THROWN IN THE SEE  
I’m going to produce the sense of each verse not the translation.  
 
IT IS TO BE NOTED THAT MOSES WAS NOT THE INFANT RATHER A YOUTH WITH THE LEADER-LIKE QUALITIES.  
 
TERMINOLOGIES  
UMM = the most prominent members of the society see the verses42/7, 28/59, 16/92  
1) UMM-E-MUSA = The group of people who wanted to produce a LEADER(MOSES) TO ROOT OUT THE EVILS  
2) أَرْضِعِيهِ = Feed him like nursery feeding to develop (course of training)  
 
3) يُذَبِّحُ أَبْنَاءَهُمْ وَيَسْتَحْيِي نِسَاءَهُمْ = the suppression (with humiliation) of ABNA AL QAOM whereas encouragement to the weaker persons of Bani Israil.  
4) TAABOOT = A brave person who knows tactics of war. To be more clear see the verses 2/246-248.  
5) UKHT-E-MOSES = the group having the same ideology (co sharer in thoughts, to know the sense see the verses 44/46-47.  
6) AHL-E-MADYAN = AHL-E-BAIT= followers of Deen see the verse37/53,56/86.  
7) الْيَمِّ(YAMM) = facing the bitter consequences of confrontations in society(Circumstances of the cruel environment of the society) = وَفَتَنَّاكَ فُتُونًا (same as in case of prophet Younis) to be more clear see the verses 51/40,20/97.  
8) SAAHIL = the logical end . In this case the logical end of Moses training.  
9) USBAHA FOWAAD = Made apparent (comprehension of theme )  
 
 
LET US START THE STORY  
وَلَمَّا بَلَغَ أَشُدَّهُ وَاسْتَوَى آتَيْنَاهُ حُكْمًا وَعِلْمًا وَكَذَلِكَ نَجْزِي الْمُحْسِنِينَ 28/14  
When he reached full age, and was firmly established (in life), We bestowed on him wisdom and knowledge: for thus do We reward those who do good  
وَأَوْحَيْنَا إِلَى أُمِّ مُوسَى أَنْ أَرْضِعِيهِ فَإِذَا خِفْتِ عَلَيْهِ فَأَلْقِيهِ فِي الْيَمِّ وَلَا تَخَافِي  
وَلَا تَحْزَنِي إِنَّا رَادُّوهُ إِلَيْكِ وَجَا  
عِلُوهُ مِنَ الْمُرْسَلِينَ 28/7  
We sent this inspiration / It is conceived in the mind of UMM-E-MOSES(the group of prominent people who wanted to produce a leader) to feed a course of specific training, the second option is that, if you feel any fear then let him face the bitter consequences of confrontations in the society( الْيَمِّ)  
(Circumstances of the cruel environment of the society)  
 
But fear not nor grieve: for We(through due process) shall bring him back to you and We(through due process) shall make him one of Our messengers."  
 
أَنِ اقْذِ  
فِيهِ فِي التَّابُوتِ فَاقْذِفِيهِ فِي الْيَمِّ فَلْيُلْقِهِ الْيَمُّ بِالسَّاحِلِ يَأْخُذْهُ عَدُوٌّ لِّي وَعَدُوٌّ لَّهُ وَأَلْقَيْتُ عَلَيْكَ مَحَبَّ  
ةً مِّنِّي وَلِتُصْنَعَ عَلَى عَيْنِي 20/39  
That put (involve)his genius personality( having unique guts and leader like qualities) to make him a field marshal(rajul al medaan) called TABOOT, certainly put(involve) his unique personality to face the bitter consequences of confrontations in the society(الْيَمِّ) which ultimately will meet his last training requirements (logical end , لسَّاحِلِ ). And he will be taken up by one who is an enemy to Me and an enemy to him': But I cast (the garment of) love over you from Me.  
 
 
فَالْتَقَطَهُ آلُ فِرْعَوْنَ لِيَكُونَ لَهُمْ عَدُوًّا  
وَحَزَنًا إِنَّ فِرْعَوْنَ وَهَامَانَ وَجُنُودَهُمَا كَانُوا خَاطِئِينَ 28/8  
This leader(Moses)is going to be prepared only for Al-e-Pharaoh (It was intended) that (Moses) should be to them an adversary and a cause of sorrow: for Pharaoh and Haman and (all) their hosts were men of sin.  
 
 
وَقَالَتِ امْرَأَتُ فِرْعَوْنَ قُرَّ  
تُ عَيْنٍ لِّي وَلَكَ لَا تَقْتُلُوهُ عَسَى أَن يَنفَعَنَا أَوْ نَتَّخِذَهُ  
وَلَدًا وَهُمْ لَا يَشْعُرُونَ28/9  
It is to be noted that  
AL-E-PHARAOH = FOLLOWERS OF PHARAOH  
IMRAATA PHARAOH =NATION OF PHARAOH (the righteous lovers)  
The nation of Pharaoh said: "(Here is) joy of the eye, for us and for you, تَقْتُلُ ( humiliate/suppress) him not. It may be that he will be use to us, or we may adopt him as a son (son of the nation)." And they perceived not.  
 
