TOPIC: Islam >> Beliefs
Q.  
 
HAS ALLAH, IN HIS QURAN, RULED ON THE EXPRESSION OF HUMAN SEXUAL BEHAVIOR OR IS MAN FREE TO DECIDE ON HIS OWN HOW TO EXPRESS SEXUAL BEHAVIOR?  
 
 
 
 
By: DHULQARNAIN On: 7/8/2011

1.Dear Dhulqarnain! As there are so many other socio-economic matters/issues, which normally has been addressed in society's legislation according to the need and requirements of that era. Why do you,so worried about SEXUAL MATTERS only?
Comments by: naeem sheikh On: 7/8/2011

 
2.أَئِنَّكُمْ لَتَأْتُونَ الرِّجَالَ شَهْوَةً مِّن دُونِ النِّسَاءِ ۚ بَلْ أَنتُمْ قَوْمٌ تَجْهَلُونَ:27:55:  
Must you really approach men with lust instead of women? Nay, but you are people without any awareness (of right and wrong)!”Muhammad Asad Translation.  
 
Almost everyone translate this verse like above. Please throw light.
Comments by: Saeed On: 7/8/2011

 
3.Sex or Sexual activities are not the subject of the Quran. The orthodox misinterpretations of the Quraniq terminologies such as FUHASH, RAJJAL, NISA, ZANI, AZWAJ, and SHAHWAT BINAT AL QOUM has created the confusion because they didn’t observe the context and studied the Quran through Judeo-Christian scriptures and books of history provided by Persian imams. They planted the need of a Divine book talking about sexual activities. That is why we have a sad scenario of Islamic scholars who have based their understanding of Islam by revolving 95 % of it around the controlling of one’s sexual behavior or sexual issues.  
 
However, the Quran is talking on a much higher level than that. Kaa booom, I’m going to drop the bomb of truth, depart …those of you have a weak heart. To understand this issue one should go through the real definitions of the terminologies and do the Rattal and Tasreef to confirm how it fit in the Quraniq intention and fundamental message. Enjoy the reading
 
 
First some food for thought: -  
 
• 27:54-55:- And LOT, when he said to his people (qawm): Do you commit fahish deeds, while you see? Will you come to men (rijala) lustfully (shaha) rather than the women (al-nisa)? Nay, you are a people who act ignorantly.  
 
*If only men were gay and they are committing a sin (haaw haee), why then is Lot turning to his QOUM which consists of men AND women? As we understand, the qoum only had filthy gays and not lesbians, and innocent nisa who were ignored in favour of men…Why is he addressing his message to the qoum?  
 
* If we accept the story about the Azaab as a consequence of homosexual behavior between gays, when all of the qoum was destroyed, what then about the women and the lesbians ? Keep in mind that there is no mention of lesbians but it is emphasized only on the relation between men.  
 
*What about Zina Biljabar (as per their definition), was the Azaab only for men? Is there any evidence that only men were destroyed by that especially gay-designed Azaab? But the Quran said ALL of them were destroyed apart from Aale Loot?  
 
*It is said that Loot offered them his daughters so they could quit their gay-activities. First of all, how many daughters did he have? Why did he offer his daughters when it is clearly said that they preferred men instead of women, meaning that the qoum did have WOMEN already…why the need to offer his own daughters?  
 
*the Quraniq context shows that the Qoume Ibrahim were involved in the wickedest possible doings which is called Shirk, why then the worst possible Azaab for Qoume loot?
 
 
Those who started to think as a result of these questions, may continue, those who don’t understand anything, shouldn’t waste their time.  
 
•NISAUKUM HARSULLAKUM------ (the so called sexual issue) ---has been discussed in details, now I would like to discuss another important topic which also being quoted in relevant to this subject.  
 
That is the story of QUOM E LOOT.  
 
*LOOT was one of the members of his Qawm who became MOMIN (he left the Fahsha and joined the IBRAHIM) refer to verse 29/26.  
 
