TOPIC: Islam >> Beliefs
Q.Has Human's beautiful (Animal) instincts and natural desires been checked by Divinity ?
By: M.N.Khalid On: 1/8/2011

1.Good question dear Major,  
 
Humans do have basic instincts, major being , hunger , thirst and sex. Unlike animals human behavior  
is not totally controlled by instincts. They have intellectual capacity as well. Naturally this capacity make  
humans a creative creature. Intellectual capacity give them freedom of choice to act and create. Therefore,  
humans have made their life beautiful.  
 
What is divinity? this has been discussed at length. It is human intellect which has made humans capable  
of reaching divinity.  
 
Through knowledge of divinity human beings differentiate between good and evil and do check their  
basic instincts to make their society "JANNAH" Basic instincts need to be channelized to suit their creative  
world.  
 
I think life is divine. Human life is advanced stage of divinity in the world of existence. So divinity doesn't  
check "human beautiful(animal) instincts and natural desires " but human beings themselves do that.  
 
Human beings have learn t language, created their own world and named their conscious energy as  
Allah. Why all religions do not call their concept of divinity as Allah if he reached out to humans? why only  
Muslims? So he has no name to tell us. We give him names according to our understanding.  
 
Divinity is hidden treasure which manifests through all life. It is a mystery and will ever remain so. It is  
through humans that he is perceived/known in this universe. Our knowledge of divinity will ever remain  
relative.  
 
 
Comments by: momin On: 1/8/2011

 
2.Dear Momin excellent one & cue line of your comments: Our knowledge of divinity will ever remain relative.  
 
I agree but if Divinity has to relative then "Ali Sina of Faith Freedom is right, to him divinity is based on nothing but a "Single Principle" & likewise, Bhagwan, God(xian), Yehavee (jews), Almighty, ALLAH & every relative divinity, what ever you name it is correct. Because every religion claim to be revealed from divinity. To me all these ultimate divines are the perceptioniary creation of human being.  
 
Thats why My God is mine & your is yours. My Avitar (Messenger) is mine & yours is yours. Because my "intellect" & perceptioniary believe has created My God & Messenger(s). The result of believe in ones GOD & Messenger results into believers personality, which in term flourish his "JANNAH". The "JANNAH" of west is different from East so this "Hidden Treasure" manifested different shades in human life. for example if person is in conservative Muslim countries then he suppresses his "beautiful (Animal) instincts and natural desires", but when he reached in West, his divine perception change his concept about his desires. He try to change ultimate divinity to support his concept. Why it is so..?  
 
 
Comments by: M.N.Khalid On: 1/8/2011

 
3.Dear Major,  
 
You said, 'but when he reached in West, his divine perception change his concept about his  
desires. He try to change ultimate divinity to support his concept. Why it is so..? "  
 
 
 
 
Being a soldier you must have studied art of warfare. When wars were fought on the horse back, tactics was  
different. Digging was not required to defend yourself by using trenches. When gunpowder was invented tactics  
changed. Invention of machine guns again changed tactics.When enemy has Air superiority what do you do?  
Tactics of nuclear war changed everything totally. Isn't it. Anyway you have to fight war. That is only constant not  
tactics.  
 
Similar is the case of societies, ethics also change with different societies. Ethics of ice age were different.  
After agricultural revolution ethics changed to suit agricultural society. Than came industrial revolution and  
societies again changed. Ethics also changed to suit that culture. Isn't it. Anyway you have to live peacefully.  
That is constant.  
 
Sister Nargis, you are very sharp and wise can you say something. Bob you too, please put me right.
Comments by: momin On: 1/8/2011

 
4.Dear Momin,  
 
You say, "Our knowledge of divinity will ever remain relative."  
 
Would you like to answer my following question,  
 
1. Are their any permanent values for human societies?  
 
2. Truth is relative or absolute? What is your concept?  
 
3. If truth is relative , why should there be any last Prophet?  
 
4. How can humans determine their concept of good and evil?  
 
5. How can AL-KITAB be beyond time and space if truth is relative?  
 
6 How can AL-KITAB with relative truth as you think  
 
+ SCIENCE(permanent laws) be divinity? You can not add them.  
 
Comments by: pervez On: 1/9/2011

 
5.OK Mr Pervez, I'll give you my opinion on your questions:-  
 
1. There cannot be any permanent values for human societies. If there is anything permanent for the human society, it will soon become stagnant and demand the change. Only change is permanent.  
 
2. Truth is always relative. Whatever is known at a given time is absolute truth for that period. e.g. Earth was considered to be flat. Quran also gives the concept of a flat earth. That was absolute truth until it was discovered that the earth is round.  
 
3. As truth is relative, there cannot be any last prophet (even if that prophet is from God). New realities will keep coming to light and new prophets will keep coming. If some Prophet is declared as the last Prophet then it should also be declared that mankind has achieved all knowledge and nothing is left to be discovered until the end of life.  
 
4. The concept of good and evil is also relative. Only good exists. Evil is non-existent; it is the absence of good.  
 
5. No book or knowledge can be beyond time and space. All knowledge is bound within time and space.  
 
6. Even science is relative. Science is also knowledge. As knowledge is relative, science is also relative. e.g. it has been discovered that no law of physics exist in a black hole. There is no time, space, matter or light is a black hole. All that is sucked in the black hole is converted into concentrated energy of a different type. Much different than the energy known by our science.  
 
There is nothing which you can declare absolute divinity. Divinity is also relative. At an earlier stage of conscious life, the concept of divinity was different. Today divinity is different. The divinity has also evolved as other knowledges. God is also created by the humans and it is always relative. All discussions over the subject of religion and divinity helps in the evolution of a better concept of divinity (and God). There is no plus or minus in the concept of God.  
 
Shariq  
Comments by: SS On: 1/9/2011

 
6.  
Dear Shariq,  
 
Thanks for replying my questions. You have been very candid, clear and direct in your expression.  
That speaks of your sincere personality. keep it up. Please allow me to think in my own time before I respond  
to your radical views.
Comments by: pervez On: 1/10/2011

 
7.  
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU BROTHER SHARIQ.
Comments by: momin On: 1/10/2011

 
8.@ MN KHALID  
 
Needs/instincts are divine. But we've got a power which makes us a highly developed genus.That because of our intellect  
 
You may search anywhere on earth, you will discover the natural instinct in man is energetic and undoubtedly covers all the basic necessities. If you're in the jungle, you will feel the hunger and thirst anyone would feel.  
 
We are motivated by these mindsets.  
 
1) To avoid pain  
2) To gain pleasure  
 
These instincts are permanent and they are found in every human being  
 
If we take it as a starting point that humans have the ability to take necessary steps to avoid pain- or to acquire satisfaction, then you will se this endowment is constant and can never be broken.  
 
In some cultures human beings are under-developed; while other cultures have evolved and know the consequences of different systems of beliefs are deadly  
 
For example, there is a tribe in Africa who exercise incest, and believe it to be a divine law. But in the West, we know the fact that consequences of such action are injurious to following generations. When this society has witnessed injuries caused by such actions, they will develop regulations that won’t allow this tribe carries out their “divinity” in this society.  
 
The conclusion is that development is constant, and the truth God has shown us through our ability to learn in order to avoid pain, will lead us the real divinity. It will contribute to development and the development is ,,,constant.  
 
mindset is a collection of thoughts and beliefs which we pay attention to.  
 
Every individual has a mindset whether they’ve consciously chosen it or not. In an unconscious mindset we feel out of control, similar to being in a boat in the middle of a river without any paddles.  
 
When we’ve consciously chosen our mindset we have the oars to reach a destination. Mastering our mindset gives us the power to use our tools to reach our goals.Two core components for holding a mindset are thoughts and moods.  
 
We have the power to master our thinking. When we learn to recognize our computer thinking we see that we have  
recycled these thoughts from our past. Our computer mind stores every experience, observation and reaction that we  
have ever had. When a new situation occurs, our computer mind automatically searches its files to find a eolution.  
 
Because the computer is driven by past data it cannot drive our lives to new outcomes, new dreams or goals.  
 