وَ  
أَصْ  
بَحَ فُؤَادُ أُمِّ مُوسَى فَارِغًا إِن كَادَتْ لَ  
تُبْدِ  
ي بِهِ لَوْلَا أَن رَّبَطْنَا عَلَى قَلْبِهَا لِتَكُونَ مِنَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ 28/10  
The matter became completely apparent to Umm-e-Moses ,but she was not ready to start the said program, had We not strengthened her heart (with faith), so that she might remain a (firm) believer.  
 
وَقَالَتْ لِأُخْتِهِ قُصِّيهِ  
فَبَصُرَتْ بِهِ عَن جُنُبٍ وَه  
مْلَا يَشْعُرُونَ28/11.  
Umm-e-Musa (the group who was producing Musa as a leader) tolled to لِأُخْتِهِ (the group of same mentality the Moses had) be a part from him and watch in the character of a stranger. And they knew not.  
 
وَحَرَّمْنَا عَلَيْهِ الْمَرَاضِعَ مِن قَبْلُ فَقَا  
لَتْ هَلْ أَدُلُّكُمْ عَلَى أَهْلِ بَيْتٍ يَكْفُلُونَهُ لَكُمْ وَهُمْ لَهُ نَاصِحُونَ  
28/12  
We(the due course of proceeder) وَحَرَّمْنَا ( restrained) many الْمَرَاضِعَ ( trainers ) before to conduct his training (to feed him training), one of his group(لِأُخْتِ) said,Shall I point out to youهْلِ بَيْتٍl that will nourish and bring him up for your requirement of training and be sincerely attached to him?"  
إِذْ تَشِي أُخْتُكَ فَتَقُولُ هَلْ أَدُلُّكُمْ عَلَى مَن يَكْفُلُهُ فَرَجَعْنَاكَ إِلَى أُمِّ  
كَ كَيْ تَقَرَّ عَيْنُهَا وَلَا تَحْزَنَ وَقَتَلْتَ نَفْسًا فَنَجَّيْنَاكَ مِنَ الْغَمِّ وَفَتَنَّاكَ فُتُونًا فَلَبِثْتَ سِنِينَ فِي أَهْلِ مَدْيَنَ ثُمَّ جِئْتَ عَلَى قَدَرٍ يَا مُوسَى 20/40  
but We saved him from troubles, and We tried him in various ways. Then didst thou tarry a number of years with the people of Midian(Ahl-e-bait) Then didst thou come hither as ordained, O Moses!  
 
فَرَدَدْنَاهُ إِلَى أُمِّهِ كَيْ  
تَقَرَّ عَيْنُهَا وَلَا تَحْزَنَ وَلِتَعْلَمَ أَنَّ وَعْدَ اللَّهِ حَقٌّ وَلَكِنَّ أَكْثَرَهُمْ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ 28/13  
So we returned him back to the Umm-e-Musa (the said group of people who wanted to produce a leader) that their eye might be comforted, that they might not grieve, and that they might know that the promise of Allah is true: but most of them do not understand.  
 
 
 
TRAVELING(departure of Moses) FROM UMM-E-MOSES TO AHL-E-BAIT  
 
 
وَجَاءَ رَجُلٌ مِّنْ أَقْصَى الْمَدِينَةِ يَسْعَى قَالَ يَا  
مُوسَى إِنَّ الْمَلَأَ يَأْتَمِرُونَ بِكَ لِيَقْتُلُوكَ فَاخْرُجْ إِنِّي لَكَ مِنَ النَّاصِحِينَ 28/20  
And there came a man, running, from the furthest end of the City. He said: "O Moses! the Chiefs are taking counsel together about you لِيَقْتُلُوكَ (as usually the used to behave with ABNA AL QAOM): so get you away, for I do give you sincere advice.  
 
فَخَرَجَ مِنْهَا خَائِفًا يَتَرَقَّبُ قَالَ رَبِّ نَجِّنِي مِنَ الْقَوْمِ الظَّالِمِينَ 28/21  
 
He therefore got away there from, looking about, in a state of fear. He prayed "O my Lord! save me from people given to wrong-doing.  
 