*Later on, LOOT was appointed at the status of prophet in his nation see the verse 37/133. It means he familiarized the Divine message to his qoum, in order to make them understand it and follow it.  
 
*He had a special task appointed to him because of the need of the society. The task was to control Fahsha which was widespread in his society.  
 
We have discussed earlier what Fahsha is, and it can be studied in English here  
 
http://www.aastana.com/blog/aastanablog.asp?QID=1363#COM7551  
 
*Shortly summarized, Fahsha is to follow anything outside the Quran, to devastate the divine message and establish man-made harming rules in a society.  
 
*So Loot had to struggle against the “dark forces” that were shattering and replacing the Quraniq message with their own rules. This is why Loot worked along with Ibrahim, plz read 7/59----85  
 
*The whole nation was involved in shirq but Qoume Loot was providing fake material to justify the shirq (which is also called Fahsha)  
 
*In other words, they tried to RENAME the divine message so it looked like THEIR rules were divine and the real message where to be eliminated.  
 
The question is, where did these people get support from?  
 
*That is where one has to re-examine terminologies like of RAJJAL / MALA AL QUOM which is translated as “MEN”, and other expressions such as BINAT AL QUOM, AL-NISAL, ZAUJ and SHAHWA  
 
 
RAJAL = ZAKAR= DETERMENT, STRONG CHARACTERS OF THE SOCIETY  
 
UNTHA= NISA = WEEK, NONE DETERMENT PEOPLE OF THE SOCIETY, WEAKER SEGMENT OF THE SOCIETY
 
 
*To get the core of the story, please read verses 11/77--82, 15/84, 27/54--58 and replace the definitions of the words like mentioned above and see how the scenario changes into a deeper message.  
 
*The Qoume Loot (devastators) were enjoying the support from the elite class (Rajjal), and left their weaker companions (Nisa) of the society to spread and advertised alFahsha --> anti-Islamic material equated with AlKitab  
 
• Now study the story and relation of IBRAHIM and LOOT in the verses 29/16--34 and focus notably on 29/29 to determine the Fahsha, because that is the deviation from SABEEL(the divine message) and CALL TO MUNKAR (data and substance other than Alkitab, which is called Fahsha ) see the verse 7/86.  
 
• Now come to the verse 26/160--170 here, LOOT is making them realized that you used to leave your own companions (Nisa/binat al qoum) and keep on joining the Rajjal (elite class, stronger wealthier class of the society, whatsoever they are) at earth, to work on your agenda of spreading and implementing the Fahsha in the society.  
 
27:54-55 is actually saying: - And LOT, when he said to his (qawm that were guilty of fahsah, all of it, men and women): Do you commit Fahsha deeds, while you see? Will you join the RAJAL (wealthy elite class of the society) in GREED (shaha) rather than the Weaker companions (AL NISA)? Nay, you are a people who act ignorantly.  
 
FAHSHA, ZINA AND SHIRQ ARE NEVER ACCEPTED AND ALL THREE RUN SIDE BY SIDE!  
Comments by: Nargis2 On: 7/8/2011

 
4.Dear Sister Nargis If you do not mind i will ask a question.Your interpretation of the above verse is logical.And i appreciate it.My question is:  
If two adults (Men and women,Men and men or women and women) agree to have sex and there is no force.Are they allowed to do so by the Quran.  
Thanks.
Comments by: bilal_khan5181 On: 7/8/2011

 
5.  
PART A  
 
***Sex or Sexual activities are not the subject of the Quran.***  
 
I’ve never stated that sex or sexual activities are “the” subject of Al-Quran. Please don’t misrepresent me. What I’m asking is…is sexual behavior “a” subject in Al-Quran?  
 
The following ayat, if nothing else, must compel the reader of Al-Quran ask the question. Is the following ayat, as you claim so many of them are, counterfeit, as well? Tauheed is “the” subject of Al-Quran.  
 