We also have a transmitter mind that catches the wisdom of the universe. Through this mind we have access to our naturalbrilliance and can chart new courses, find new answers,and go where we’ve never been before. Our natural brilliance expands our viewpoint and creates new possibilities.
Comments by: Nargis2 On: 1/10/2011

 
9.  
Read your enlightening post twice and enjoyed the pleasure of knowledge. I have never tasted a better pleasure  
than a discovery, a new thought which opens new horizons. Yes, sister Nargis, I too feel instincts/needs are divine.  
But may I add that intellect too is divine? Allah says in Quran , "thomma tatafukroo".  
 
Thanks so much. Who says, " AORAT NAKIS-UL-AKEL HOTI HAI"  
 
Comments by: momin On: 1/10/2011

 
10.  
Kia kaha ? NARGIS-UL-AQAL? thats sooooo true haha.  
 
Instincts are there so our intellect can be employed  
 
If we never felt hunger, we would never feel the need to make an effort and work for it.  
 
If we never had a variety of emotions such as love, anger, affection, attraction, hate, irritation, then we wouldn’t have any source of power or motivating force, nor developed different ways to control these feelings.  
 
If we had not felt attracted to the opposite sex we would never produce offspring’s.  
 
((4 years ago I was in Pakistan, and my 20 year old cousin, told me proudly (to amaze me): "I've never looked at a girl” Of course I had to ask him” Then you must be looking at boys, you’re gay?  
 
"He became hysterical and started with the mnemonic: Taubah astaghfar Malik youmedeen inna lillah wainna lilla taubah- suddenly my uncle, his father came home and he asked what’s wrong?  
 
I said:”nothing, your son is a gay, he never looks at girls, not even those who don’t wear hijab and bhurka”))  
 
oops  
 
If we had not had the urge to know, we would not have struggled and made great efforts to explore new spheres  
In other words, instincts, desires, are the engine- and our intellect is the steering wheel to control the engine (to different directions so it reaches its goal.)  
 
The only condition is to follow the traffic signs and the traffic rules  
 
I always keep in mind 14:1--> to lead mankind out of darkness to the light  
 
Object = instinct  
Evolution = intellect  
 
So yes dear Momin, I agree, both are divine :)  
Comments by: Nargis2 On: 1/10/2011

 
11.  
Very true, so beautifully explained. Sister Nargis Allah may bless you with more knowledge and every happines  
in life , that is my heart felt prayer for you. I don't offer Namaz , otherwise I would have prayed in the mosque as  
well. Sorry
Comments by: momin On: 1/10/2011

 
12.Very enlighting conversation. Enjoyed and learned a lot from the wisdom of my sister and brothers.  
Sister Nargis you just nailed it with this  
("We are motivated by these mindsets.  
1) To avoid pain 2) To gain pleasure")  
Greatly enjoyed the conversation.  
We discussed "divine" and other forms of this word (divinity) that riased a question in my mind what we meant by that do we all understanding the same thing. Just wondering.
Comments by: AlAhmer On: 1/10/2011

 
13.Nargis2 commented on 10 January 2011 : Mindset is a collection of thoughts and beliefs which we pay attention to.  
 
M.N.Khalid : Our mindset collect information through our Five senses, which converts these into perceptions:  
• Perception instantly interprets reality to give its meanings to mind.  
• Every one interprets to make sense of perceived reality.  
• He interprets & creates his own version of reality.  
• Being unique we interpret reality differently from others.  
• Accept only own version of reality, not how it exists or how others perceive it.  
• We limits himself  
• We interpret only our version of reality  
• Prejudiced perception often manipulates reality & destroys honest communications  
• We think & act according to distorted reality.  
• Only when we change the way we think .  
• We change the way we act .  
 
Nargis2 commented on 10 January 2011 : The only condition is to follow the traffic signs and the traffic rules.  
 
For example, there is a tribe in Africa who exercise incest, and believe it to be a divine law.  
 
M.N.Khalid : So the traffic rules made by Afriqan’n tribes can not become divine Law.  
 
Shariq S commented on 09 January 2011: . There cannot be any permanent values for human societies.  
 
M.N.Khalid : Another preceptionary definition . If Honesty is a relative term then it will be different between dacoits & SHOPKEEPERS. Therefore every one should have own definition of values to suits them the best.  
 
• We have different Feelings, Emotions, Desires, Hopes, Needs, Likes, Dislikes, Love, Hate, Prejudices, & Interests. We all therefore interpret our perception differently. The basis of our perceptual interpretation is different basing on human desires.  
 
Nargis2 commented on 10 January 2011 : We have the power to master our thinking (thoughts).  
 
M.N.Khalid : Thoughts are finest form of energy & Controlled by laws of energy. They vibrate in frequencies, Hit and bounce back, & once created they must manifest. They repel as well as attract the thoughts of others.  
Thoughts are very creative, create situations & things not existing , They verbal & non-verbal & only 6% of thought are verbally defined. The rest are non-verbal thought are expressed through body language, it create energy, emotions & feelings.  
 
While communicating we send only messages not meanings. Meaning & intentions of sender are interpreted by the receiver according to his preceptionary revelation, which he develops about messages, he receives.  
 
Dear Nargis (Sister in Islam).  
 
• Wrong & confused receptions leads to erratic behavior & actions.  
• Common fads, prejudices & ignorance remain unquestioned.  
• Prejudice destroys honest communications.  
• When falsehood is mixed with truth, truth is destroyed.  
• Falsehood subverts human quality & generates conflict, chaos, lawlessness & terror.  
• Wizards influence to cause both positive & negative thinking.  
• Perception interprets reality through inner emotions & has no access to truth.  
 
Nargis2 commented on 10 January 2011 : We also have a transmitter mind that catches the wisdom of the universe.  
 
M.N.Khalid : Yes The Wisdom of The Universe (Kitaab Allah), EXACTLEY the Truth comes with divine faith , Truth is the source of positive thinking, Possibility of thinking releases capability & causes high self-image & leads to top capability, performance, achievement & success.
Comments by: M.N.Khalid On: 1/10/2011

 
14.During my search, I found undermentioned writing which is given below, it may be of  
some interest to any one of you.  
 
 
 
Who are the Prophets?1  
 
 
 
The motive force in all human development is the coming of the Manifestations or Prophets of God. There can be little disagreement that human history is strongly influenced by the Founders of the world's great religions. The powerful impact on civilization of Jesus Christ, Buddha, Moses, or Muhammad is seen not only in the cultural forms and value systems which arise from Their works and teachings, but is also reflected in the effects that the example of Their lives has on humankind. Even those who have not been believers or followers have nevertheless acknowledged the profound influence of these figures on individuals and on humanity's collective life.  
 
The realization of the extraordinary impact on human history of the Founders of the major religions naturally leads to the philosophical question of their exact nature. This is one of the most controversial of all questions in the philosophy of religion, and many different answers have been given. On the one hand, the religious Founders have been viewed as human philosophers or great thinkers who have perhaps gone further or studied more profoundly than other philosophers of their age. On the other hand, They have been declared to be God or the incarnation of God. There have also been a multitude of theories that fall somewhere between these two extremes.2  
 
 
All of the Manifestations of God have the same metaphysical nature and the same spiritual stature. There is absolute equality among Them. No one of Them is superior to another. Speaking of the Manifestations,  
 
These sanctified Mirrors, these Day Springs of ancient glory, are, one and all, the Exponents on earth of Him Who is the central Orb of the universe, its Essence and ultimate Purpose. From Him proceed their knowledge and power; from Him is derived their sovereignty.... By the revelation of these Gems of Divine virtue all the names and attributes of God, such as knowledge and power, sovereignty and dominion, mercy and wisdom, glory, bounty, and grace, are made manifest.  
 
