TOPIC: Islam >> Beliefs
Q.Aslamoalikum Mozam bhai would you please elaborate the terminology Al-Kitab??  
Thanks
By: ali.haideer On: 5/29/2011

1.although i asked the question from mozam b/c i hav seen this word more frequently in his answers but as i think he is not intrested in giving reply to this, i request other respected members to please drop a line over this topic. thanks
Comments by: ali.haideer On: 6/5/2011

 
2.Ali Haider! sorry,it was overlooked.  
Let me reproduce my inference here again,please read all the following refereces minutely and carefully with the subject context regarding ALKITAB , the matter will be cleared to you.  
The basic point is ,that, the SAME ALKITAB HAS BEEN AND WILL BE GIVEN TO ALL RASOOLS. This Alkitab has some GENERIC TEMPLATES OF ATTRIBUTES WRITTEN BEING THE ETERNAL GUIDANCE BEYOND TIME AND SPACE.  
.Remember no any other book except( categorically)SAME ALKITAB was given to all rasools.  
وَرُسُلاً قَدْ قَصَصْنَاهُمْ عَلَيْكَ مِن قَبْلُ وَرُسُلاً لَّمْ نَقْصُصْهُمْ عَلَيْكَ وَكَلَّمَ اللّهُ مُوسَى تَكْلِيمًا  
رُّسُلاً مُّبَشِّرِينَ وَمُنذِرِينَ لِئَلاَّ يَكُونَ لِلنَّاسِ عَلَى اللّهِ حُجَّةٌ بَعْدَ الرُّسُلِ وَكَانَ اللّهُ عَزِيزًا حَكِيمًا  
1:- kindly go to the verse 2/2,2/44,2/53,2,87,2/113 and there are other 232 verses of Quran where you will find the word ALKITAB (the book). This is the same ALKITAB which have been given to every rasool.  
Firstly, it was revealed at the most intellect person in the Adams’s society when Adam existed into full conscious being,but we don’t know when and where it happened because (Alkitab=Alrooh ) see the verse 17/85.  
All the prophets will seek guidance through pondering into this Alkitab , whatever will conceived in their mind will be called NUZOOL ALKITAB (wahy), ( remember the rasool also takes guidance from nature as well).  
The name of rusul mentioned in Alkitab are not proper noun rather, the ATTREBUTES of the characters mentioned in the eternal example set by Allah(THE GENERIC TEMPLATES), like mohammad,ibrahim,mosa,yahya,noha, etc  
2:- come to the verse 15/9, the ZIKR,and QURAN is the same ALKITAB.  
See the verse 7/145,7/150,7/154, 85/22,54/13 here we find the word “LOHH”this also means the ALKITAB/SUHOF.Now you consolidate these all verses with respect to their context which conclude that the protection of this “ALKITAB” has been described.  
The problem lies with the mentality of the religious intregues, those converted these template into physical events( played at earh), as they always had/has been tried to devastate the divine message as per their wish,and produced in the form of INJEEL(BIBLE), TALMOOD, TAURAAT,and this process is still going on.  
Comments by: moazzam On: 6/6/2011

 
3.You say, SAME ALKITAB HAS BEEN AND WILL BE GIVEN TO ALL RASOOLS. its true than you say, This Alkitab has some GENERIC TEMPLATES OF ATTRIBUTES WRITTEN BEING THE ETERNAL GUIDANCE BEYOND TIME AND SPACE.  
*How can you say this?  
*If it has same guidance why we find different books means having different guidance?  
Than you give refernces of Chapter 2. Verses  
2. (This is) the Glorious Book in which there is no chance of doubt. (It is) a guide for those who guard against evil and fear Allah:  
44. Do you command others for piety and forget yourselves, while you (also) recite the Book (of Allah)? So, do you not think?  
53. And when We bestowed upon Musa (Moses) the Book and the miracle distinguishing the truth from falsehood so that you might take the path of guidance.  
87. And surely We gave Musa (Moses) the Book (the Torah) and sent (many) Messengers after him in succession.  
113. And the Jews say: ‘The Christians do not have their base upon anything (i.e. sound faith),’ and the Christians say: ‘The Jews do not have their base upon anything,’ yet they (all) read the Book (revealed by Allah).  
*Now you say this is the same ALKITAB which have been given to every rasool. Now question arises as these verses points out towards a book than how u points out that this means same guidance?  
* Problem is that every rasool was given a book, Allama Niaz Fateh Puri's faith in this regard which even you have supported to some extent that book's theme was in Muhammad's mind and he uttered these ideas at different occasions and this becomes the book but in case of Mosa we find 7:145. And We (have) inscribed for him on the Tablets (of the Torah) instructions for every matter and detail of everything. Now what are these tablets???? this creats confusion for me......Was he recieved these tablets from God???? Or same is the case with musa as well that he wrote book himself?????  
Actually u have given a good answer yet there are many aspects which are unclear for me....Please clear the idea using easy language.  
Ali
Comments by: ali.haideer On: 6/10/2011

 
4.Brother Moazzam, FYI, (If you missed the discussion yesterday)  
Ali Haideer has been confirmed as an ID being used by Tariq Satti and B Qayyum group.
Comments by: Junaid On: 6/10/2011

 
5.Why are you so much interested in finding IDs instead of learning. Pl spend some time learning Quran and character building.  
Syariq  
Comments by: SS On: 6/10/2011

 
6.I request aastana administration to remove posts which are irrelevant and contain personal comments  
and ban the individuals responsible on this thread. I think people in young age are failures who spend  
their time in this useless activity and defy aastana administration besides warnings. I don't know why  
aastana administration doesn't take action immediately and allow things to worsen. This is quiet  
disappointing.  
 
Dear Moazzam please answer the question asked by brother ali.haideer , I am also interested to learn.  
I will find an opportunity to meet you personally and ask you many questions in my private discussions  
with you. Brother Aurangzeb knows you, I will ask him to arrange a meeting in your house or at my  
residence. I will call many friends in the meetings. We often arrange such meetings of knowledge lovers.  
Brother we have a lot of flexibility and respect others opinions even if we differ very firmly. Everyone has  
the right to have his opinion and his own thinking. You will be surprised I have many best friends with  
whom I differ totally but respect each others opinion. That is the beauty. You will meet brother bqayyum  
also who is a friend of brother AsarulIslam and brother Aurangzeb. I always admired your attitude  
and patience you show in the process of learning. And the verses you once wrote for me,  
 
HER LEHZA HAI MOMIN KI NAI AAN NAI SHANN.  
 
There is no doubt I have very firm convictions but I always put them to the test of logic and reasoning  
and don't hesitate to change them if I am convinced. Please carry on with the discussion ignoring  
irrelevant comments.  
 
 
 
 
regards  
Comments by: pervez On: 6/10/2011

 
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