25:33 And they cannot bring thee a question, but We have brought thee the truth and the best explanation.  
Let’s look at this ayat, and, to start, the terms akhadan and :  
 
4:25 And whoever among you has not within his power ampleness of means to marry free believing women, then (he may marry) of those whom your right hands possess from among your believing maidens; and Allah knows best your faith: you are (sprung) the one from the other; so marry them with the permission of their masters, and give them their dowries justly, they being chaste, not fornicating, nor receiving paramours; and when they are taken in marriage, then if they are guilty of indecency, they shall suffer half the punishment which is (inflicted) upon free women. This is for him among you who fears falling into evil; and that you abstain is better for you, and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.  
 
1. muhsanati/hasana: chaste=sexual activity only with a married partner.  
 
2. akhadan: secret lovers/paramours  
 
Ayat 4:25, as well as, ayats 17:32 and 24:3, all bear witness to 25:33  
 
Let me ask it like this. This is directed at those who do not agree with my position. If any of you have children and they ask you one day—“mother/father…according to Allah do I have to be married before engaging in sex? What is going to be your reply? If Al-Quran has no guidance on this issue, where would you refer your child to get the answer to his/her question?  
 
PART B  
 
*If only men were gay and they are committing a sin (haaw haee), why then is Lot turning to his QOUM which consists of men AND women? As we understand, the qoum only had filthy gays and not lesbians, and innocent nisa who were ignored in favour of men…Why is he addressing his message to the qoum? * If we accept the story about the Azaab as a consequence of homosexual behavior between gays, when all of the qoum was destroyed, what then about the women and the lesbians ? Keep in mind that there is no mention of lesbians but it is emphasized only on the relation between men. *What about Zina Biljabar (as per their definition), was the Azaab only for men? Is there any evidence that only men were destroyed by that especially gay-designed Azaab? But the Quran said ALL of them were destroyed apart from Aale Loot?  
 
Three things to consider:  
 
1. Men are the maintainers of women. Perhaps this is why the focus is on men.  
 
2. Allah, in Al-Quran, never blames the body of women for anything, just the body of men.  
 
3. Many of the women, just as it is today, supported the fahish behavior of the men, thus, making them liable for punishment as well.  
 
4:85 Whoever joins himself in a good cause shall have a share of it, and whoever joins himself in an evil cause shall have the responsibility of it, and Allah controls all things  
 
Dhulqarnain-  
 
 
Comments by: DHULQARNAIN On: 7/8/2011

 
6. Brother Bilal, I’m really delighted about your kind words and motive power to learn. A definite answer to your question should be given by Dr Uncle or Brother Moazzam. Meanwhile you can read this to see some of it :P  
 
THE QURAN  
 
The Quran only gives commands that are not bounded by specific period and region, which means it is issuing commands that are implementable and workable in every age and zone. So the commands of the Quran are not subject to change of the society, if the Quran have any commands that are changeable because of the changes in societies, then it cannot be divine.  
 
If you can’t find clear cut or categorical statements in the Quran, then it is left to the society and human intellect and research to decide something in light of the situation, with the constitutional value given by the Quran:- WHATEVER YOU DO OR SAY IT SHOULD NOT STEAL AWAY SOMEONES RIGHT.
 
 
NIKAH = Rain Rested on the Ground so as to soak it; to tie, to tie knot, to make agreement,binding (project root)  
 
Nikah is a contract which is a legally enforceable agreement between two parties with mutual obligations. The contract is a management document that says what the parties have undertaken to do. It should provide the basis for a fully satisfactory presentation of the privileges and obligations both are dedicated to. The contract is a written document of what two people have agreed to do to fulfill the obligations undertaken.  
 