These attributes of God are not, and have never been, vouchsafed specially unto certain Prophets, and withheld from others.... That a certain attribute of God hath not been outwardly manifested by these Essences of Detachment doth in no wise imply that they who are the Day Springs of God's attributes and the Treasuries of His holy names did not actually possess it.3  
 
The differences which exist between the teachings of the various Manifestations of God are not due to any differences in stature or level of importance, but only to the varying needs and capacities of the civilizations to which They appeared:  
 
These ... mighty systems, have proceeded from one Source, and are the rays of one Light. That they differ one from another is to be attributed to the varying requirements of the ages in which they were promulgated.4  
 
 
 
The doctrine of the oneness of the Manifestations does not mean that the same individual soul is born again in different physical bodies. Moses, Jesus Christ and Muhammad, were all different personalities, separate individual realities. Their oneness lies in the fact that Each manifested and revealed the qualities and attributes of God to the same degree: the spirit of God which dwelled within any one of Them was identical to that which dwelled in the others.  
 
God is likened to the sun because He is the unique source of life in the universe in the same way that the physical sun is the unique source of all physical life on earth. The spirit and attributes of God are the rays of this sun and the individual Manifestation is like a perfect mirror. If there are several mirrors all turned toward the same sun, that unique sun is reflected in each mirror. Yet the individual mirrors are different, each having been made in its own form and distinct from any other.  
 
In the same way, each Manifestation is a distinct individual being, but the spirit and attributes of God reflected in Each are the same.  
 
The Manifestations represent a level of existence intermediate between God and humanity. Just as humans are superior to the animal because they possess capacities that the animal does not (i.e., the rational and intuitive capacities of the nonmaterial soul), so the Manifestations possess capacities which ordinary humans lack. It is not a difference in degree, but rather a difference in kind which distinguishes Them from other. The Manifestations are simply great human thinkers, or philosophers, with a greater understanding or knowledge than others.  
 
The Manifestation has the awareness of His reality and identity even from childhood, though He may not begin His mission of openly teaching and instructing others until later in life. Because They are the direct recipients of revelation from God, the Manifestations possess absolute knowledge of the realities of life. This innate, divinely revealed knowledge alone enables Them to formulate teachings and laws that correspond to human needs and conditions at a given time in history:  
 
Since the Sanctified Realities, the supreme Manifestations of God, surround the essence and qualities of the creatures, transcend and contain existing realities and understand all things, therefore Their knowledge is divine knowledge, and not acquired--that is to say, it is a holy bounty, it is a divine revelation.... the supreme Manifestations of God are aware of the reality of the mysteries of beings. Therefore They establish laws which are suitable and adapted to the state of the world of man, for religion is the essential connection which proceeds from the realities of things.... [T]he supreme Manifestations of God ... understand this essential connection, and by this knowledge establish the Law of God.10  
 
The preceding passage makes clear that God's laws are inherent in the structure of reality: the Manifestation understands these laws, but did not create them.  
 
No one can "become" a Manifestation of God. Each individual soul is capable of being touched by the spirit of God and may therefore make spiritual progress. But the Manifestation remains on an ideal level beyond that which even the most perfect person is capable of attaining.  
 
Extending the mirror analogy, the souls of ordinary people may also be likened to mirrors--but, unlike the Manifestations, they are imperfect. In other words, each human being can reflect something of God's attributes, but only in an imperfect and limited way. For ordinary human beings, spiritual progress implies perfecting, cleansing, and polishing the mirror of the soul so that it may reflect ever more clearly the attributes of God. The analogy emphasizes the belief that humans are created imperfect, but with an endless potential for perfection; whereas the Manifestation is already in a perfected state of being.  
 
There are no levels of being other than the three discussed above: human beings, the Manifestations, and God. There is no hierarchy of demons, angels, and archangels. Insofar as these terms have any significant meaning, they are seen as symbolic of varying stages of human development, imperfection being demonic and spirituality being angelic. The Manifestations are already in a state of perfection, while human beings are potentially perfect in that each soul has the potential to reflect the attributes of its Creator.  
 
Know that the conditions of existence are limited to the conditions of servitude, of prophethood, and of Deity, but the divine and the contingent perfections are unlimited.... As the divine bounties are endless, so human perfections are endless. If it were possible to reach a limit of perfection, then one of the realities of the beings might reach the condition of being independent of God, and the contingent might attain to the condition of the absolute. But for every being there is a point which it cannot overpass ... he who is in the condition of servitude, however far he may progress in gaining limitless perfections, will never reach the condition of Deity.... Peter cannot become Christ. All that he can do is, in the condition of servitude, to attain endless perfections....11  
 
However, because a human being is capable of entering into communion with God and thereby becoming aware of the spirit of God, he or she is also capable of "inspiration.Revelation is that infallible and direct perception of God's creative Word that is accessible only to the Manifestations, Who transmit it to humankind. Inspiration is the indirect and relative perception of spiritual truth which is available to every human soul. It arises out of the context of the spiritual life of a culture influenced by a Manifestation of God. Any human is capable of being inspired by the spirit of God. But the experience of inspiration is available to us because the spirit of God is mediated to us through the Manifestations.  
 
Universally, the Prophets are of two kinds. One are the independent Prophets who are followed; the other kind are not independent, and are themselves followers.  
 
The independent Prophets are the lawgivers and the founders of a new cycle.... Without an intermediary They receive bounty from the Reality of the Divinity, and Their illumination is an essential illumination. They are like the sun which is luminous in itself.... The other Prophets are followers and promoters, for they are branches and not independent; they receive the Bounty of the independent Prophets, and they profit by the light of the Guidance of the universal Prophets. They are like the moon which is not luminous and radiant in itself, but receives its light from the sun.12  
 
Philosophers, reformers, saints, mystics, and founders of humanitarian movements as ordinary people. In many cases they may have been inspired by God. Revelation, however, is the endowment of the Manifestations alone, and it is the ultimate generating force of all human progress.
Comments by: momin On: 1/10/2011

 
15.Salam Dear brother  
 
M.N.Khalid: So the traffic rules made by African tribes can not become divine Law.  
 
ME: You're right, African traffic rules that lead mankind to stagnation and devastation can not be divine.  
Which roads are supposed to be followed when there are no roads? Why follow dead ends?  
 
I agree with 14:1, lead mankind out from darkness to the light  
 
M.N Khalid: While communicating we send only messages not meanings.  
 
ME: I’m sorry I didn’t get that, what is the difference between a message and its meaning? I would never send a message which is not containing a meaning - it’s like calling someone without saying anything. So please explain, how do you send messages without a meaning?  
 
M.N Khalid: Meaning & intentions of sender are interpreted by the receiver according to his precautionary revelation, which he develops about messages, he receives.  
 
ME: The Correspondent is responsible for the message and ensures that its meaning is unmistakably distinct. It’s his responsibility to expresses himself clearly. If the message is unambiguous, the receiver it is intended for would have not problems to decode it -unless he doesn’t want to.  
 
M.N Khalid: Perception interprets reality through inner emotions & has no access to truth.  
 
ME: The truth is something we all have access to whether you’re in the city of New York or the jungle in Africa. Wherever you are in the world the truth is the same, but the method you have picked out to approach the truth can be illuminated and pass judgment on. Divinity is characterized as a universal message, which is impossible to misapprehend. A doctor who treats patients in Africa will use the same medicine to cure the same disease In America. (But it is possible that the medicine is in a different form) That’s divinity- “the truth” will always be “the truth”. It’s not responsible for our methods and intentions.  
 
@ Momin: So glad that you liked my answer, most of the time you point out ke "Nargis hazarou bars roti hai" ha-ha  
Comments by: Nargis On: 1/11/2011

 
16.I wrote: Meaning & intentions of sender are interpreted by the receiver according to his precautionary revelation, which he develops about messages, he receives.  
 
Nargis commented on 11 January 2011: The Correspondent is responsible for the message and ensures that its meaning is unmistakably distinct. It’s his responsibility to expresses himself clearly. If the message is unambiguous, the receiver it is intended for would have not problems to decode it -unless he doesn’t want to.  
 
M.N Khalid: Ah. I i take your statement correct then why Dr.Qamar is interpreting, "ALLAH's Messages" .  
 