وَلَمَّا تَوَجَّهَ تِلْقَاءَ مَدْيَنَ قَالَ عَسَى رَبِّي أَن يَهْدِيَنِي سَوَاءَ السَّبِيلِ 28/22  
 
وَاصْطَنَعْتُكَ لِنَفْسِي 20/41  
 
"And I have prepared you for Myself (to accomplish the task)"..  
قَالَ يَا مُوسَى إِنِّي اصْطَفَيْتُكَ عَلَى النَّاسِ بِرِسَالاَتِي وَبِكَلاَمِي فَخُذْ مَا آتَيْتُكَ وَكُن مِّنَ الشَّاكِرِينَ 7/144  
 
IT IS ADVISED TO READ THE MOJZAT-E-MUSA (by Dr. Qamarzaman) TO GO FURTHER.
Comments by: moazzam On: 4/8/2011

 
7.AASTANA MEMBER'S COMMENTS REQUIRED  
What a strange sense given by Brother Moazzam  
What about the ORTHODOX translations were are ARAB SCHOLARS ????????????????????????????????????????  
Comments by: Mujeeb On: 4/8/2011

 
8.In the process of rehabilitation-based treatment, its method is to reverse the time in order take the patient back to the beginning point so he can start all over again. Normally, from this point, the patient is cured and hopefully getting better so he can live independently without any mental disturbance, or even better, turn into a supply of the society.  
 
The Schools, colleges and universities are created by us to educate hard working students who want to gain knowledge which is useful for themselves and for the betterment of mankind.  
 
The question is what to do with those who are born with the mind slavery, whether it is their cast, bloodline or role in the community given by self-proclaimed scholars?  
 
Where is the starting point for such a person?  
 
How is it possible to “recuperate” these victims so they know their true rights established by the creator? How can a person recover from such a disease, which is namely not to think but to accept collective standards and truths without questioning them?  
 
How can we teach that person that he or she can learn, think and question everything in this world?  
 
I would suggest, to achieve a miracle of this person recovering, the time need to be reversed to the first impressions given by the objects in the environment that resulted in mental obstacles in one's development. If a person is born with time-honored “realities”, the time need to be taken back to his first teacher which confirmed what he was learning through his home.  
 
That is his UMM, his UMM is responsible for him, therefore, it is his UMM that must learn the Quran – It has to be received by the mind of the child’s umm  
 
Now you, brother Mujeeb, replace the word umm to either the mother, and get a personal meaning which only deals with Moses and his childhood, or replace it with the meaning our brilliant Moazzam explains .- "group of prominent people who wanted to produce leaders" which is a meaning valid at every time in every place.  
 
In short, universities educate students, while the Quran in addition to teach students, prevent senselessness, ridiculousness, meaninglessness and irrationality- while it educate and shapes the insane and those who are bound by inborn mental captivity –  
 
Tell me if this has been possible by the orthodox “Arabic knowing” Arab scholars? Do you think Osama Bin Laden know arabic?  
Comments by: Nargis2 On: 4/8/2011

 
9.Dear Nargis, great understanding, well presented and explained. Yes it makes lot of sense we need to get to the root(mother) of every thing to solve issues and/or to have better impacts/results.  
 
Note : Need is the MOTHER(Umm) of all inventions…....( Mayb an idiom to support understanding UMM).........things can be understood better in UMM tongue. (UMM tongue as in BASE language .....wat say?)  
 
Thanks,  
Mubashir Syed.
Comments by: Mubashir Syed On: 4/9/2011

 
10.Thank you Sister Nargis , Now i got it .  
As prophet zakariya got "EISA WITH THE ATTREBUTE OF YAHA" trained by MARYAM to be the UNIQUE LEADER in bani Israil, (as moazzam said MARYAM was the group of people working as an IDARAH.  
The UMM-MOSES(the prominent group of people who wanted to produce MUSA as a leader) also got a trained leader to rescue the bani israil( from AAL-E-FIRAOH).  
AM I RIGHT??
Comments by: Mujeeb On: 4/9/2011

 
11.Abdullahbashoeb ! Please comment on Moazzam's new elaboration, i mean his new adventure which is 180 degree out of phase with the usual translations?  
HAIN KAWAKIB KUCH NAZAN AATEY HAIN KUCH
Comments by: naeem sheikh On: 4/9/2011

 
12.Brother Abdullahbashoeb ! Where are YOU You you uuuuuuuuuuuuu  
Allah Bless YOU You you uuuuuuuuuuuuu  
Taabooooooooooooooooooooooooooooot ??????????????
Comments by: Mujeeb On: 4/10/2011

 
13.Salam,  
 
Brother I already written that this episode not talking about Musa Rasulullah's childhood It was continues struggle between Musa and Bani Israel with Friaun ,Alu firaoun. Brother Mozam put extraordinary presentation that conveys al most exact message of this episode of (Musa Rasulullah and his strugle ) to establish Salath.  
 
إِنَّنِي أَنَا اللَّهُ لَا إِلَهَ إِلَّا أَنَا فَاعْبُدْنِي وَأَقِمِ الصَّلَاةَ لِذِكْرِي  
 
Salam  
 
Comments by: abdullahbashoeb On: 4/10/2011

 
14.Brother Moazzam,  
 
I fully appreciate and admire your post of 8th April, above.  
Comments of Brother Abdullahbashoeb and Sis Nargiz are also enlightening.  
 
God bless you all.
Comments by: aurangzaib On: 4/10/2011

 
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