Is Nikah a certificate to have sex? Normally, is it written in the “Nikah Nama” that you now can have sex (without being stoned to death)? So technically, if it’s not written in the Nikah/contract, that you are now free to have sex or love, then you can’t do it--  
 
When the Nikah is used as an agreement between two people who want to live together, is determined by the context. As a marriage contract the word "NIKAH" is used in the following verses. 33/49---50, 28/27, 24/60, 4/252-30  
 
(BUT IT IS TO BE MORE STUDIED SO WE ARE STILL REVIEWING IT)
 
 
**THERE IS NO SEXUAL SUBJECT, OR SEXUAL BEHAVIOUR IS NOT A SUBJECT IN THE QURAN (HOMOSEXUALITY, BISEXUALITY OR WHATSOEVER) DISCUSSED IN THE GREAT QURAN, BUT A GUIDANCE TO PROTECT HUMAN RIGHTS AND TO ESTABLISH THE WELFARE STATE.  
 
**IF YOU CAN’T FIND CLEAR CUT OR CATEGORICAL STATEMENTS IN THE QURAN, THEN IT IS LEFT TO THE SOCIETY, HUMAN INTELLECT AND RESEARCH TO DECIDE SOMETHING IN LIGHT OF THE SITUATION, WITH THE CONSTITUTIONAL VALUE GIVEN BY THE QURAN.
 
 
Summary of terminologies that is twisted by clergy criminals  
 
Al NISA = weaker segments of society  
AZWAJ = groups of people including men and women  
NIKAH = an agreement/contract between two parties,  
RAJJAL = powerful /dominating segment of society  
FUHASH = the anti Quraniq invented story,  
ZINA = alteration of Quraniq lesson  
 
Quran is a book of human rights, it is to enable people to be independent and see the difference between right and wrong and perform accordingly. It is guidance to the muttaqeens, not charlatans.  
Comments by: Nargis2 On: 7/8/2011

 
7.Nargis,  
 
If the following terms don't mean as translated...what, then, are there definitions?  
 
1. muhsanati/hasana: chaste=sexual activity only with a married partner.  
 
2. akhadan: secret lovers/paramours  
Comments by: DHULQARNAIN On: 7/8/2011

 
8. Dear dhulqarnain  
 
1. muhsanati/hasana: chaste=sexual activity only with a married partner.  
 
Muhsinat from the root Ha-Sad-Nun = abstain from what is not lawful nor decorous, make or render a thing inaccessible or unapproachable or difficult to access, make/render a thing unattainable by reason of its height, to strengthen oneself. (project root)  
 
The word is also used in 5:5, and I don’t know why this word is used for sexual reservation and not in its broader perspective, which is clearly to strengthen oneself from EVERYTHING that is harming/not lawful. If 5.5 is an advice to look for a Muhsinat girl (chaste, never had a sexual activity without being married, oouuhhww) how stupid does it sound that our marriage candidate announce to the Ahl Kitab:-  
 
“I’m looking for a virgin from Ahl Kitab, I don’t care if she is a druggie, deceiver, falsifier, faker, evil, horrible, unpleasant, disgusting, criminal, thief, psycho, foul, unmanageable, uncontrollable, senseless, mindless, idiotic, unconscious, zombie, failure, catastrophe, fiasco, miscarriage or malfunctioned, all I’m looking for is a girl who didn’t sleep with anyone without being married. This is because Allah told me to find a girl like that, other qualities doesn’t matter really”  
 
Good luck, but heyyyyy, what about chaste men from Ahl Kitab, are they not lawful for "believing women" ?hope they are wearing hijab though...  
 
2) The word Akhadan with the root KHA DAAL NUN is said to mean: - To befriend, keep company, associate in secrecy or privacy, to converse/talk with. http://www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm  
 
I don’t understand how the word "sexual" is smuggled and trafficked in everywhere? These sick and sad loser clowns seem to be obsessed. I wonder why "privacy" is not corrupted to mean "sex between she-male and he-she-trance gender -Hermaphroditus-female " Since the word "associate in private" popped up, it has to mean sexual partner while being married to someone else, pheew  
 
Comments by: Nargis2 On: 7/8/2011

 
9.Let’s have a look at orthodox translation of 4:25  
 
*** And whoever among you has not within his power ampleness of means to marry free believing women,  
 
*why is the word muminati used for women in this verse, while it muhsinat alnisa is used in the verse before it, 4:24?  
 