NB: Iqbal lied about NARGIS. You will never see Nargis weeping.  
Comments by: M.N.Khalid On: 1/11/2011

 
17.Baiti(cough..cough...) Nargis,  
 
Listen to your sister Nargis , she has sung for you,  
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbwcUsWTy_I
Comments by: momin On: 1/11/2011

 
18.Mr Khalid, I like to understand things with example. So please explain to me "Meaning" & "intention" & "interpreted" and "precautionary revelation" with a example. I will provide you a sentence and you can break it down for me as you stated. Here it is "لا ان يكون احمق حول اللعب مع الكلمات ". Once you do this then justy why Dr Qamar can't interprete Quran and why not.  
Comments by: AlAhmer On: 1/11/2011

 
19.:-D Your question made me smile, thank you :)  
 
""M.N Khalid: Ah. I i take your statement correct then why Dr.Qamar is interpreting, "ALLAH's Messages" ""  
 
ME:  
 
Weeping with a smile for thousand years wali Nargis do not know why Dr Qamar is "interpreting" ALLAH's Messages"", you have to ask him. But can i play Detective Mickey Mouse , and try to guess ?  
 
MAYBE THIS IS WHY "Dr Qamar is "interpreting"ALLAH's Messages""  
 
One day Dr Qamar was elegantly tripping around the town. Beautiful weather, singing birds and a smiling sun, every thing was perfect. Dr Qamar was buzzing on folk songs and walked in the region without a care in the world - where no Nargis hazarou bars tak roti hai. All of a sudden the calm environment is interrupted with some kind of noise; a little child is crying.... He takes a closer look. What he sees is a 9 years old girl is forced to leave the house with a 53 year old man, because her parents just approved her marriage with this man.  
 
Dr Qamar is curious and asked what they were doing and how they could participate in such a “crime”? Parents are looking at each other with the coded “DUUH?” Face expression.  
 
Dr Qamar is standing there like a question mark, he wants to know why when how why when ????  
 
They feel sorry for him, everyone knows about the Hadith blessing, but Dr Q doesn’t. Okay, Okay ,they explains: We are performing sunnah, Allah ho Aqbar mashallah.  
 
Dr Qamar: “”But that can’t be true, how can the Allah’s Rusool do anything like that? It’s not written in Allah’s book, the Quran, guys, stop it.””  
 
 
Parents: So what? Bokhari wrote it, and he understand the Quran more than you and us, he was an imaam, the one who denies it, is a beiman.  
 
Dr Qamar: I want to read that in the Quran myself; I’ll learn Arabic and study these allegations. This is not true, can’t be.  
 
Parents: oooooouu yeaaah, so you are munkare hadith? Are you? Huh? Huh? Tell me are you? Are you trying to say our pyare pyare nabi pak couldn’t do this? Are you trying to say Imam Bokhari gave us beemari? Naozobillah Maazallah  
 
Dr Qamar understands he must read and study for himself, he can’t trust what Bokhari and co has written. It’s not beneficial for the humanity, how can it be authorized by Allah and his Rusool that a child can marry an adult?  
 
Dr Qamar continues his trip in confusion. Next he meets a woman crying in front of her door. He asks her what’s wrong, and she explains: I have just been through halalaa, and I’m ashamed to face my full-grown children and family. My daughters will soon do myasir and mutah, but I don’t like it.  
 
Dr Qamar: Why would you do that in the first place?  
 
Woman: It’s in our religion, I didn’t want to, but our imams and mullah’s said its Allah’s will. I know Allah is happy but I’m not happy, why? I’m so ashamed for not being happy for something Allah has decided for us:-S  
Dr Qamar now decided to make a U-turn and go home. He feels these assertions need further investigation.  
 
He decides to get to the bottom of the matter. He wants to know what the book actually says. He does not care how long it takes, but he is determined to uncover the truth. He will now separate the supplementary salt (hadith myths) from the water (Quran) so he can provide the world unsullied, unpolluted, nourishing, and healthy clear water (the Book and the hikma for humanity).  
 
He plans his module, starting with identifying the fact, what is required from him, what measures are needed and how he can understand this.  
 
When Dr Qamar starts his investigation the first thing he get to know is that all the books written about Rusul and the Quran, are all based on hearsay and the Rusool never confirmed any statement attributed to him and the Quran.  
Nothing is confirmed, 1001 god night bed time stories, and not even one line is confirmed. Nations have based their precious lives on pure guessing games. Wow  
 
Then he becomes aware of how big this duty is, and that it requires hard work, great effort and time. He has to spend many hours for studying and thinking. He then realizes that the book is written in a language other than his mother tongue. Therefore, he must learn the language, linguistics, methods, phrases etc.  
 
This is the first part of a huge work. The book is talking about a state system, and a system normally consisting of an supervisory, a judiciary, various ministries controlling the economy, natural resources, healthcare, education, development, foreign affairs, Internal affairs, social psychology etc, etc.  
 
 
Dr Qamar understands that he needs to concentrate on the linguistic part, and then later, present it to other people who are highly structured in the abovementioned fields. From there to here...  
 
Purification of salt water have started,very soon.. The salt is filtered out danndanndann..And the water is drinkable. Only when the water is clean enough, it can be consumed..dædædædææææ  
 
So unfortunately I do not know why Dr Qamar is interpreting, "ALLAH's Messages" ,this was only a undomesticated rough and wild guess…..  
 
but here im not guessing :  
 
Junoon main to girebaan chaak ho ga- Ke parwana to jall ke khaaq ho ga - Kisi din dekh hi le ga zamana- bara mashoor ho ga yeh fasana :):)  
 
:-D :-D :-D
Comments by: Nargis2 On: 1/12/2011

 
20.  
 
Baiti it is wonderful.
Comments by: momin On: 1/12/2011

 
21.AlAhmer asked on 11 January 2011:  
I will provide you a sentence and you can break it down for me as you stated. Here it is "لا ان يكون احمق حول اللعب مع الكلمات ".  
 
M.N.Khalid: Dear you are mistaken. I am student of "Kitaab ALLAH" not "Kitaab Min Doon ALLAH". Beside I have not read the grammar of your "Quraan". So please accept my apology.  
 
N.B: A suggestion: instead of protecting protecting the message of your messenger, stead fast on the message of Muhammad Al-Rasool ALLAH.  
 
Comments by: M.N.Khalid On: 1/12/2011

 
22.Nargis2 commented on 12 January 2011 that how Dr>Qamar Zaman become litrate Muslim.  
1- He takes a closer look. What he sees is a 9 years old girl is forced to leave the house with a 53 year old man, because her parents just approved her marriage with this man.  
2- I want to read that in the Quran myself; I’ll learn Arabic and study these allegations. This is not true, can’t be.  
3- I have just been through halalaa, and I’m ashamed to face my full-grown children and family. My daughters will soon do myasir and mutah, but I don’t like it.  
4- He wants to know what the book actually says. He does not care how long it takes, but he is determined to uncover the truth.  
 
M.N.K: Good, the people who get birth in incubator, grow old in safe house. They remain away from facts. The fact of life is that a man can marry an adult woman irrespective of age like an old man in West has only 12 year old girl friend, or an old dog can mate a newly grown bitch. You may call it insane practice.  
 
Human being always prefer his first mate equal of his mental & physical age.  
 
So if some one only accept Islam & start interpreting to "Islamaize" Ayaats of ALLAH to fit with his perception in order to negate "Afsanas" & that too for women liberty, I must say he is steering his follower in wrong direction. Oh! I forgot in history every muslim general ran when heard woman's cry.  
 
Nargis2: Junoon main to girebaan chaak ho ga- Ke parwana to jall ke khaaq ho ga - Kisi din dekh hi le ga zamana- bara mashoor ho ga yeh "fasana" :):)  
 
M.N.K: Yes, another Afsana Nigaar (Asateer ul Awaleen), It will also become famous like Afsana's of Mr. Ghulam Ahmed Perwaiz. Why to Islamise history Just become Muslim yourself. Follow Muhammad Al-Rasool ALLAH not RAsool Min Doon ALLAH.  
Comments by: M.N.Khalid On: 1/12/2011

 
23.momin commented on 08 January 2011:  
Being a soldier you must have studied art of warfare. When wars were fought on the horse back, tactics was  
different. Digging was not required to defend yourself by using trenches. When gunpowder was invented tactics  
changed. Invention of machine guns again changed tactics.When enemy has Air superiority what do you do?  
Tactics of nuclear war changed everything totally. Isn't it. Anyway you have to fight war. That is only constant not  
tactics.  
 