*why is al nisa and muminati translated as women in both verses, if it’s about being a believer, then the same word al nisa is used in 2:183-187 for women of the fasting “believers”...  
 
*what “means” are needed to marry a believing woman?  
 
*what “means” do believing women need to marry “believing men”?  
 
*i thought the Arabic language doesn’t have a "third" gender, so it’s words are either feminine or masculine gender, it means that words for “arm” or “leg” can be of feminine or masculine gender. The word itself does not determine the content, so how do we know muminati are women?
 
 
***Then (he may marry) of those whom your right hands possess from among your believing maidens;  
 
*why not the need of means while marrying a slave? Are not the mahr rules same whoever one marry? Why are slaves mentioned at all, Islam does not allow slaves?  
 
*What about slaves from Ahl kitab? Or is it like only "free chaste women from ahl kitab" (ref 5:5) are allowed?  
 
*what about male slaves and women who can’t afford for their marriage with “free believing men”?
 
 
***And Allah knows best your faith: you are (sprung) the one from the other;  
 
• Who denied Allah’s knowledge since it was necessary to remind them of that all of the sudden?  
 
• They are sprung from each other, yet the discrimination between free believing woman and a slave?  
 
• They are sprung from each other, still the men are been told what women they can pick and choose, but the same rules are not given to women?  
 
• They are sprung from each other, still female slaves are to be picked and chosen by men, but the slave can’t choose men among her “owners”?
 
 
***so marry them with the permission of their masters,  
 
*thought they were spring of each other, yet a “permission” from her “master” is needed?  
 
***and give them their dowries justly,  
 
What dowries are prescribed for men from women? What dowries are prescribed at all?  
 
***they being chaste, not fornicating, nor receiving paramours; and when they are taken in marriage, then if they are guilty of indecency, they shall suffer half the punishment which is (inflicted) upon free women.  
 
Okay, again the one and only sin, (ouuuhhhww,,, I’m shaking while I’m typing the word, I can see demons and Diablo’s flying around me just because I’m thinking of writing the horrible sinful word)  
 
Sexual relations without being married(jippy i wrote it), basically one is perfect if you haven’t committed the horrible one and only crime which is the only criterion to be regarded as a female human being.  
 
Note that there is no other quality needed for a free woman or slave woman, other than being “untouchable/chaste”
 
 
***This is for him among you who fears falling into evil; and that you abstain is better for you, and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.  
 
Funny that “abstaining from evil” is synonymous with “abstaining from sex”  
 
And Allah is always "talking" to men and what they can do to women or who they can marry or how much to pay in mahr or how they can divorce them or how they can punish them etc. Why is Allah always talking to men and not women?  
 
Why are men chosen to "delegate" rights and wrongs but not women?  
 
Where are the instructions for the government and society as whole?  
 
This is from the translator, not Allah. Part B tomorrow :/ zzzzz  
 
Arrrgghhh, i sound like a "feminist" :-O :-D
 
Comments by: Nargis On: 7/8/2011

 
10.Dearest Nargis,  
 
1. muhsanati/hasana: chaste=sexual activity only with a married partner.  
 
Muhsinat from the root Ha-Sad-Nun = abstain from what is not lawful nor decorous, make or render a thing inaccessible or unapproachable or difficult to access, make/render a thing unattainable by reason of its height, to strengthen oneself. (project root)  
 
*** I don’t know why this word is used for sexual reservation and not in its broader perspective, which is clearly to strengthen oneself from EVERYTHING that is harming/not lawful.***  
 
You don’t think an unwanted pregnancy is harmful? You don’t think a sexually transmitted disease is harmful? You don’t think prostitution is harmful? You don’t think the human sex trade is harmful? You don’t think sexual predators are harmful i.e. date rapists? You don’t think many inappropriate sexual activities has lead to suicide, homicide, and mental breakdowns? Are these things harmful?  
 
You want this term to cover every potentially harmful thing that can happen to an individual EXCEPT in the area of sexual behavior?! You’re not making any sense. What you’re proffering as the definition hasadnun does not rule out sexual behavior as being the central issue in ayat 4:25/as being potentially and actually, harmful to human beings. What is more precious to a female than her womb? Why would not Allah and the female, and male for that matter, not seek to protect it from harmful behaviors and influences? The very existence of the human race is based on sexual behavior and, yet, you truly believe that Allah has not ruled on this absolutely central issue to human social and physical survival! You are truly a remarkable individual.  
 
***If 5.5 is an advice to look for a Muhsinat girl (chaste, never had a sexual activity without being married, oouuhhww) how stupid does it sound that our marriage candidate announce to the Ahl Kitab:-***  
 
Make no mistake about it, Allah, in ayat 4:35, is not giving any advice, suggestions, or recommendations---He is giving orders. Following the orders of Allah without reservation is the very definition of Salaa, remember? The order in 4:25 is to be chaste.  
 
***“I’m looking for a virgin from Ahl Kitab, I don’t care if she is a druggie, deceiver, falsifier, faker, evil, horrible, unpleasant, disgusting, criminal, thief, psycho, foul, unmanageable, uncontrollable, senseless, mindless, idiotic, unconscious, zombie, failure, catastrophe, fiasco, miscarriage or malfunctioned, all I’m looking for is a girl who didn’t sleep with anyone without being married. This is because Allah told me to find a girl like that, other qualities doesn’t matter really” ***  
 
Why would someone marry a person who is dominated by such qualities…for any reason? You have a very bad habit of setting up false premises, do you know that?  
 
2) The word Akhadan with the root KHA DAAL NUN is said to mean: - To befriend, keep company, associate in secrecy or privacy, to converse/talk with.  
 
This definition, (preceded by “la/not”), as with hasadnun, does not exclude human sexual behavior from being the central issue of ayat 4:25, either. How many well intentioned young males and females found themselves in a “secret/private” situation and then fell prey to their hormone resulting in an unwanted pregnancy which resulted in abortion? Think that wasn’t harmful to many of their minds/souls? Go online and read about. The definitions of hasadnun and akhadan and ayat 17:32, without doubt, reinforce each other.  
 
17:32 And do not go near zana (unlawful sexual behavior): surely it is fashah (indecent behavior). And evil is the way.  
 
Let me show how this ayat works. A young man and young female, both unmarried, find themselves alone in one of their homes. They start to kiss, pet and caress. Things get heated and before they know it, boom! they are fully engaged. After a few weeks she finds that she’s pregnant and he doesn’t want the baby or get married. She decides to have an abortion. After the abortion she becomes more and more depressed due to guilt of taking a life. Her boyfriend and her get into an argument as to who is the blame for it all. He loses his temper and strikes her. She falls to the ground, hits her head and dies. He is charged and convicted of manslaughter and given a prison sentence.  
 
You see, ayat 17:32 says..don’t even go NEAR zana and, because they did go near it i.e., meeting secrectly as paramours, they gave up their chastity which eventually took them both onto an evil way.  
 
*** Sexual relations without being married, basically one is perfect if you haven’t committed the horrible one and only crime which is the only criterion to be regarded as a human female.***  
 
Can you please rephrase this. I have no idea what you’re saying here.  
 
***Funny that “abstaining from evil” is synonymous with “abstaining from sex”***  
 
Another false premise. Abstaining is from what Allah has made fashah, munkar, haram. This, certainly, among other things, includes “unlawful” sexual behavior  
 
***Note that there is no other quality needed for a free woman or slave woman, other than being “untouchable” ***  
 
Another false premise. My God, when are you going to stop with this?! Women, as with men, are required to obey all of Allah’s Commands, meaning to keep salaa and zakka, thus, being upright in all of their affairs and not just the one’s concerning sexual behavior.  
 