Dear : Kitaab Allah is not the book of tactics or military warfare. when it was revealed on the Qalb of Muhammad as Al-Quraan, it began with Arabic from الْحَمْدُ لِلَّهِ رَبِّ الْعَالَمِينَ to مِنَ الْجِنَّةِ وَ النَّاسِ . & no one on planet Earth can change its single word. But ....!
Comments by: M.N.Khalid On: 1/12/2011

 
24.MN Khalid commented on 12th jan  
 
Kitaab Allah is not the book of tactics or military warfare. when it was revealed on the Qalb of Muhammad as Al-Quraan, it began with Arabic from الْحَمْدُ لِلَّهِ رَبِّ الْعَالَمِينَ to مِنَ الْجِنَّةِ وَ النَّاسِ . & no one on planet Earth can change its single word.  
 
Mubashir : Can u prove it ?  
 
M.N.Khalid : M.N.K: Good, the people who get birth in incubator, grow old in safe house. They remain away from facts. The fact of life is that a man can marry an adult woman irrespective of age like an old man in West has only 12 year old girl friend, or an old dog can mate a newly grown bitch. You may call it insane practice.  
 
Mubashir : Your concern is just comparision with west ?  
 
Khalid : Human being always prefer his first mate equal of his mental & physical age.  
 
Mubashir : So 9 year old should prefer what age? .....................53 ?  
 
 
M.N.Khalid : So if some one only accept Islam & start interpreting to "Islamaize" Ayaats of ALLAH to fit with his perception in order to negate "Afsanas" & that too for women liberty, I must say he is steering his follower in wrong direction. Oh! I forgot in history every muslim general ran when heard woman's cry.  
 
Mubashir : What would you do when you see a 9 year cry and you have got power to stop it ?  
 
M.N.K: Yes, another Afsana Nigaar (Asateer ul Awaleen), It will also become famous like Afsana's of Mr. Ghulam Ahmed Perwaiz. Why to Islamise history Just become Muslim yourself. Follow Muhammad Al-Rasool ALLAH not RAsool Min Doon ALLAH.  
 
Mubashir : what do u exactly mean by follow Muhammad Al-Rasool ALLAH ? How ?  
 
Thanks,  
Mubashir Syed
Comments by: Mubashir Syed On: 1/12/2011

 
25.Mubashir : Can u prove it ?  
MNK: A simple litmus test.. Yes you listen it from "Hafiz" of your town, then from a "Hafiz" of Islamabad & then we will listen from Imam-e-Kaabah. If you find a difference just tell me.  
 
Mubashir : Your concern is just comparision with west ?  
MNK: No my concern is man's behaviour with his mate..! A man in west daily "Mut'aah" with different types of women & poor eastern man in 80% case has only one mate.  
 
Mubashir : What would you do when you see a 9 year cry and you have got power to stop it ?  
MNK: Cry for what ... Milk..?  
Well if you are talking about sexual harassment of a muslim female, the man should go under punishment according to the ALLAH's verdict mentioned : 33/57-62  
 
 
 
Mubashir : So 9 year old should prefer what age? .....................53 ?  
MNK: I am not 9 year old nor I am a girl..!  
 
Mubashir : what do u exactly mean by follow Muhammad Al-Rasool ALLAH ? How ?  
MNK: Just follow "Al-Hadees" you will not go wrong.
Comments by: M.N.Khalid On: 1/13/2011

 
26.MNK: A simple litmus test.. Yes you listen it from "Hafiz" of your town, then from a "Hafiz" of Islamabad & then we will listen from Imam-e-Kaabah. If you find a difference just tell me.  
 
Mubashir : When u knew this please explain why u asked this in below link ???  
http://aastana.com/blog/aastanablog.asp?QID=49  
 
MNK: No my concern is man's behaviour with his mate..! A man in west daily "Mut'aah" with different types of women & poor eastern man in 80% case has only one mate.  
 
Mubashir : Ahan…….umm so u envy west coz they can have more sex than u can ? And you want to have some kind of religious formula to acheive the same ?  
 
What are your plans for eastern Women wont u like to compete eastern women with western women ? Or you want women to invent their own formula as u cant comment as ur a man?  
 
MNK: Cry for what ... Milk..?  
Well if you are talking about sexual harassment of a muslim female, the man should go under punishment according to the ALLAH's verdict mentioned : 33/57-62  
 
Mubashir : Oh so u were referring to milk when u said “ Oh! I forgot in history every muslim general ran when heard woman's cry. “  
 
Yes don’t u think marrying a 9 year old with 53 year old is harassment ( including sexual) ?  
 
 
MNK: I am not 9 year old nor I am a girl..!  
 
Mubashir : Oh so to understand 9 year old one has to be 9 year old? …….Interesting!!!  
 
 
MNK: Just follow "Al-Hadees" you will not go wrong  
 
Mubashir : Please feel free to elaborate……..r u feeling shy to say Quran ?  
Comments by: Mubashir Syed On: 1/13/2011

 
27.Mubashir Syed commented on 10 September 2010:  
............................ So its not the same for Quran and previous messages.  
http://aastana.com/blog/aastanablog.asp?QID=49  
 
M.N.Khalid: I asked from you on this statement "Can you prove it?"  
 
Mubashir : Please feel free to elaborate……..r u feeling shy to say Quran ?  
MNK: are you allergic from word "Al-Hadees" ? Why.  
 
It is amazing to me that men describe women's psych, strange phenomena.  
 
Mubashir : Ahan…….umm so u envy west coz they can have more sex than u can ? And you want to have some kind of religious formula to acheive the same ?  
MNK: I have not evolved neither I am on it. as far as this ayat is concern well I can not fulfill its requirement because I can not be a just.  
[4/3]- وَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلاَّ تُقْسِطُواْ فِي الْيَتَامَى فَانكِحُواْ مَا طَابَ لَكُم مِّنَ النِّسَاءِ مَثْنَى وَثُلاَثَ وَرُبَاعَ فَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلاَّ تَعْدِلُواْ فَوَاحِدَةً أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ ذَلِكَ أَدْنَى أَلاَّ تَعُولُواْ
Comments by: M.N.Khalid On: 1/13/2011

 
28.Mubashir Syed commented on 10 September 2010:  
............................ So its not the same for Quran and previous messages.  
http://aastana.com/blog/aastanablog.asp?QID=49  
 
M.N.Khalid: I asked from you on this statement "Can you prove it?"  
 
Mubashir : Hope ur clear with ur concern now? As u already provided proof for Quran. And if u got concerns bout previous message please come out with that as well. Or do u still disagree with that comment ??  
 
Mubashir : Please feel free to elaborate……..r u feeling shy to say Quran ?  
MNK: are you allergic from word "Al-Hadees" ? Why.  
 
Mubashir : Am very much comfortable with that no issues. But someone cant get in ur mind and to know ur perception of Al- Hadees . Are you allergic to use Quran ? why ? Come on open up feel free to elaborate…..not sure wats stopping u !!!  
 
MNK :It is amazing to me that men describe women's psych, strange phenomena.  
Mubashir : Are we referring to different GENDER or Different SPECIES ? So much exploitation without understanding?? Not sure what men will do if they understand.  
 
Mubashir : Ahan…….umm so u envy west coz they can have more sex than u can ? And you want to have some kind of religious formula to acheive the same ?  
MNK: I have not evolved neither I am on it. as far as this ayat is concern well I can not fulfill its requirement because I can not be a just.  
[4/3]- وَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلاَّ تُقْسِطُواْ فِي الْيَتَامَى فَانكِحُواْ مَا طَابَ لَكُم مِّنَ النِّسَاءِ مَثْنَى وَثُلاَثَ وَرُبَاعَ فَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلاَّ تَعْدِلُواْ فَوَاحِدَةً أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ ذَلِكَ أَدْنَى أَلاَّ تَعُولُواْ  
 
Mubashir : If you really here to understand then request you to plz raise a question bout this verse. Lets discuss there keeping another Guideline from Quran for equality. Wat say ?  
 