The following ayats further details salaa:  
 
2:177 It is not righteousness that you turn your faces towards the East and the West, but righteous is the one who believes in Allah, and the Last Day, and the angels and the Book and the prophets, and gives away wealth out of love for Him to the near of kin and the orphans and the needy and the wayfarer and to those who ask and to set slaves free and keeps up solaa and zakaa; and the performers of their promise when they make a promise, and the patient in distress and affliction and in the time of conflict. These are they who are truthful; and these are they who keep their duty/who have taqwa.  
 
6:151-153 Say: Come! I will recite what your Lord has forbidden to you: Associate naught with Him and do good to parents and slay not your children for (fear of) poverty — We provide for you and for them — and draw not nigh to indecencies, open or secret, and kill not the soul which Allah has made sacred except in the course of justice. This He enjoins upon you that you may understand. And approach not the property of the orphan except in the best manner, until he attains his maturity. And give full measure and weight with equity — We impose not on any soul a duty except to the extent of its ability. And when you speak, be just, though it be (against) a relative. And fulfil Allah’s covenant. This He enjoins on you that you may be mindful; And (know) that this is My path, the right one, so follow it, and follow not (other) ways, for they will lead you away from His way. This He enjoins on you that you may keep your duty/taqwa.  
 
Dhulqarnain-  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Comments by: DHULQARNAIN On: 7/8/2011

 
11.Nargis,  
 
If one adopts your position that, nowhere in Al-Quran does Allah address the rightness and wrongness of sexual behavior, then the result of your position is sexual anarchy. Which is basically what we see taking place on the earth today. Given your position then, incest, for example, is not wrong, hence, not a bad/destructive thing, esp, where children are involved. Is this your position?  
 
I don’t know if you have children, but would you want a relative to sexually fondle them or go beyond that?  
 
25:33 And they cannot bring thee a question, but We have brought thee the truth and the best explanation.  
 
Please address this specific concern of incest, as a particular sexual behavior, from a Quranic standpoint. Thanks  
 
Dhulqarnain-  
Comments by: DHULQARNAIN On: 7/9/2011

 
12.Sear Dhulqarnain! To controll anrchy in any descipline of life is the responsibility of state though legislation the rules/laws and their proper execution in the society, keeping in view the banifits of mankind in general.
Comments by: moazzam On: 7/9/2011

 
13.If someone read the Quran with the belief or wish for it to be a book of sexual regulations and behaviours, one will twist everything to suit ones own preconceived ideas of what should or shouldn't be in the Quran. If one is not paying attention to the terminologies, one will not the see the message but only understand it through the translators understanding. Questions related to 4:25 are totally overlooked, Naeem Sheiks question is overlooked, and the terminologies are again twisted to mean only one particular thing. As pointed out many times, the orthodox translations are rejected by us long time ago. However, all the arguments are there, no point in repeating oneself, those who don't want to listen, wont listen.
Comments by: Nargis On: 7/9/2011

 
14.Nargis,  
 
Thank you for your reply, however, you did not answer my question, or perhaps you did, but your position/answer to my question is not clear to me at all.  
 
Here’s the question again.  
 
Is incest, as a particular sexual behavior, allowable or not in Deen Al-Islam?  
 
You can begin by stating:  
 
yes (it is allowable)  
 
or  
 
no (it is not allowable).  
 
Then you can provide the ayat which supports your position.  
 
Please, answer directly, no circuitous/having to guess what you mean, replies, thanks.  
 
Answer this question as if it was put to you by a 12 year old little child who is requesting Qranic proof.  
 
Dhulqarnain-  
Comments by: DHULQARNAIN On: 7/9/2011

 
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