Note : Good to see ur number of questions reduced from above post....or u ignored those points which made sense or u found them non-sense?
Comments by: Mubashir Syed On: 1/13/2011

 
29.M.N.K  
Good, the people who get birth in incubator grow old in safe house.  
 
ME:  
You meant safe from Bokhari & co’s lies? Nice-Those born in the incubator and do not see the reality presented through B & co are super lucky and saved from the intellectual murder committed by Bokhari and co's hadith collection. I would rather grow old in an incubator -in order to be out of harm's way from Bokhari & Co lies  
 
M.N.K:  
Good, the fact of life is that a man can marry an adult woman irrespective of age  
 
ME:  
What do you mean by an “adult irrespective of age”? Is a 9 year old an “adult irrespective of age” as you’re Imam Bokhari said?  
 
M.N.K:  
Like an old man in West has only 12 year old girl friend, you may call it insane practice.  
 
ME:  
So you think they practice Bokhari & co hadith’s in the West and not in Muslim countries? Btw, an old man who have a 12 year old girl friend in the west, is called a “pedophile” and it’s considered as a mental illness – Although it is measured as an mental sickness, the pedophiles are not considered patients, thus spat at and condemned  
 
M.N.K:  
Or an old dog can mate a newly grown bitch.  
 
ME:  
Like Bokhara and co have taught the Muslim in their bed time stories AKA hadiths?  
 
M.N.K:  
Human being always prefers his first mate equal of his mental & physical age.  
 
ME:  
So you think a 9 year old is a “mate equal of a 53 year old mans mental and physical age” as Bokhari & co’s suggested?  
 
M.N.K  
So if some one only accept Islam & start interpreting to "Islamaize" Ayaats of ALLAH to fit with his perception in order to negate "Afsanas"  
 
ME:  
Just like the Sahih Bokhari and co did with the Quran, made it to a halting disabled patient who cant explain itself without nurse Bokhari’s hadith?  
 
M.N.K  
& that too for women liberty  
 
ME:  
In order to achieve “”women's liberty”, we must follow the Quran and not Bokhari & co’s hadith collection.  
 
M.N.K  
I must say he is steering his follower in wrong direction.  
 
ME:  
Just like your Bokhari and co's bedtime stories aka hadith has done for centuries?  
 
M.N.K  
I forgot in history every muslim general ran when heard woman's cry.  
 
ME:  
ME: He He, you should refresh your memory, if every Muslim general ran when they heard a 9 year old child cry (because she is getting married to an 53 year old) or a woman (forced to do halaala, mutah, myasir) cry, we would never have Majors writing long articles in order to justify their own views to oppress and restrain women, and on top of that, by misusing the Quran.  
 
M.N.K  
Follow Muhammad Al-Rasool ALLAH not Rosuul Min Doon ALLAH.  
 
ME:  
Okay did you mean to say Don Bokhari Rosuul Allah? Or is it a wish?  
 
M.N.K  
It will also become famous like Afsana's of Mr. Ghulam Ahmed Perwaiz.  
 
ME:  
Oh you mean like the jhoote afsaane broadcastd by Bokhari & co?  
Centuries before Parwez arrived, Bokhari and co were busy generating bed time stories for millions of Muslims. They can be presented to you if you want to; but-can you refer to the hadiths written by Dr Qamar and Allama Parwez, where they pushed Muslims to follow regulations and commandments alongside the Quran, but NOT mentioned in the Quran?Like B &co did?  
 
MNK:  
No my concern is man's behavior with his mate..! A man in west daily "Mut'aah" with different types of women & poor eastern man in 80% case has only one mate.  
 
ME:  
Yes you are very unlucky because you can not practice Bokhari & co's traditions in your own country. But I see you tried really hard to brainwash poor uneducated women through your article -  
 
MNK:  
I am not 9 year old nor I am a girl..!  
 
ME  
Who said you are? I guess you’re a 53 year Major who’s jealous of western people who enjoy Bokhari’s Islam  
like you said:- “Like an old man in West has only 12 year old girl friend, or an old dog can mate a newly grown bitch”  
 
M.N.K:  
Are you allergic from word "Al-Hadees”?  
 
Me:  
 
Yes I am allergic to the word AL Bokhari‘s Hadith  
 
M.N.K  
Why?  
 
ME:  
because it’s all a lie  
 
M.N.K  
I have not evolved neither I am on it. As far as this ayat is concern well I can not fulfill its requirement because I can not be a just.  
 
ME:  
Do you think you with be just to a 9 year old, like Bokhari & co’s hadith said?  
 
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RULE ONE: WHEN MULLAHS SPEAK OF WOMEN, THEY CANNOT THINK OF THEM AS MOTHERS, SISTERS AND DAUGHTERS.  
 
RULE TWO: THE ONLY TIME YOU WILL SEE MULLAHS TAKING A UNITED STAND, IT WILL BE BASED ON FALSEHOOD.  
 
- Allama Aslam Jairajpuri (1882-1955)  
Comments by: Nargis2 On: 1/13/2011

 
30.Mubashir Syed commented on 10 September 2010:  
Human beings lost the orginal text of all previous messages but not Quran. They have changed the context of quran by their irrational translations. So its not the same for Quran and previous messages.  
 
M.N.Khalid: Can you prove it?  
 
http://aastana.com/blog/aastanablog.asp?QID=49  
 
-------------------------  
 
M.N.Khalid:  
 
I read some where in history that Hazrat Umer took many years to understand Al_baqra.  
http://aastana.com/blog/aastanablog.asp?QID=49  
 
Can you prove it? Where somewhere?  
 
M.N.Khalid: How can you do it? it was revealed on "Ummies", not well literate people like you.  
 
ME: what is the difference between an ummi 1400 years ago and a literate of today?  
 
Latin is a dead language, would you called a professor whos studying this dead language today, literate? Would you then consider a native speaker of Latin from 1400 years ago, an ummi?  
 
Comments by: Nargis2 On: 1/13/2011

 
31.RULE ONE: WHEN MULLAHS SPEAK OF WOMEN, THEY CANNOT THINK OF THEM AS MOTHERS, SISTERS AND DAUGHTERS.  
 
RULE TWO: THE ONLY TIME YOU WILL SEE MULLAHS TAKING A UNITED STAND, IT WILL BE BASED ON FALSEHOOD.  
 
- Allama Aslam Jairajpuri (1882-1955)  
 
That pretty much sums up their mentality!  
...so I can't help it, please atleast let me call them and their behaviour No.2!!  
 
 
Ummm wese nice to read that comment of yours Mr. MNK ,  
"It is amazing to me that men describe women's psych, strange phenomena. "  
 
So lets hear woman's perpective... if you have allowed any to speak and please not the one who like parrot repeats the lessons bombarded since she was an innocent child coming from men of religion, in order to fit in and be the most pious one- forgetting its their amaal not pleasing their men of religion or society, that matters AND forgetting and (perhaps not even knowing) what Hazarat Maryam stood up for!!  
as far as i know there is non! ohh yea we had a famous Dr hashmi...who got black listed by Canadian authorities!  
Anyone who can htink independently!  
ohh but you can't since women cannot be independent and a degree less than men as per your hadith :)  
 
Comments by: UmeAimon On: 1/13/2011

 
32.When the truth meet sheitan he wil always try to run but he cant run from the truth cause the truth vil follow him even in his death so i m wondering wich conditions Mr. Bhukari and co are in now?
Comments by: Mr xx On: 1/13/2011

 
33.DearAll the Question was:  
Has Human's beautiful (Animal) instincts and natural desires been checked by Divinity ?  
 
But due to extra ordinary surfing new web pages open & open.  
 
To me "Inkaar-e-Hadit is kufr" you may not agree with this of my statement, " What Hadith, Hadees & Al-Hadith, stands for, before we give our opinion lets see this link ?  
 
http://www.dosama.com/alshura/articles/English/al_hadiths-01.htm
Comments by: M.N.Khalid On: 1/13/2011

 
34.Nargis2 commented on 13 January 2011: Who said you are? I guess you’re a 53 year Major who’s jealous of western people who enjoy Bokhari’s Islam  
like you said:- “Like an old man in West has only 12 year old girl friend, or an old dog can mate a newly grown bitch”  
 
MNK: No I am 58 year... neither I am jealous of western people nor I enjoy Bokhari’s Islam. To me ISLAM belong to ALLAH.  
 
read below & link:  
At least one out of five boys and one out of four girls will be abused before they reach the age of 18. The child’s emotional growth will be stifled at the age of the first attack, and the victim will probably not begin to recover until adulthood, if ever.  
 
Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/13941-sexual-abuse-and-incest/#ixzz1Aw8CNMWm
Comments by: M.N.Khalid On: 1/13/2011

 
35.MNK : At least one out of five boys and one out of four girls will be abused before they reach the age of 18. The child’s emotional growth will be stifled at the age of the first attack, and the victim will probably not begin to recover until adulthood, if ever.  
 
Mubashir : What do u think is the solution for this ? Please tell us something which we dont know.....What so ever you have been commenting ( not even openly not sure why!!!!) we have heard that many a times ( from childhood) and when truth started coming to us we analysed with Creators given brain and accepted the best.  
 
What you have been trying to comment so far is what we learned by the age of 1 year and when Family asked to give shahada we indeed raised one finger to confirm at this tender age.......  
 
Note : Will it not be a good idea to agree or disagree with supporting logic comments in a conversation than taking a mode of becoming a illogical Questionnaire ??  
 
Thanks,  
Mubashir Syed.  
Comments by: Mubashir Syed On: 1/13/2011

 
36.Dear Major M.N.KHALID,  
 
The link you have posted above shows that your concept of Hadith is not traditional.  
 
You believe in Quran and not on traditional concept of Hadith. You use the term HADITH for Quran.  
 
Have I understood correctly? kindly confirm.
Comments by: momin On: 1/13/2011

 
37.momin commented on 13 January 2011: " You use the term HADITH for Quran. "  
 
MNK: You are right , because it is ithe only protected, certified & ever living "Saying of Muhammad Al-Rasool ALLAH, which is revealed on to him" . On which he actually practiced in his complete life in true letter & spirit.  
 
[46/9]- قُلْ مَا كُنتُ بِدْعًا مِّنَ الرُّسُلِ وَمَا أَدْرِي مَا يُفْعَلُ بِي وَلَا بِكُمْ إِنْ أَتَّبِعُ إِلَّا مَا يُوحَى إِلَيَّ وَمَا أَنَا إِلَّا نَذِيرٌ مُّبِينٌ  
 
Since May 1993, when I was at Siachen (the coldest battle field) I am holding Al-Kitaab strongly, When I understood the massage.  
الله نزل احسن الحد يث كتابا متشابها مثاني تقشعر منه جلود الذين يخشون ربهم ثم تلين جلودهم وقلوبهم الي ذكر الله ذلك هدي الله يهدي به من يشاء ومن يضلل الله فماله من هاد  
Al-Kitaab- Ch:39 V:23  
Comments by: M.N.Khalid On: 1/14/2011

 
38.Good new brothers and sisters M.N Khalid is Quranist for now on. This is at least one step forward. First to catch up on the last question I asked to Mr Khalid that can he decode the Arabic sentence for me that M.N Khalid bypass but reality is that it was trick question anyways. If he could translated that he could have understand something worthwhile but it’s okay. I am not offended.  
So Quran is the only certified, protected and ever living sayings of Prophet revealed to him per M.N. Khalid. So how do you know it is certified and protected as well ever living? There are many books those are certified and protected in our libraries so that make them ever living. Bible is also certified, protected and ever living.  
Assume I am ordinary person who can’t experience a miracle like many other faithful, what evidence you have or how you will rationalize to me that this book is certified, protected and every living.  
This is serious question not to make fun of you or any other. Like to understand you philosophy and ask questions as you know something that I don’t so it is worthwhile to learn a new perspective.  
Comments by: AlAhmer On: 1/15/2011

 
39.  
MY DEAR MAJOR M.N.Khalid,  
 
I am personally thankful to you for answering my question. You are a Quranist.  
 
What a good news. You may have as many differences with other Quranists as they pleases you, but as  
 
long as you are QURANIST it is of no concern to me at least. I request you to keep helping us in understanding  
 
Quran.
Comments by: momin On: 1/15/2011

 
40.After reading Mr. Khalids retorics answer i have larned that A title or education dosent make a man wise, it is his character and personality and his values in life.  
Nr 1. Howe can mr.Khalid belive in hadits from Qurans when he feel pity on man who cant have a twelve year girl as a girlfriend just because he TIINK that it is a normal affair in the west??  
Nr.2 Mr.Khalid ,A man in west daily "Mut'aah" with different types of women & poor eastern man in 80% case has only one mate.  
And still you belive in Hadiths of Quran ? Who are you trying to fool mr.Smartguy ???.  
Sister Nargis just parked you right where you belong , he he he  
Nr.2. Howe can Mr.Khalid defend that womens are not equal to man and still try to hide behind Hadits of Quran.  
Nr.3 Mr.Major Lid wrote. read below & link:  
At least one out of five boys and one out of four girls will be abused before they reach the age of 18. The child’s emotional growth will be stifled at the age of the first attack, and the victim will probably not begin to recover until adulthood, if ever.  
And What does that have with your pinion that u feel sorry for that 80 % of your countrys man who just have one vife ? when you applied that they where lucky in west because they do mutas often then you change your pantys ?? he he he he  
You can try to hide and spoke your way out but Sister Nargis have rally parked you and your sneaky way of speak. He he he  
And please ANSWER Sister Nargis on all here questions now…  and answer with full referances from Hadiths in Qquran Please mr. Khalid Edge of 58   
Comments by: Mr xx On: 1/15/2011

 
41.Dear Mr. xx  
 
Quran teaches us to educate others with love and in a beautiful way. Major M.N.Khalid has said he is  
 
Quranist so we have no right to doubt him. So what if he differs with us. I am sure he will learn. I myself was a  
 
Mullah and used to make others Mullah. Now you know what I am. My dear it takes time. We should not talk like  
 
"He he he" etc..etc.  
 
Maj Khalid, I apologize for Mr xx. Just ignore him. I INVITE YOU TO KEEP PARTICIPATING , KEEP LEARNING.
Comments by: momin On: 1/15/2011

 
42.Salam MR.momin, i did get a little exited and did a mistake sorry for my behavior mr.Khalid :) bytheway did you know that the best cure for cobra poison is Cobra poison :)  
 
Mr.xx
Comments by: Mr xx On: 1/15/2011

 
43.Dear Mr xx,  
 
I am glad. you are a good person. God bless you brother.
Comments by: pervez On: 1/15/2011

 
44.Dear momin no need to apologize on the behaviour of MR.XX, because fruit is an outcome of tree. I could guess his ancestral tree. Every so called Quranist has such types of people.
Comments by: M.N.Khalid On: 1/15/2011

 
45.Dear M.N. KHALID,  
 
No, I don't expect this from a learned person like you. Let us learn to love each other.  
 
Quranist or no Quranist we are humans, so deserve mutual respect. I love that part of humanity who  
 
have never heard of Quran. But Allah is giving birth to humans everywhere. Doesn't he know that they  
 
will never hear about Quran ? So why can't we tolerate each others view.  
 
You say, "Every so called Quranist has such types of people." May I ask you what is your opinion  
 
about MULLAHS. Do they love each other? Haven't they divided UMMAH in sects who keep cutting  
 
each others through ts and have become curse for the humanity ? I was Mullah, than a Sufi but  
 
ultimately a lover of humanity. Love is the secret of life.  
 
 
SHAIR KI NAWA HO YA MOGHANI KA NAFES HO,  
 
JIS SAY CHAMMAN AFSOORDA HO WO BADAY SABA KIA.  
 
Dear Mr. xx.  
 
Please keep it up. Goal of each one of us is to learn. So what if we differ. Pervez is right.  
 
You are a good person. You took my brotherly advise positively. Thanks so much.  
Comments by: momin On: 1/16/2011

 
46.Dear Momin,  
No, I don't expect this from a learned person like you. Let us learn to love each other.  
 
MNK: Yes if a personal attack is offing then you can accept any sort of resistance. I believe that on inter-net "illiterate can not comment except personal attack". If I commented on you then I will accept comment from you not from your supporters. Love is reciprocal act of human being.  
 
Monin: I love that part of humanity who have never heard of Quran.  
MNK: Well I do not agree with you whatever is your perception you stick to it. But some creation is claiming :  
وَسِيقَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا إِلَى جَهَنَّمَ زُمَرًا حَتَّى إِذَا جَاؤُوهَا فُتِحَتْ أَبْوَابُهَا وَقَالَ لَهُمْ خَزَنَتُهَا أَلَمْ يَأْتِكُمْ رُسُلٌ مِّنكُمْ يَتْلُونَ عَلَيْكُمْ آيَاتِ رَبِّكُمْ وَيُنذِرُونَكُمْ لِقَاءَ يَوْمِكُمْ هَذَا قَالُوا بَلَى وَلَكِنْ حَقَّتْ كَلِمَةُ الْعَذَابِ عَلَى الْكَافِرِينَ  
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The Unbelievers will be led to Hell in crowd: until, when they arrive, there, its gates will be opened. And its keepers will say, "Did not messengers come to you from among yourselves, reciting on to you the Ayaats of your Lord, and warning you of the Meeting of This Day of yours?" The answer will be: "True: but the Decree of Punishment has been proved true against the Unbelievers!"  
 
Momin: Do they love each other? Haven't they divided UMMAH in sects who keep cutting each others through ts and have become curse for the humanity ?  
 
MNK: Yes, I am friend of many they do differ from my concept of understanding "Kitaab ALLAH", but they do accept me as human being. And I am living among them. Beside love is a relative term, increase in hate decreases love.  
Beside of different concept Me & Moazzam are friends.  
 
Comments by: M.N.Khalid On: 1/16/2011

 
47.Mubashir Syed commented on 13 January 2011:  
What do u think is the solution for this ? Please tell us something which we dont know...............................  
............. when truth started coming to us we analysed with Creators given brain and accepted the best.  
 
MNK: Truth from human being or Truth from creator ? Two different things which one you are referring?  
 
Mubashir Syed: What you have been trying to comment so far is what we learned by the age of 1 year and when Family asked to give shahada we indeed raised one finger to confirm at this tender age.......  
 
MNK: Well what you have been "Shahada" I was too .... But what I am trying to comment so far on your threads it is not that for what i was giving :Shahada". Have you ever heard this understanding before ?  
[1/7] صراط الذين (!) انعمت عليهم (2) غير المغضوب عليهم ولا الضالين  
" The path of those (1) to whom you blessed & (2) Other who received your anger & did not go stary".  
Please read this link:  
http://www.dosama.com/alshura/alkitaab/tadubber/tad-001/tad001p018.htm  
 
Mubashir Syed: Will it not be a good idea to agree or disagree with supporting logic comments in a conversation than taking a mode of becoming a illogical Questionnaire ??  
 
MNK: Read my illogical questionnaire for the illogical comments by : Nargis2 On 12 January 2011  
Therefore I followed this verdict.  
وَقَدْ نَزَّلَ عَلَيْكُمْ فِي الْكِتَابِ أَنْ إِذَا سَمِعْتُمْ آيَاتِ اللّهِ يُكْفَرُ بِهَا وَيُسْتَهْزَأُ بِهَا فَلاَ تَقْعُدُواْ مَعَهُمْ حَتَّى يَخُوضُواْ فِي حَدِيثٍ غَيْرِهِ إِنَّكُمْ إِذًا مِّثْلُهُمْ إِنَّ اللّهَ جَامِعُ الْمُنَافِقِينَ وَالْكَافِرِينَ فِي جَهَنَّمَ جَمِيعًا  
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Comments by: M.N.Khalid On: 1/16/2011

 
48.UmeAimon commented on 13 January 2011: RULE ONE: WHEN MULLAHS SPEAK OF WOMEN, THEY CANNOT THINK OF THEM AS MOTHERS, SISTERS AND DAUGHTERS.  
MNK: If you are pointing at me so its wrong & I am not Mullah.  
M.N.Khalid answered on 10 January 2011: Dear Nargis (Sister in Islam).  
M.N.Khalid answered on 19 December 2010: Dear Sister in Islam UmeAimon (I believe its your daughter’s name?)  
 
UmeAimon : Anyone who can htink independently!  
ohh but you can't since women cannot be independent and a degree less than men as per your hadith :)  
 
M.N.Khalid; yes she can not remain in-dependent, from human being inception to this planet Earth & there after too . It is The “DIVINE” law. The Lord of the Universe decided that a woman is not equal to a man. Please search it yourself from the Book of Divinity.  
Comments by: M.N.Khalid On: 1/16/2011

 
49.Dear Major M.N.Khalid,  
 
You wrote,  
 
Monin: I love that part of humanity who have never heard of Quran.  
MNK: Well I do not agree with you whatever is your perception you stick to it. But some creation is claiming :  
وَسِيقَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا إِلَى جَهَنَّمَ زُمَرًا حَتَّى إِذَا جَاؤُوهَا فُتِحَتْ أَبْوَابُهَا وَقَالَ لَهُمْ خَزَنَتُهَا أَلَمْ يَأْتِكُمْ رُسُلٌ مِّنكُمْ يَتْلُونَ عَلَيْكُمْ آيَاتِ رَبِّكُمْ وَيُنذِرُونَكُمْ لِقَاءَ يَوْمِكُمْ هَذَا قَالُوا بَلَى وَلَكِنْ حَقَّتْ كَلِمَةُ الْعَذَابِ عَلَى الْكَافِرِينَ  
[39/71]  
The Unbelievers will be led to Hell in crowd: until, when they arrive, there, its gates will be opened. And its keepers will say, "Did not messengers come to you from among yourselves, reciting on to you the Ayaats of your Lord, and warning you of the Meeting of This Day of yours?" The answer will be: "True: but the Decree of Punishment has been proved true against the Unbelievers!"  
 
 
Dear Major, This is not the answer to my question. You quoted an irrelevant ayat of Quran. It is not applicable to  
what I said.  
 
 
 
 
Dear Momin,  
No, I don't expect this from a learned person like you. Let us learn to love each other.  
 
MNK: Yes if a personal attack is offing then you can accept any sort of resistance. I believe that on inter-net "illiterate can not comment except personal attack". If I commented on you then I will accept comment from you not from your supporters. Love is reciprocal act of human being.  
 
 
MOMIN, Mr.xx realized his mistake but you again reacted, which is not justified. You reacted/resisted  
inappropriately which is prejudice to good order and civilian(now you are civilian) discipline (PAA sec 55)  
Please don't overact and climb KARGIL ?????.Why blame ancestral tree ? Every one is responsible for his  
deeds in accordance with Quran but you blamed his ancestral tree. You should also apologize Mr.xx. Mind  
you he is not my supporter . None on this blog is my supporter nor I need any. I am just a student BUT OLD  
BABA and not a scholar , nor I like religious scholars . I am also reading/analyzing all you wrote on your site.  
But dear happy to see a soldier in this field. Thanks to those who sent you to SIACHIN.  
 
 
Momin: Do they love each other? Haven't they divided UMMAH in sects who keep cutting each others through  
ts and have become curse for the humanity ?  
 
MNK: Yes, I am friend of many they do differ from my concept of understanding "Kitaab ALLAH", but they do  
accept me as human being. And I am living among them. Beside love is a relative term, increase in hate  
decreases love. Beside of different concept Me & Moazzam are friends.  
 
 
 
MOMIN, You can not deny what I said by your subjective approach. What I said is objectively true.  
Sectarianism is curse.How can you deny that ? very strange.  
I AM VERY GLAD BROTHER THAT YOU ARE FRIEND OF MOAZZEM. Although I don't know who is he.  
Comments by: momin On: 1/18/2011

 
50.Comments by: Mr xx On 15 January 2011: Salam MR.momin, i did get a little exited and did a mistake sorry for my behavior mr.Khalid :) bytheway did you know that the best cure for cobra poison is Cobra poison :)  
 
Dear Momin please read above comments from Mr.XX .  
 
Any how pass it.
Comments by: M.N.Khalid On: 1/18/2011

 
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